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George wrote:

<snip>

> I wonder how many their really are? I border on a rural area and VZW
> uses the carrier there for roaming. Even they added digital channels on
> every site and have been deploying additional sites to fill in to the
> point that there is really decent digital coverage there.

In the areas I go through, there is usually digital coverage within the
small towns, but not between them. The most experience I have is for
towns up in the Sierra Nevada, on California highways like 88, 49, 140,
4, and 120. For example, on the major route to Yosemite, 120, you lose
Verizon and AT&T coverage just outside of Oakdale and if you're on CDMA
you start roaming onto Golden State Cellular. Sometimes it's digital,
sometimes it's AMPS. Within Yosemite, but outside Yosemite Valley (which
has digital GSM and CDMA coverage), you usually get only AMPS from
towers outside the park.

Since the rural carriers have indicated that AMPS is not going to be
shut down on February 18th, I'm not concerned about loss of coverage in
the rural areas. However withing AT&T and Verizon areas there are often
large areas with no digital coverage, such as inside parks, on rural
roads (such as the road down to the Pinnacles National Monument). If
they shut off AMPS in those areas, then that'll be the end of any
coverage at all since it'd be economically infeasible to install
sufficient digital coverage.

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:33:23 -0700, "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote:
>Your argument assumes a great many AMPS-capable phones still in use. I don't
>buy that argument, as most people don't use AMPS/CDMA or AMPS/TDMA phones
>anymore (and GAIT never took off). I haven't had one in over two years. And
>quite frankly I've not been all that impressed with the quality of AMPS on
>CDMA/AMPS phones for about 5 years now.

I have a tri-mode phone that's almost 6 years old. I usually have it set
to 'digital only' unless I'm traveling through the Adirondacks or
southern Quebec, which only has AMPS service.

One time, I made an AMPS call connecting to a tower 50 miles away. (I
was on top of a mountain in Hawaii.) CDMA won't work at that distance.

=?UTF-8?B?U01TIOaWr+iSguaWh+KAoiDlpI8=?= <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in news:47740300$0$84234$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

> I think that the government should have something similar to the REA.
> Maybe the RDA (Rural Digitalization Authority) that helps fund digital
> wireless coverage in rural areas where it is otherwise not cost
> effective.
>
>

Why are we so hell bent on installing short range digital when long range
AMPS has worked so good for years in markets where traffic is relatively
low and users are quite satisfied with the results? If it doesn't NEED
fixing, why can't we leave it alone?

Are we going to replace all those irrigation AMPS systems? At whos
expense, the farmers? The government (taxpayers)? The SELLphone
company's? Someone would have to pay.

The AMPS equipment is in place and obviously works quite well for these
rural areas where more power with better antennas works so well. Do we
HAVE to screw it up just to satisfy the city fanbois? No 200mw radios
with shitty, near non-existant antennas, are going to give good service
in dense woods, massive ranches, over long ranges AMPS was made for.
That would be a gross error and an economic disaster for smaller carriers
who ALREADY have the AMPS system running fine. How stupid it is to try
to change it so some teenie bopper's little pink toyphone works without
an AMPS transceiver in it.

We already fucked 'em one time when we destroyed the paging business,
with its great rural coverage with serious power from multiple
transmitters. Why again?


Larry
--
I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12.
My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month.
Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations?

=?UTF-8?B?U01TIOaWr+iSguaWh+KAoiDlpI8=?= <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in news:477400eb$0$84174$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

> Tinman wrote:
>
>> In fact it's just the opposite: most of AMPS will be shut down with
>> only a handful of rural operators--statistically insignificant--that
>> cling to AMPS.
>
> What you don't understand is that those handful of rural operators,
> while insignificant as far as their own subscriber numbers, are
> providing roaming coverage to tens of millions of Verizon and Sprint
> subscribers (and getting revenue from doing so). I don't care that a
> company like Golden State Cellular has only a few hundred thousand
> subscribers, they still provide CDMA and AMPS coverage to me in many
> areas where there is no other coverage at all. GSM users are SOL in
> those areas.
>

And ALL of that problem lays directly on the shoulders of the FCC who
refuse to enforce their own regulations when they hand out a license to
these thieves. There's no enforcement when SELLular lies or simply
refuses to respond to poor coverage issues where it's not particularly
profitable, something ONLY the FCC can force them to do.

Some powerful organization needs to take a very investigative look at the
money flowing up this pyramid from the carriers on the bottom through the
FCC to the damned politicians. The whole thing is corrupt to the core.

