> This announcement will be a good reason why Oxford's fanatical fanboy
> bullshit won't happen (iPhone taking over the entire world)
and where did i ever proclaim the iphone would take over the world?
nope, never happened. sure, the iphone will get around 30-40% of the
cell market within 8 years, everyone agrees with that.
so i'll proclaim that since the iPod got 72% within 6 years, the iPhone
should easily get 30-40% of the cell market within 8 years. If i'm a bit
low on that estimate, i'm sorry.
> Google will partner with all other manufacturer's and eventually CRUSH the
> iPhone.
Ah, but Google just announced they aren't going to produce a PHONE, they
are only going to do the software, so by default they have given up on
the cell market. Nobody is going to put Google Software on a phone.
That's just ridiculous.
Google (Eric) realized they couldn't compete against the iPhone in
software or hardware, so they admitted defeat today.
Eric sits on Apple's Board, and was shown the way by Steve.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:46:11 -0700, Oxford wrote:
> and where did i ever proclaim the iphone would take over the world?
> nope, never happened. sure, the iphone will get around 30-40% of the
> cell market within 8 years, everyone agrees with that.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
On Mon, 5 Nov 2007, Oxford wrote:
> and where did i ever proclaim the iphone would take over the world?
> nope, never happened. sure, the iphone will get around 30-40% of the
> cell market within 8 years, everyone agrees with that.
Let's make a bet.
If iPhone has at least 30% of the world mobile phone market by 2015, then
I will buy you two new iPhones of whatever the current model is.
If iPhone has less than 30% of the world mobile phone market, then you
turn over your iPhone to me, I smash it with a hammer, and then you will
eat it. And if you try to weasel out by not owning an iPhone at the time,
then I will donate a Newton MP100 that to be smashed with a hammer and for
you subsequently to eat.
You will need to supply me with your correct name, address, and phone
number; and keep me informed of all subsequent changes of address and
phone number to ensure fufillment of the wager.
Oh, and I'll be nice and supply some soy sauce to go with your meal.
-- Mark --
http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
> the iphone will get around 30-40% of the
> cell market within 8 years, everyone agrees with that.
>
>
They do? Would everyone who thinks this hobbled up PoS is gonna
be 40% of the cellphone market in 8 years raise their hands?
(crickets chirping, occasional hoot owl way off in the
distance...)
I see.
Larry
--
I'll make you one.....
8 years from now we'll all be looking back with amusement at how
we plodded along at 100, 300, 700 kbps on a shitty SELLphone link
from our multimegabit WiMax 4.0 internet tablets sitting in a
nice mall or park talking over the tablet's color VoiP (video-
over-internet-protocol)....not clicking away at our touchscreens
hoping to touch the right tiny pad so it'll type right.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
In article
<colalovesmacs-E4E24B.13461105112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote:
> and where did i ever proclaim the iphone would take over the world?
In many predictions, you have stated that iPhone was the future of the
entire industry, the only influential phone of recent times, the way of
all networking, etc. You read them when you post, don't you?
> nope, never happened. sure, the iphone will get around 30-40% of the
> cell market within 8 years, everyone agrees with that.
No, sir. I've seen no one make any such prediction. Can you point to
even _one_ such prediction?
Can you also show that everyone in the industry agrees with this
nonsense?
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
Mark Crispin <MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007, Oxford wrote:
> > and where did i ever proclaim the iphone would take over the world?
> > nope, never happened. sure, the iphone will get around 30-40% of the
> > cell market within 8 years, everyone agrees with that.
>
> Let's make a bet.
>
> If iPhone has at least 30% of the world mobile phone market by 2015, then
> I will buy you two new iPhones of whatever the current model is.
sure, seems like a fair enough bet. i'll want just 2 of the middle level
models, probably the $149, terabyte version (approx)
> If iPhone has less than 30% of the world mobile phone market, then you
> turn over your iPhone to me, I smash it with a hammer, and then you will
> eat it. And if you try to weasel out by not owning an iPhone at the time,
> then I will donate a Newton MP100 that to be smashed with a hammer and for
> you subsequently to eat.
sure, except for the eating part the newton isn't related to the
iphone by the way, the former was built by a non-techy, pepsi guy
(sculley), while the iphone was built by the best minds in cell the
industry.
> You will need to supply me with your correct name, address, and phone
> number; and keep me informed of all subsequent changes of address and
> phone number to ensure fufillment of the wager.
sure, i'll track you down in 8ish years and you can send them to my po
box.
