HONG KONG (AP) ‹ China Mobile Ltd. is in talks with Apple about bringing
the iPhone to China, but no agreement has been reached yet, the Chinese
company's chief executive said Tuesday.
The companies still need to iron out their differences over revenue
sharing, Wang Jianzhou told reporters on the sidelines of the GSMA
Mobile Asia Congress in the Chinese territory of Macau.
Apple launched its iPhone in the U.S. earlier this year. The Cupertino,
California-based company has plans to launch the device in Asia in 2008
and is in talks with various operators in the region. China Mobile is
China's largest cellphone carrier.
---
Apple has a long history with China, bring the the first laser printers
to the country and first to offer a China OS.
Congrats to Apple for making the world a better place.
Oxford wrote:
> Apple's relentless march into becoming the No. 1 handset maker continues.
>
> Apple is now in talks with China Mobile Ltd.
>
> If this happens it spells the financial end of Nokia quicker than most
> thought.
>
> http://snipurl.com/1tlab
>
> HONG KONG (AP) ‹ China Mobile Ltd. is in talks with Apple about bringing
> the iPhone to China, but no agreement has been reached yet, the Chinese
> company's chief executive said Tuesday.
>
> The companies still need to iron out their differences over revenue
> sharing, Wang Jianzhou told reporters on the sidelines of the GSMA
> Mobile Asia Congress in the Chinese territory of Macau.
>
> Apple launched its iPhone in the U.S. earlier this year. The Cupertino,
> California-based company has plans to launch the device in Asia in 2008
> and is in talks with various operators in the region. China Mobile is
> China's largest cellphone carrier.
>
> ---
>
> Apple has a long history with China, bring the the first laser printers
> to the country and first to offer a China OS.
>
> Congrats to Apple for making the world a better place.
>
> -
answer me this, what does the iPhone have to do with Verizon? Nokia?
T-Mobile?
> HONG KONG (AP)
> China Mobile Ltd. is in talks with Apple about bringing
> the iPhone to China, but no agreement has been reached yet, the Chinese
> company's chief executive said Tuesday.
I'll bet the Chinese will really appreciate how slow the iPhone will be on
their network.
What a joke!
> > HONG KONG (AP)
> > China Mobile Ltd. is in talks with Apple about bringing
> > the iPhone to China, but no agreement has been reached yet, the Chinese
> > company's chief executive said Tuesday.
>
> I'll bet the Chinese will really appreciate how slow the iPhone will be on
> their network.
The iPhone 2.4 times faster than the old 3G standard, so they will be
overjoyed by the advancement.
Apple now sets the rules for cells, so everyone will be happy!
Oxford wrote:
> "M. MacDonald" <mmacdonald@bc.cc.ca.us> wrote:
>
>>> HONG KONG (AP)
>>> China Mobile Ltd. is in talks with Apple about bringing
>>> the iPhone to China, but no agreement has been reached yet, the Chinese
>>> company's chief executive said Tuesday.
>> I'll bet the Chinese will really appreciate how slow the iPhone will be on
>> their network.
>
> The iPhone 2.4 times faster than the old 3G standard, so they will be
> overjoyed by the advancement.
>
> Apple now sets the rules for cells, so everyone will be happy!
>
> -
WTF you smoking? The iPhone runs on 2G, which means its SLOWER than 3G
> > http://snipurl.com/1tlab
> >
> > HONG KONG (AP) Ð China Mobile Ltd. is in talks with Apple about bringing
> > the iPhone to China, but no agreement has been reached yet, the Chinese
> > company's chief executive said Tuesday.
> >
> > The companies still need to iron out their differences over revenue
> > sharing, Wang Jianzhou told reporters on the sidelines of the GSMA
> > Mobile Asia Congress in the Chinese territory of Macau.
> >
> > Apple launched its iPhone in the U.S. earlier this year. The Cupertino,
> > California-based company has plans to launch the device in Asia in 2008
> > and is in talks with various operators in the region. China Mobile is
> > China's largest cellphone carrier.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Apple has a long history with China, bringing the the first laser printers
> > to the country and first to offer a Chinese based OS.
> >
> > Congrats to Apple for making the world a better place.
