Should I get an iPhone or some other similar device? --

In article <kvSdncLdXfUMcUHanZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> wrote:

> In article <q6%Cj.1222$LV5.1150@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net> ,
> "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > "Lewis" <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> wrote in message
> > news:xaadncVBkusB-0HanZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@giganews.com...
> > > In article <N%QCj.23298$0w.17134@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net >,
> > > "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > >> "Lewis" <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> wrote in message
> > >> news:vrGdnb9-87afT0banZ2dnUVZ_tLinZ2d@giganews.com...
> > >> > In article <FksCj.1039$qS5.664@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> > >> > "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > >> >> There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.
> > >> >
> > >> > Completely untrue.
> > >>
> > >> Link ?
> > >
> > > Other people have posted info about new chips.
> > >
> >
> > Where ? No link, No truth to it.
>
> Ah.. you're one of THOSE.
>
> Try googling for: intel 3g mobile

Lewis, I told Edwin the same thing yesterday, and now I'll repeat it to
you: that's not the way the game is played.

You make a claim: *you* provide the link.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-58A942.14413816032008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> In article <kvSdncLdXfUMcUHanZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> wrote:
>
>> In article <q6%Cj.1222$LV5.1150@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net> ,
>> "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> > "Lewis" <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> wrote in message
>> > news:xaadncVBkusB-0HanZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@giganews.com...
>> > > In article <N%QCj.23298$0w.17134@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net >,
>> > > "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> > >> "Lewis" <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> wrote in message
>> > >> news:vrGdnb9-87afT0banZ2dnUVZ_tLinZ2d@giganews.com...
>> > >> > In article <FksCj.1039$qS5.664@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
>> > >> > "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> > >> >> There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Completely untrue.
>> > >>
>> > >> Link ?
>> > >
>> > > Other people have posted info about new chips.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Where ? No link, No truth to it.
>>
>> Ah.. you're one of THOSE.
>>
>> Try googling for: intel 3g mobile
>
> Lewis, I told Edwin the same thing yesterday, and now I'll repeat it to
> you: that's not the way the game is played.
>
> You make a claim: *you* provide the link.
>

Alan Baker is such an ignoramus that he requires a link because he is too
stupid to Google something.

In article <9uCdnaYXzOBqL0DanZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@netlojix.com>,
"John" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-58A942.14413816032008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> > In article <kvSdncLdXfUMcUHanZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <q6%Cj.1222$LV5.1150@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net> ,
> >> "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> > "Lewis" <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> wrote in message
> >> > news:xaadncVBkusB-0HanZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@giganews.com...
> >> > > In article <N%QCj.23298$0w.17134@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net >,
> >> > > "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> > >> "Lewis" <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> wrote in message
> >> > >> news:vrGdnb9-87afT0banZ2dnUVZ_tLinZ2d@giganews.com...
> >> > >> > In article <FksCj.1039$qS5.664@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> >> > >> > "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> > >> >> There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Completely untrue.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Link ?
> >> > >
> >> > > Other people have posted info about new chips.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Where ? No link, No truth to it.
> >>
> >> Ah.. you're one of THOSE.
> >>
> >> Try googling for: intel 3g mobile
> >
> > Lewis, I told Edwin the same thing yesterday, and now I'll repeat it to
> > you: that's not the way the game is played.
> >
> > You make a claim: *you* provide the link.
> >
>
> Alan Baker is such an ignoramus that he requires a link because he is too
> stupid to Google something.

Nope.

I require that everyone who makes a claim provide the link when asked
(there's no need to support points which are not disputed) or admit they
cannot support their claim...

....even myself.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> stated in post
alangbaker-A7AC0D.22054716032008@&#9...9.nw.nuvox.net] on 3/16/08
10:05 PM:

>> Alan Baker is such an ignoramus that he requires a link because he is too
>> stupid to Google something.
>
> Nope.
>
> I require that everyone who makes a claim provide the link when asked
> (there's no need to support points which are not disputed) or admit they
> cannot support their claim...
>
> ...even myself.

Can you support that?


