Verizon: The Low Priced Leader for International Roaming!

My child is going on an exchange student program to Taiwan, and while
I'm giving her a phone with a prepaid SIM card, most of the students
won't be able to buy prepaid SIM cards because their sale is very
restricted now.

I checked the international roaming rates in Taiwan, and was rather
shocked to find that Verizon is actually the lowest cost wireless
service in terms of roaming there.

Verizon is $1.29/minute.
T-Mobile is $1.49/minute.
AT&T is $1.99 per minute.
Sprint is $1.99/minute.

When I was in Taiwan last month, I also found that I could actually get
service on CDMA much more readily than GSM, because the GSM
infrastructure cannot handle the volumes of calls in a country as
densely populated as Taiwan (2nd most densely populated country in the
world, but really the most densely populated when you eliminate the
uninhabitable mountainous interior.

In article <47fb03cb$0$36394$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> I checked the international roaming rates in Taiwan, and was rather
> shocked to find that Verizon is actually the lowest cost wireless
> service in terms of roaming there.

They also cripple their phones so that you have to pay them to transfer
wallpaper and ringtones.

And LG stands for Lotsa Garbage.

rag@nospam.techline.com (Mr. Strat) wrote in
news:080420080501155775%rag@nospam.techline.com:

> In article <47fb03cb$0$36394$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
><scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> I checked the international roaming rates in Taiwan, and was rather
>> shocked to find that Verizon is actually the lowest cost wireless
>> service in terms of roaming there.
>
> They also cripple their phones so that you have to pay them to
> transfer wallpaper and ringtones.

Perhaps, but many people use their phones to make phone calls.

--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com

Bert Hyman wrote:
> rag@nospam.techline.com (Mr. Strat) wrote in
> news:080420080501155775%rag@nospam.techline.com:
>
>> In article <47fb03cb$0$36394$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
>> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I checked the international roaming rates in Taiwan, and was rather
>>> shocked to find that Verizon is actually the lowest cost wireless
>>> service in terms of roaming there.
>> They also cripple their phones so that you have to pay them to
>> transfer wallpaper and ringtones.
>
> Perhaps, but many people use their phones to make phone calls.
>

Zap!!!!!!

Bert Hyman wrote:
> rag@nospam.techline.com (Mr. Strat) wrote in
> news:080420080501155775%rag@nospam.techline.com:
>
>> In article <47fb03cb$0$36394$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
>> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I checked the international roaming rates in Taiwan, and was rather
>>> shocked to find that Verizon is actually the lowest cost wireless
>>> service in terms of roaming there.
>> They also cripple their phones so that you have to pay them to
>> transfer wallpaper and ringtones.
>
> Perhaps, but many people use their phones to make phone calls.

One reason I buy Motorola phones on Verizon is because uncrippling them
is easy. Occasionally I want to transfer a photo from the phone to the
computer.

But it's true that many people get so carried away with crap like
ringtones and wallpaper that they forget to think about the network
coverage.

Judging from churn, net retail additions, and total number of postpaid
retail customers, all areas where Verizon consistently beats the
competition, more people care about coverage than about ringtones!

In article <47fb03cb$0$36394$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>I checked the international roaming rates in Taiwan, and was rather
>shocked to find that Verizon is actually the lowest cost wireless
>service in terms of roaming there.

So why are you posting this in a newsgroup concerned with T-Mobile?

Art

Arthur Shapiro wrote:
> In article <47fb03cb$0$36394$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> I checked the international roaming rates in Taiwan, and was rather
>> shocked to find that Verizon is actually the lowest cost wireless
>> service in terms of roaming there.
>
> So why are you posting this in a newsgroup concerned with T-Mobile?
>
> Art

Read the original post and I'm sure that you'll be able to figure it out.

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:47fb03cb$0$36394
$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

> I checked the international roaming rates in Taiwan, and was rather
> shocked to find that Verizon is actually the lowest cost wireless
> service in terms of roaming there.
>
> Verizon is $1.29/minute.
> T-Mobile is $1.49/minute.
> AT&T is $1.99 per minute.
> Sprint is $1.99/minute.
>
>

WRONG! Verizon may be the lowest priced AMERICAN SELLPHONE service, but
is hardly the lowest price WIRELESS provider.

Case in point:
Skype is $0.021/minute in Taiwan
Free if you're calling any other Skyper on the planet.

Quite a difference between the WIRELES carriers and the SELLPHONE
carriers.

Taiwan to your home is 2.1c/min, too! Taiwan is eat up with free wifi
all over the place to make it happen.

Destination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD incl. VAT
Taiwan $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Taiwan - Mobile $ 0.101 $ 0.116
Taiwan - Toll Free $ 0.000 $ 0.000
Taiwan-Taipei $ 0.021 $ 0.024

http://www.jiwire.com/browse-hotspot-taiwan-tw.htm
4,413 wifi hotspots

There's 2,750 in Taipeh, alone! You only need 1 for Skype and Skype
voicemail.

$1.29/minute is highway robbery!

If someone dials your SkypeIn number back home, or in any of the other
19 countries you can buy a $24/year (with Skype Pro $3/mo subscription)
SkypeIn number in, your Skype will ring in Taiwan, if you're
online....or Skype Voicemail will take a message until you are online,
if you're not.

http://www.wimaxday.net/site/2006/08...-for-wimax-in-
taiwan/
Of course, if you MUST talk and walk, Taiwan has WiMax for you...(c;
Asia is the prime target for Nokia's new N810WE Wimax-enabled Linux
internet tablets.....as America does its usual corporate footdragging on
implementation....

