"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > I don't know any situation where Apple or Jobs have ever screwed
> > customers -- what examples do you think you are referring to?
>
> The $600 phones that went to $400 in a heartbeat
well, it really went from $600 to $500 since he gave everyone $100 back.
none wrote:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>>> I don't know any situation where Apple or Jobs have ever screwed
>>> customers -- what examples do you think you are referring to?
>>
>> The $600 phones that went to $400 in a heartbeat
>
> well, it really went from $600 to $500 since he gave everyone $100
> back.
>
> don't try and falsify the numbers.
> >> The $600 phones that went to $400 in a heartbeat
> >
> > well, it really went from $600 to $500 since he gave everyone $100
> > back.
> >
> > don't try and falsify the numbers.
>
> He didn't. And your logic is twisted.
my logic illustrated the actual drop, $599 to $399 with $100 credit, so
it dropped by $100, not by "$200".
> ITYM, "it really went from $500 to $400."
yes, if you bought the $499 model it was discontinued, but you still got
the $100 credit, so it went from $499 to $399.
i used another one of my credits last night, bought a $99 4GB iPod,
which cost me $4.56 with tax, it will go up on ebay tonight, sell for
around $139, so I'll made around $130 back from the $100 credit, so this
particular iPhone technically cost $369. sweet!
In article <a-343BE0.09032222102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net>,
none <a@bc.com> wrote:
> "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote:
>
> > >> The $600 phones that went to $400 in a heartbeat
> > >
> > > well, it really went from $600 to $500 since he gave everyone $100
> > > back.
> > >
> > > don't try and falsify the numbers.
> >
> > He didn't. And your logic is twisted.
>
> my logic illustrated the actual drop, $599 to $399 with $100 credit, so
> it dropped by $100, not by "$200".
>
> > ITYM, "it really went from $500 to $400."
>
> yes, if you bought the $499 model it was discontinued, but you still got
> the $100 credit, so it went from $499 to $399.
>
> i used another one of my credits last night, bought a $99 4GB iPod,
> which cost me $4.56 with tax, it will go up on ebay tonight, sell for
> around $139, so I'll made around $130 back from the $100 credit, so this
> particular iPhone technically cost $369. sweet!
Except for eBay listing and seller fees, Paypal fees. Why even bother?
Ness Net wrote:
> An important note on this subject:
>
> It was NOT $100 back - it was a CREDIT.
> There is a HUGE difference.
>
> A credit forces you into the store to buy something.
> It forces you to actually spend more.
>
> Spend on something with a healthy markup I'm sure.
>
> The NET is much less than $100 in reality.
>
Let's not forget sales tax! Yea I know that ain't Apple's issue, but that
makes the $100 more like $85 (in many states).
Also, you can't use the credit for iTunes Store purchases. Personally, I
found that odd.
> An important note on this subject:
>
> It was NOT $100 back - it was a CREDIT.
> There is a HUGE difference.
no. it's actually MORE than $100 back in cash. my example of buying a
$99 4GB iPod illustrates the point. I spent $5ish on tax, free shipping.
sell it on ebay will net at least $139, remove the fees and you get
around $130 in CASH back...
so the "credit" is only if you don't understand how markets work.
> A credit forces you into the store to buy something.
> It forces you to actually spend more.
ah, not necessarily. in my case i converted an online transaction to $30
MORE than the $100 Steve gave back to everyone, without stepping a foot
in an Apple Store. But, yes in most cases people that have purchased an
iPhone will be back for more Apple products very quickly since they
understand the great value it brings. They get $100 back in "value" and
are happy.
> Spend on something with a healthy markup I'm sure.
>
> The NET is much less than $100 in reality.
The "NET GAIN" worked out to $130 in PURE CASH in my case at +5%
interest.
So, Ness Net, you just don't know much about business it appears.
> Except for eBay listing and seller fees, Paypal fees. Why even bother?
because it is easy money... run the numbers... on a .99 cent starting
fee for a Silver 4GB iPod, I will at least get $139 + $5 for shipping...