> >
> > -
> answer me this, what does the iPhone have to do with Verizon? Nokia?
> T-Mobile?
The iPhone is what Verizon is trying to WIN a contract for, Nokia is the
current design embarrassment of all cell phones and needs to learn how
Apple has set the standard which all smartphones are now judged.
And T-Mobile is the iPhone carrier for Germany. They wished they had won
the American contract but weren't up to the quality level Apple requires.
Orange is up next in France, so expect plenty of iPhone developments
there.
I think you might not realize, but the iPhone will entirely change the
cell phone industry. Nobody has a cell phone as advanced as the iPhone
and can't for 17 years because of the 200+ patents on the iPhone.
So join in the FUN, or live a life of poor quality phones for the next
17 years.
Oxford wrote:
> Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote:
>
>>> http://snipurl.com/1tlab
>>>
>>> HONG KONG (AP) Ð China Mobile Ltd. is in talks with Apple about bringing
>>> the iPhone to China, but no agreement has been reached yet, the Chinese
>>> company's chief executive said Tuesday.
>>>
>>> The companies still need to iron out their differences over revenue
>>> sharing, Wang Jianzhou told reporters on the sidelines of the GSMA
>>> Mobile Asia Congress in the Chinese territory of Macau.
>>>
>>> Apple launched its iPhone in the U.S. earlier this year. The Cupertino,
>>> California-based company has plans to launch the device in Asia in 2008
>>> and is in talks with various operators in the region. China Mobile is
>>> China's largest cellphone carrier.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Apple has a long history with China, bringing the the first laser printers
>>> to the country and first to offer a Chinese based OS.
>>>
>>> Congrats to Apple for making the world a better place.
>>>
>>> -
>> answer me this, what does the iPhone have to do with Verizon? Nokia?
>> T-Mobile?
>
> The iPhone is what Verizon is trying to WIN a contract for, Nokia is the
> current design embarrassment of all cell phones and needs to learn how
> Apple has set the standard which all smartphones are now judged.
>
> And T-Mobile is the iPhone carrier for Germany. They wished they had won
> the American contract but weren't up to the quality level Apple requires.
>
> Orange is up next in France, so expect plenty of iPhone developments
> there.
>
> I think you might not realize, but the iPhone will entirely change the
> cell phone industry. Nobody has a cell phone as advanced as the iPhone
> and can't for 17 years because of the 200+ patents on the iPhone.
>
> So join in the FUN, or live a life of poor quality phones for the next
> 17 years.
>
> The multi-touch party stars here:
>
> http://www.iphone.com/
>
> -
Actually no, Apple went to Verizon FIRST for a contract, but Verizon
wanted to put its own Operating System on it, which Apple didn't like.
Apple then broke off deals with Verizon and went with AT&T
If people in the Nokia group wanted to know about the iphone, they would
look at the iphone and att groups, not deal with your SPAM.
And you are correct about T-Mobile, but still, it has nothing to do with
Verizon and Nokia
In news:fhd2jl$oi6$2@registered.motzarella.org,
Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net>spewed forth:
> Oxford wrote:
>> Apple's relentless march into becoming the No. 1 handset maker
>> -
> answer me this, what does the iPhone have to do with Verizon? Nokia?
> T-Mobile?
Answer me this, why do you idiots continue to reply to this asswipe troll?
If everyone would KF him and stop responding, the fuckwit would go away.
**
It's best not to argue with an idiot.
They'll slap ya down to their level then beat ya with experience
On Nov 13, 4:12 pm, Jon <J...@Cebridge.net> wrote:
> Oxford wrote:
> > "M. MacDonald" <mmacdon...@bc.cc.ca.us> wrote:
>
> >>> HONG KONG (AP)
> >>> China Mobile Ltd. is in talks with Apple about bringing
> >>> the iPhone to China, but no agreement has been reached yet, the Chinese
> >>> company's chief executive said Tuesday.
> >> I'll bet the Chinese will really appreciate how slow the iPhone will be on
> >> their network.
>
> > The iPhone 2.4 times faster than the old 3G standard, so they will be
> > overjoyed by the advancement.
>
> > Apple now sets the rules for cells, so everyone will be happy!