--
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing. - Unknown

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:05:47 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
wrote:

>In article <9uCdnaYXzOBqL0DanZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@netlojix.com>,
> "John" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
>> news:alangbaker-58A942.14413816032008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
>> > In article <kvSdncLdXfUMcUHanZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <q6%Cj.1222$LV5.1150@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net> ,
>> >> "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >> > "Lewis" <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> wrote in message
>> >> > news:xaadncVBkusB-0HanZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@giganews.com...
>> >> > > In article <N%QCj.23298$0w.17134@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net >,
>> >> > > "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >> > >> "Lewis" <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> wrote in message
>> >> > >> news:vrGdnb9-87afT0banZ2dnUVZ_tLinZ2d@giganews.com...
>> >> > >> > In article <FksCj.1039$qS5.664@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
>> >> > >> > "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >> > >> >> There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Completely untrue.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Link ?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Other people have posted info about new chips.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > Where ? No link, No truth to it.
>> >>
>> >> Ah.. you're one of THOSE.
>> >>
>> >> Try googling for: intel 3g mobile
>> >
>> > Lewis, I told Edwin the same thing yesterday, and now I'll repeat it to
>> > you: that's not the way the game is played.
>> >
>> > You make a claim: *you* provide the link.
>> >
>>
>> Alan Baker is such an ignoramus that he requires a link because he is too
>> stupid to Google something.
>
>Nope.
>
>I require that everyone who makes a claim provide the link when asked
>(there's no need to support points which are not disputed) or admit they
>cannot support their claim...
>
>...even myself.

*cough* pure bullshit *cough*

To all those reading this outrageous lie who don't know him this is
from Alan 'I'll cry like a little girl until you give me a URL but
I'll never back up anything I say with one' Baker.
If he ever posted a link supporting his argument it was purely by
accident.



--

Why settle for the lesser evil?
Cthulhu for president 2008.

In article <ebvrt3tbsho6mvss2dbb9l8e6e3enqfemf@4ax.com>,
Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:05:47 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <9uCdnaYXzOBqL0DanZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@netlojix.com>,
> > "John" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
> >> news:alangbaker-58A942.14413816032008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> >> > In article <kvSdncLdXfUMcUHanZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >> > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article <q6%Cj.1222$LV5.1150@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net> ,
> >> >> "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> >> > "Lewis" <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:xaadncVBkusB-0HanZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@giganews.com...
> >> >> > > In article <N%QCj.23298$0w.17134@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net >,
> >> >> > > "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> >> > >> "Lewis" <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> wrote in
> >> >> > >> message
> >> >> > >> news:vrGdnb9-87afT0banZ2dnUVZ_tLinZ2d@giganews.com...
> >> >> > >> > In article <FksCj.1039$qS5.664@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> >> >> > >> > "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> >> > >> >> There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Completely untrue.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Link ?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Other people have posted info about new chips.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Where ? No link, No truth to it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ah.. you're one of THOSE.
> >> >>
> >> >> Try googling for: intel 3g mobile
> >> >
> >> > Lewis, I told Edwin the same thing yesterday, and now I'll repeat it to
> >> > you: that's not the way the game is played.
> >> >
> >> > You make a claim: *you* provide the link.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Alan Baker is such an ignoramus that he requires a link because he is too
> >> stupid to Google something.
> >
> >Nope.
> >
> >I require that everyone who makes a claim provide the link when asked
> >(there's no need to support points which are not disputed) or admit they
> >cannot support their claim...
> >
> >...even myself.
>
> *cough* pure bullshit *cough*
>
> To all those reading this outrageous lie who don't know him this is
> from Alan 'I'll cry like a little girl until you give me a URL but
> I'll never back up anything I say with one' Baker.

This is the reply from Clyde 'I'll libel anyone I don't like' St...

Oh, wait. Just typing your name is apparently reason enough for you to
posting something disgusting.

> If he ever posted a link supporting his argument it was purely by
> accident.

As you well know, I've posted links hundreds of times.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

In alt.cellular.verizon Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> Data actually flows better in the boondocks because I don't have to compete
> with other users for EVDO service, I suppose.

Is that true? I noticed that I got MUCH faster EVDO in Vermont than I get
in Boston. Is the reason that there is more bandwidth/user?

