I have not seen any new markets introducing 3G from ATT/Cingular (or
whatever they decide to brand themselves with this week). I am in the
Colorado Area and there is no 3G coverage according to the coverage map. To
make this worse, when I call customer service, the people that had zero clue
what I was talking about. The person I spoke with put me on hold and then
come back and said that there was already 3G coverage in Denver. I later
confirmed that was untrue.
I have a 3G phone and enjoyed using it in Dallas and Orlando, and it would
be nice to be able to use it in my own work area.
Does anyone have any insight as to when ATT will be turning on 3G in new
markets and what any possible schedule might be?
code_runner wrote:
> I have not seen any new markets introducing 3G from ATT/Cingular (or
> whatever they decide to brand themselves with this week). I am in the
> Colorado Area and there is no 3G coverage according to the coverage map. To
> make this worse, when I call customer service, the people that had zero clue
> what I was talking about. The person I spoke with put me on hold and then
> come back and said that there was already 3G coverage in Denver. I later
> confirmed that was untrue.
>
> I have a 3G phone and enjoyed using it in Dallas and Orlando, and it would
> be nice to be able to use it in my own work area.
>
> Does anyone have any insight as to when ATT will be turning on 3G in new
> markets and what any possible schedule might be?
They stated in their earnings call today that they will have 3G coverage
in the "top 100 markets" this year. Whether that means in a month, or on
December 31st, who knows? The other question is whether or not you're in
one of the top 100 markets.
"AT&T says it now has UMTS/HSDPA coverage in 165 cities and is on
schedule to cover virtually all of the top 100 US markets this year"
As you've figured out, "cities" is not the same as "markets" and it's
not clear how many markets they currently cover with those 165 cities.
Check on Sprint high speed data coverage, as they have more coverage
than any other carrier, with Verizon a close second.
code_runner wrote:
> I have not seen any new markets introducing 3G from ATT/Cingular (or
whatever they decide to brand themselves with this week). I am in the
Colorado Area and there is no 3G coverage according to the coverage map.
To make this worse, when I call customer service, the people that had
zero clue what I was talking about. The person I spoke with put me on
hold and then come back and said that there was already 3G coverage in
Denver. I later confirmed that was untrue.
>
> I have a 3G phone and enjoyed using it in Dallas and Orlando, and it
would be nice to be able to use it in my own work area.
>
> Does anyone have any insight as to when ATT will be turning on 3G in
new markets and what any possible schedule might be?
They stated in their earnings call today that they will have 3G coverage
in the "top 100 markets" this year. Whether that means in a month, or on
December 31st, who knows? The other question is whether or not you're in
one of the top 100 markets.
"AT&T says it now has UMTS/HSDPA coverage in 165 cities and is on
schedule to cover virtually all of the top 100 US markets this year"
As you've figured out, "cities" is not the same as "markets" and it's
not clear how many markets they currently cover with those 165 cities.
Check on Sprint high speed data coverage, as they have more coverage
than any other carrier, with Verizon a close second.
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:48:17 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
>code_runner wrote:
>> I have not seen any new markets introducing 3G from ATT/Cingular (or
>> whatever they decide to brand themselves with this week). I am in the
>> Colorado Area and there is no 3G coverage according to the coverage map. To
>> make this worse, when I call customer service, the people that had zero clue
>> what I was talking about. The person I spoke with put me on hold and then
>> come back and said that there was already 3G coverage in Denver. I later
>> confirmed that was untrue.
>>
>> I have a 3G phone and enjoyed using it in Dallas and Orlando, and it would
>> be nice to be able to use it in my own work area.
>>
>> Does anyone have any insight as to when ATT will be turning on 3G in new
>> markets and what any possible schedule might be?
>
>They stated in their earnings call today that they will have 3G coverage
>in the "top 100 markets" this year. Whether that means in a month, or on
>December 31st, who knows? The other question is whether or not you're in
>one of the top 100 markets.
>
>"AT&T says it now has UMTS/HSDPA coverage in 165 cities and is on
>schedule to cover virtually all of the top 100 US markets this year"
>
>As you've figured out, "cities" is not the same as "markets" and it's
>not clear how many markets they currently cover with those 165 cities.
>
>Check on Sprint high speed data coverage, as they have more coverage
>than any other carrier, with Verizon a close second.
>
I have a colleague that after 3 Sims and 4 phones had Cingular replace
her LG 3G phone with a Samsung phone that didn't run its battery down
searching for non existant 3G in her south of Houston suburb.
>
..
>
> Check on Sprint high speed data coverage, as they have more coverage than
> any other carrier, with Verizon a close second.
>
I needed a pc card, and went with sprint, just for data, they are far better
then cingular in that aspect, cheaper too, I get a 23% discount do to
agreements with my employer vs. 8% so for around $46 I get unlimited
broadband connection. Also sprint uses a real nice usb card which is simple
to move from laptop to laptop (mac's included) or even home PC if one's dsl
or cable gives out. Honestly I am not a big fan of their phones and phone
service, but their salemen in their store, customer and tech support on the
phone were patient and helpful.