Larry
--
I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12.
My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month.
Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations?

Larry wrote:
> =?UTF-8?B?U01TIOaWr+iSguaWh+KAoiDlpI8=?= <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote in news:47740300$0$84234$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
>
>> I think that the government should have something similar to the REA.
>> Maybe the RDA (Rural Digitalization Authority) that helps fund digital
>> wireless coverage in rural areas where it is otherwise not cost
>> effective.
>>
>>
>
> Why are we so hell bent on installing short range digital when long range
> AMPS has worked so good for years in markets where traffic is relatively
> low and users are quite satisfied with the results? If it doesn't NEED
> fixing, why can't we leave it alone?

Part of the reason is that consumers want small handsets. Even though
tri-mode handsets have longer AMPS range than CDMA or GSM range, it's
still a lot shorter range than the old 3 watt AMPS handsets.

> Are we going to replace all those irrigation AMPS systems? At whos
> expense, the farmers? The government (taxpayers)? The SELLphone
> company's? Someone would have to pay.
>
> The AMPS equipment is in place and obviously works quite well for these
> rural areas where more power with better antennas works so well. Do we
> HAVE to screw it up just to satisfy the city fanbois?

No, and AMPS is not going anywhere in the rural areas, it's going to be
around for years or decades. But for those people "just passing through"
it would be useful to have coverage.

Bob Scheurle wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:33:23 -0700, "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote:
>> Your argument assumes a great many AMPS-capable phones still in use. I don't
>> buy that argument, as most people don't use AMPS/CDMA or AMPS/TDMA phones
>> anymore (and GAIT never took off). I haven't had one in over two years. And
>> quite frankly I've not been all that impressed with the quality of AMPS on
>> CDMA/AMPS phones for about 5 years now.
>
> I have a tri-mode phone that's almost 6 years old. I usually have it set
> to 'digital only' unless I'm traveling through the Adirondacks or
> southern Quebec, which only has AMPS service.
>
> One time, I made an AMPS call connecting to a tower 50 miles away. (I
> was on top of a mountain in Hawaii.) CDMA won't work at that distance.

Wait, so you mean to say that you don't plan your travels so that you
are never out of range of digital coverage? You are actually willing to
travel to and through places with only AMPS coverage? You would actually
drive on a road with no digital coverage?

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:00:36 -0800, SMS ???• ?
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>Wait, so you mean to say that you don't plan your travels so that you
>are never out of range of digital coverage? You are actually willing to
>travel to and through places with only AMPS coverage? You would actually
>drive on a road with no digital coverage?

Not only that, but I travel on roads with - gasp! - no coverage at all!

I traveled for 45 years without a cell phone. I think I can manage
without one for a bit, thank you.

--
Bob Scheurle
Visit the NJ-ARP Blog at http://www.nj-arp.org/blog

Bob Scheurle wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:00:36 -0800, SMS ???• ?
> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> Wait, so you mean to say that you don't plan your travels so that you
>> are never out of range of digital coverage? You are actually willing to
>> travel to and through places with only AMPS coverage? You would actually
>> drive on a road with no digital coverage?
>
> Not only that, but I travel on roads with - gasp! - no coverage at all!

Wow, you are brave. I've only found one area with no coverage at all in
the past year, which was the road from Lake Louise up to Jasper.

> I traveled for 45 years without a cell phone. I think I can manage
> without one for a bit, thank you.

I had an idea once where instead of everyone carrying cell phones, and
paying all that money, that someone should just install phones that you
pay to use when you need them. They could be installed at stores,
restaurants, gas stations, etc. You could just insert a token or some
coins and make a call. Maybe someday someone will do something like this
and cell phones will be obsolete.

Pegleg wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:25:19 GMT, Bob Scheurle <njtbob2@X-verizon-X.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Not only that, but I travel on roads with - gasp! - no coverage at all!
>>
>> I traveled for 45 years without a cell phone. I think I can manage
>> without one for a bit, thank you.
>
> Yea, no shit...does that idiot realize there are huge areas of the US
> that don't have any kind of coverage? Are we only suppose to travel
> where there is cell coverage? That would be a pretty damn boring life!

Obviously sarcasm doesn't work well on Usenet.