>
> > -
>
> WTF you smoking? The iPhone runs on 2G, which means its SLOWER than 3G
Oxford is just spouting his regular Wi-Fi... you see, in the high
tech, socialist, hippie commune where Oxford lives, there is wifi
abound. What he fails to realize is that wifi is merely a network
connection, and the speed at which you connect to the internet relies
entirely on the connection at the other end of the router. So if your
local coffee shop has a shitty high latency satellite connection, it
doesn't really matter how fast the wifi is.
Last weekend I was staying in a hotel which had free wifi, of course
the network connection was fast, but their internet connection sucked,
it obviously didn't have the bandwidth for all the hotel guest that
were using it. Lucky for me, I just popped my Verizon 3G nationwide
broadband card in my MBP and was actually able to play World of
Warcraft with ping times less than 200ms.
Good Wifi is nice when you can get it.. but for the other 98% of my
time, Verizon 3G is a godsent.
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, jerryeveretts wrote:
> Oxford is just spouting his regular Wi-Fi...
What makes it particularly ironic is that if he really uses Wi-Fi more
than cellular, he can get a much better user experience with a Nokia N800.
The Nokia's 800x480 screen may be somewhat short of "the full Internet" of
a laptop with 1024x780 or better, but it's more than twice as good as the
pathetic 320x480 in iPhone.
Nokia even gives you a Skype card good for 3 months of unlimited free
calls in the USA and Canada.
Of course, that doesn't help when there is no Wi-Fi, or the Wi-Fi sucks,
or it's a technical conference where thousands of people are using the
Wi-Fi simultaneously. For that, you have mobile phones; and that is when
having a Verizon 3G phone really shines.
And, since the Nokia N800 talks to any Bluetooth capable mobile phone on
any network, it too can access the Internet via Verizon's 3G network.
Meanwhile, the iPhone geeks are stuck with the local broken Wi-Fi or
AT&T's pathetic 2G network on their little tiny screens. They're not
allowed to use other networks.
> Last weekend I was staying in a hotel which had free wifi, of course
> the network connection was fast, but their internet connection sucked,
> it obviously didn't have the bandwidth for all the hotel guest that
> were using it.
Since when is that NOT the case with hotel Wi-Fi?
-- Mark --
http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
> Actually no, Apple went to Verizon FIRST for a contract, but Verizon
> wanted to put its own Operating System on it, which Apple didn't like.
> Apple then broke off deals with Verizon and went with AT&T
Well, no. Verizon had no chance to put their OS on it, that wouldn't
make any sense. What Verizon screwed up on is that Apple demanded a cut
of each month's "scam" from the cell user. Verizon didn't understand the
impact the iPhone would have so they have been shrinking ever since.
> If people in the Nokia group wanted to know about the iphone, they would
> look at the iphone and att groups, not deal with your SPAM.
But Nokia has very little experience with high quality consumer devices.
Apple does so Nokia is under the gun to either give up or create a
iPhone clone like MS had to do with Windows. There are no other choices
at this point in the game.
> And you are correct about T-Mobile, but still, it has nothing to do with
> Verizon and Nokia
> >>> HONG KONG (AP)
> >>> China Mobile Ltd. is in talks with Apple about bringing
> >>> the iPhone to China, but no agreement has been reached yet, the Chinese
> >>> company's chief executive said Tuesday.
> >> I'll bet the Chinese will really appreciate how slow the iPhone will be on
> >> their network.
> >
> > The iPhone 2.4 times faster than the old 3G standard, so they will be
> > overjoyed by the advancement.
> >
> > Apple now sets the rules for cells, so everyone will be happy!
> >
> > -
> WTF you smoking? The iPhone runs on 2G, which means its SLOWER than 3G
No. It mainly runs on 802.11g which is far faster than 3G, the fall back
is 2.5G. 3G isn't used in the States except for around 5% of the market.
Most people will use the normal 802.11g speed, not get stuck with slower
3G so the concept of 3G is moot.
Oxford wrote:
> Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote:
>
>>>>> HONG KONG (AP)
>>>>> China Mobile Ltd. is in talks with Apple about bringing
>>>>> the iPhone to China, but no agreement has been reached yet, the Chinese
>>>>> company's chief executive said Tuesday.
