Re: 3rd Party apps? When and where?

mechphisto@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 13, 1:10 pm, "Tinman" <a...@for.it> wrote:
>>
>> And a restore back to a factory fresh iPhone is always one click
>> away in iTunes.
>>
>> There's really no risk at just jailbreaking--I've done it 100's of
>> times. C'mon on in and join the fray:
>> "http://www.everythingicafe.com/forum/iphone-modifications/how-to-easi..."
>>
>
> Well, I'm considering it.... But looking around, every single place I
> could find info on jailbreaking iPhone indicates you have to downgrade
> the firmware from 1.1.3 to 1.1.1 first. And then there's like several
> programs that can be used to install the Installer.
> Except, that ZiPhone app you have linked off the page you just linked
> to.
> It seems to be the only app to indicate you can jailbreak from 1.1.3.
> This for sure?

Yes, it is indeed. A major breakthrough since before ZiPhone firmware 1.1.1
always had to be the starting point. Plus the older 1.1.3 jailbreaks,
referred to as "soft" upgrades, were kinda problematic and of course a lot
of work to perform. All that is history now, with the release of ZiPhone.
It's the only way to go.


> I also noticed in the "Issues" section iPhysics needs to have some fix
> that appears a bit cryptic. Would a different method of jailbreaking
> prevent that from being necessary? (As well as the Mail program
> issue?)

No, a different method wouldn't help--and in fact would be much worse. The
Mail issue is rare--I have never had and have done 10 jailbreaks via
ZiPhone. But it's a simple fix to get it working should you have the
problem.

The problem with iPhysics et al is not the jailbreak, it's the apps. Prior
to firmware 1.1.3 everything on the iPhone ran as root. You can imagine what
a security threat that would be when SDK third-party apps appear. So now
apps run as the mobile user. Problem is, apps that have not been updated for
mobile user still store their data (like iPhysics levels) in /var/root
instead of /var/mobile. Till the apps get updated for 1.1.3 a quick symlink
will make them work.

Of course without jailbreaking we wouldn't be able to run these apps at all.


>
> Also, a couple places indicate, but only a couple, that after
> installing Installer, you have to install the BEOS (sp?) support
> packages and OpenSSH.

I personally install BSD subsystem and OpenSSH first whenever jailbreaking.
I do this because I find SSH/SCP the easiest way to get into my iPhone to
transfer files, run a terminal window, etc. I also use BossPrefs to turn SSH
off when I am not using it.

OpenSSH requires BSD SS, as do other apps--and if BSD is not installed those
apps won't install either. BSD subsystem is an extensive collection of 'nix
tools, pretty much what you'd find on a full blown computer. That doesn't
mean you have to use a command line (but you can), the tools are called by
plenty of GUI apps too.


> Is there a reason why only a few instructions out there indicate this?
> And I've seen one warning that OpenSSH must be uninstalled for
> security reasons. Does one need to install/uninstall SSH for
> everything that one might want to install through Installer?

The reason for the security concern is because many people will just leave
SSH, with the default root password still in place, on all of the time. This
means if you happen to be sitting at a hot spot someone could SSH into your
iPhone and have full control. As I stated earlier though, I use BossPrefs to
disable SSH when I don't use it (and I have changed the default passwords
for root and mobile). For sure you won't need to install it and uninstall
OpenSSH for anything you'd want from Installer.