That equates to $9.70 in fees, and shipping will be around $4 for such a
light weight item, so I walk away with $130 in CASH... from a $100
iPhone "credit".
Only clerks and low level peons have the time to dick
around like you propose. As a clerk / stockboy you have
the ample time to spare, I see... Most people value their
time more than you do.
I certainly do. The time this would take would cost me more
than the net $. Clearly, YOU don't understand "business"...
Your convoluted method below is not "business".
Bottom line, you saying this is "business" one again shows
your astounding and complete stupidity.
Young and clueless once again....
"Oxford" <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in message
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>
> no. it's actually MORE than $100 back in cash. my example of buying a
> $99 4GB iPod illustrates the point. I spent $5ish on tax, free shipping.
>
> sell it on ebay will net at least $139, remove the fees and you get
> around $130 in CASH back...
>
> so the "credit" is only if you don't understand how markets work.
>
> ah, not necessarily. in my case i converted an online transaction to $30
> MORE than the $100 Steve gave back to everyone, without stepping a foot
> in an Apple Store. But, yes in most cases people that have purchased an
> iPhone will be back for more Apple products very quickly since they
> understand the great value it brings. They get $100 back in "value" and
> are happy.
>
> The "NET GAIN" worked out to $130 in PURE CASH in my case at +5%
> interest.
>
> So, Ness Net, you just don't know much about business it appears.
>
> -
>
In article
<colalovesmacs-9266E0.14284022102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote:
> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Except for eBay listing and seller fees, Paypal fees. Why even bother?
>
> because it is easy money... run the numbers... on a .99 cent starting
> fee for a Silver 4GB iPod, I will at least get $139 + $5 for shipping...
>
> That equates to $9.70 in fees, and shipping will be around $4 for such a
> light weight item, so I walk away with $130 in CASH... from a $100
> iPhone "credit".
>
Look at the current completed listings. The only ones that hope to
realize that amount are those doing a BIN, and even then only a couple
have sold. The rest are well under. What's your feedback rating, and
have you sold related products before? an eBay newbie or anything less
than a 99% pos is going to put your chances even less.
There are a HUGE number of iPods who's completed auctions show ZERO
bids. Many more for less $$$ than stated below. Lots of supply, not anywhere
near as high of demand.
Bottom line - GOOD "business" says that this is FAR from a sure thing.
In fact "business" would say that it is, in reality, very BAD business.
Certainly, only a complete idiot would think otherwise, like (Oxford) below.
You Apple stockboy training didn't teach you "business" very well, huh??
"Oxford" <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in message
news:colalovesmacs-0EDAF5.14225622102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net...
>
> no. it's actually MORE than $100 back in cash. my example of buying a
> $99 4GB iPod illustrates the point. I spent $5ish on tax, free shipping.
>
> sell it on ebay will net at least $139, remove the fees and you get
> around $130 in CASH back...
>
> so the "credit" is only if you don't understand how markets work.
>
> ah, not necessarily. in my case i converted an online transaction to $30
> MORE than the $100 Steve gave back to everyone, without stepping a foot
> in an Apple Store. But, yes in most cases people that have purchased an
> iPhone will be back for more Apple products very quickly since they
> understand the great value it brings. They get $100 back in "value" and
> are happy.
>
> The "NET GAIN" worked out to $130 in PURE CASH in my case at +5%
> interest.
>
> So, Ness Net, you just don't know much about business it appears.
>
> -
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > no. it's actually MORE than $100 back in cash. my example of buying a
> > $99 4GB iPod illustrates the point. I spent $5ish on tax, free shipping.
> >
> > sell it on ebay will net at least $139, remove the fees and you get
> > around $130 in CASH back...
>
> SURE you will.
are you angry that i've found a loophole in turning a $100 credit into
$130 cash?