>>>> I'll bet the Chinese will really appreciate how slow the iPhone will be on
>>>> their network.
>>> The iPhone 2.4 times faster than the old 3G standard, so they will be
>>> overjoyed by the advancement.
>>>
>>> Apple now sets the rules for cells, so everyone will be happy!
>>>
>>> -
>> WTF you smoking? The iPhone runs on 2G, which means its SLOWER than 3G
>
> No. It mainly runs on 802.11g which is far faster than 3G, the fall back
> is 2.5G. 3G isn't used in the States except for around 5% of the market.
>
> Most people will use the normal 802.11g speed, not get stuck with slower
> 3G so the concept of 3G is moot.
The 802.11 is if there is a Wifi connection, and almost all the time
there will not be.
Hell, if you are on a bus or in a car, you cannot maintain a wifi
connection, as wifi does not transmit far.
And if the iPhone is advanced as you say it is, why not make it 3G? I
mean, it is so much better to have faster connections than slower 2.5G
connections.
And its only 5% of the market in the states because its a new technology
which just came out. You are boosting that the iPhone is a new and
great device, yet it does not even have the lastest technology built
into it.
Oxford wrote:
> Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote:
>
>> Actually no, Apple went to Verizon FIRST for a contract, but Verizon
>> wanted to put its own Operating System on it, which Apple didn't like.
>> Apple then broke off deals with Verizon and went with AT&T
>
> Well, no. Verizon had no chance to put their OS on it, that wouldn't
> make any sense. What Verizon screwed up on is that Apple demanded a cut
> of each month's "scam" from the cell user. Verizon didn't understand the
> impact the iPhone would have so they have been shrinking ever since.
>
Well, yes. If you had any knowledge of the iPhone, you would know that
Apple went to verizon (because it has the fastest data network
available) first to discuss contracts. The fact that verizon wanted to
put its own OS on the iPhone forced Apple to call it quits with verizon
and choose ATT (which has a slower data connection) instead.
>> If people in the Nokia group wanted to know about the iphone, they would
>> look at the iphone and att groups, not deal with your SPAM.
>
> But Nokia has very little experience with high quality consumer devices.
> Apple does so Nokia is under the gun to either give up or create a
> iPhone clone like MS had to do with Windows. There are no other choices
> at this point in the game.
But it am 99.999999% sure that the people in the Nokia group don't want
to see your spam on their group.
How would you feel if someone from the nokia group posted on the iphone
group how great nokia products are (and they, by far, offer much more
than the iPhone ever will)
>
>> And you are correct about T-Mobile, but still, it has nothing to do with
>> Verizon and Nokia
>
> Yes.
Oxford wrote:
>> WTF you smoking? The iPhone runs on 2G, which means its SLOWER than 3G
>
> No. It mainly runs on 802.11g which is far faster than 3G, the fall back
> is 2.5G. 3G isn't used in the States except for around 5% of the market.
>
> Most people will use the normal 802.11g speed, not get stuck with slower
> 3G so the concept of 3G is moot.
802.11anything is NOT the same as 3G...no need to even begin to make
comparisons.
No comparison of any open 802.11anything to any cellular data service.
At 13 Nov 2007 19:01:32 -0700 Oxford wrote:
> Verizon didn't understand the
> impact the iPhone would have so they have been shrinking ever since.
Yep. Shrinking to the tune of 1.6 million new customers last quarter-
almost as many as AT&T's 2 million. The majority of iPhones sold were
sold to existing AT&T customers.
> > Most people will use the normal 802.11g speed, not get stuck with slower
> > 3G so the concept of 3G is moot.
>
> 802.11anything is NOT the same as 3G...no need to even begin to make
> comparisons.
except 90% of your waking life you are within range of the faster 802.11
service. 3G is only good if you are on the road or in some remote area.