--
Mike

On Feb 14, 10:02 am, "Tinman" <a...@for.it> wrote:
> mechphi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Feb 13, 1:10 pm, "Tinman" <a...@for.it> wrote:
>
> >> And a restore back to a factory fresh iPhone is always one click
> >> away in iTunes.
>
> >> There's really no risk at just jailbreaking--I've done it 100's of
> >> times. C'mon on in and join the fray:
> >> "http://www.everythingicafe.com/forum/iphone-modifications/how-to-easi..."
>
> > Well, I'm considering it.... But looking around, every single place I
> > could find info on jailbreaking iPhone indicates you have to downgrade
> > the firmware from 1.1.3 to 1.1.1 first. And then there's like several
> > programs that can be used to install the Installer.
> > Except, that ZiPhone app you have linked off the page you just linked
> > to.
> > It seems to be the only app to indicate you can jailbreak from 1.1.3.
> > This for sure?
>
> Yes, it is indeed. A major breakthrough since before ZiPhone firmware 1.1.1
> always had to be the starting point. Plus the older 1.1.3 jailbreaks,
> referred to as "soft" upgrades, were kinda problematic and of course a lot
> of work to perform. All that is history now, with the release of ZiPhone.
> It's the only way to go.
>
> > I also noticed in the "Issues" section iPhysics needs to have some fix
> > that appears a bit cryptic. Would a different method of jailbreaking
> > prevent that from being necessary? (As well as the Mail program
> > issue?)
>
> No, a different method wouldn't help--and in fact would be much worse. The
> Mail issue is rare--I have never had and have done 10 jailbreaks via
> ZiPhone. But it's a simple fix to get it working should you have the
> problem.
>
> The problem with iPhysics et al is not the jailbreak, it's the apps. Prior
> to firmware 1.1.3 everything on the iPhone ran as root. You can imagine what
> a security threat that would be when SDK third-party apps appear. So now
> apps run as the mobile user. Problem is, apps that have not been updated for
> mobile user still store their data (like iPhysics levels) in /var/root
> instead of /var/mobile. Till the apps get updated for 1.1.3 a quick symlink
> will make them work.
>
> Of course without jailbreaking we wouldn't be able to run these apps at all.
>
>
>
> > Also, a couple places indicate, but only a couple, that after
> > installing Installer, you have to install the BEOS (sp?) support
> > packages and OpenSSH.
>
> I personally install BSD subsystem and OpenSSH first whenever jailbreaking.
> I do this because I find SSH/SCP the easiest way to get into my iPhone to
> transfer files, run a terminal window, etc. I also use BossPrefs to turn SSH
> off when I am not using it.
>
> OpenSSH requires BSD SS, as do other apps--and if BSD is not installed those
> apps won't install either. BSD subsystem is an extensive collection of 'nix
> tools, pretty much what you'd find on a full blown computer. That doesn't
> mean you have to use a command line (but you can), the tools are called by
> plenty of GUI apps too.
>
> > Is there a reason why only a few instructions out there indicate this?
> > And I've seen one warning that OpenSSH must be uninstalled for
> > security reasons. Does one need to install/uninstall SSH for
> > everything that one might want to install through Installer?
>
> The reason for the security concern is because many people will just leave
> SSH, with the default root password still in place, on all of the time. This
> means if you happen to be sitting at a hot spot someone could SSH into your
> iPhone and have full control. As I stated earlier though, I use BossPrefs to
> disable SSH when I don't use it (and I have changed the default passwords
> for root and mobile). For sure you won't need to install it and uninstall
> OpenSSH for anything you'd want from Installer.
>
> --
> Mike

Thanks for all the great feedback!
I appreciate the time you took to do that.
Looks like I'm going to be jailbreaking tonight. =)
Of course, your comment raises the question: Why have you found it
necessary to jailbreak 10 times?!
(Oh, does changing the default root and mobile passwords affect the
operation of any of the apps, native or installed? Thanks!)
-Liam

mechphisto@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the great feedback!
> I appreciate the time you took to do that.
> Looks like I'm going to be jailbreaking tonight. =)
> Of course, your comment raises the question: Why have you found it
> necessary to jailbreak 10 times?!

Not all the same iPhone! But I did use ZiPhone about 5 or 6 times while
testing it on my personal iPhone, as ZiPhone was updated repeated the first
24 hours of its release. As I was writing a guide I wanted to be sure to run
the latest version each time it was released. Had I not been writing the
guide I would just have stayed with what I had (the updates to ZiPhone
mainly made it easier to use--it started out needing command line access on
a PC). It's now at version 2.0 though and that seems to be "it" (at least
for now).


> (Oh, does changing the default root and mobile passwords affect the
> operation of any of the apps, native or installed? Thanks!)

Nope, not at all.


--
Mike

"Tinman" <ask@for.it>
wrote:

> As I was writing a guide

Do you have a URL to your guide?
Thank you!

--
Gruss
Georg
»the more I see - the less I know«

Georg Lutz wrote:
> "Tinman" <ask@for.it>
> wrote:
>
>> As I was writing a guide
>
> Do you have a URL to your guide?

Here you go:
"http://www.everythingicafe.com/forum/iphone-modifications/how-to-easily-jailbreak-1-1-3-with-the-full-jailbreak-windows-mac-22696-31.html"


OS X guide:
"http://modmyifone.com/wiki/index.php/Unlock_Activate_Jailbreak_113_iPhone"

(Server is usually hammered on the second link.)