$1.29/minute plus all those other addons....yecch!

Of course, you MAY want to call from Taiwan to someplace ELSE:
A tiny initial connection fee of 3.9c/call applies:
Destination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD incl. VAT
Afghanistan $ 0.355 $ 0.408
Albania $ 0.169 $ 0.194
Albania - Mobile $ 0.200 $ 0.230
Algeria $ 0.168 $ 0.193
Algeria - Mobile $ 0.153 $ 0.176
Algeria-Algiers $ 0.168 $ 0.193
Andorra $ 0.051 $ 0.059
Andorra - Mobile $ 0.228 $ 0.262
Angola $ 0.175 $ 0.201
Angola - Mobile $ 0.253 $ 0.291
Anguilla $ 0.175 $ 0.201
Antigua Barbuda $ 0.180 $ 0.207
Argentina $ 0.032 $ 0.037
Argentina - Mobile $ 0.172 $ 0.198
Argentina-Buenos Aires $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Argentina-Cordoba $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Armenia $ 0.096 $ 0.110
Armenia - Mobile $ 0.239 $ 0.275
Armenia-Erevan $ 0.074 $ 0.085
Aruba $ 0.164 $ 0.189
Aruba - Mobile $ 0.239 $ 0.275
Ascension $ 0.499 $ 0.574
Australia $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Australia - Mobile $ 0.203 $ 0.233
Australia - Toll Free $ 0.000 $ 0.000
Australia-Canberra $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Australia-Shared Cost $ 0.247 $ 0.284
Australia-Special Service $ 0.068 $ 0.078
Australia-Sydney $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Australian Ex Territories $ 0.678 $ 0.780
Austria $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Austria - Mobile $ 0.270 $ 0.311
Austria - Mobile - Telering $ 0.320 $ 0.368
Austria - Toll Free $ 0.000 $ 0.000
Azerbaijan $ 0.212 $ 0.244
Azerbaijan - Mobile $ 0.237 $ 0.273
BABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
Bahamas $ 0.089 $ 0.102
Bahrain $ 0.243 $ 0.279
Bangladesh $ 0.136 $ 0.156
Bangladesh - Mobile $ 0.136 $ 0.156
Bangladesh-Chittagong $ 0.149 $ 0.171
Bangladesh-Dhaka $ 0.149 $ 0.171
Bangladesh-Sylhet $ 0.127 $ 0.146
Barbados $ 0.200 $ 0.230
Belarus $ 0.246 $ 0.283
Belarus - Mobile $ 0.277 $ 0.319
Belarus-Minsk $ 0.246 $ 0.283
Belgium $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Belgium - Mobile $ 0.260 $ 0.299
Belgium - Mobile - Proximus $ 0.176 $ 0.202
Belize $ 0.219 $ 0.252
Benin $ 0.149 $ 0.171
Bermuda $ 0.103 $ 0.118
Bhutan $ 0.224 $ 0.258
Bolivia $ 0.148 $ 0.170
Bolivia - Mobile $ 0.169 $ 0.194
Bolivia-Cochabamba $ 0.122 $ 0.140
Bolivia-La Paz $ 0.122 $ 0.140
Bolivia-Santa Cruz $ 0.122 $ 0.140
Bosnia and Herzegovina $ 0.203 $ 0.233
Bosnia and Herzegovina - Mobile $ 0.303 $ 0.348
Botswana $ 0.153 $ 0.176
Botswana - Mobile $ 0.223 $ 0.256
Brazil $ 0.054 $ 0.062
Brazil - Mobile $ 0.213 $ 0.245
Brazil-Rio de Janeiro $ 0.033 $ 0.038
Brazil-Sao Paulo $ 0.026 $ 0.030
Brunei Darussalam $ 0.073 $ 0.084
Brunei Darussalam - Mobile $ 0.071 $ 0.082
Bulgaria $ 0.068 $ 0.078
Bulgaria - Mobile $ 0.265 $ 0.305
Bulgaria-Sofia $ 0.031 $ 0.036
Burkina Faso $ 0.188 $ 0.216
Burkina Faso - Mobile $ 0.374 $ 0.430
Burundi $ 0.154 $ 0.177
Burundi - Mobile $ 0.142 $ 0.163
CABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
Cambodia $ 0.288 $ 0.331
Cambodia - Mobile $ 0.260 $ 0.299
Cameroon $ 0.285 $ 0.328
Cameroon - Mobile $ 0.273 $ 0.314
Canada $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Cape Verde $ 0.303 $ 0.348
Cayman Islands $ 0.225 $ 0.259
Central Africa $ 0.196 $ 0.225
Chad $ 0.313 $ 0.360
Chile $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Chile - Mobile $ 0.211 $ 0.243
Chile-Santiago $ 0.021 $ 0.024
China $ 0.021 $ 0.024
China - Mobile $ 0.021 $ 0.024
China-Beijing $ 0.021 $ 0.024
China-Guangzhou $ 0.021 $ 0.024
China-Shanghai $ 0.021 $ 0.024
China-Shenzhen $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Colombia $ 0.095 $ 0.109
Colombia - Mobile $ 0.099 $ 0.114
Colombia-Armenia $ 0.095 $ 0.109
Colombia-Barranquilla $ 0.051 $ 0.059
Colombia-Bogota $ 0.051 $ 0.059
Colombia-Cali $ 0.051 $ 0.059
Colombia-Medellin $ 0.095 $ 0.109
Colombia-Pereira $ 0.095 $ 0.109
Comoros and Mayotte $ 0.398 $ 0.458
Congo $ 0.180 $ 0.207