> No comparison of any open 802.11 anything to any cellular data service.
actually, it's a very clear comparison. 3G doesn't hold a candle to
normal 802.11 service. Nobody would use 3G unless they have to. so yes,
of 10% of our life if you live in 35 cities, 3G can make some sense. but
90% of your life and 95% of the places people live... 3G makes no
difference.
they will click on "auto connect" to 802.11 with their iPhone. Anything
"G" is just a fallback or desperate / break glass in case of emergency
type of connection.
the computer industry is clearly ahead of the cell world in this area.
In article <fhdm40$508$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote:
> >> WTF you smoking? The iPhone runs on 2G, which means its SLOWER than 3G
> >
> > No. It mainly runs on 802.11g which is far faster than 3G, the fall back
> > is 2.5G. 3G isn't used in the States except for around 5% of the market.
> >
> > Most people will use the normal 802.11g speed, not get stuck with slower
> > 3G so the concept of 3G is moot.
> The 802.11 is if there is a Wifi connection, and almost all the time
> there will not be.
what? only if you live in a poor area. here... there is open wireless
everywhere, i see you use windows so that typically means you are poorly
educated, thus live in a poor area. but if you move to a better area
you'll see plenty of open wifi.
> Hell, if you are on a bus or in a car, you cannot maintain a wifi
> connection, as wifi does not transmit far.
and we are not talking about that, we are talking about where you spend
90% of your time, in which you have full access to wifi.
> And if the iPhone is advanced as you say it is, why not make it 3G? I
> mean, it is so much better to have faster connections than slower 2.5G
> connections.
guess you weren't around when it was discovered that 3G "halves" your
battery life, makes your phone nearly twice as thick and has no coverage
except in 35 cities. 3G very well may happen, but SJ hasn't approved of
it as yet, so it's not going to be a broad standard until that happens.
> And its only 5% of the market in the states because its a new technology
> which just came out. You are boosting that the iPhone is a new and
> great device, yet it does not even have the lastest technology built
> into it.
well, there is a wireless spectrum sale coming up, and apple & google
have been rumored to be bidders on it. if that happens... 3G dies a
terrible death. 3G isn't ready for prime time unless you sacrifice. not
something apple or their users are willing to do.
On Nov 13, 2:26Â*pm, Oxford <colaloves...@supersmart.com> wrote:
> Apple's relentless march into becoming the No. 1 handset maker continues.
>
> Apple is now in talks with China Mobile Ltd.
>
> If this happens it spells the financial end of Nokia quicker than most
> thought.
>
> http://snipurl.com/1tlab
>
> HONG KONG (AP) ‹ China Mobile Ltd. is in talks with Apple about bringing
> the iPhone to China, but no agreement has been reached yet, the Chinese
> company's chief executive said Tuesday.
>
> The companies still need to iron out their differences over revenue
> sharing, Wang Jianzhou told reporters on the sidelines of the GSMA
> Mobile Asia Congress in the Chinese territory of Macau.
>
> Apple launched its iPhone in the U.S. earlier this year. The Cupertino,
> California-based company has plans to launch the device in Asia in 2008
> and is in talks with various operators in the region. China Mobile is
> China's largest cellphone carrier.
>
> ---
>
> Apple has a long history with China, bring the the first laser printers
> to the country and first to offer a China OS.
>
> Congrats to Apple for making the world a better place.
>
> -
Apple barely exists in China, either commercially or in term of
pirated software. A lot of people don't even realize that Mac has a
completely different OS from what average Chinese would expect on a
personal computer, somebody actually asked me what kind of windows Mac
has. (windows is the only game in town, Linux got a of fuss and medium
level of government support, but in reality, just like OS X, it's
barely qualified as a blip on the radar, piracy is so wide spread that
nothing can compete with windows ecosystem) Anyway, hacked Iphone has
already appeared on TaoBao, China's most popular auction site, and
quite some Chinese student/scholar/ got requests here in the US from
their friends and relatives to buy a Iphone for them. But I seriously
doubt Iphone would be much more than a toy for high-end users.( You
think American carriers are money-sucking vampires? Go to China and
try China Mobile and China Unicom. You will know who is REALLY the
vampire)
> except 90% of your waking life you are within range of the faster
> 802.11 service.
....and within range of your computer, lessenig the need to surf the web,
check e-mail, get directions or download music on a phone. (Did I cover
the only things a connecte iPhone can do?)