> Oh, and I'll be nice and supply some soy sauce to go with your meal.
no need, you have no idea what is about to happen with the iphone. it's
spelled... massive, m a r k s h a r e.
it's well on track to be more popular than even the ipod, and last time
i checked it had 72% m a r k s h a r e only after 6 years of being on
the market.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
Mark Crispin <MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:
> > sure, except for the eating part
>
> No. You must eat it.
so in sum, you are quite scared that the iphone will indeed hit 30%
share within the next 8 years.
> I will video-record your meal and post it on the
> Internet as a humilation of an Apple fanboy.
you are clearly terrified of the iphone and its impact on the cell
industry.
so it's fun to watch you squirm.
> Remember, if you don't deliver your iPhone for smashing/eating, you will
> have to eat a Newton MP100. And there's a lot more to eat on a Newton.
>
> You will not be allowed to worm out of your meal.
being irrational again? or are you terrified of the iphone, or both?
> > sure, i'll track you down in 8ish years and you can send them to my po
> > box.
>
> No. You give me your correct name, address, and phone number now, and you
> supply all updates.
hehe, i won't divulge my address info until it is time for you to pay
up. apple is going to wipe you out with this agreement, the writing is
already on the wall.
i know your history, so i'll be able to collect in 2015, or petition for
your ouster from the technological backwaters called "washington.edu".
> You will not be allowed to disappear without fufilling your wager.
my wager is solid, the cell industry has never had a major competitor of
the likes o apple enter this field. remember IBM? remember Univac?
remember Burroughs, remember Control Data? They are the Nokia, MOT,
Samsung, LG of this era.
The iPhone does the same exact thing to the cell industry. There is
nothing you can do about it, except setup an appointment with SJ and
prove your true worth with IMAP. You'll fail since he can smell a fake a
mile away. But try and email him anyway, sjobs@apple.com, see if you are
worthy. If not, the iPhone wins and Nokia and the rest become the seven
dwarfs to Apple and the iPhone.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
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> no need, you have no idea what is about to happen with the iphone. it's
> spelled... massive, m a r k s h a r e.
Markshare? Oh, you mean market share. You may want to try using proper
English, as not using proper English makes you sound even dumber than you
normally sound.
> it's well on track to be more popular than even the ipod, and last time
> i checked it had 72% m a r k s h a r e only after 6 years of being on
> the market.
Different type of product, different market conditions.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
At 05 Nov 2007 13:46:11 -0700 Oxford wrote:
> and where did i ever proclaim the iphone would take over the world?
> nope, never happened. sure, the iphone will get around 30-40% of the
> cell market within 8 years, everyone agrees with that.
You've "predicted" that the iPhone's success will destroy Nokia,
Motorola, et al, and that shortly all other phones will "work like
iPhones."
While that isn't "taking over the world" it's pretty darn close!
> so i'll proclaim that since the iPod got 72% within 6 years, the iPhone
> should easily get 30-40% of the cell market within 8 years.
You've already predicted it'll drive all other cellphone manufacturers
out of business in a "few years"- so who'll be left to build the other 60%
of the market? Even your ridiculous overblown predictions are
backpedals!
> Ah, but Google just announced they aren't going to produce a PHONE,
You didn't read it, did you? They didn't rule out a future "gPhone"
either.
> they
> are only going to do the software, so by default they have given up on
> the cell market.
Companies like Microsoft or Google do not build a single PC (or phone),
but they've managed to built a nice little businesses supplying software
or services for those markets. I doubt not immediately producing (or
OEM'ing) a phone will impact Google's foray into the cellphone market...
> Nobody is going to put Google Software on a phone.
> That's just ridiculous.
Hang around cellphone forums sometime (um, er, then again, DON'T! We get
enough of your crap here!) and you'd see amongst the most popular
cellphone java apps downloaded are Google Maps, and the GMail client.
There are MILLIONS of cellphone users already using Google-produced
software on their phones, including the 1.4 million iPhone owners using
the special, inferior, crippled (no GPS support) version of Google Maps
commissioned for iPhone.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
On Nov 6, 2:48 pm, Bob Campbell <b...@bob.bob> wrote:
> In article
> <colalovesmacs-73D00B.13081806112...@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net>,
> Oxford <colalovesm...@smart.com> wrote:
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/widi/BUNCH
>
> > They were ALL wiped out by the Apple ][.
>
> I see you are spouting nonsense again.
>
> First of all, the above URL points to nothing.
>
> Second, The Apple 2 had no effect on the BUNCH. They were IBMs
> mainframe competitors, not IBM PC competitors.
That group use to be known of as IBM and the Seven Dwarfs. :-)
> Third, since the IBM PC and clones killed the Apple 2 series, you have
> no point whatsoever. Again.