--
Mike

On Feb 14, 10:35 am, "Tinman" <a...@for.it> wrote:
> mechphi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Thanks for all the great feedback!
> > I appreciate the time you took to do that.
> > Looks like I'm going to be jailbreaking tonight. =)
> > Of course, your comment raises the question: Why have you found it
> > necessary to jailbreak 10 times?!
>
> Not all the sameiPhone! But I did use ZiPhone about 5 or 6 times while
> testing it on my personaliPhone, as ZiPhone was updated repeated the first
> 24 hours of its release. As I was writing a guide I wanted to be sure to run
> the latest version each time it was released. Had I not been writing the
> guide I would just have stayed with what I had (the updates to ZiPhone
> mainly made it easier to use--it started out needing command line access on
> a PC). It's now at version 2.0 though and that seems to be "it" (at least
> for now).
>
> > (Oh, does changing the default root and mobile passwords affect the
> > operation of any of the apps, native or installed? Thanks!)
>
> Nope, not at all.
>
> --
> Mike

Oh, dear..hope you have some advice for this. What I'm finding on the
Web isn't working.
After jailbreaking using ZiPhone, I restarted the phone, then went
into Install.
I found BSD Subsystem, but when I try to install, it seems to download
3/4 the way then says:
Error: Package download failed!
Searching, I found people recommending going from wifi to Edge and
trying, I did that, and no good. And back to wifi, no good.
Someone recommended just keep trying over and over, I tried maybe 20
times, no luck.
Someone recommended using the Japanese version--even if I knew where
to find that, not sure I want to do that.

Any ideas?
Thanks.
-Liam

mechphisto@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Oh, dear..hope you have some advice for this. What I'm finding on the
> Web isn't working.
> After jailbreaking using ZiPhone, I restarted the phone, then went
> into Install.
> I found BSD Subsystem, but when I try to install, it seems to download
> 3/4 the way then says:
> Error: Package download failed!

Easy fix:

1.) Try to Install it again, but instead of tapping Install tap Remove from
Queue. (If Remove from Queue is not there tap Cancel instead.)

2.) Tap the Sources tab.

3.) Tap Refresh.

4.) When the refresh is complete go ahead and install BSD subsystem.


Keep in mind there is a small bug in Installer: when a package fails to
install it stays in the queue. So if you don't clear the queue you will get
the same error repeatedly.

Good job on getting as far as you did!



--
Mike

On Feb 15, 12:14 pm, "Tinman" <a...@for.it> wrote:
> mechphi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Oh, dear..hope you have some advice for this. What I'm finding on the
> > Web isn't working.
> > After jailbreaking using ZiPhone, I restarted the phone, then went
> > into Install.
> > I found BSD Subsystem, but when I try to install, it seems to download
> > 3/4 the way then says:
> > Error: Package download failed!
>
> Easy fix:
>
> 1.) Try to Install it again, but instead of tapping Install tap Remove from
> Queue. (If Remove from Queue is not there tap Cancel instead.)
>
> 2.) Tap the Sources tab.
>
> 3.) Tap Refresh.
>
> 4.) When the refresh is complete go ahead and install BSD subsystem.
>
> Keep in mind there is a small bug in Installer: when a package fails to
> install it stays in the queue. So if you don't clear the queue you will get
> the same error repeatedly.
>
> Good job on getting as far as you did!

Thanks! Due to your help.
What I ended up doing is reloading the sources, on a whim.
After I did that, the BSD Subsystem to be installed suddenly went from
2.0 to 2.1, and then installed easily.

Now, looks like the only problems I have now are small annoying ones.
Like Term-vt100 won't install, the weDict add-on dictionaries don't
seem to be working, the Dock screenshot isn't saving the images, and
iPhysics add-ons don't seem to be adding.
The Customize package doesn't seem to be working, but I'm pretty sure
that's because I have SummerBoard installed; I'll try uninstalling
that and seeing if Customize will work.
Otherwise, this is blast! I have PockeyMoney working, Books, TextEdit,
and Finder. Those things alone make the iPhone my perfect PDA!
Anything else is just gravy. =)

Thanks for taking the time and effort to reply and offer advice! =)
-Liam