> 3G is only good if you are on the road or in some remote area.
Precisely the places you'll us your phone- when your PC isn't available.
> Apple barely exists in China, either commercially or in term of
> pirated software. A lot of people don't even realize that Mac has a
> completely different OS from what average Chinese would expect on a
> personal computer, somebody actually asked me what kind of windows Mac
> has. (windows is the only game in town, Linux got a of fuss and medium
> level of government support, but in reality, just like OS X, it's
> barely qualified as a blip on the radar, piracy is so wide spread that
> nothing can compete with windows ecosystem) Anyway, hacked Iphone has
> already appeared on TaoBao, China's most popular auction site, and
> quite some Chinese student/scholar/ got requests here in the US from
> their friends and relatives to buy a Iphone for them. But I seriously
> doubt Iphone would be much more than a toy for high-end users.( You
> think American carriers are money-sucking vampires? Go to China and
> try China Mobile and China Unicom. You will know who is REALLY the
> vampire)
yes, on the low end, but there are plenty of macs in china for
publishing, video, tv broadcasting, photography, on and on.
then you have the mass popularity of the ipod in china and it's quite a
healthy market for apple.
> At 13 Nov 2007 19:01:32 -0700 Oxford wrote:
> > Verizon didn't understand the
> > impact the iPhone would have so they have been shrinking ever since.
>
> Yep. Shrinking to the tune of 1.6 million new customers last quarter-
> almost as many as AT&T's 2 million. The majority of iPhones sold were
> sold to existing AT&T customers.
so they shrunk by 400,000? ouch. the iPhone is eating them up.
and actually 2/3rds of iphone users are new to AT&T.
"Oxford" <colalovesosx@supersmart.com> wrote in message
news:colalovesosx-DB2E0B.14175813112007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net...
> Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote:
>
>> > http://snipurl.com/1tlab
>> >
>> > HONG KONG (AP) Ð China Mobile Ltd. is in talks with Apple about
>> > bringing
>> > the iPhone to China, but no agreement has been reached yet, the Chinese
>> > company's chief executive said Tuesday.
>> >
>> > The companies still need to iron out their differences over revenue
>> > sharing, Wang Jianzhou told reporters on the sidelines of the GSMA
>> > Mobile Asia Congress in the Chinese territory of Macau.
>> >
>> > Apple launched its iPhone in the U.S. earlier this year. The Cupertino,
>> > California-based company has plans to launch the device in Asia in 2008
>> > and is in talks with various operators in the region. China Mobile is
>> > China's largest cellphone carrier.
>> >
>> > ---
>> >
>> > Apple has a long history with China, bringing the the first laser
>> > printers
>> > to the country and first to offer a Chinese based OS.
>> >
>> > Congrats to Apple for making the world a better place.
>> >
>> > -
>> answer me this, what does the iPhone have to do with Verizon? Nokia?
>> T-Mobile?
>
> The iPhone is what Verizon is trying to WIN a contract for, Nokia is the
> current design embarrassment of all cell phones and needs to learn how
> Apple has set the standard which all smartphones are now judged.
>
> And T-Mobile is the iPhone carrier for Germany. They wished they had won
> the American contract but weren't up to the quality level Apple requires.
>
> Orange is up next in France, so expect plenty of iPhone developments
> there.
>
> I think you might not realize, but the iPhone will entirely change the
> cell phone industry. Nobody has a cell phone as advanced as the iPhone
> and can't for 17 years because of the 200+ patents on the iPhone.
>
> So join in the FUN, or live a life of poor quality phones for the next
> 17 years.
>
> The multi-touch party stars here:
>
> http://www.iphone.com/
>
In what ways, with the exception of the user interface, is the iPhone more
advanced?
Would it be the iPhone's lack of Video calling, lack of HSDPA data or would
it be its inability to record video via its feeble camera?
>> The multi-touch party stars here:
>>
>> http://www.iphone.com/
>>
> In what ways, with the exception of the user interface, is the iPhone more
> advanced?
With the exception of the user interface? Why?
--
The answer to the water shortage is to dilute it.
> > except 90% of your waking life you are within range of the faster
> > 802.11 service.