Pegleg <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in
news:r7dan3hj9htptp2kutllob927v75moquj4@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:25:19 GMT, Bob Scheurle <njtbob2@X-verizon-
X.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Not only that, but I travel on roads with - gasp! - no coverage at
all!
>>
>>I traveled for 45 years without a cell phone. I think I can manage
>>without one for a bit, thank you.
>
> Yea, no shit...does that idiot realize there are huge areas of the
US
> that don't have any kind of coverage? Are we only suppose to
travel
> where there is cell coverage? That would be a pretty damn boring
life!
>

Same offshore. That's why there's Iridium...(c

www.iridium.com

Larry
--
I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12.
My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month.
Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations?

=?UTF-8?B?U01TIOaWr+iSguaWh+KAoiDlpI8=?= <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in news:47753597$0$84203$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

> I had an idea once where instead of everyone carrying cell phones,
and
> paying all that money, that someone should just install phones that
you
> pay to use when you need them. They could be installed at stores,
> restaurants, gas stations, etc. You could just insert a token or
some
> coins and make a call. Maybe someday someone will do something like
this
> and cell phones will be obsolete.
>

I'm looking for a Presidential candidate to vote for that wants to
divert funds away from stupid wars for the bankers to get rich off of
to install WiMax across the country anywhere there's PCS phone
service, then we can work on the countryside. The difference in
price between war and WiMax is about 90:1 and we can use the surplus
to feed starving AMERICANS, for a change, instead of everyone else.

Any FCC licensee who objects would have his license immediately
revoked for 20 years and any govt employee or politician caught
taking a telecom bribe would be hung in effigy in the Rotunda as a
reminder to the rest of them who is actually in control, the folks
paying the bills back home that want WiMax, not War!

"WIMAX NOT WAR" will be our slogan....

Any other voters for that?



Larry
--
I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12.
My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month.
Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations?

Larry wrote:

> I'm looking for a Presidential candidate to vote for that wants to
> divert funds away from stupid wars for the bankers to get rich off of
> to install WiMax across the country anywhere there's PCS phone
> service, then we can work on the countryside.

I think that you'll be looking for a long time for such a candidate.

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:45:05 -0800, SMS ???• ?
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:>>
>
>> Not only that, but I travel on roads with - gasp! - no coverage at all!
>
>Wow, you are brave. I've only found one area with no coverage at all in
>the past year, which was the road from Lake Louise up to Jasper.

I-87 through the Adirondacks has no cell phone coverage. They have
roadside emergency phones every two miles.

Someone died in an accident there about a year ago after they ran off the
road in an area with no cell phone coverage. The car was not visible
from the road. The occupants were injured and unable to leave the car,
so they couldn't walk back to the roadway. It took 32 hours to find
them, and the driver passed away from hypothermia in the meantime.

>I had an idea once where instead of everyone carrying cell phones, and
>paying all that money, that someone should just install phones that you
>pay to use when you need them. They could be installed at stores,
>restaurants, gas stations, etc. You could just insert a token or some
>coins and make a call. Maybe someday someone will do something like this
>and cell phones will be obsolete.

Someone stole your idea. We have phones like that in New Jersey. Some
of them are even placed so you can make calls while sitting in your car.

At 28 Dec 2007 20:48:19 +0000 Bob Scheurle wrote:

> >I had an idea once where instead of everyone carrying cell phones, and
> >paying all that money, that someone should just install phones that you
> >pay to use when you need them. They could be installed at stores,
> >restaurants, gas stations, etc. You could just insert a token or some
> >coins and make a call. Maybe someday someone will do something like this
> >and cell phones will be obsolete.
>
> Someone stole your idea. We have phones like that in New Jersey. Some
> of them are even placed so you can make calls while sitting in your car.


Ironically, the last time I saw someone actually using a payphone, he was
making an international call to his cellphone provider in South Africa to
ask why his phone wasn't roaming here in the US despite their promise to
him that it would! ;-)

SMS 斯蒂文• � wrote:
> I had an idea once where instead of everyone carrying cell phones, and
> paying all that money, that someone should just install phones that you
> pay to use when you need them. They could be installed at stores,
> restaurants, gas stations, etc. You could just insert a token or some
> coins and make a call. Maybe someday someone will do something like this
> and cell phones will be obsolete.