Congo Dem Rep $ 0.355 $ 0.408
Congo Dem Rep - Mobile $ 0.313 $ 0.360
Cook Islands $ 0.862 $ 0.991
Costa Rica $ 0.064 $ 0.074
Costa Rica - Mobile $ 0.080 $ 0.092
Cote d'Ivoire $ 0.206 $ 0.237
Cote d'Ivoire - Mobile $ 0.244 $ 0.281
Croatia $ 0.053 $ 0.061
Croatia - Mobile $ 0.221 $ 0.254
Cuba $ 1.025 $ 1.179
Cyprus $ 0.059 $ 0.068
Cyprus - Mobile $ 0.074 $ 0.085
Czech Republic $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Czech Republic - Mobile $ 0.185 $ 0.213
Czech Republic-Prague $ 0.021 $ 0.024
DABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
Denmark $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Denmark - Mobile $ 0.246 $ 0.283
Denmark - Shared Cost $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Diego Garcia $ 1.863 $ 2.142
Djibouti $ 0.371 $ 0.427
Dominica $ 0.184 $ 0.212
Dominican Republic $ 0.087 $ 0.100
Dominican Republic - Mobile $ 0.172 $ 0.198
EABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
East Timor $ 1.441 $ 1.657
Ecuador $ 0.150 $ 0.173
Ecuador - Mobile $ 0.240 $ 0.276
Ecuador-Cuenca $ 0.169 $ 0.194
Ecuador-Guayaquil $ 0.169 $ 0.194
Ecuador-Quito $ 0.169 $ 0.194
Egypt $ 0.185 $ 0.213
Egypt - Mobile $ 0.150 $ 0.173
Egypt-Cairo $ 0.185 $ 0.213
El Salvador $ 0.126 $ 0.145
El Salvador - Mobile $ 0.148 $ 0.170
Equatorial Guinea $ 0.290 $ 0.334
Eritrea $ 0.381 $ 0.438
Estonia $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Estonia - Mobile $ 0.280 $ 0.322
Estonia - Personal Number $ 0.561 $ 0.645
Ethiopia $ 0.458 $ 0.527
Ethiopia - Mobile $ 0.363 $ 0.417
FABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
Falkland Islands $ 0.679 $ 0.781
Faroe Islands $ 0.191 $ 0.220
Faroe Islands - Mobile $ 0.240 $ 0.276
Fiji $ 0.287 $ 0.330
Finland $ 0.031 $ 0.036
Finland - Corporate $ 0.042 $ 0.048
Finland - Mobile $ 0.203 $ 0.233
Finland - Service $ 0.087 $ 0.100
Finland-Helsinki $ 0.031 $ 0.036
France $ 0.021 $ 0.024
France - Mobile $ 0.203 $ 0.233
France - Shared Cost $ 0.208 $ 0.239
France Premium Rate - 0891 $ 0.343 $ 0.394
France Premium Rate - 0892 $ 0.446 $ 0.513
France Premium Rate - 0893 $ 0.446 $ 0.513
France-Paris $ 0.021 $ 0.024
France-Toll Free $ 0.000 $ 0.000
French Guiana $ 0.257 $ 0.296
French Guiana - Mobile $ 0.327 $ 0.376
French Polynesia $ 0.281 $ 0.323
GABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
Gabon $ 0.168 $ 0.193
Gambia $ 0.264 $ 0.304
Gambia - Mobile $ 0.315 $ 0.362
Georgia $ 0.087 $ 0.100
Georgia - Mobile $ 0.195 $ 0.224
Germany $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Germany - Mobile (Others) $ 0.246 $ 0.283
Germany - Mobile Tmobil $ 0.246 $ 0.283
Germany - Mobile Vodafone $ 0.246 $ 0.283
Germany - Toll Free $ 0.000 $ 0.000
Ghana $ 0.153 $ 0.176
Ghana - Mobile $ 0.166 $ 0.191
Ghana-Accra $ 0.153 $ 0.176
Gibraltar $ 0.062 $ 0.071
Gibraltar - Mobile $ 0.296 $ 0.340
Greece $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Greece - Mobile - Cosmote $ 0.230 $ 0.265
Greece - Mobile - Others $ 0.230 $ 0.265
Greece - Mobile - Q Telecom $ 0.372 $ 0.428
Greece - Mobile - Telestet $ 0.230 $ 0.265
Greece - Mobile - Vodafone $ 0.230 $ 0.265
Greece-Athens $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Greenland $ 0.575 $ 0.661
Greenland - Mobile $ 0.526 $ 0.605
Grenada $ 0.197 $ 0.227
Grenada - Mobile $ 0.197 $ 0.227
Guadeloupe $ 0.095 $ 0.109
Guadeloupe - Mobile $ 0.313 $ 0.360
Guam $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Guatemala $ 0.153 $ 0.176
Guatemala - Mobile $ 0.153 $ 0.176
Guinea $ 0.181 $ 0.208
Guinea-Bissau $ 1.082 $ 1.244
Guyana $ 0.376 $ 0.432
HABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
Haiti $ 0.246 $ 0.283
Haiti - Mobile $ 0.246 $ 0.283
Honduras $ 0.362 $ 0.416
Honduras - Mobile $ 0.386 $ 0.444
Hong Kong $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Hong Kong - Mobile $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Hungary $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Hungary - Mobile $ 0.218 $ 0.251
Hungary-Budapest $ 0.021 $ 0.024
IABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
Iceland $ 0.031 $ 0.036
Iceland - Mobile $ 0.292 $ 0.336
India $ 0.154 $ 0.177
India - Mobile $ 0.170 $ 0.196
India-Ahmedabad $ 0.154 $ 0.177
India-Bangalore $ 0.170 $ 0.196
India-Hyderabad $ 0.154 $ 0.177
India-Madras $ 0.154 $ 0.177
India-New Delhi $ 0.154 $ 0.177
Indonesia $ 0.092 $ 0.106
Indonesia - Mobile $ 0.154 $ 0.177
Indonesia-Jakarta $ 0.041 $ 0.047
Iran $ 0.133 $ 0.153
Iran - Mobile $ 0.168 $ 0.193
Iran-Tehran $ 0.243 $ 0.279
Iraq $ 0.372 $ 0.428
Ireland $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Ireland - Mobile $ 0.197 $ 0.227
Ireland - Shared Cost $ 0.261 $ 0.300
Ireland-Dublin $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Israel $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Israel - Jerusalem $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Israel - Mobile $ 0.136 $ 0.156
Israel - Mobile - Palestine Region $ 0.257 $ 0.296
Israel - Palestine Region $ 0.249 $ 0.286
Italy $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Italy - Mobile $ 0.308 $ 0.354
JABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
Jamaica $ 0.126 $ 0.145
Jamaica - Mobile $ 0.224 $ 0.258
Japan $ 0.023 $ 0.026
Japan - Mobile $ 0.154 $ 0.177
Japan - VOIP $ 0.154 $ 0.177
Jordan $ 0.203 $ 0.233
Jordan - Mobile $ 0.230 $ 0.265
KABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
Kazakhstan $ 0.175 $ 0.201
Kazakhstan - Mobile $ 0.184 $ 0.212
Kenya $ 0.245 $ 0.282
Kenya - Mobile $ 0.347 $ 0.399
Kenya-Mombasa $ 0.225 $ 0.259
Kenya-Nairobi $ 0.225 $ 0.259
Kiribati $ 0.756 $ 0.869
Korea Dem People's Rep $ 0.684 $ 0.787
Korea Republic of $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Korea Republic of - Mobile $ 0.073 $ 0.084
Korea Republic of-Seoul $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Kuwait $ 0.122 $ 0.140
Kuwait - Mobile $ 0.122 $ 0.140
Kyrgyzstan $ 0.123 $ 0.141
Kyrgyzstan - Mobile $ 0.137 $ 0.158
LABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
Laos PDR $ 0.117 $ 0.135
Latvia $ 0.064 $ 0.074
Latvia - Mobile $ 0.191 $ 0.220
Lebanon $ 0.123 $ 0.141
Lebanon - Mobile $ 0.245 $ 0.282
Lesotho $ 0.383 $ 0.440
Lesotho - Mobile $ 0.357 $ 0.411
Liberia $ 0.224 $ 0.258
Libya $ 0.291 $ 0.335
Libya - Mobile $ 0.291 $ 0.335
Liechtenstein $ 0.055 $ 0.063
Liechtenstein - Mobile $ 0.493 $ 0.567
Lithuania $ 0.064 $ 0.074
Lithuania - Mobile $ 0.191 $ 0.220
Luxembourg $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Luxembourg - Mobile $ 0.243 $ 0.279
MABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
Macao $ 0.062 $ 0.071
Macao - Mobile $ 0.091 $ 0.105
Macedonia $ 0.217 $ 0.250
Macedonia - Mobile $ 0.365 $ 0.420
Madagascar $ 0.288 $ 0.331
Madagascar - Mobile $ 0.288 $ 0.331
Malawi $ 0.086 $ 0.099
Malaysia $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Malaysia - Mobile $ 0.058 $ 0.067
Malaysia-Kuala Lumpur $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Maldives $ 0.288 $ 0.331
Mali $ 0.271 $ 0.312
Mali-Bamako $ 0.265 $ 0.305
Malta $ 0.153 $ 0.176
Malta - Mobile $ 0.235 $ 0.270
Marshall Islands $ 0.389 $ 0.447
Martinique $ 0.296 $ 0.340
Martinique - Mobile $ 0.296 $ 0.340
Mauritania $ 0.312 $ 0.359
Mauritius $ 0.209 $ 0.240
Mexico $ 0.099 $ 0.114
Mexico - Mobile $ 0.336 $ 0.386
Mexico-Guadalajara $ 0.031 $ 0.036
Mexico-Mexico City $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Mexico-Monterrey $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Micronesia $ 0.344 $ 0.396
Moldova $ 0.150 $ 0.173
Moldova - Mobile $ 0.222 $ 0.255
Monaco $ 0.044 $ 0.051
Monaco - Mobile $ 0.242 $ 0.278
Monaco - Mobile-EX, KFOR $ 0.308 $ 0.354
Mongolia $ 0.208 $ 0.239
Montenegro $ 0.115 $ 0.132
Montenegro - Mobile $ 0.257 $ 0.296
Montserrat $ 0.259 $ 0.298
Morocco $ 0.257 $ 0.296
Morocco - Mobile $ 0.335 $ 0.385
Morocco-Casablanca $ 0.257 $ 0.296
Morocco-Rabat $ 0.257 $ 0.296
Mozambique $ 0.172 $ 0.198
Mozambique - Mobile $ 0.164 $ 0.189
Myanmar $ 0.394 $ 0.453
NABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
Namibia $ 0.205 $ 0.236
Nauru $ 0.983 $ 1.130
Nepal $ 0.339 $ 0.390
Nepal-Kathmandu $ 0.306 $ 0.352
Netherlands $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Netherlands - Mobile $ 0.271 $ 0.312
Netherlands - Toll Free $ 0.000 $ 0.000
Netherlands Antilles $ 0.170 $ 0.196
New Caledonia $ 0.354 $ 0.407
New Zealand $ 0.021 $ 0.024
New Zealand - Mobile $ 0.310 $ 0.357
Nicaragua $ 0.216 $ 0.248
Nicaragua - Mobile $ 0.225 $ 0.259
Niger $ 0.176 $ 0.202
Nigeria $ 0.161 $ 0.185
Nigeria - Mobile - ECONET $ 0.254 $ 0.292
Nigeria - Mobile - Globacom $ 0.254 $ 0.292
Nigeria - Mobile - MTN $ 0.254 $ 0.292
Nigeria - Mobile - Others $ 0.254 $ 0.292
Nigeria-Lagos $ 0.117 $ 0.135
Niue Islands $ 1.090 $ 1.254
Northern Mariana $ 0.042 $ 0.048
Norway $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Norway - Mobile $ 0.212 $ 0.244
Norway - Shared Cost $ 0.022 $ 0.025
OABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
Oman $ 0.185 $ 0.213
PABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
Pakistan $ 0.143 $ 0.164
Pakistan - Mobile $ 0.143 $ 0.164
Pakistan-Islamabad $ 0.143 $ 0.164
Pakistan-Karachi $ 0.143 $ 0.164
Pakistan-Lahore $ 0.143 $ 0.164
Palau $ 0.419 $ 0.482
Palestinian Authority $ 0.229 $ 0.263
Panama $ 0.107 $ 0.123
Panama - Mobile $ 0.193 $ 0.222
Papua New Guinea $ 0.801 $ 0.921
Paraguay $ 0.150 $ 0.173
Paraguay - Mobile $ 0.229 $ 0.263
Paraguay-Asuncion $ 0.122 $ 0.140
Peru $ 0.079 $ 0.091
Peru - Mobile $ 0.306 $ 0.352
Peru-Lima $ 0.030 $ 0.035
Philippines $ 0.198 $ 0.228
Philippines - Mobile $ 0.249 $ 0.286
Philippines-Cebu $ 0.198 $ 0.228
Philippines-Manila $ 0.198 $ 0.228
Poland $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Poland - Mobile $ 0.246 $ 0.283
Poland-Gdansk $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Poland-Toll Free $ 0.000 $ 0.000
Poland-Warsaw $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Portugal $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Portugal - Mobile $ 0.286 $ 0.329
Puerto Rico $ 0.021 $ 0.024
QABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
Qatar $ 0.376 $ 0.432
Qatar - Mobile $ 0.378 $ 0.435
RABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
Reunion $ 0.155 $ 0.178
Reunion - Mobile $ 0.287 $ 0.330
Romania $ 0.124 $ 0.143
Romania - Mobile $ 0.291 $ 0.335
Romania-Bucharest $ 0.099 $ 0.114
Russia $ 0.048 $ 0.055
Russia - Mobile $ 0.071 $ 0.082
Russia-Moscow $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Russia-St Petersburg $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Rwanda $ 0.192 $ 0.221
SABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
Samoa American $ 0.099 $ 0.114
Samoa Western $ 0.394 $ 0.453
San Marino $ 0.036 $ 0.041
Sao Tome and Principe $ 1.195 $ 1.374
Saudi Arabia $ 0.245 $ 0.282
Saudi Arabia - Mobile $ 0.264 $ 0.304
Saudi Arabia-Jeddah $ 0.185 $ 0.213
Saudi Arabia-Makkah $ 0.185 $ 0.213
Saudi Arabia-Riyadh $ 0.185 $ 0.213
Senegal $ 0.234 $ 0.269
Senegal - Mobile $ 0.261 $ 0.300
Serbia $ 0.115 $ 0.132
Serbia - Mobile $ 0.257 $ 0.296
Serbia-Belgrade $ 0.115 $ 0.132
Seychelles $ 0.287 $ 0.330
Sierra Leone $ 0.299 $ 0.344
Singapore $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Singapore - Mobile $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Slovakia $ 0.068 $ 0.078
Slovakia - Mobile $ 0.214 $ 0.246
Slovenia $ 0.064 $ 0.074
Slovenia - Mobile $ 0.294 $ 0.338
Solomon Islands $ 1.153 $ 1.326
Somalia $ 0.691 $ 0.795
South Africa $ 0.068 $ 0.078
South Africa - Mobile $ 0.233 $ 0.268
South Africa-Cape Town $ 0.068 $ 0.078
South Africa-Johannesburg $ 0.068 $ 0.078
Spain $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Spain - Mobile $ 0.271 $ 0.312
Spain - Mobile - Orange $ 0.271 $ 0.312
Spain-Barcelona $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Spain-Madrid $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Sri Lanka $ 0.148 $ 0.170
Sri Lanka - Mobile $ 0.148 $ 0.170
St Helena $ 1.395 $ 1.604