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel

EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote in
news:frlm5n$fuk$2@reader2.panix.com:

> Is that true? I noticed that I got MUCH faster EVDO in Vermont than I
> get in Boston. Is the reason that there is more bandwidth/user?
>

Sure. Sellphone bandwidth, just like cable bandwidth is a SHARED resource.
In Boston, or any heavily populated area, there are thousands of users
fighting over X bandwidth. In VT, the bandwidth just sits there with
occasional use. Country people, in general of course, are much less
technology addicted than city people, like us. I bet if we went to rural
VT and polled 1000 sellphone users, a tiny fraction of them use or even
know data service exists. They just got them off AMPS, kicking and
screaming because these little toyphones really suck in the country because
the infrastructure to support them simply isn't built....and probably never
will be. Remember all those dead zones you were in?

So, some smartass from Boston comes in with his FancyFone 5000 and has the
whole bandwidth to himself....capped, of course, by the company's
hobblings. The sellphone runs as fast as they'll let it.

It's not real busy in the boondocks.....I stream Xiph and Shoutcast out
there a lot.

In Boston, you have to share what the company has, which is never enough,
with all the other Boston smartasses with FancyFone 5000s...(c; They'll
buy more bandwidth if enough corporate users start rattling their sabres
and churning....

On Mar 13, 2:26 pm, "nco...@gmail.com" <nco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey all,
> I'm seriously considering getting out of my current Verizon phone
> contract and paying all the money I'm going to have to pay to make the
> switch to something more robust.
>
> Quick background --
> I work for Big Corporate America where I'm essentially cut off from a
> lot of things during the day while at work (thank god not Google
> Groups.) I can't access my personal email (gmail, yahoo, road runner,
> etc) and I'm blocked from a lot of websites. I need a device that
> will allow me to at least check personal email (so I can cut down on
> the amount of personal emails I get and make at work) and perhaps
> access a few sites. [btw - when I've mentioned this before, people
> go on tangental rants about how I shouldn't want to check personal
> emails while at work, don't I work?, etc -- that's up to me and yes, I
> do work -- very hard... but I've had enough of being cut off during
> the day and being so restricted and until I can get another job that
> liberates me I need a solution]
>
> So I'm exploring options.
>
> I'm thinking the best solution is to go with the iPhone, but I wanted
> to get some feedback from users of either iPhones or other devices
> (BlackBerry, Palm, etc) on what works, what doesn't work, what you can
> do, what you can't do, features, things you don't like (usability),
> things you like, etc.
>
> Any feedback on devices is greatly appreciated.
> Thanks.

I think it is ironic that big corp. is restricting Internet access.
While I think they have to restrict access to pron to protect
themselves legally things have gone too far.

If you restrict Internet access because you don't trust your employees
to have the work ethic to make sure they do their jobs then you have
other problems.
Besides of late most of the real corporate fraud occurs from the top
down and maybe it always has.

Blackberry is expensive.
Less is you don't use RIM BES or Internet.

Palm is still expensive if you want to do corporate mail.

iPhone is nice and you can do Exchange without having buy a service
like Palm.
Yes you can do forwarding and stuff like that with all of them.
You are locked into AT&T (The we and the NSA would like to get to know
you company) without hacking the phone.
So you better like AT&T or else.

The catch you will run into is that these kinds of things all need
data services and sometimes Internet services as well as voice.
Like always the service is the expensive part.

"John" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:9uCdnaYXzOBqL0DanZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@netlojix.com ...
>
> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-58A942.14413816032008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
>> In article <kvSdncLdXfUMcUHanZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <q6%Cj.1222$LV5.1150@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net> ,
>>> "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> > "Lewis" <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> wrote in message
>>> > news:xaadncVBkusB-0HanZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> > > In article <N%QCj.23298$0w.17134@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net >,
>>> > > "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> > >> "Lewis" <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> wrote in
>>> > >> message
>>> > >> news:vrGdnb9-87afT0banZ2dnUVZ_tLinZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> > >> > In article <FksCj.1039$qS5.664@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
>>> > >> > "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> > >> >> There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Completely untrue.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Link ?
>>> > >
>>> > > Other people have posted info about new chips.
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > Where ? No link, No truth to it.
>>>
>>> Ah.. you're one of THOSE.
>>>
>>> Try googling for: intel 3g mobile
>>
>> Lewis, I told Edwin the same thing yesterday, and now I'll repeat it to
>> you: that's not the way the game is played.
>>
>> You make a claim: *you* provide the link.
>>
>
> Alan Baker is such an ignoramus that he requires a link because he is too
> stupid to Google something.