> Only clerks and low level peons have the time to dick
> around like you propose. As a clerk / stockboy you have
> the ample time to spare, I see... Most people value their
> time more than you do.
or i could be independently wealthy... there are two ends to every
scale. it took about 5 minutes to get the credit, 3 minutes to post it
to ebay, and about 3 seconds to lick a stamp.
> I certainly do. The time this would take would cost me more
> than the net $. Clearly, YOU don't understand "business"...
ah, I got $130 for less than 9 minutes of work... or about $866 an
hour... not bad work if you can get it... how about you?
> Your convoluted method below is not "business".
> Bottom line, you saying this is "business" one again shows
> your astounding and complete stupidity.
sure it is, anything that generates money is "business". some day you'll
learn this...
> "Ness Net" <richard@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote:
>
>> Only clerks and low level peons have the time to dick
>> around like you propose. As a clerk / stockboy you have
>> the ample time to spare, I see... Most people value their
>> time more than you do.
>
> or i could be independently wealthy...
> > That equates to $9.70 in fees, and shipping will be around $4 for such a
> > light weight item, so I walk away with $130 in CASH... from a $100
> > iPhone "credit".
> >
> Look at the current completed listings. The only ones that hope to
> realize that amount are those doing a BIN, and even then only a couple
> have sold. The rest are well under. What's your feedback rating, and
> have you sold related products before? an eBay newbie or anything less
> than a 99% pos is going to put your chances even less.
so you don't know how to work ebay it seems, do a "completed" listing
search, then sort high to low... the highest go for $300-$320 or so, but
average is $139... and since my perfect feedback ensures i'll at least
get that much, probably a bit more, i'm golden.
In article
<colalovesmacs-27BD4F.19272822102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote:
> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > That equates to $9.70 in fees, and shipping will be around $4 for such a
> > > light weight item, so I walk away with $130 in CASH... from a $100
> > > iPhone "credit".
> > >
> > Look at the current completed listings. The only ones that hope to
> > realize that amount are those doing a BIN, and even then only a couple
> > have sold. The rest are well under. What's your feedback rating, and
> > have you sold related products before? an eBay newbie or anything less
> > than a 99% pos is going to put your chances even less.
>
> so you don't know how to work ebay it seems, do a "completed" listing
> search, then sort high to low... the highest go for $300-$320 or so, but
> average is $139... and since my perfect feedback ensures i'll at least
> get that much, probably a bit more, i'm golden.
No, I buy and sell a lot. Just realistic. Good luck, though.
> > so you don't know how to work ebay it seems, do a "completed" listing
> > search, then sort high to low... the highest go for $300-$320 or so, but
> > average is $139... and since my perfect feedback ensures i'll at least
> > get that much, probably a bit more, i'm golden.
>
> No, I buy and sell a lot. Just realistic. Good luck, though.
i do as well, so it should be fine, the worthless value of the dollar
has really juiced international buyers, so it's a fun game to play...
> Also, you can't use the credit for iTunes Store purchases. Personally,
I
> found that odd.
I don't. The gross margin on Apple hardware is 40-50%, while the margin
on iTunes songs is likely 10% or less. Tha $100 credit would cost Apple
nearly $100 at iTMS, vs. the $50-60 it costs them if you redeem it for
hardware.
> I don't. The gross margin on Apple hardware is 40-50%, while the margin
> on iTunes songs is likely 10% or less. Tha $100 credit would cost Apple
> nearly $100 at iTMS, vs. the $50-60 it costs them if you redeem it for
> hardware.
the margin on a song is 30ish% - apple makes .29 cents on each song.
> Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't. The gross margin on Apple hardware is 40-50%, while the margin
>> on iTunes songs is likely 10% or less. Tha $100 credit would cost Apple
>> nearly $100 at iTMS, vs. the $50-60 it costs them if you redeem it for
>> hardware.
>
> the margin on a song is 30ish% - apple makes .29 cents on each song.
>
That's not true at all. They make much less than that. Please cite your
source for that information.
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