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Old 12-10-2007, 06:58 AM
Todd Allcock
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At 10 Dec 2007 00:15:11 +0000 Larry wrote:

> Nonsense. It's not done to SELL you more SELLphone
> product...another number, another account, another charge.



Back in the analog days, Cingular used to let you add extra phones to your
number- at $20/month/phone. All phones rang simultaneously and which ever
you answered first, took the call. They couldn't offer this service with
digital due to the way the authorization system worked. (This was in the
days before family plans.)


> The phones aren't tied to your cell number. They each have a MAC
> address, just like your Ethernet card. They can each be
> addressed, all at once, unless we can force you to pay more
> money.


Except the systems only allow one addressable device per number, ostensibly
to limit fraud.

I agree that if carriers WANTED to, they could create a system to address
multiple phones per number, as Cingular once did. You don't think they'd
do it for FREE though, do you? And why, in an age when you can have a
whole 2nd phone with unique number for $10/extra a month, would you pay $x
for an "extension" that was limited in functionality (i.e. couldn't call
the other handsets sharing the number?)
Again, you want an extension? Pay $10 for a family line, conditionally
forward one number to the other, or a Grandcentral.com number to auto-ring
both simultaneously (first to answer wins.)

Cellphone companies' services are not obligated to work like you think
they should work (which is apparently "like Skype works.")

If you have a better way to do it, feel free to bid at the upcoming 700MHz
auction! ;-)



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Old 12-10-2007, 10:53 PM
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On Dec 10, 5:55 am, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com>
wrote:
> In article <Xns9A01D8F458FA1noonehome...@208.49.80.253>,
>
> Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> > Notice I didn't say anything about it was ATT. It's iTunes, in
> > this case. Stevie Jobs thinks that you should pay HIM for ever
> > tune you ever play on HIS equipment.

>
> Really?
>
> So you've never used iTunes or an iPod, yet you don't have a problem
> ranting about them despite your sheer ignorance of how they work.
>
> There's no paying Apple for every tune you ever play on an iPod or in
> iTunes. Where the fuck did you get THAT idea?
>
> Take your ignorance back to your shack in the woods.


You are right Elmo. I have a hundred and fifty GB of audio in iTunes
and I haven't spent dime one at the Apple Store. I use the Apple Store
to help locate and manage PodCasts and my wife likes the Internet
Radio feature. I pick up a couple of gigs of new free video each day
also from Video podcasting. I also snag the occasional YouTube Video
or a clever one from Manaic.com for download to my iTouch.

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Old 12-11-2007, 01:11 AM
Larry
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4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:63998c56-c073-48e1-
b46b-e2e49c01aac3@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com:

> On Dec 10, 5:55 am, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...

@nastydesigns.com>
> wrote:
>> In article <Xns9A01D8F458FA1noonehome...@208.49.80.253>,
>>
>> Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
>> > Notice I didn't say anything about it was ATT. It's iTunes,

in
>> > this case. Stevie Jobs thinks that you should pay HIM for

ever
>> > tune you ever play on HIS equipment.

>>
>> Really?
>>
>> So you've never used iTunes or an iPod, yet you don't have a

problem
>> ranting about them despite your sheer ignorance of how they

work.
>>
>> There's no paying Apple for every tune you ever play on an

iPod or in
>> iTunes. Where the fuck did you get THAT idea?
>>
>> Take your ignorance back to your shack in the woods.

>
> You are right Elmo. I have a hundred and fifty GB of audio in

iTunes
> and I haven't spent dime one at the Apple Store. I use the

Apple Store
> to help locate and manage PodCasts and my wife likes the

Internet
> Radio feature. I pick up a couple of gigs of new free video

each day
> also from Video podcasting. I also snag the occasional YouTube

Video
> or a clever one from Manaic.com for download to my iTouch.
>


I'm just so proud of you fine boys I could.......puke.

M:\ROCK> COPY *.MP3 L:\ROCK [RETURN]

Doesn't that suck? That line copies over 2200 MP3 files to my
8GB SD card for the N800 to play. No begging one at a time, no
reporting to Crapple what I play, it just copies files that play,
as fast as the damned card can store them, ready to be played by
one of many MP3 players.

N:\MOVIES> COPY *.AVI L:\MOVIES

That one put 63 DivX movies on another 8GB drive labeled MOVIES
so I can swap 'em. No funny business. No screwing around with
webpages and permission from some Crapple bureaucrat and his
shitty software.

Question: How long does it take to load 2200 songs into an iPod
or iPhone or iAnything? How many keystrokes if you want 'em all?

I've never owned ANY "player", either audio or video, that
required me to use some proprietary bullshit to install playable
files onto any device, not just Crapple's. I never will....(c;

I've never owned ANY "player", either audio or video, that I
couldn't copy those files OFF the device onto something else
either locked out by the manufacturer or requiring some
proprietary bullshit to filter what I take off the device to move
some license nonsense to the other device, some hidden files from
some locked up, hidden directories. I never will......(c;

To pay for a locked up device is just STUPID!....

Larry
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Old 12-11-2007, 02:01 AM
4phun
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On Dec 10, 9:11 pm, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:

> To pay for a locked up device is just STUPID!....
>
> Larry


Larry where do you get the theory that the iPod is locked. I can put
my audio on an iPod and I can copy it off the iPod to another
computer. I dare say there are at least thousands that can do the same
thing.