Why are people still using Blackberries? Oxford says the iPhone
killed the Blackberry within 40 days of its launch. Seeing how there
are at least 8 million Blackberry users, and only one million iPhones,
there must be a lot of sharing going on...
> But then, that is not surprising.
>
> Bob Campbell
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
Oxford, you need to see a mental health professional. Your message below
demonstrates projection bias (also called "Freudian Projection"). This is
a symptom of severe personality disorder.
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007, Oxford wrote:
> Mark Crispin <MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:
>
>>> sure, except for the eating part
>>
>> No. You must eat it.
>
> so in sum, you are quite scared that the iphone will indeed hit 30%
> share within the next 8 years.
>
>> I will video-record your meal and post it on the
>> Internet as a humilation of an Apple fanboy.
>
> you are clearly terrified of the iphone and its impact on the cell
> industry.
>
> so it's fun to watch you squirm.
>
>> Remember, if you don't deliver your iPhone for smashing/eating, you will
>> have to eat a Newton MP100. And there's a lot more to eat on a Newton.
>>
>> You will not be allowed to worm out of your meal.
>
> being irrational again? or are you terrified of the iphone, or both?
>
>>> sure, i'll track you down in 8ish years and you can send them to my po
>>> box.
>>
>> No. You give me your correct name, address, and phone number now, and you
>> supply all updates.
>
> hehe, i won't divulge my address info until it is time for you to pay
> up. apple is going to wipe you out with this agreement, the writing is
> already on the wall.
>
> i know your history, so i'll be able to collect in 2015, or petition for
> your ouster from the technological backwaters called "washington.edu".
>
>> You will not be allowed to disappear without fufilling your wager.
>
> my wager is solid, the cell industry has never had a major competitor of
> the likes o apple enter this field. remember IBM? remember Univac?
> remember Burroughs, remember Control Data? They are the Nokia, MOT,
> Samsung, LG of this era.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/widi/BUNCH
>
> They were ALL wiped out by the Apple ][.
>
> The iPhone does the same exact thing to the cell industry. There is
> nothing you can do about it, except setup an appointment with SJ and
> prove your true worth with IMAP. You'll fail since he can smell a fake a
> mile away. But try and email him anyway, sjobs@apple.com, see if you are
> worthy. If not, the iPhone wins and Nokia and the rest become the seven
> dwarfs to Apple and the iPhone.
>
> -
>
-- Mark --
http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
Mark Crispin <MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:
> Oxford, you need to see a mental health professional. Your message below
> demonstrates projection bias (also called "Freudian Projection"). This is
> a symptom of severe personality disorder.
Mark I'm clearly more rational than you. I'll contact you in 2015 to
collect my winnings.
> Second, The Apple 2 had no effect on the BUNCH. They were IBMs
> mainframe competitors, not IBM PC competitors.
The Apple ][ brought about the demise of the mainframe & mini. Thats a
raw fact. Apple is the most disruptive company of our lifetime, they
crush entire markets with their disrespect for the status quo.
> Third, since the IBM PC and clones killed the Apple 2 series, you have
> no point whatsoever. Again.
Actually the Apple // runs to this day, and was sold up until 1993, not
bad for a 1Mhz machine
> But then, that is not surprising.
Yes, I have a much better command over the rise and fall of all
platforms, someday you catch up to my level of understanding.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
On 2007-11-07, Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote:
> The Apple ][ brought about the demise of the mainframe & mini. Thats a
> raw fact.
No, it's a piece of unmitigated bullshit. Companies that needed mainframe
power wouldn't have, and in fact didn't, upgrade to the Apple ][. Two
completely different markets.
> Actually the Apple // runs to this day, and was sold up until 1993
1993 was 14 years ago. I'm sorry, did you have a point?
> Yes, I have a much better command over the rise and fall of all
> platforms,
The only thing you have command over is pulling "facts" out of your ass. But
it is entertaining watching you do so.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007, Oxford wrote:
> Mark Crispin <MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:
>> Oxford, you need to see a mental health professional. Your message below
>> demonstrates projection bias (also called "Freudian Projection"). This is
>> a symptom of severe personality disorder.
> Mark I'm clearly more rational than you. I'll contact you in 2015 to
> collect my winnings.
You did not agree to the terms of the wager. The wager is not valid until
you agree to those terms.
By the way, if you're really trying to hide, you shouldn't use Qwest.
They respond to subpoenas.
-- Mark --
http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
Oxford wrote:
> IBM pc and the clones didn't last nearly that long, the 286 models were
> the end of the line compared to the Apple // 6502. The apple // remains
> to this day the longest running/sold platform.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
At 06 Nov 2007 22:03:30 -0800 Mark Crispin wrote:
> By the way, if you're really trying to hide, you shouldn't use Qwest.