St Kitts and Nevis $ 0.233 $ 0.268
St Lucia $ 0.249 $ 0.286
St Pierre and Miquelon $ 0.238 $ 0.274
St Vincent Grenadines $ 0.249 $ 0.286
Sudan $ 0.254 $ 0.292
Suriname $ 0.288 $ 0.331
Suriname - Mobile $ 0.285 $ 0.328
Swaziland $ 0.148 $ 0.170
Sweden $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Sweden - Mobile $ 0.292 $ 0.336
Sweden - Mobile (Telia) $ 0.292 $ 0.336
Sweden - Shared Cost $ 0.040 $ 0.046
Sweden-Stockhom $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Switzerland $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Switzerland - Mobile $ 0.367 $ 0.422
Switzerland-Freephone $ 0.023 $ 0.026
Syria $ 0.375 $ 0.431
Syria - Mobile $ 0.375 $ 0.431
TABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
Taiwan $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Taiwan - Mobile $ 0.101 $ 0.116
Taiwan - Toll Free $ 0.000 $ 0.000
Taiwan-Taipei $ 0.021 $ 0.024
Tajikistan $ 0.186 $ 0.214
Tanzania $ 0.306 $ 0.352
Tanzania - Mobile $ 0.285 $ 0.328
Tanzania-Dar es Salaam $ 0.254 $ 0.292
Thailand $ 0.113 $ 0.130
Thailand - Mobile $ 0.115 $ 0.132
Thailand-Bangkok $ 0.062 $ 0.071
Togo $ 0.238 $ 0.274
Tokelau $ 0.974 $ 1.120
Tonga $ 0.320 $ 0.368
Trinidad and Tobago $ 0.148 $ 0.170
Trinidad and Tobago - Mobile $ 0.341 $ 0.392
Tunisia $ 0.250 $ 0.288
Tunisia-Tunis $ 0.250 $ 0.288
Turkey $ 0.137 $ 0.158
Turkey - Cyprus North $ 0.131 $ 0.151
Turkey - Mobile - Others $ 0.213 $ 0.245
Turkey - Mobile - Telsim $ 0.213 $ 0.245
Turkey - Mobile - Turkcell $ 0.213 $ 0.245
Turkey-Ankara $ 0.137 $ 0.158
Turkey-Antalya $ 0.137 $ 0.158
Turkey-Istanbul $ 0.068 $ 0.078
Turkey-Izmir $ 0.137 $ 0.158
Turkmenistan $ 0.200 $ 0.230
Turks and Caicos $ 0.174 $ 0.200
Turks and Caicos - Mobile $ 0.311 $ 0.358
Tuvalu $ 0.711 $ 0.818
UABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
USA $ 0.021 $ 0.024
USA-Alaska $ 0.056 $ 0.064
USA-Hawaii $ 0.021 $ 0.024
USA-Toll Free $ 0.000 $ 0.000
Uganda $ 0.150 $ 0.173
Uganda - Mobile $ 0.150 $ 0.173
Ukraine $ 0.134 $ 0.154
Ukraine - Mobile $ 0.186 $ 0.214
Ukraine-Kiev $ 0.134 $ 0.154
Ukraine-Lviv $ 0.134 $ 0.154
United Arab Emirates $ 0.269 $ 0.309
United Arab Emirates - Mobile $ 0.262 $ 0.301
United Arab Emirates-Dubai $ 0.269 $ 0.309
United Kingdom $ 0.021 $ 0.024
United Kingdom - Mobile - Hutchison3G $ 0.253 $ 0.291
United Kingdom - Mobile - O2 $ 0.253 $ 0.291
United Kingdom - Mobile - Orange $ 0.253 $ 0.291
United Kingdom - Mobile - Others $ 0.253 $ 0.291
United Kingdom - Mobile - Tmobile $ 0.253 $ 0.291
United Kingdom - Mobile - Vodafone $ 0.253 $ 0.291
United Kingdom - Premium Rate - Band 1 $ 0.486 $ 0.559
United Kingdom - Premium Rate - Band 2 $ 0.971 $ 1.117
United Kingdom - Premium Rate - Band 3 $ 1.457 $ 1.676
United Kingdom - Premium Rate - Band 4 $ 2.428 $ 2.792
United Kingdom - Premium Rate - Band 5 $ 2.914 $ 3.351
United Kingdom-London $ 0.021 $ 0.024
United Kingdom-Shared Cost-0844 $ 0.118 $ 0.136
United Kingdom-Shared Cost-0845 $ 0.128 $ 0.147
United Kingdom-Shared Cost-0870 $ 0.181 $ 0.208
United Kingdom-Shared Cost-0871 $ 0.227 $ 0.261
United Kingdom-Toll Free $ 0.000 $ 0.000
Uruguay $ 0.126 $ 0.145
Uruguay - Mobile $ 0.255 $ 0.293
Uruguay-Montevideo $ 0.126 $ 0.145
Uzbekistan $ 0.119 $ 0.137
VABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
Vanuatu $ 0.806 $ 0.927
Vatican City $ 0.032 $ 0.037
Venezuela $ 0.052 $ 0.060
Venezuela - Mobile $ 0.203 $ 0.233
Venezuela-Caracas $ 0.031 $ 0.036
Vietnam $ 0.329 $ 0.378
Vietnam - Mobile $ 0.329 $ 0.378
Virgin Islands British $ 0.119 $ 0.137
Virgin Islands United States $ 0.058 $ 0.067
WABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
Wallis and Futuna $ 0.823 $ 0.946
YABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
Yemen $ 0.197 $ 0.227
ZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZDestination · Rate/minute USD excl. VAT USD
incl. VAT
Zambia $ 0.116 $ 0.133
Zambia - Mobile $ 0.243 $ 0.279
Zimbabwe $ 0.089 $ 0.102
Zimbabwe - Mobile $ 0.327 $ 0.376