For two years, cingular has been promising hsdpa coverage down by me, I live
in Ocean County, NJ. I even called their CS to ask if they have it in
Atlantic City, which they don't.provide 3g. So for two years, I will use
sprint, if at the end, and cingy has hsdpa, I might switch, but by then
sprint will have rolled our their winmax.
On 2007-04-24, code_runner <not@achance.com> wrote:
> Does anyone have any insight as to when ATT will be turning on 3G in new
> markets and what any possible schedule might be?
I have no insight, but I do know they had press releases about
new 3G turnups coming out like crazy last year, but this year
so far there's only been one, in January.
In fact they haven't posted any new press releases on the web site
since March 15, and before that they were kind of scaping the bottom
of the barrel for something to say. For example, here's the most
important thing they have to report on March 6:
WESTWOOD, Mass., March 6 /PRNewswire/ -- AT&T Inc. (NYSE: T) announced
today that Cingular, now AT&T and the nation's largest wireless carrier,
has turned on a new cell site in Newton, Massachusetts.
I talked to Cingular in Cherry Creek 3 days ago and the told me that the
Tech Center was testing 3g as well as downtown. They said OCTOBER turn on
is expected.
norm
"code_runner" <not@achance.com> wrote in message
news:M_udneQ56ov7hbPbnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>I have not seen any new markets introducing 3G from ATT/Cingular (or
>whatever they decide to brand themselves with this week). I am in the
>Colorado Area and there is no 3G coverage according to the coverage map.
>To make this worse, when I call customer service, the people that had zero
>clue what I was talking about. The person I spoke with put me on hold and
>then come back and said that there was already 3G coverage in Denver. I
>later confirmed that was untrue.
>
> I have a 3G phone and enjoyed using it in Dallas and Orlando, and it would
> be nice to be able to use it in my own work area.
>
> Does anyone have any insight as to when ATT will be turning on 3G in new
> markets and what any possible schedule might be?
>
> pq
>
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:03:43 -0400, "Michael Paris"
<mparis27@comcast.net> wrote in
<mO6dnaHUZMiaKrPbnZ2dnUVZ_o-knZ2d@comcast.com>:
>For two years, cingular has been promising hsdpa coverage down by me, I live
>in Ocean County, NJ. I even called their CS to ask if they have it in
>Atlantic City, which they don't.provide 3g. So for two years, I will use
>sprint, if at the end, and cingy has hsdpa, I might switch, but by then
>sprint will have rolled our their winmax.
That's WiMAX, and still vaporware.
--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
John Navas wrote:
> That's WiMAX, and still vaporware.
WiKi -
"Vaporware is software or hardware product which is announced by a
developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge,
either with or without a protracted development cycle. The term implies
unwarranted optimism, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply
that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage
to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set,
or even feasibility."
Trade magazines for *professionals in the industry* disagree with *your*
assessment of vaporware for WiMAX.
> Trade magazines for *professionals in the industry* disagree with *your*
> assessment of vaporware for WiMAX.
WiMax is definitely not vaporware, but its level of success remains to
be seen. Sprint seems to be betting the farm on WiMax. From a purely
practical standpoint WiMax does have the potential to displace DSL and
Broadband, something that HSDPA and EVDO can't do, due to bandwidth
limitations.
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 00:04:05 GMT, DTC <no_spam@move_along_folks.foob>
wrote in <VhRYh.9517$3P3.6465@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink. net>:
>John Navas wrote:
>> That's WiMAX, and still vaporware.
>
>WiKi -
>
>"Vaporware is software or hardware product which is announced by a
>developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge,
>either with or without a protracted development cycle. The term implies
>unwarranted optimism, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply
>that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage
>to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set,
>or even feasibility."
>
>Trade magazines for *professionals in the industry* disagree with *your*
>assessment of vaporware for WiMAX.
Trade magazines are actually full of news of repeated major delays of
WiMAX -- mobile _still_ isn't approved -- and problems in deployment.
--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:32:13 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in <4633e78c$0$27204$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>DTC wrote:
>
>> Trade magazines for *professionals in the industry* disagree with *your*
>> assessment of vaporware for WiMAX.
>
>WiMax is definitely not vaporware,
Mobile WiMAX is definitely still vaporware.
>but its level of success remains to
>be seen. Sprint seems to be betting the farm on WiMax. From a purely
>practical standpoint WiMax does have the potential to displace DSL and
>Broadband, something that HSDPA and EVDO can't do, due to bandwidth
>limitations.
WiMAX is actually more expensive to deploy than wired broadband except
is sparsely populated areas, and actually has spectrum limitations much
like cellular.
--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
John Navas wrote:
>> Trade magazines for *professionals in the industry* disagree with *your*
>> assessment of vaporware for WiMAX.
>
> Trade magazines are actually full of news of repeated major delays of
> WiMAX -- mobile _still_ isn't approved -- and problems in deployment.
Google and CNN do not qualify as "trade magazines", pumpkin.