> They respond to subpoenas.
At least they ONLY respond to subpoenas, rather than voluntarily turn
over call records to Dubya and company when asked, like the other telcos
did! ;-)
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
Mark Crispin <MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:
> > Mark I'm clearly more rational than you. I'll contact you in 2015 to
> > collect my winnings.
>
> You did not agree to the terms of the wager. The wager is not valid until
so you are trying to back out of an honest wager? are scared that you
will lose?
yep!
> By the way, if you're really trying to hide, you shouldn't use Qwest.
> They respond to subpoenas.
i'm not hiding anything, and no, qwest could careless about you iphone
fears, they would laugh at your attempts to discover who i am.
> At least they ONLY respond to subpoenas, rather than voluntarily turn
> over call records to Dubya and company when asked, like the other telcos
> did! ;-)
yes, qwest won't give out customer data until a long, expense court
fight. and yes dubya would have a hard time breaking into qwest, but i
must admit he's smarter than mark crsipin.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
Bob Campbell <bob@bob.bob> wrote:
> Oxford is a certified goofball. BlackBerries are the overwhelming
> choice of business and government. You know - professionals. The
> iPhone does not even play in this market.
well, googball is a little strong but i'm an advocate, sure.
the iphone outsells the blackberry and will from here on out. and while
the blackberry had a great run, it will end up like the Diamond Ria MP3
player. they are just too cumbersome to deal with going forward, and
after february the iphone will have more software availiblity than the
blackberry.
the iphone reaches into a much larger market than just "professionals",
so it will be entertaining to see RIM fade away.
> If anything "kills the BlackBerry", rest assured it will NOT be the
> iPhone!
well, it's already hurt sales and now is the no 2 smartpone, and just a
single apple release away from being no 3. then number 4 and so on.
apple owns the smartphone market now and it only took 180 days, not bad.
not bad at all.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
Bob Campbell <bob@bob.bob> wrote:
> Still running is not the point. There are TRS-80s "still running"
> also. That doesn't mean that the TRS-80 market is not dead.
but there are very few TRS-80's still in use, but there are millions of
Apple //s still being used every day in schools, homes and business
across the world.
> The Apple 2 was killed by the IBM PC and it's clones. That Apple 2s
> were still being sold in 1993 pretty much proves the point - IBM clones
> are still be sold right now. Where is the Apple 2 being sold?
actually, the low priced Macintosh LC killed the Apple //, Apple put the
"//" on a chip/daughter card and slid it into the LC in 1993, thus Apple
killed the Apple // form factor but it was still being sold until steve
returned in 1997.
IBM pc and the clones didn't last nearly that long, the 286 models were
the end of the line compared to the Apple // 6502. The apple // remains
to this day the longest running/sold platform.
> Again, Apple 2s had no impact on the mainframe market. To claim so
> only shows your extreme ignorance.
oh, but your ignorance is showing. the spreadsheet was invented on the
apple //, thus the mainframes / mini markets largely died. so you aren't
looking at the bigger picture and don't know your history of that time
period.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
On Wed, 7 Nov 2007, Oxford wrote:
>> You did not agree to the terms of the wager. The wager is not valid until
> so you are trying to back out of an honest wager? are scared that you
> will lose?
I am not backing down. However, I require surety that you will fufill
your part of the wager.
Specifically:
(1) You must provide your correct contact information (name, address, and
telephone number) and keep me informed of any changes to that contact
information for the duration of the wager.
(2) You must agree that you will do one of the following if you lose:
(a) provide your iPhone to be smashed, and then eat it.
(b) eat a smashed Newton MP100 which I will provide.
You have not provided your contact information. You attempt to get out of
having to eat the smashed iPhone (or Newton).
Be a man and accept a man's wager. The terms are listed. Take them or
leave them.
> i'm not hiding anything, and no, qwest could careless about you iphone
> fears, they would laugh at your attempts to discover who i am.
Don't bet on that point. It's a very straightforward, and quite
automatic, procedure.
-- Mark --
http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
Bob Campbell wrote:
> In article
> <colalovesmacs-16130E.08310507112007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net>,
> Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote:
>
>> but there are very few TRS-80's still in use, but there are millions of
>> Apple //s still being used every day in schools, homes and business
>> across the world.
>
> No, there aren't. I'm sure you can provide some evidence for this
> claim?
For once, I have to back up Ox-retard... We have an Apple IIe
controlling a Coordinate Measuring Machine that's still in daily use.