You never know when you're in Taiwan, you may want to call Vanuatu to
check on your grass hut!

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:47fb03cb$0$36394
$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

> My child is going on an exchange student program to Taiwan, and while
> I'm giving her a phone with a prepaid SIM card, most of the students
> won't be able to buy prepaid SIM cards because their sale is very
> restricted now.
>

I bet your child has FREE internet service at the school.....

IF you put SKYPE on his/her laptop on their own account and on your
computers at home, you can talk 24/7 for FREE!....even with full motion
color VIDEO!

Sure much cheaper than all those SELLphone charges that phone in Taiwan is
going to crank out....yecch.

In alt.cellular.attws Mr. Strat <rag@nospam.techline.com> wrote:
> In article <47fb03cb$0$36394$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> I checked the international roaming rates in Taiwan, and was rather
>> shocked to find that Verizon is actually the lowest cost wireless
>> service in terms of roaming there.
>
> They also cripple their phones so that you have to pay them to transfer
> wallpaper and ringtones.
>
> And LG stands for Lotsa Garbage.

Troll. Your statement has absolutely no bearing on this subject in even the
remotest reference.

--
Thomas T. Veldhouse

In the land of the dark the Ship of the Sun is driven by the Grateful Dead.
-- Egyptian Book of the Dead

Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> In alt.cellular.attws Mr. Strat <rag@nospam.techline.com> wrote:
>> In article <47fb03cb$0$36394$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
>> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I checked the international roaming rates in Taiwan, and was rather
>>> shocked to find that Verizon is actually the lowest cost wireless
>>> service in terms of roaming there.
>> They also cripple their phones so that you have to pay them to transfer
>> wallpaper and ringtones.
>>
>> And LG stands for Lotsa Garbage.
>
> Troll. Your statement has absolutely no bearing on this subject in even the
> remotest reference.

Thomas, you really need to get with the program and add
"rag@nospam.techline.com" to your kill-file, as most others have done.

On 2008-04-08, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> When I was in Taiwan last month, I also found that I could actually get
> service on CDMA much more readily than GSM, because the GSM
> infrastructure cannot handle the volumes of calls in a country as
> densely populated as Taiwan (2nd most densely populated country in the
> world, but really the most densely populated when you eliminate the
> uninhabitable mountainous interior.

I think you might be making too big a leap from a particular
experience you had to the general conclusion that "GSM cannot handle
this". I also think the "2nd most densely populated" statistic must have
some conditions attached you aren't mentioning since small countries
like Singapore and Monaco have much, much higher average population
densities than bigger places like Taiwan or whichever country is
number one in your list (is it Bangladesh?). More than this, in
terms of urban population density Taiwan's low-rise cities aren't
in the same league as some of its high-rise near neighbours.
Macau's average population density, at 20,000 people per square
kilometer over the whole territory, exceeds the densest part of
Taipei, while the most densely populated neighbourhood on the planet
is Mong Kok, in Hong Kong, at almost 60,000 residents per square
kilometer plus lots more who come for the shopping.

In addition to the highest density urban neighbourhoods anywhere,
Hong Kong in particular also has (nearly?) the highest mobile
phone penetration rate, at 10 million active accounts with
a population of 7 million people, and, with 5 or 6 competitive
carriers, some of the lowest per-minute mobile rates anywhere
(last time I was there the low-ball come-on price for a contract
plan was under $6/month for 800 minutes and $9/month for 2000
minutes). Everyone there has a mobile phone and no one is shy
about using it. Yet despite the extreme population densities and
the high rate of mobile phone use I have never been anywhere
in the urban parts of Hong Kong where the cell phone coverage
wasn't just excellent, both outside and inside. I've never
seen capacity problems, seldom have had a call drop that I
remember even in tunnels on the subway or the bus, never had
a call go directly to voicemail without ringing my phone,
nothing. I've also attended very large conventions in Hong Kong,
at both convention centers, and never had a problem with the phone.
And they are pretty much all GSM phones in Hong Kong; there's
a CDMA network but I don't think the company which owns it
even sells phones for it any more.

Now if I recall correctly you are basing your opinion on your
experience at a convention in a facility so new that your's
was only the second event held there. Rather than assuming
that GSM can't handle the call volume I think a more reasonable
explanation might be that the phone company just hadn't yet
got around to installing the capacity necessary to service the
crowds that particular brand new venue is now attracting. If
GSM had issues with density that would bother Taiwan urban
areas there are other places which would have experienced those
limitations a long time ago, and they haven't.

Dennis Ferguson

Dennis Ferguson wrote:

> I also think the "2nd most densely populated" statistic must have
> some conditions attached you aren't mentioning since small countries
> like Singapore and Monaco have much, much higher average population
> densities than bigger places like Taiwan or whichever country is
> number one in your list (is it Bangladesh?).