He is certainly an ignoramus. The other day he was trying to tell me how
affiliatte networks payout. LOL He thought I had to pay them to market
their offers. bwahahahaha

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-117B7F.01545017032008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> In article <ebvrt3tbsho6mvss2dbb9l8e6e3enqfemf@4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:05:47 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <9uCdnaYXzOBqL0DanZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@netlojix.com>,
>> > "John" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:alangbaker-58A942.14413816032008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
>> >> > In article <kvSdncLdXfUMcUHanZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> >> > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> In article <q6%Cj.1222$LV5.1150@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net> ,
>> >> >> "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >> >> > "Lewis" <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> wrote in
>> >> >> > message
>> >> >> > news:xaadncVBkusB-0HanZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@giganews.com...
>> >> >> > > In article <N%QCj.23298$0w.17134@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net >,
>> >> >> > > "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >> >> > >> "Lewis" <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> wrote in
>> >> >> > >> message
>> >> >> > >> news:vrGdnb9-87afT0banZ2dnUVZ_tLinZ2d@giganews.com...
>> >> >> > >> > In article <FksCj.1039$qS5.664@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
>> >> >> > >> > "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >> >> > >> >> There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Completely untrue.
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Link ?
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Other people have posted info about new chips.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Where ? No link, No truth to it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ah.. you're one of THOSE.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Try googling for: intel 3g mobile
>> >> >
>> >> > Lewis, I told Edwin the same thing yesterday, and now I'll repeat it
>> >> > to
>> >> > you: that's not the way the game is played.
>> >> >
>> >> > You make a claim: *you* provide the link.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Alan Baker is such an ignoramus that he requires a link because he is
>> >> too
>> >> stupid to Google something.
>> >
>> >Nope.
>> >
>> >I require that everyone who makes a claim provide the link when asked
>> >(there's no need to support points which are not disputed) or admit they
>> >cannot support their claim...
>> >
>> >...even myself.
>>
>> *cough* pure bullshit *cough*
>>
>> To all those reading this outrageous lie who don't know him this is
>> from Alan 'I'll cry like a little girl until you give me a URL but
>> I'll never back up anything I say with one' Baker.
>
> This is the reply from Clyde 'I'll libel anyone I don't like' St...
>
> Oh, wait. Just typing your name is apparently reason enough for you to
> posting something disgusting.
>
>> If he ever posted a link supporting his argument it was purely by
>> accident.
>
> As you well know, I've posted links hundreds of times.
>
> --
> Alan Baker
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
> to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
> sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

Alan, you're outted. You're a liar, a rapist, and stalker, a prank caller,
and a Mac user. You are pond scum.

"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A63758A672FAnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
> The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9A62EAA9736BCbob@216.196.97.136:
>
>> You're not mobile with that overpriced iPod.
>>
>> With that 3G connection, I can update an entire billing system while
>> on my way to work. I can set off a series of macros that verify
>> import of data and kick off a ton of reporting, all while driving to
>> work.
>>
>> You can't do that with your static wifi connection. Perhaps someday
>> you will understand if or when your toy phone catches up. I wouldn't
>> count on it though.
>>
>>
>
> Precisely the reason why his toy iPhone will never be a "business device"
> Apple is hawking.
>

LOL @ the iPhone worshippers. Ooooh it's so much fun when you are driving
around and even when the occassional WiFi network is found it's all locked
down. So valuable. I can tell all the locked down WiFi's in the area while
i'm surfing the next at 9600 baud on the Edge network. What a treat.
Thankfully I also have a blackberry running at broadband speeds.

Thundercleets <thundercleets@yahoo.com> wrote in news:606c8bf3-e239-4e85-
b473-13fdcfbbddcf@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

> iPhone is nice and you can do Exchange without having buy a service
> like Palm.
> Yes you can do forwarding and stuff like that with all of them.
> You are locked into AT&T (The we and the NSA would like to get to know
> you company) without hacking the phone.
> So you better like AT&T or else.
>
>

What are the company rules about bringing in CAMERAS? MANY, many companies
FORBID employees from bringing in cameras to spy on the company and copy
evidence of the company's wrongdoings and secrets.

The camera in an iPhone, or most smartphones, excludes them from ever
becoming a "business tool" to replace the PDAs and Blackberrys that don't
have cameras, on purpose.

Before riding the iphone/smartphone to work, you'd better see what the
company says about possession of private cameras on company property. They
take this very seriously.