So boys and girls... Mark this on your calendar. This is a historic
event! Oxtard /didn't/ lie or shovel bullshit on this one statement!
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
"Steve Mackay" <steve_mackay@hotmail.com> stated in post
47322cb6$0$16473$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 11/7/07 2:22 PM:
> Bob Campbell wrote:
>> In article
>> <colalovesmacs-16130E.08310507112007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net>,
>> Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote:
>>
>>> but there are very few TRS-80's still in use, but there are millions of
>>> Apple //s still being used every day in schools, homes and business
>>> across the world.
>>
>> No, there aren't. I'm sure you can provide some evidence for this
>> claim?
>
> For once, I have to back up Ox-retard... We have an Apple IIe
> controlling a Coordinate Measuring Machine that's still in daily use.
>
> So boys and girls... Mark this on your calendar. This is a historic
> event! Oxtard /didn't/ lie or shovel bullshit on this one statement!
Are there still *millions* out there running?
--
Never stand between a dog and the hydrant. - John Peers
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:fgshir
$dc1$1@aioe.org:
> At least they ONLY respond to subpoenas, rather than
voluntarily turn
> over call records to Dubya and company when asked, like the
other telcos
> did! ;-)
>
>
Or the Mossad. The records of all phone companies is in ISRAEL!
There's a great documentary or two on it...from PBS and CBS I
think.
Larry
--
You can tell there's extremely
intelligent life in the universe
because they have never called Earth.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
In news:47322cb6$0$16473$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,
Steve Mackay <steve_mackay@hotmail.com> typed:
> Bob Campbell wrote:
>> In article
>> <colalovesmacs-16130E.08310507112007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net>,
>> Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote:
>>
>>> but there are very few TRS-80's still in use, but there are millions of
>>> Apple //s still being used every day in schools, homes and business
>>> across the world.
>>
>> No, there aren't. I'm sure you can provide some evidence for this
>> claim?
>
> For once, I have to back up Ox-retard... We have an Apple IIe
> controlling a Coordinate Measuring Machine that's still in daily use.
>
> So boys and girls... Mark this on your calendar. This is a historic
> event! Oxtard /didn't/ lie or shovel bullshit on this one statement!
That is ONE, Now we just need to find another 1,999,999. lol
Unfortunately, for fanboys like you, they quickly backpeddled and
reported that while it outsold any particular MODEL of Blackberry, it
only sold sold half of how many Blackberry devices sold in aggregate: http://66.225.202.210/journals/apple...on-blackberry-
outsells-iphone-2-to-1-in-july :
"iSuppli's sell-through research and the subsequent press release
indicated that the iPhone outsold all smart phone models in July in the
United States on an individual basis. While iSuppli stands by this
analysis, it is important to note that iPhone's retail sales did not
exceed the combined retail sales of the entire BlackBerry line of smart
phones (approximately twice that of the iPhone if taken in total) in the
United States in July."
> and will from here on out.
Unlikely, since no other device sold currently fills the BB's particular
niche. iPhone's support of secure corporate e-mail is pitiful to non-
existant, and currently consists of using IMAP, which any decent phone
can do, and is not a good solution for security minded organizations.
> and while
> the blackberry had a great run, it will end up like the Diamond Ria MP3
> player. they are just too cumbersome to deal with going forward, and
> after february the iphone will have more software availiblity than the
> blackberry.
February is when the SDK is supposed to be released. Unless teams of
amateurs are going to pump out thousands of "Hello World"- caliber apps
the first two weeks, RIM will have the edge for awhile in terms of number
of apps available.
Having said that,the iPhone only needs a few good apps to address it
shortcomings, but I'll wager the SDK still won't let developers have
access deep inside the OS.
I'll make my bold Oxford-like predictions right here, (and risk looking
foolish in February!) My guess is that Apple will maintain a very tight
control over development in one of the following ways:
Limiting distribution of the SDK either by commanding a very high price,
or only distributing it to select "approved" developers.
Requiring apps to be digitally signed by Apple (via an arduous/expensive
process) before they can be installed, or:
The SDK will be neutered "harmless" allowing no access to the OS-
creating essentially installable versions of the current "webapps" or run
in some type of as-yet-unreleased Java-like virtual machine (or other
"sandbox") insulating it from the phone's guts.
> the iphone reaches into a much larger market than just "professionals",
Agreed. Unfortunately, it sidesteps the professional market entirely.
> so it will be entertaining to see RIM fade away.
Don't hold your breath... on second thought, go ahead and hold your
breath- we could all use the silence when you pass out for awhile.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen 
the newton isn't related to the
Linear Mode