Yes.

Okay, I left out city-states like Singapore, as well as places like
Monaco and Vatican City, as well as very small islands like Nauru,
Bermuda, Malta, Maldives, and Bahrain.

Of "real" countries, Bangladesh is the most densely populated, and
Taiwan is second.

Macau isn't a country, nor is Hong Kong. Both are part of China (of
course China claims that Taiwan is also part of China!).

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:47fbed61$0$36349
$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

> Bahrain

Ah, great island kingdom! Been there, 3 times! If you stay at Middle East
Hotel, you'll be right across the street from the boxing stadium and easy
walking distance to the souk for shopping. It's not much to look at, but
the Indians who run it give first class service. Let them rent your car
for you and save-save-save..(c;

Good cold store right around the corner past the pharmacy. Down that
street to the head end of the gold souk, with so much gold jewelry it's
staggering....22K real gold!

The golf course is in the desert, so you have to carry around your own
square of Astroturf for driving to the beautifully manicured greens. Don't
miss the horse racing! Bahrain's racetrack is first class. If any Arab
wants to bet on those horses, be smart....RUN! They are also, recently,
into Formula 1 motor racing, the new national sport.

US Navy turned down my suggestion for a permanent Electronics/Electric shop
to service the ships so I could stay in the kingdom......dammit.



Meet Mahmood, not the blood thirsty Arab the Zionists want you to believe:
http://mahmood.tv/
His garden is beautiful!......right in the Bahrain desert.
Though they are Moslems, they make Christmas cookies and last year his wife
gave him a new stainless BBQ grille for Christmas!....hee hee.

Don't all kids have Segways like his??

Take me to Bahrain and I'll show you the best shops....(c;
I'd go back there any time.....where Middle East oil was first discovered!

......and it's STILL pumping, today.

On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Mr. Strat posted:
> They also cripple their phones so that you have to pay them to transfer
> wallpaper and ringtones.

Not the current phones, at least not the Motorola z6c (dual CDMA 800/1900
GSM 900/1800).

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

On 2008-04-08, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Okay, I left out city-states like Singapore, as well as places like
> Monaco and Vatican City, as well as very small islands like Nauru,
> Bermuda, Malta, Maldives, and Bahrain.
>
> Of "real" countries, Bangladesh is the most densely populated, and
> Taiwan is second.
>
> Macau isn't a country, nor is Hong Kong. Both are part of China (of
> course China claims that Taiwan is also part of China!).

Got it. Macau and Hong Kong aren't countries (though they have their
own telephone country codes, their own currencies and their own
customs and immigration, like Taiwan, the United Nations apparently
agrees with China about Taiwan, and even Taiwan agreed with China
about Taiwan a few decades ago), but their urban areas are still
a lot more densely packed than Taiwan's yet they seem to have no difficulty
building an impeccable GSM infrastructure under those conditions. I
think the latter is evidence that there's no place on earth (yet) with
a population density too high for GSM to work well.

Dennis Ferguson

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:47fb03cb$0$36394$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

> My child is going on an exchange student program to Taiwan, and while
> I'm giving her a phone with a prepaid SIM card, most of the students
> won't be able to buy prepaid SIM cards because their sale is very
> restricted now.
>
> I checked the international roaming rates in Taiwan, and was rather
> shocked to find that Verizon is actually the lowest cost wireless
> service in terms of roaming there.
>
> Verizon is $1.29/minute.
> T-Mobile is $1.49/minute.
> AT&T is $1.99 per minute.
> Sprint is $1.99/minute.
>
> When I was in Taiwan last month, I also found that I could actually get
> service on CDMA much more readily than GSM, because the GSM
> infrastructure cannot handle the volumes of calls in a country as
> densely populated as Taiwan (2nd most densely populated country in the
> world, but really the most densely populated when you eliminate the
> uninhabitable mountainous interior.

Translation- they simply don't fleece their customers to the same level as
everyone else.

I wouldn't be bragging about a $1.29/minute rate.

Dennis Ferguson wrote:
> On 2008-04-08, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> Okay, I left out city-states like Singapore, as well as places like
>> Monaco and Vatican City, as well as very small islands like Nauru,
>> Bermuda, Malta, Maldives, and Bahrain.
>>
>> Of "real" countries, Bangladesh is the most densely populated, and
>> Taiwan is second.
>>
>> Macau isn't a country, nor is Hong Kong. Both are part of China (of
>> course China claims that Taiwan is also part of China!).
>
> Got it. Macau and Hong Kong aren't countries (though they have their
> own telephone country codes, their own currencies and their own
> customs and immigration,

Good. You realize that Hong Kong and Macau are part of China.

On Apr 8, 3:01*pm, "Mr. Strat" <r...@nospam.techline.com> wrote:
> In article <47fb03cb$0$36394$742ec...@news.sonic.net>, SMS
>
> <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > I checked the international roaming rates in Taiwan, and was rather
> > shocked to find that Verizon is actually the lowest cost wireless
> > service in terms of roaming there.
>
> They also cripple their phones so that you have to pay them to transfer
> wallpaper and ringtones.
>
> And LG stands for Lotsa Garbage.

Did you even read the original poster's message? It doesn't have
anything to do with transfering wallpaper or ringtones. And it also
didn't mention anything about LG.