>If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
>T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
>It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
>T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
Can you tell whether it's UMA capable? It talks about WIFI
with no mention of UMA, but...
... but that may, or may not, mean anything.
Thanks.
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__________________________________________________ ___
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com
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On 9/8/2010 6:44 PM, danny burstein wrote:
> In<4c8831fd$0$1601$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> SMS<scharf.steven@geemail.com> writes:
>
>> "http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=us&l=en&dg c=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"
>
>> Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W
>
>> If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
>> T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
>
>> It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
>> T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
>
> Can you tell whether it's UMA capable? It talks about WIFI
> with no mention of UMA, but...
>
> ... but that may, or may not, mean anything.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
At 09 Sep 2010 01:44:35 +0000 danny burstein wrote:
> In <4c8831fd$0$1601$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> SMS
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> writes:
>
>
>"http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04
&c=us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"
>
> >Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W
>
> >If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
> >T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
>
> >It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
> >T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
>
> Can you tell whether it's UMA capable? It talks about WIFI
> with no mention of UMA, but...
>
> ... but that may, or may not, mean anything.
>
> Thanks.
It's not UMA. Even if it were, it wouldn't work on T-Mo- AFAIK, T-Mo
won't give the UMA credentials to anyone, so the very few unlocked non-T-
Mo branded UMA phones that exist (like the HP 510) can't connect to T-
Mo's UMA servers. T-Mo's UMA phones are preconfigured for T-Mo UMA, of
course.
In article <4c8831fd$0$1601$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>"http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=us&l=en&dg c=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"
>
>Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W
>
>If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
>T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
>
>It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
>T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
I've used one of these for a couple of years on AT&T. It's basically a E71
"lite" in a housing that sports more plastic than metal. Actually I chose
it over the E71 because, at the time, there were numerous complaints about
RF performance on the E71 that were variously blamed on the antenna
placement, the metal battery cover, AT&T 3G deployment, etc. (Somehow
those complaints "auto-magically" started disappearing without anyone
saying _why_ they weren't complaining about poor signal levels and dropped
calls anymore...)
It's a very nice phone, and a real bargain at that price. Battery life,
**LOUD** earpiece and ringers, audio quality ... all the real phone stuff
that I find important, are well done. It's just that I, like many others,
am also getting tired of web browsing on a small screen like that.
On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:02:35 -0700, in
<4c8831fd$0$1601$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>"http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=us&l=en&dg c=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"
>
>Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W
>
>If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
>T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
>
>It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
>T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
The specific frequency bands originally defined by the UMTS standard
are 1885–2025 MHz for the mobile-to-base (uplink) and 2110–2200 MHz
for the base-to-mobile (downlink). In the US, 1710–1755 MHz and
2110–2155 MHz will be used instead, as the 1900 MHz band was already
utilized. While UMTS2100 is the most widely-deployed UMTS band,
some countries' UMTS operators use the 850 MHz and/or 1900 MHz bands
(independently, meaning uplink and downlink are within the same
band), notably in the US by AT&T Mobility, New Zealand by Telecom New
Zealand on the XT Mobile Network and in Australia by Telstra on the
Next G network.
--
John
"Facts? We ain't got no facts. We don't need no facts. I don't have
to show you any stinking facts!" [with apologies to John Huston]
In article <8vuh86plim2h87hj1uhssmi1pjivkkkv8g@4ax.com>, John Navas
<spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >>"http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=
> >us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"
> >
> >Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W
> >
> >If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
> >T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
> >
> >It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
> >T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
>
> Wrong again(tm):
nope. he's exactly correct and *you're* wrong (again). from the specs
for that phone, it lists: WCDMA (UMTS) / GSM 850/900/1800/1900
there is no mention of 1700 or aws, which is the 3g that t-mobile uses.
that means that it won't work on 3g if it's used with t-mobile.
On 9/9/2010 9:10 AM, nospam wrote:
> In article<8vuh86plim2h87hj1uhssmi1pjivkkkv8g@4ax.com >, John Navas
> <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>>>> "http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=
>>> us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"
>>>
>>> Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W
>>>
>>> If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
>>> T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
>>>
>>> It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
>>> T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
>>
>> Wrong again(tm):
>
> nope. he's exactly correct and *you're* wrong (again). from the specs
> for that phone, it lists: WCDMA (UMTS) / GSM 850/900/1800/1900
>
> there is no mention of 1700 or aws, which is the 3g that t-mobile uses.