EXCELLENT idea...and they could be all VoIP on Oxford's
nationwide FREE WiFi

SMS 斯蒂文• � wrote:
> Bob Scheurle wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:00:36 -0800, SMS ???• ?
>> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>> Wait, so you mean to say that you don't plan your travels so that you
>>> are never out of range of digital coverage? You are actually willing
>>> to travel to and through places with only AMPS coverage? You would
>>> actually drive on a road with no digital coverage?
>>
>> Not only that, but I travel on roads with - gasp! - no coverage at all!
>
> Wow, you are brave. I've only found one area with no coverage at all in
> the past year, which was the road from Lake Louise up to Jasper.
>
>> I traveled for 45 years without a cell phone. I think I can manage
>> without one for a bit, thank you.
>
> I had an idea once where instead of everyone carrying cell phones, and
> paying all that money, that someone should just install phones that you
> pay to use when you need them. They could be installed at stores,
> restaurants, gas stations, etc. You could just insert a token or some
> coins and make a call. Maybe someday someone will do something like this
> and cell phones will be obsolete.


I usually know sarcasm when I see it, but this has already been done -
and that public phone hanging on the pole or wall is a 'sell' phone.
Cellular backhaul, coin or credit card operated, corded handset,
dedicated phone number. I've seen these solar powered units in many
places across Central America. They also have CC only models which I
have in my vacation homes in Mexico and Costa Rica. There is a red
pre-programmed emergencia button that functions like a free 911 call (in
the U.S.) I don't remember who makes them, but they work well with a
little rooftop yagi antenna, and are considered more reliable than land
lines, assuming that's available. I was on a land line waiting list for
over a year before my first one.

--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'

At 28 Dec 2007 16:26:46 -0600 Jer wrote:
> I was on a land line waiting list for over a year before my first one.


It must be tough to be old enough to have your first phone autographed by
A. G. Bell himself, huh? ;-)

Haven't heard from you here in a little while, Jer, nice to have you back!

SMS ???? ? wrote:
> Obviously sarcasm doesn't work well on Usenet.

Sometimes I think we should offer free batteries for sarcasm detectors. But
those reading the offers, having depleted batteries, wouldn't recognize that
the offer was itself sarcasm, and might find themselves chasing their own
tails in perpetuity, trying to figure out what they just read. Which, if you
think of it, might not be a bad idea.

--
Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali,
Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause
as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.

SMS ???? ? wrote:
> Larry wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for a Presidential candidate to vote for that wants to
>> divert funds away from stupid wars for the bankers to get rich off of
>> to install WiMax across the country anywhere there's PCS phone
>> service, then we can work on the countryside.
>
> I think that you'll be looking for a long time for such a candidate.

Hillary'll do it. She likes spending.

--
Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali,
Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause
as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.

Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 28 Dec 2007 20:48:19 +0000 Bob Scheurle wrote:
>
>>> I had an idea once where instead of everyone carrying cell phones, and
>>> paying all that money, that someone should just install phones that you
>>> pay to use when you need them. They could be installed at stores,
>>> restaurants, gas stations, etc. You could just insert a token or some
>>> coins and make a call. Maybe someday someone will do something like this
>>> and cell phones will be obsolete.
>> Someone stole your idea. We have phones like that in New Jersey. Some
>> of them are even placed so you can make calls while sitting in your car.
>
>
> Ironically, the last time I saw someone actually using a payphone, he was
> making an international call to his cellphone provider in South Africa to
> ask why his phone wasn't roaming here in the US despite their promise to
> him that it would! ;-)

Ironically, it's actually cheaper nowadays to use a prepaid cell phone
than a pay phone for most calls. No long distance charges, but even for
short local calls, you can get prepaid minutes for less than 6¢ each.
There's the initial cost, and a minimum cost per month, but at 35¢ for a
local pay phone call you break even pretty quickly if you use pay phones
a lot.

Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 28 Dec 2007 16:26:46 -0600 Jer wrote:
>> I was on a land line waiting list for over a year before my first one.
>
>
> It must be tough to be old enough to have your first phone autographed by
> A. G. Bell himself, huh? ;-)
>
> Haven't heard from you here in a little while, Jer, nice to have you back!
>
>

I'm doing okay, kinda busy, kinda fun. One of the features of these
sell phones is if you want the emotional impact of slamming the handset
down to abruptly end a call, you can. Not with a measly end button!
See...? kinda fun.

--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'

clifto wrote:
> SMS ???? ? wrote:
>> Larry wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking for a Presidential candidate to vote for that wants to
>>> divert funds away from stupid wars for the bankers to get rich off of
>>> to install WiMax across the country anywhere there's PCS phone
>>> service, then we can work on the countryside.
>> I think that you'll be looking for a long time for such a candidate.
>
> Hillary'll do it. She likes spending.
>

I doubt that anyone running, Democratic or Republican, could spend as
much as Bush has spent. He made Reagan look like a fiscal conservative!