Iphone will never be a serious business tool as long as the employees can
take pictures from it.

At 17 Mar 2008 13:49:43 -0400 MuahMan wrote:

> >> >I require that everyone who makes a claim provide the link when asked
> >> >(there's no need to support points which are not disputed) or admit
> >> >they cannot support their claim...
> >> >
> >> >...even myself.
> >>
> >> *cough* pure bullshit *cough*
> >>
> >> To all those reading this outrageous lie who don't know him this is
> >> from Alan 'I'll cry like a little girl until you give me a URL but
> >> I'll never back up anything I say with one' Baker.
> >
> > This is the reply from Clyde 'I'll libel anyone I don't like' St....
> >
> > Oh, wait. Just typing your name is apparently reason enough for you to
> > posting something disgusting.
> >
> >> If he ever posted a link supporting his argument it was purely by
> >> accident.
> >
> > As you well know, I've posted links hundreds of times.
> >
>
> Alan, you're outted. You're a liar, a rapist, and stalker, a prank
> caller, and a Mac user. You are pond scum.


Oh, goodie. Oxford's f¥¢&ing crossposting has the CSMA gang back here in
the alt.cellular groups. Take it back to CSMA, kids. Three months later
and it's still the same old name calling crap... Do you guys have this
crap in macros to save time typing?

In alt.cellular.verizon Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote in
> news:frlm5n$fuk$2@reader2.panix.com:

> > Is that true? I noticed that I got MUCH faster EVDO in Vermont than I
> > get in Boston. Is the reason that there is more bandwidth/user?
> >

> Sure. Sellphone bandwidth, just like cable bandwidth is a SHARED resource.

Ah. I suspected that, but I don't really know how it works.

When I connect, are there a limited number of slots open? Like the old
days of dialup, when only x number of physical modems were hooked up at
the ISP's digs? Does the system use someting simiar to NAT? Do I have a
unique IP address when I connect?

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel

EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
> In alt.cellular.verizon Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>>EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote in
>>news:frlm5n$fuk$2@reader2.panix.com:
>
>
>>>Is that true? I noticed that I got MUCH faster EVDO in Vermont than I
>>>get in Boston. Is the reason that there is more bandwidth/user?
>>>
>>
>
>>Sure. Sellphone bandwidth, just like cable bandwidth is a SHARED resource.
>
>
> Ah. I suspected that, but I don't really know how it works.
>
> When I connect, are there a limited number of slots open? Like the old
> days of dialup, when only x number of physical modems were hooked up at
> the ISP's digs? Does the system use someting simiar to NAT? Do I have a
> unique IP address when I connect?
>

It's the "size of the pipe" upstream from the tower. A service called
"T1" offers 1 million bits per second, "T3" is faster still (45 million
bits/second????). These technologies are used to connect central
offices to each other. Customers with high bandwidth requirements also
use them. T1 will cost you somewhere between $500 and $800 per month
and handle something like 64 simultaneous voice calls. T3 is between
$4000 and $6000 per month. Fiber optic technology is also used.

Whatever the size of the pipe, you must share it with everyone else
using the tower. I suspect that each tower is limited to some modest
number of simultaneous connections. I suspect that by doubling up on
equipment each physical tower can act as two towers.

EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote in news:frobqp$q$1@reader2.panix.com:

> When I connect, are there a limited number of slots open? Like the
> old days of dialup, when only x number of physical modems were hooked
> up at the ISP's digs? Does the system use someting simiar to NAT? Do
> I have a unique IP address when I connect?
>
>

The hackers have an IP grabber software that runs in my N800 tablet. That
software always reports a PPP connection on my Alltel tethered link, with
the correct IP assigned for the call from Alltel, so I assume the Sellular
link is PPP, at least on EVDO. The phone reports "Packet data" and
"DORMANT" like a PPP connection is. I doubt there's a reachable limit of
connections. I do have a dynamic assigned IP the software reports that
works fine with "Peekaboo", an application to turn the N800 tablet into an
html-addressable webcam. Too bad the IP changes with every connection for
Peekaboo as you have to tell your "audience" what your new html address is
to see through the cam. It handles 4 or 5 simultaneous html connects just
fine before it starts slowing down on EVDO. If someone wants to see
something while I'm talking to them on Skype or the Sellphone, I'll pop out
the cam and boot Peekaboo to show it to them....in realtime, 640x480 color
and audio....(c;