>
> ...and within range of your computer, lessenig the need to surf the web,
> check e-mail, get directions or download music on a phone. (Did I cover
> the only things a connecte iPhone can do?)
you missed about 30 other things, but don't let that bother you.
> > 3G is only good if you are on the road or in some remote area.
>
> Precisely the places you'll us your phone- when your PC isn't available.
but you always have your PC with you anyway. or at least I do. I know
I'm a more advanced user that most, but still... the need to have 3G in
Africa doesn't really matter to me. In any metro area, open wireless is
everywhere... and the iPhone auto / real time shows the open networks
and joins them, so being on the slower 3G network is of little
importance.
> What makes it particularly ironic is that if he really uses Wi-Fi more
> than cellular, he can get a much better user experience with a Nokia N800.
> The Nokia's 800x480 screen may be somewhat short of "the full Internet" of
> a laptop with 1024x780 or better, but it's more than twice as good as the
> pathetic 320x480 in iPhone.
can't think of the last time i need to use cells for data, what would be
the point mark? using normal 802.11 is much faster.
but the Nokia screen is very poor at resolution, 800x480 doesn't mean
much if the screen is fuzzy, of poor quality. The iPhone far and away is
clearer than the Nokia at any resolution. It's all to do with Apple uses
better screens and has more control over those screens. Nokia doesn't
have any experience with video screens.
> Nokia even gives you a Skype card good for 3 months of unlimited free
> calls in the USA and Canada.
Yes, and you can use Skype with the iPhone, big deal.
> Of course, that doesn't help when there is no Wi-Fi, or the Wi-Fi sucks,
> or it's a technical conference where thousands of people are using the
> Wi-Fi simultaneously. For that, you have mobile phones; and that is when
> having a Verizon 3G phone really shines.
But not having WiFi is very rare. Just curious to you live in
Washington, a kinda "backwater technological" State? If so, now we know
why you get confused. Move to a more modern area and you'll see what I'm
talking about.
> And, since the Nokia N800 talks to any Bluetooth capable mobile phone on
> any network, it too can access the Internet via Verizon's 3G network.
>
> Meanwhile, the iPhone geeks are stuck with the local broken Wi-Fi or
> AT&T's pathetic 2G network on their little tiny screens. They're not
> allowed to use other networks.
The iPhone screen is bigger than most any Nokia, it's the biggest
screen'd small phone you can buy. What is broken WiFi? You mean symbian
WiFi or Windows WiFi. On OSX, WiFi works great.
> > Last weekend I was staying in a hotel which had free wifi, of course
> > the network connection was fast, but their internet connection sucked,
> > it obviously didn't have the bandwidth for all the hotel guest that
> > were using it.
>
> Since when is that NOT the case with hotel Wi-Fi?
Since forever, Jerry didn't know how to setup his wifi or was using a
windows machine. Macs wouldn't have that problem since they set all the
standards for wifi in the first place.
Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in
news:C3609F61.9945E%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com:
> "John Mason" <shjasa@asjaksj.com> stated in post
> 13jmk60g597oh0c@corp.supernews.com on 11/14/07 12:46 PM:
>
>>> The multi-touch party stars here:
>>>
>>> http://www.iphone.com/
>>>
>> In what ways, with the exception of the user interface, is the iPhone
>> more advanced?
>
> With the exception of the user interface? Why?
>
>
Because that function alone does not represent advanced cellular
functionality.
>
> but you always have your PC with you anyway. or at least I do.
Which shows you have no meaningful life.
> I know
> I'm a more advanced user that most,
Hardly, pinhead.
> but still... the need to have 3G in
> Africa doesn't really matter to me.
Had to look it up on a map to see where it was, didn't you?
> In any metro area, open wireless is
> everywhere...
That's only because you live in an area with lots of McDonalds.
> and the iPhone auto / real time shows the open networks
> and joins them, so being on the slower 3G network is of little
> importance.
>
> -
>
How do you know 3G is slower than the wifi you are using? I'm willing to
bet that a 3G connection is faster than more than 50% of the wifi spots you
hit. That is, of course assuming that you use more than the one at home
and the one at work- ya know, the one next to the fry machine.
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