SMS ???? ? wrote:
> clifto wrote:
>> SMS ???? ? wrote:
>>> Larry wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm looking for a Presidential candidate to vote for that wants to
>>>> divert funds away from stupid wars for the bankers to get rich off of
>>>> to install WiMax across the country anywhere there's PCS phone
>>>> service, then we can work on the countryside.
>>> I think that you'll be looking for a long time for such a candidate.
>>
>> Hillary'll do it. She likes spending.
>>
>
> I doubt that anyone running, Democratic or Republican, could spend as
> much as Bush has spent. He made Reagan look like a fiscal conservative!

Say what you like, Hillary already has three quarters of a trillion spent
before even getting into 2008. And that doesn't count the day-to-day
operations of the country, just the Socialist Santa goodies, and only the
ones she's had to reveal to date.

--
Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali,
Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause
as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.

clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in news:dhcg45-2td.ln1@remote.clifto.com:

> Hillary'll do it. She likes spending.
>
>

Remember when Hillary was dead set to make health care available to the
American people, which the Republicans, in cooperation with the Doctor's
Union and Enrichment Company (AMA) squashed.

Notice how you haven't heard her utter a single word about health care
since? Wonder why? Mike Moore pointed the finger at her in his Sicko.
She got $838K in bribes to shut up from the healthcare lobbies.

You'll never hear her talk about it again as long as that kind of money is
rollin' in....as Americans who just can't afford $3200 per injection of
Neulasta, the most valuable liquid on the planet, die.

Don't depend on your HMO, either. They pay doctors big money to deny
claims. ....and don't expect Hillary and the Demopublicans to help,
either. That isn't gonna happen.



Larry
--
I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12.
My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month.
Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations?

Thanks for this post, John. I have been getting many calls in the past week
from concerned customers about this.
Most don't understand that it will only affect old versions of OnStar. Most
ppl don't keep their OnStar subscriptions beyond the initial free 1st yr, so
this isn't a major issue and as it mainly affects analog subscribers (which
will be in vehicles now 5 yrs old mostly and older) most will have traded in
their cars for newer ones w/in 5 yrs anyways. Statically speaking, most that
would hold onto a 5 or 10 yr old car would least likely be paying for
continuance of OnStar coverage as expensive as it is.

--
marx404


"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A13CB7A76EDnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
> =?UTF-8?B?U01TIOaWr+iSguaWh+KAoiDlpI8=?= <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote in news:477400eb$0$84174$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
>
>> Tinman wrote:
>>
>>> In fact it's just the opposite: most of AMPS will be shut down with
>>> only a handful of rural operators--statistically insignificant--that
>>> cling to AMPS.
>>
>> What you don't understand is that those handful of rural operators,
>> while insignificant as far as their own subscriber numbers, are
>> providing roaming coverage to tens of millions of Verizon and Sprint
>> subscribers (and getting revenue from doing so). I don't care that a
>> company like Golden State Cellular has only a few hundred thousand
>> subscribers, they still provide CDMA and AMPS coverage to me in many
>> areas where there is no other coverage at all. GSM users are SOL in
>> those areas.
>>
>
> And ALL of that problem lays directly on the shoulders of the FCC who
> refuse to enforce their own regulations when they hand out a license to
> these thieves. There's no enforcement when SELLular lies or simply
> refuses to respond to poor coverage issues where it's not particularly
> profitable, something ONLY the FCC can force them to do.
>
> Some powerful organization needs to take a very investigative look at the
> money flowing up this pyramid from the carriers on the bottom through the
> FCC to the damned politicians. The whole thing is corrupt to the core.
>
> Larry
> --
> I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12.
> My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month.
> Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations?

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7199659.stm>

Using a mobile phone before going to bed could stop you getting a
decent night's sleep, research suggests.

The study, funded by mobile phone companies, suggests radiation from
the handset can cause insomnia, headaches and confusion.

It may also cut our amount of deep sleep - interfering with the
body's ability to refresh itself.

The study was carried out by Sweden's Karolinska Institute and Wayne
State University in the US.

Funded by the Mobile Manufacturers Forum, the scientists studied 35
men and 36 women aged between 18 and 45.

Some were exposed to radiation equivalent to that received when using
a mobile phone, others were placed in the same conditions, but given
only "sham" exposure.

Those exposed to radiation took longer to enter the first of the
deeper stages of sleep, and spent less time in the deepest one.

The scientists concluded: "The study indicates that during laboratory
exposure to 884 MHz wireless signals components of sleep believed to
be important for recovery from daily wear and tear are adversely
affected."