> that means that it won't work on 3g if it's used with t-mobile.
JWOC®, but for a voice phone it's fine, and 2G data will still work on
T-Mobile. No 2100 MHz either so it's not usable in Japan or on any
European 2100 MHz 3G networks either.
Right now I have only a very basic quad band unlocked GSM phone for use
in Europe and Asia, and it has no Wi-Fi. Often I'd like a phone with
Wi-Fi at the trade shows I go to in Asia so I don't have to carry the
netbook. But I think I'll probably stick with my el-cheapo V195 for
voice and carry an iPod Touch for wi-fi since I prefer the larger screen
of the iPod Touch to the E63. What I'd really like to see is some
Android based devices similar to the iPod Touch (including similar in
price), without all the limitations of the iPod devices.
I'll wait for the LTE/GSM Android products before I splurge on an
all-in-one device.
On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 09:39:00 -0700, in
<4c890dac$0$1668$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>On 9/9/2010 9:10 AM, nospam wrote:
>> In article<8vuh86plim2h87hj1uhssmi1pjivkkkv8g@4ax.com >, John Navas
>> <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> "http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=
>>>> us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"
>>>>
>>>> Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W
>>>>
>>>> If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
>>>> T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
>>>>
>>>> It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
>>>> T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
>>>
>>> Wrong again(tm):
>>
>> nope. he's exactly correct and *you're* wrong (again). from the specs
>> for that phone, it lists: WCDMA (UMTS) / GSM 850/900/1800/1900
>>
>> there is no mention of 1700 or aws, which is the 3g that t-mobile uses.
>> that means that it won't work on 3g if it's used with t-mobile.
>
>JWOC®, but for a voice phone it's fine, and 2G data will still work on
>T-Mobile. No 2100 MHz either so it's not usable in Japan or on any
>European 2100 MHz 3G networks either.
>
>Right now I have only a very basic quad band unlocked GSM phone for use
>in Europe and Asia, and it has no Wi-Fi. Often I'd like a phone with
>Wi-Fi at the trade shows I go to in Asia so I don't have to carry the
>netbook. But I think I'll probably stick with my el-cheapo V195 for
>voice and carry an iPod Touch for wi-fi since I prefer the larger screen
>of the iPod Touch to the E63. What I'd really like to see is some
>Android based devices similar to the iPod Touch (including similar in
>price), without all the limitations of the iPod devices.
>
>I'll wait for the LTE/GSM Android products before I splurge on an
>all-in-one device.
In other words, you don't even have relevant experience to back up the
unsupported pronouncements you are making.
--
John
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford
"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:090920100910540826%nospam@nospam.invalid...
> In article <8vuh86plim2h87hj1uhssmi1pjivkkkv8g@4ax.com>, John Navas
> <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >>"http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=
>> >us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"
>> >
>> >Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W
>> >
>> >If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
>> >T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
>> >
>> >It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
>> >T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
>>
>> Wrong again(tm):
>
> nope. he's exactly correct and *you're* wrong (again). from the specs
> for that phone, it lists: WCDMA (UMTS) / GSM 850/900/1800/1900
>
> there is no mention of 1700 or aws, which is the 3g that t-mobile uses.
> that means that it won't work on 3g if it's used with t-mobile.
Gee, after all this time, you'd think you'd have learned to translate
Navaspeak into English, nospam!
The "Wrong againT" doesn't refer to Steven's description of the included
frequencies, but his description of T-Mo's wonky 3G frequency as
"non-standard," which, I assume is an affront to John's T-Mo-centric
sensibilities.
While technically a "standard," finding a phone with T-Mo's AWS frequency
that isn't T-Mo branded, is almost as rare as finding useful information in
a Scharf/Navas Usenet pissing match.
On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:19:44 -0600, in
<_y9io.43950$LL1.6730@newsfe24.iad>, "Todd Allcock"
<elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>
>
>"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>news:090920100910540826%nospam@nospam.invalid.. .
