In article <cp04s3d8mer80lf33qch167hp38t1rf1c7@4ax.com>, Evan Platt
<evan@theobvious.espphotography.com> wrote:
> On my home phone, I see the name of the person calling on my caller
> ID. A cell phone just shows the number.
The name shows on my cell phone. If I have the name in my address book
on my cell phone. Names are shown on landline phones caller ID without
being programmed in? I don't have caller ID on my home phone so i
didn't know that.
In article <42a4s359pmbrgoep52in9q2otttj8o30ve@4ax.com>, Evan Platt
<evan@theobvious.espphotography.com> wrote:
> Yep. Obviously, the name will show on your cell phone if it's in your
> phonebook. But yes, the billing name shows on a landline caller ID.
Interesting that the billing name shows up. I did not know that. Is
that really that useful unless the call is from a cell? What I mean is
that calls from landline phones are often used by more than one person.
So you would more often only have the billing name which might be
anyone in a household or company while a cell phone is usually
personal.
In article <hvc4s3hiot6cenid3dvmtvro4sqditguj4@4ax.com>, Evan Platt
<evan@theobvious.espphotography.com> wrote:
> Well, if you know a Smith family, say a coworker Joe Smith, but may
> not remember his home phone number (and don't have it in your
> phonebook), but you see a call from "Susan Smith", you know it's
> likely him.
Okay. I guess I have gotten used to only taking personal calls on my
cell phone and giving out that number. The landline does not get many
incoming calls.
At 25 Feb 2008 06:46:00 -0500 Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> Let's see, unlisted/unpublished still shows the number--not sure about
> the name.
Qwest, my landline carrier, sends the number with "Unknown Name" as a name.
> Blocked call shows a variety of things, none of which are any
> identifying information. Anonymous, blocked, whatever the cell carrier
> wishes to show when the "blocked" flag is set for the sending call. (Do
> note that the number itself is carried along with the call; those who
> block merely have a "block" bit going along with it, and the entire
> system counts on receiving equipment to honor that blocking bit. As you
> can see, a blocked outgoing caller ID doesn't mean diddly to people who
> want to know and are in the position to have such receiving equipment.)
You're giving way too much credit to the receiving equipment. Caller ID is
just a string of text sent by the phone company, and the CID display boxes
are dumb displays. The phone company sends what your display sees. A
blocked number just isn't sent- there's nothing for your box to "honor,"
and my guess is the choice of text comes from the originating phone company-
I've seen "Private," "Anonymous Caller," etc.
Having said that, calling 800#s gives out your information on the premise
that someone paying for the call has the right to know who's calling them
even if you block caller ID. That's not CID, however, but a different
(older) service called ANI.
> Cell phone might show "cell phone" or anything else as the name.
Depends on your carrier, perhaps- if I call you from my T-Mo phone, you'll
see my name. Sometimes I see the caller's name, "Wireless Caller" or even
the carrier name.
In article <elmop-0FCD32.06460025022008@nntp4.usenetserver.com>, elmop@nastydesigns.com says...
>
> Blocked call shows a variety of things, none of which are any
> identifying information. Anonymous, blocked, whatever the cell carrier
> wishes to show when the "blocked" flag is set for the sending call. (Do
> note that the number itself is carried along with the call; those who
> block merely have a "block" bit going along with it, and the entire
> system counts on receiving equipment to honor that blocking bit. As you
> can see, a blocked outgoing caller ID doesn't mean diddly to people who
> want to know and are in the position to have such receiving equipment.)
>
>
Myth. I questioned that so I Googled for more info on the format of the
CID data stream (sent between the 1st and 2nd ring). There is NO "block
flag" or anything like it. When a call is blocked the standard calls for
replacing the entire NPANXXNNNN phone number with the single letter
capital-P; i.e. the calling number is NOT sent. If it was there'd be a
whole market of non-blockable callerid boxes.
This idea probably grew out of someone's confusing caller id with the
ANI (Automatic Number Identification) service available (for a fee) to
800 number customers. That's sent on a seperate circuit and cannot be
blocked. Not all 800 customers pay for real time ANI since they get the
calling number shown on their bill without it.
--
Jud
Dallas TX USA
Jud Hardcastle <I5i5changethistodash5rbo@xemaps.com> wrote in
news:MPG.222c9b6523c95aa5989a35@news.dallas.sbcglo bal.net:
> That's sent on a seperate circuit and cannot be
> blocked. Not all 800 customers pay for real time ANI since they get the
> calling number shown on their bill without it.
>
One of the biggest benefits of calling 800 numbers with Skype Out is their
total inability to extract your telephone number from ANI. Skype always
sends 0001234567 as the caller ID number when you make a Skype Out phone
call on POTS.....a real feature, I think.
This, I'm sure, is one of the reasons I've never gotten a spammer calling
my Skype In phone number. The other reason is my phone number, here in
Charleston in the states, is in the same number block as AOL uses for
dialup modems, and is probably locked out of all autodialers at the boiler
rooms across the planet.
I'm not sure about my London Skype In number. The only unsolicited calls I
get on it are wrong numbers looking for hubby at a pub. My number is one
number off theirs and is easily dialed, it seems, in the heat of anger when
he doesn't show up at home when he's suppoed to. Those calls are hilarious
and I wouldn't change them for anything!.....(c; I've taken to answering
my Skype In calls with the pub's name....(c;
NOBODY gets my Skype phone number when I call them....not even the Mossad.