Researcher Professor Bengt Arnetz said: "The study strongly suggests
that mobile phone use is associated with specific changes in the
areas of the brain responsible for activating and coordinating the
stress system."

Another theory is that radiation may disrupt production of the
hormone melatonin, which controls the body's internal rhythms.

[MORE]

John Navas wrote:
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7199659.stm>
>
> Using a mobile phone before going to bed could stop you getting a
> decent night's sleep, research suggests.
>
> The study, funded by mobile phone companies, suggests radiation from
> the handset can cause insomnia, headaches and confusion.
>
> It may also cut our amount of deep sleep - interfering with the
> body's ability to refresh itself.
>
> The study was carried out by Sweden's Karolinska Institute and Wayne
> State University in the US.
>
> Funded by the Mobile Manufacturers Forum, the scientists studied 35
> men and 36 women aged between 18 and 45.
>
> Some were exposed to radiation equivalent to that received when using
> a mobile phone, others were placed in the same conditions, but given
> only "sham" exposure.
>
> Those exposed to radiation took longer to enter the first of the
> deeper stages of sleep, and spent less time in the deepest one.
>
> The scientists concluded: "The study indicates that during laboratory
> exposure to 884 MHz wireless signals components of sleep believed to
> be important for recovery from daily wear and tear are adversely
> affected."
>
> Researcher Professor Bengt Arnetz said: "The study strongly suggests
> that mobile phone use is associated with specific changes in the
> areas of the brain responsible for activating and coordinating the
> stress system."
>
> Another theory is that radiation may disrupt production of the
> hormone melatonin, which controls the body's internal rhythms.
>
> [MORE]
>


Then I guess we shouldn't leave the cell turned on lying on a bedside
table unless it's wrapped in two layers of tin foil.

--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'

"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7199659.stm>

I can't take an article like that seriously when it gives no quantatative data
whatsoever. Did using phones reduce deep sleep by an hour? 10 minutes? 30
seconds? And sentences such as, "...researchers said they could not rule out
the possibility that long-term [cell phone] use may raise the risk of cancer"
is a rather meaning statement as well, because you could substitude almost
anything for "cell phone" and have some researcher testify to it.
("...reserachers said they could not rule out the possibility that long-term
Usenet use may raise the risk of cancer!")

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 03:53:16 GMT, John Navas
<spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

[snip]

> The scientists concluded: "The study indicates that during laboratory
> exposure to 884 MHz wireless signals components of sleep believed to
> be important for recovery from daily wear and tear are adversely
> affected."

[snip]

So GSM 850 is the culprit. I am safe with my 1900MHz only phone.

John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
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> Funded by the Mobile Manufacturers Forum,

WARNING - The SELLphone industry wants to turn down the transmitter
power output, yet again. It's the ONLY reason for these false flag
ops....to scare them into allowing us to go to 50 milliwatts for more
profits.

One more time, I invite you to boot Google Earth and search for:
Robin Lane, Hamburg, NY 14075
To the west of Robin lane is a field full of antennas for WWKB, formerly
WKBW, a 50,000 watt DIRECTIONAL ARRAY of 3 towers pointing this massive
RF power directly into the houses on Robin Lane.....Fifty THOUSAND
WATTS! I doubt they can even turn off the flourescent lights for all
the induced RF power in the house wires. That's plenty enough to burn
fingers on a chain link fence in those back yards just East of this
massive AM - FM (100KW FM) source.

Did any of the SELLphone industry researchers ask anyone on Robin Lane
if they had trouble sleeping in this 24 hour, 365 day/year massive,
CONTINUOUS RF field? Of course not. If they did they would come to a
conclusion the company couldn't use to reduce the transmitter power for
more profits again....rendering your range even less, of course, than it
is now.

I bet everyone on Robin Lane is asleep, right now, at 2AM ET as the warm
RF field from KB's massive Harris DX-50 solid state blowtorch radiates
through their bodies all night, every night, unlike your SELLphone's
little intermittent pulses to let the system know it's still laying
there, charging we hope.

Bullshit.....more SELLphone bullshit.

I used to sleep quite well, propped up in my chair at the controls of a
5,000 watt directional array with towers on both sides of the building
while playing NBC network to the city....occasionally missing a local
spot...(c; RF in the building burned your fingers if you touched the
wrong metal things. I think it PUT me to sleep! The telephone
technicians refused to fix anything in our basement after getting burned
from the phone wires...hee hee. Three of the antenna counterpoise
cables went over your head in the basement. We hung our coats on them.