>> In article <8vuh86plim2h87hj1uhssmi1pjivkkkv8g@4ax.com>, John Navas
>> <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >>"http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=
>>> >us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"
>>> >
>>> >Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W
>>> >
>>> >If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
>>> >T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
>>> >
>>> >It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
>>> >T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
>>>
>>> Wrong again(tm):
>>
>> nope. he's exactly correct and *you're* wrong (again). from the specs
>> for that phone, it lists: WCDMA (UMTS) / GSM 850/900/1800/1900
>>
>> there is no mention of 1700 or aws, which is the 3g that t-mobile uses.
>> that means that it won't work on 3g if it's used with t-mobile.
>
>Gee, after all this time, you'd think you'd have learned to translate
>Navaspeak into English, nospam!
>
>The "Wrong againT" doesn't refer to Steven's description of the included
>frequencies, but his description of T-Mo's wonky 3G frequency as
>"non-standard," which, I assume is an affront to John's T-Mo-centric
>sensibilities.
>
>While technically a "standard," finding a phone with T-Mo's AWS frequency
>that isn't T-Mo branded, is almost as rare as finding useful information in
>a Scharf/Navas Usenet pissing match.
Or a civil personal comment on Usenet.
--
John
"Assumption is the mother of all screw ups."
[Wethern’s Law of Suspended Judgement]
In article <_y9io.43950$LL1.6730@newsfe24.iad>, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> >> >If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
> >> >T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
> >> >
> >> >It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
> >> >T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
> >>
> >> Wrong again(tm):
> >
> > nope. he's exactly correct and *you're* wrong (again). from the specs
> > for that phone, it lists: WCDMA (UMTS) / GSM 850/900/1800/1900
> >
> > there is no mention of 1700 or aws, which is the 3g that t-mobile uses.
> > that means that it won't work on 3g if it's used with t-mobile.
>
> Gee, after all this time, you'd think you'd have learned to translate
> Navaspeak into English, nospam!
>
> The "Wrong againT" doesn't refer to Steven's description of the included
> frequencies, but his description of T-Mo's wonky 3G frequency as
> "non-standard," which, I assume is an affront to John's T-Mo-centric
> sensibilities.
sure, it's a standard but it's not as common, making it a defacto
non-standard. perhaps it's hyperbole to refer to it as such, but his
point is that if you want to use it on t-mobile, it's not going to work
on 3g.
> While technically a "standard," finding a phone with T-Mo's AWS frequency
> that isn't T-Mo branded, is almost as rare as finding useful information in
> a Scharf/Navas Usenet pissing match.
> The "Wrong againT" doesn't refer to Steven's description of the included
> frequencies, but his description of T-Mo's wonky 3G frequency as
> "non-standard," which, I assume is an affront to John's T-Mo-centric
> sensibilities.
LOL, so that's what TM stands for "T-Mobile." That's why JWOC® is so
much better!
> While technically a "standard," finding a phone with T-Mo's AWS
> frequency that isn't T-Mo branded, is almost as rare as finding useful
> information in a Scharf/Navas Usenet pissing match.
I've had him kill-filed for years now to remove the temptation to
respond. If there's a pissing match, it's one way. nospam is no doubt
learning the futility of engaging him.
In article <4c8976f3$0$1663$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> I've had him kill-filed for years now to remove the temptation to
> respond. If there's a pissing match, it's one way. nospam is no doubt
> learning the futility of engaging him.
i'm well aware, but his comments sometimes need challenging. he has me
killfiled, which makes it a lot easier.
On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 17:08:10 -0700, in
<4c8976f3$0$1663$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>On 9/9/2010 11:19 AM, Todd Allcock wrote:
>
>> The "Wrong againT" doesn't refer to Steven's description of the included
>> frequencies, but his description of T-Mo's wonky 3G frequency as
>> "non-standard," which, I assume is an affront to John's T-Mo-centric
>> sensibilities.
>
>LOL, so that's what TM stands for "T-Mobile." That's why JWOC® is so
>much better!
>
> > While technically a "standard," finding a phone with T-Mo's AWS
> > frequency that isn't T-Mo branded, is almost as rare as finding useful
> > information in a Scharf/Navas Usenet pissing match.
>
>I've had him kill-filed for years now to remove the temptation to
>respond. If there's a pissing match, it's one way. ...
The record says otherwise. Hoisted with your own petard.
--
John
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford
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