Yes to the uninformed, such as yourself iPods appear to be only DRM
audio/video but in fact you can put anything on it. I have absolutely
nothing that has DRM in it nor would I ever buy anything like that.
And as for putting files on and off the music device iTunes has an
amazing programmable interface called SMART PLAYLISTS that almost
anyone can work with after a little thought. Using SMART PLAYLISTS you
can automat addition and deletion of files. I have the ability to add
or replace files on a variety of MP3 devices. I would rather work with
programmable snippets than sit and manually make decisions to copy one
or a group of files using the native file OS.

There is such a large user base to iPods and Apple products there
isn't much anyone wants to do that can't currently be done. All you
have to do is look and learn how. That is one of the factors that make
the Apple products so neat.

There is even a simple hack to beat the 3 play rule built into the
ZUNE for shared files. And that is one locked up DRM product - big
time.

So don't even bother bad mouthing the MS media product either.




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Old 12-11-2007, 02:04 PM
Larry
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4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:10848371-eb6e-4a33-
a153-5a9d869da2a1@v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

> Larry where do you get the theory that the iPod is locked. I

can put
> my audio on an iPod and I can copy it off the iPod to another
> computer. I dare say there are at least thousands that can do

the same
> thing.
>
>


My parameters are quite simple.....

Can this player, whatever player, be plugged into any USB port,
and loaded with any simple file manager of any files on the
drives, then played without hacking or begging the player to play
them? Then, can this player, plugged into ANY other USB port on
any other computer, copy or move these files to that computer,
using that computer's simplest of file managers, without
destroying the file or refusing to copy/move certain types of
files.

There's no reason to buy a player that must be hacked to play ANY
file. If that company, any company, chooses to hobble its
equipment in cooperation with RIAA or MPAA or USGA (the golf
people) or NASCAR or USMC, they do not want our business. I only
buy from companies who have MY interest at heart. MY interest is
to be able to play ALL the files, ALL the time. I'm sure yours
are, too.

I don't drive cars under the remote control of some cops. I
certainly am not going to drive electronic entertainment devices
under similar remote controls by the music cops.

If a majority of the music listeners would simply refuse to buy
this shit.....it would all go away. I don't know how old you are
or how long you've been playing with PCs, but we went through a
terrible period where every program you were licensed to play had
this goddamned "dongle" that had to be plugged into all the other
dongles on a serial port to make SURE you didn't steal it. Lots
of them simply wouldn't play, dongle or no dongle. The computer-
buying public had had enough. It stopped buying ANY programs
that required some kind of hardware or software key before the
program would run. Software companies went down the tubes for a
while until they FINALLY got the message we, the computer public,
wasn't going to put up with their shit. Software suddenly, as
they starved for cash, came out without the protective nonsense.

I think Billy Gates, multi-billionaire, is feeling this effect
with his new electronic-dongled Vista OS, right now! I'm one who
won't buy it. I didn't buy XP for years because of its locks. I
don't buy software with dongles of any kind, either....no matter
how wonderful it is.....

We're going to see another dongle period very soon. The FCC, in
cooperation with the media money mongers, has allowed them to put
dongles in all your new, wonderful digital TVs! Isn't that
wonderful? Every TV is as addressable as your cable modem. Even
the over-the-air broadcasters, who like the AMPS carriers never
had control of what system your AMPS phone would connect to until
these PRL dongles were invented, has individually-addressable
control of your new TV...right over its transmitter. Wanna watch
the Dallas game on HDTV? Call 1-800-Feed-Me-Money and have your
credit card ready! This is coming, people, PAY OVER-THE-AIR
BROADCASTING they wanted since Dumont put the knobs on the front.
You don't think NASCAR and NFL are going to let you watch it for
free, do you? Not if they can help it.

No ZUNE or other "them" machines, here. No thank you! You still
have a choice....please choose freedom.

We'll now hear from the Sheeple side of the newsgroups....(c;

Larry
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Old 12-11-2007, 02:38 PM
Steve Sobol
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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
On 2007-12-11, Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> Do you have different thicknesses of foil hat for different seasons?


Yes, he does.


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Old 01-16-2008, 08:47 PM
David W Studeman
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On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 10:00:34 -0500, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

> In article <Xns9A01603541E57noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>> Same ol' sleazy SELLphone carriers....

>
> Do you actually own, pay for, and use a device that allows you to have
> voice communication over one of the established cellular telephone
> networks?


I'm not him but I have done this for as long as I can remember. I have a
Nokia N95-3 which CANNOT be bought from any carrier. If your carrier uses
a sim card, throw it in and configure the network. Most phones
autoconfigure these days.


Dave

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Old 01-17-2008, 01:27 AM
John Navas
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On 16 Jan 2008 21:47:28 GMT, David W Studeman
<eat_your_own_spam@hormel.com> wrote in
<478e7b70$0$491$815e3792@news.qwest.net>:

>On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 10:00:34 -0500, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>> In article <Xns9A01603541E57noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
>> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Same ol' sleazy SELLphone carriers....

>>
>> Do you actually own, pay for, and use a device that allows you to have
>> voice communication over one of the established cellular telephone
>> networks?

>
>I'm not him but I have done this for as long as I can remember. I have a
>Nokia N95-3 which CANNOT be bought from any carrier. If your carrier uses
>a sim card, throw it in and configure the network. Most phones
>autoconfigure these days.


Really? I've yet to see one that can autoconfigure data and email
settings.

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