wrote in alt.cellular.verizon

> In alt.cellular.verizon Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>> EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote in
>> news:frlm5n$fuk$2@reader2.panix.com:
>
>> > Is that true? I noticed that I got MUCH faster EVDO in Vermont than
>> > I get in Boston. Is the reason that there is more bandwidth/user?
>> >
>
>> Sure. Sellphone bandwidth, just like cable bandwidth is a SHARED
>> resource.
>
> Ah. I suspected that, but I don't really know how it works.
>
> When I connect, are there a limited number of slots open? Like the old
> days of dialup, when only x number of physical modems were hooked up at
> the ISP's digs? Does the system use someting simiar to NAT? Do I have
> a unique IP address when I connect?

CDMA does not use slots per say, but when the cell towers start to reach
saturation the data will slow. GSM uses slots, the way you are thinking.
But, as I said, there is a limit on the amount of information being
passed in and out of the towers, whether it is data or voice. And yes,
for this reason you can get faster speeds in the country. On the other
hand if you were to look at a map of cell towers in a large city vs the
country you would see an amazing difference in the number of towers. I know
ATT's map of Manhattan looks the entire island is built of nothing but
their towers.
The down side of getting data away from the city becomes a matter of
signal strength. The farther away from a tower the lower the signal
and after a point the speed degrades.


--
Dick #1349
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
~Benjamin Franklin

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email: dickcr@gmail.net

Dick C wrote:

> The down side of getting data away from the city becomes a matter of
> signal strength. The farther away from a tower the lower the signal
> and after a point the speed degrades.

I was in Taipei last week. The coverage was incredibly good, both on
CDMA and GSM, both in the city and out in the mountains (where I
expected poor coverage based on the U.S. model of rural coverage). Since
all the carriers are island-wide, there are no "rural" carriers to pawn
off the hard to cover areas on.

The only problem was that it was incredibly hard to actually make or
receive a call at the trade show on my GSM phone with a prepaid SIM
card. My friend in Taiwan warned me that he wouldn't be able to call me,
and that I would have trouble using my phone, so I called him from one
of the two pay phones in the entire convention center that took coins.
This is a brand new convention center, and this was the first trade show
held there. It's rather sad that the carriers couldn't address the
capacity issue with more cells, but maybe they were already at the limit
for the area. How close together can the GSM cells be, and how many can
be in a small area to improve capacity?

The CDMA phone worked fine, but I wasn't willing to make many
$1.49/minute calls roaming with my Verizon phone! I'm sure the reason
that CDMA worked is because CDMA is pretty new in Taiwan and there
aren't a lot of subscribers on the CDMA system yet. I just noticed that
Verizon has lowered the roaming rate in Taiwan to $1.29/minute, but this
is still pretty outrageous.

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:47e4088a$0$36392
$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

> My friend in Taiwan warned me that he wouldn't be able to call me,
> and that I would have trouble using my phone, so I called him from one
> of the two pay phones in the entire convention center that took coins.
> This is a brand new convention center, and this was the first trade show
> held there.

Did you test the availability of wifi at the new convention center? Sounds
like a great place to use Skype or some VoIP if there's broadband
inside....and in Taiwan I bet there was plenty to use.

In article
<f1200f69-7c31-4c02-a804-b783b1f939a4@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote:

> Will that make the current iPhone obsolete? Yes. Do I care? No, it is
> worth every penny to use it right now.

I wouldn't have used the word 'obsolete' -- people exaggerate and
overemphasize it far too much, too often -- but the rest is a VERY
important point.

When you buy something, tech or otherwise, you are not buying its
position in the market. Buying the top performer does not guarantee it
is going to be the top performer at all.
Same with buying the features current in some device; you aren't buying
the right to expect an upcoming device not to have more. In fact, you
should expect that most newer devices will, and it just comes down to
deciding when you need to buy.

In article <4kalt39gkn2aarge4ptftjlf69usevo7f2@4ax.com>, DevilsPGD
<spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote:

> That being said, with both my Razr2 V9 and my HTC 8925/AT&T TILT, I get
> far better battery life in 3G mode then not, so perhaps the problem was
> more in Apple's selection of chips?

Offhand, I recall that the best-performing chip was in the middle of a
lawsuit, and Apple was playing the safer bet.