3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!

On Jul 15, 10:53*am, "Carl" <croth...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:

> Please see my post, somewhere above, on a typical plane trip I might take,
> and consider whether you would count on that battery lasting for you through
> that day. And I mean DEPEND on it, as if the phone part might be imminently
> important to you at the end of that day.

s/imminently/eminently I think. But anyway: Maybe I am such a
stimulating person that I energize the electronics around me, or maybe
the 3G just sucks - I don't know - but I do know that the 1st gen
iPhone battery meets all my needs. I don't use video at all, and I
strongly discourage people from calling me in voice mode; I primarily
use SMS and email, plus audio playback. I do a lot of email (mostly
wifi) and SMS during the day.

On a "bad day" where I have been listening to the iPod for a
significant percentage of the day while working, without power, I
usually get the 20% battery warning on my drive home, but of course I
have a car adapter to recharge it. I don't spend entire days traveling
on airplanes with no source of external power - and if I did, I would
not find it onerous to carry a couple of AA cells in a battery
extender.

I don't know the reasons why Apple chose to make the battery
nonremovable in all these appliances - of course we all suspect
"sleek" beat "replaceable" but nobody will ever know for sure. But it
doesn't make the device a non-starter for my lifestyle - and clearly
for many others it's the same story. I bought the iPhone because I
already carried a BlackBerry 7290 and 60GB iPod, and I was considering
purchase of a N800. The iPhone means one device to carry, one device
to remember to charge, and it's $30/mo cheaper to run than a
Blackberry with unlimited data. And a much more powerful web browser,
which is important to me.

On Jul 15, 2:45*am, Todd Allcock <eleccon...@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:

> PC World summed it up with: "the good news for 3G iPhone owners is that
> they're probably better off than other 3G handset owners in terms of
> battery life. But that won't help when your 3G iPhone stops running at the

Hmm. If you turn off 3G do you get exactly the same battery life as in
the 1st gen iPhone?

"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:

> Now we have a device that is actually four devices in one: a phone, an
> internet browser, a music player, and a video player (did I miss anything).
> Oh yeah, a PDA of sorts too. Five-in-one. And we're expecting it to last all
> day on one battery. It will. If you don't use it.

no, no Carl... apple provided for all of those uses with an appropriate
sized battery, they wouldn't have built it unless they knew a user would
be satisfied.

> Please see my post, somewhere above, on a typical plane trip I might take,
> and consider whether you would count on that battery lasting for you through
> that day. And I mean DEPEND on it, as if the phone part might be imminently
> important to you at the end of that day.

it will work fine for your intended trip, it lasts far longer than you
might think. again turn off 3G, WiFi, Bluetooth and you'll be fine.

"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:

> > Meanwhile you ignore my link to a charger that allows you to charge an
> > iPhone while on a Plane.
> >
> I apologize. I didn't ignore it. I just neglected to addres it. Not a bad
> solution, I'll admit. But do all airlines provide 15V power jacks at all
> seats? I may not have looked, and I have to admit ignorance here, but I've
> never noticed one at the seats I have to sit in!.

you can check if your plane does here:

http://www.seatguru.com/articles/in-...ptop_power.php

"Oxford" <apony@pasture.com> wrote in message
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> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Now we have a device that is actually four devices in one: a phone, an
>> internet browser, a music player, and a video player (did I miss
>> anything).
>> Oh yeah, a PDA of sorts too. Five-in-one. And we're expecting it to last
>> all
>> day on one battery. It will. If you don't use it.
>
> no, no Carl... apple provided for all of those uses with an appropriate
> sized battery, they wouldn't have built it unless they knew a user would
> be satisfied.
>
>> Please see my post, somewhere above, on a typical plane trip I might
>> take,
>> and consider whether you would count on that battery lasting for you
>> through
>> that day. And I mean DEPEND on it, as if the phone part might be
>> imminently
>> important to you at the end of that day.
>
> it will work fine for your intended trip, it lasts far longer than you
> might think. again turn off 3G, WiFi, Bluetooth and you'll be fine.

Or just turn off the iPhone and it will last much longer.

Battery has a hard time lasting one day.

I've seen major slowdown with the 2.0 update. Menu's are in slow motion.
Contacts are slow to appear.
Typing can't keep up with input.

Google slowdown after 2.0 firmware update.
Glad I don't own this POS...

"Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> > it will work fine for your intended trip, it lasts far longer than you
> > might think. again turn off 3G, WiFi, Bluetooth and you'll be fine.
>
> Or just turn off the iPhone and it will last much longer.
>
> Battery has a hard time lasting one day.

not the iphone battery, it lasts a bout a week with general use... 2, 3
days with hard use

> I've seen major slowdown with the 2.0 update. Menu's are in slow motion.
> Contacts are slow to appear.
> Typing can't keep up with input.

liar! 2.0 runs the same speed as 1.0. it's fast...

> Google slowdown after 2.0 firmware update.

nope...

> Glad I don't own this POS...

and the iphone doesn't deserve liars

In message <487c9198$0$20929$607ed4bc@cv.net> "Carl"
<crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:

>DevilsPGD wrote:
>> In message <487c00bd$0$5009$607ed4bc@cv.net> "Carl"
>> <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> http://store.mygearstore.com/41222.html
>>>>
>>> Now THERE'S a reasonable looking solution to the battery life
>>> problem I posed. Not like the foolish rantings of Ron. Not being an
>>> iPhone owner (yet), I didn't know that existed, or that it was a
>>> viable option for the iPhone (as opposed to the iPod). If the
>>> internal battery was completely dead, would that accessory sustain
>>> several phone calls on a pair of AA's? Thanks for the info.
>>
>> http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:APC%20UP...ery:1994039128 is
>> better, it can power any device which needs can charge from USB.
>>
>Thanks for that. The list of alternative solutions to the non-replaceable
>battery problem is growing.