John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
news:8eh93350qh8v217so1ec0t42fovub6637s@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 00:04:05 GMT, DTC <no_spam@move_along_folks.foob>
> wrote in <VhRYh.9517$3P3.6465@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink. net>:
>
>>John Navas wrote:
>>> That's WiMAX, and still vaporware.
>>
>>WiKi -
>>
>>"Vaporware is software or hardware product which is announced by a
>>developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge,
>>either with or without a protracted development cycle. The term
>>implies unwarranted optimism, or sometimes even deception; that is, it
>>may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too
>>early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion
>>date, feature set, or even feasibility."
>>
>>Trade magazines for *professionals in the industry* disagree with
>>*your* assessment of vaporware for WiMAX.
>
> Trade magazines are actually full of news of repeated major delays of
> WiMAX -- mobile _still_ isn't approved -- and problems in deployment.
>
They are? Where? All I see is Sprint moving the date forward with more
cities involved.
(John Navas fears WiMax- it puts another generation behind in the
technology world of knowledge.)
John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
news:3gh9339sv8urm1159irekn7h3v5c1qfvt5@4ax.com:
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:32:13 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote in <4633e78c$0$27204$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>
>>DTC wrote:
>>
>>> Trade magazines for *professionals in the industry* disagree with
>>> *your* assessment of vaporware for WiMAX.
>>
>>WiMax is definitely not vaporware,
>
> Mobile WiMAX is definitely still vaporware.
Wait- you just contradicted yourself (or at least took a big step back from
your bold statements of the past). You are a moron.
>
>>but its level of success remains to
>>be seen. Sprint seems to be betting the farm on WiMax. From a purely
>>practical standpoint WiMax does have the potential to displace DSL and
>>Broadband, something that HSDPA and EVDO can't do, due to bandwidth
>>limitations.
>
> WiMAX is actually more expensive to deploy than wired broadband except
> is sparsely populated areas, and actually has spectrum limitations
> much like cellular.
>
In fact, Wimax is _by far_ the most efficient wireless technology. The
problem that Cingular, Verizon, and Sprint face with their HSDPA and
EVDO networks is that they can't emulate the DSL scenario of dropping
the price to greatly increase the market penetration due to the high
bandwidth requirements of HSDPA and EVDO. WiMax is a way around this
problem.
Actually I'm pretty sure that Navas understands the appeal of WiMax,
he's just upset that Cingular isn't deploying it.
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> Actually I'm pretty sure that Navas understands the appeal of WiMax,
> he's just upset that Cingular isn't deploying it.
I would prefer to have cingular have it, but for two reason's they don't,
sprint gave me a 23% discount on the monthly fee, they had a usb adaptor
which allows me to use it on several computers no matter what adaptor slot
they have, and they have OSX drivers. So for under $50 with taxes, I am
getting decent service. They adator cost me $65 or so bux and I'm getting a
$50 rebate.
Even if I decide being with sprint isn't for me and cingular deploys it's
hsdpa around by me and in other areas I goto frequently, it's cheaper or
about the same for me to keep them for a year or so, and just pay the $200
termination fee, and go with cingular who is going to charbe m $60 plus
taxes.
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:35:51 GMT, DTC <no_spam@move_along_folks.foob>
wrote in <bA5Zh.4849$Ut6.1932@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>:
>John Navas wrote:
>>> Trade magazines for *professionals in the industry* disagree with *your*
>>> assessment of vaporware for WiMAX.
>>
>> Trade magazines are actually full of news of repeated major delays of
>> WiMAX -- mobile _still_ isn't approved -- and problems in deployment.
>
>Google and CNN do not qualify as "trade magazines", pumpkin.
Indeed, doofus.
--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 16:23:23 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in <463528eb$0$27166$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>Scott wrote:
>
>> Untrue, Novice.
>
>In fact, Wimax is _by far_ the most efficient wireless technology. The
>problem that Cingular, Verizon, and Sprint face with their HSDPA and
>EVDO networks is that they can't emulate the DSL scenario of dropping
>the price to greatly increase the market penetration due to the high
>bandwidth requirements of HSDPA and EVDO. WiMax is a way around this
>problem.
In fact WiMAX is no more efficient than other comparable wireless
technologies, and mobile WiMAX is still vaporware.
>Actually I'm pretty sure that Navas understands the appeal of WiMax,
>he's just upset that Cingular isn't deploying it.
I actually couldn't care less, and unlike you, I don't spend my time
trolling.
--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
John Navas wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:35:51 GMT, DTC <no_spam@move_along_folks.foob>
> wrote in <bA5Zh.4849$Ut6.1932@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>:
>
>> John Navas wrote:
>>>> Trade magazines for *professionals in the industry* disagree with *your*
>>>> assessment of vaporware for WiMAX.
>>> Trade magazines are actually full of news of repeated major delays of
>>> WiMAX -- mobile _still_ isn't approved -- and problems in deployment.
>> Google and CNN do not qualify as "trade magazines", pumpkin.
>
> Indeed, doofus.
Coming from someone that says if you can't attack a man's logic, attack the
man.
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