Evan Platt wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:02:30 -0500, Charles <fort514@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Interesting that the billing name shows up. I did not know that. Is
>> that really that useful unless the call is from a cell? What I mean is
>> that calls from landline phones are often used by more than one person.
>> So you would more often only have the billing name which might be
>> anyone in a household or company while a cell phone is usually
>
> Well, if you know a Smith family, say a coworker Joe Smith, but may
> not remember his home phone number (and don't have it in your
> phonebook), but you see a call from "Susan Smith", you know it's
> likely him.
On a landline with caller ID, you can dial *77 (at least in my territory
(California, PacBell/SBC/ATT/WhateverThey'reCallingThemselvesThisWeek))
and it will set a flag of some kind where calls that do not reveal their
caller ID information are prevented from ringing your phone before it
reaches you. Before the call reaches you, the call is diverted to a
recording that tells you that this person does not accept anonymous
calls, please dial *whatver to unblock your number this time only, or
use a payphone first. They call it anonymous call rejection. It's
great. But I pay monthly for caller ID on my landline also.
On 2008-02-25, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> Jud Hardcastle <I5i5changethistodash5rbo@xemaps.com> wrote in
> news:MPG.222c9b6523c95aa5989a35@news.dallas.sbcglo bal.net:
>
>> That's sent on a seperate circuit and cannot be
>> blocked. Not all 800 customers pay for real time ANI since they get the
>> calling number shown on their bill without it.
>
> One of the biggest benefits of calling 800 numbers with Skype Out is their
> total inability to extract your telephone number from ANI. Skype always
> sends 0001234567 as the caller ID number when you make a Skype Out phone
> call on POTS.....a real feature, I think.
The ANI number isn't that fake number, however, it is a real number which
belongs to the company which terminates Skype's PSTN calls, Level 3.
I know this because when I once used Skype to call my bank's 800 number
from overseas, instead of the menu system I expected the call was instead
routed directly to the bank's security department. Apparently the ANI
number was on their suspicious list, so they wanted to talk to me about
that.
Skype caller ID works works fine with SkypeIn numbers if you tell it
to do that, by the way, with the only catch being that it won't let you
use a US number for the caller ID. Your UK number would show up fine
on calls to US cell phones if you wanted that, though overseas caller
ID numbers aren't usually delivered to landlines.
On 2008-02-25, Jud Hardcastle <I5i5changethistodash5rbo@xemaps.com> wrote:
> In article <elmop-0FCD32.06460025022008@nntp4.usenetserver.com>,
> elmop@nastydesigns.com says...
>>
>> Blocked call shows a variety of things, none of which are any
>> identifying information. Anonymous, blocked, whatever the cell carrier
>> wishes to show when the "blocked" flag is set for the sending call. (Do
>> note that the number itself is carried along with the call; those who
>> block merely have a "block" bit going along with it, and the entire
>> system counts on receiving equipment to honor that blocking bit. As you
>> can see, a blocked outgoing caller ID doesn't mean diddly to people who
>> want to know and are in the position to have such receiving equipment.)
>>
> Myth. I questioned that so I Googled for more info on the format of the
> CID data stream (sent between the 1st and 2nd ring). There is NO "block
> flag" or anything like it. When a call is blocked the standard calls for
> replacing the entire NPANXXNNNN phone number with the single letter
> capital-P; i.e. the calling number is NOT sent. If it was there'd be a
> whole market of non-blockable callerid boxes.
It is true that a blocked number is not delivered to a subscriber's
line. I think it is the case, however, that the calling number (along
with all the numbers from which the call was forwarded) is carried
in the SS7 signaling all the way to the telephone switch serving
the called party, and it is this last switch which is responsible
for deciding whether to deliver the number to the subscriber or
not. So, while a normal subscriber isn't going to see blocked caller
IDs, they are probably available to someone with more intimate access
to the phone switch.
In message <240220082202305671%fort514@mac.com> Charles
<fort514@mac.com> wrote:
>In article <42a4s359pmbrgoep52in9q2otttj8o30ve@4ax.com>, Evan Platt
><evan@theobvious.espphotography.com> wrote:
>
>> Yep. Obviously, the name will show on your cell phone if it's in your
>> phonebook. But yes, the billing name shows on a landline caller ID.
>
>Interesting that the billing name shows up. I did not know that. Is
>that really that useful unless the call is from a cell? What I mean is
>that calls from landline phones are often used by more than one person.
>So you would more often only have the billing name which might be
>anyone in a household or company while a cell phone is usually
>personal.
Yes, it's useful -- Especially when the call comes from a company that
you do (or don't) have business with.
It's nearly as useful with cell phones (I am lucky enough to be on a
carrier that offers name display, both inbound and outbound for mobiles)
In message <fpulnq$ano$1@aioe.org> Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
>You're giving way too much credit to the receiving equipment. Caller ID is
>just a string of text sent by the phone company, and the CID display boxes
>are dumb displays. The phone company sends what your display sees. A
>blocked number just isn't sent- there's nothing for your box to "honor,"
>and my guess is the choice of text comes from the originating phone company-
> I've seen "Private," "Anonymous Caller," etc.
That really depends on the type of service you subscribe to. On an
analog loop, you're correct.
However, for digital services (VoIP, ISDN, T1 and up, etc) all bets are
off. The telco easily can supply the phone number and other
information, along with a "Private number" tag.
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