That's the guy I carry (or a similar one), it can recharge nearly any of
my devices. I also carry it's big brother, which can run my laptop for
several hours, that guy also has a USB power out.

Another option, which I have not personally tried, is a fuel cell:

http://mytreo.net/store/xproduct.php?xProd=1126

I'm sure you can get it elsewhere, probably with just the iPod tip
rather then adding another $3 for it, I just happened to have the link
handy due to the fact that mytreo was one of the first vendors to offer
this particular product.

Plenty of choices. Personally, I'd rather carry one external battery
that is capable of recharging all of my devices then to purchase
individual spare batteries for each of my devices and try to juggle
charging each of those spares -- However, I travel gadget heavy.

Conversely, for those few trips where I don't travel gadget heavy, I can
definitely see the appeal of a single replaceable battery. My only
objection is that I never manage to charge the replaceable battery
unless I carry a dedicated charger, I tend to forget to swap batteries
in the device when I am recharging.

In message <487c97c4$0$20933$607ed4bc@cv.net> "Carl"
<crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:

>I'm not sure I get your direction here. I'm not balking at carrying an extra
>battery for the iPhone. But the suggestions don't entail carrying an extra
>battery since that's not possible with the iPhone. An extra battery for my
>BB (or for my last Motorola) is about 3 sq in and weighs a fraction of an
>ounce. It's not a box that's the same height, width, and greater in
>thickness than the phone itself. And it doesn't require an external hook up
>along with its related cable. What a cumbersome arrangement for a small,
>portable device. We used to call these types of alternatives "patchwork"
>solutions in the old days.

While I can't disagree, let me offer the flipside.

I carry an AT&T TILT, external GPS (for use with my laptop), a laptop, a
Treo 680 (well, I'm selling it), plus a couple other goodies.

For me, an external battery solution makes sense for a couple reasons:

1) I can use it with all of my devices.

2) I can charge it.

#2 is the killer, when I was carrying a spare Treo 680 battery, it
always worked great until the first time I used it, then I'd never
manage to get it recharged unless I carried a dedicated charger with me
at all times.

With the external battery, I carry one USB power source, the external
battery, and one power cable for each device along with the device. This
allows me to charge both the external battery as well as the device when
I have wall power.

The other thing to remember is that an external battery is bigger for a
reason: The little APC unit I carry has several times the battery
capacity of the iPhone's internal battery. Even if the iPhone's battery
was easily swappable in the field, I'd still have to carry several of
them to equal the power of one external unit.

Each to their own I suppose -- I don't even own an iPhone at this point,
so I have no personal bias, but I can tell you that for my own devices,
I've stopped buying spare batteries and moved to the external units.

"Oxford" <apony@pasture.com> wrote in message
news:apony-E640CA.13525915072008@news.qwest.net...
> "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> > it will work fine for your intended trip, it lasts far longer than you
>> > might think. again turn off 3G, WiFi, Bluetooth and you'll be fine.
>>
>> Or just turn off the iPhone and it will last much longer.
>>
>> Battery has a hard time lasting one day.
>
> not the iphone battery, it lasts a bout a week with general use... 2, 3
> days with hard use

Total Bull and you know it.
>
>> I've seen major slowdown with the 2.0 update. Menu's are in slow motion.
>> Contacts are slow to appear.
>> Typing can't keep up with input.
>
> liar! 2.0 runs the same speed as 1.0. it's fast...
>
>> Google slowdown after 2.0 firmware update.

Yeah I make this up. Google it. I played with my friends today after he
updated it. It's much slower.
But all the other's on google are wrong becuase you say it's not.
>
> nope...
>
>> Glad I don't own this POS...
>
> and the iphone doesn't deserve liars

It should. They need all the help they can get.

> Meanwhile you ignore my link to a charger that allows you to charge an
> iPhone while on a Plane.

Except most planes DO NOT HAVE the necessary jack for it. Out of a dozen
recent international trips NONE had the jack. I can really only recall
seeing it ONCE during a domestic flight.

> Nobody beats Apple in battery life,

Bzzzzzt, wrong again. Sony's beat them all, hands down.

In article <0G7fk.14399$xZ.9286@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>,
"Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> >> Google slowdown after 2.0 firmware update.
>
> Yeah I make this up. Google it. I played with my friends today after he
> updated it. It's much slower.
> But all the other's on google are wrong becuase you say it's not.

then obviously something else is wrong, have your friend reinstall 2.0,
and that should fix it... 1.0 & 2.0 runs at the same speed.

"Oxford" <apony@pasture.com> wrote in message
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> In article <0G7fk.14399$xZ.9286@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> >> Google slowdown after 2.0 firmware update.
>>
>> Yeah I make this up. Google it. I played with my friends today after he
>> updated it. It's much slower.
>> But all the other's on google are wrong becuase you say it's not.
>
> then obviously something else is wrong, have your friend reinstall 2.0,
> and that should fix it... 1.0 & 2.0 runs at the same speed.

Been there, done that. Still slow. Admit it. Can you say POS ?

In article <487cba3a$0$7318$607ed4bc@cv.net>, Carl
<crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:

> Please see my post, somewhere above, on a typical plane trip I might take,
> and consider whether you would count on that battery lasting for you through
> that day. And I mean DEPEND on it, as if the phone part might be imminently
> important to you at the end of that day.

My phone battery last all day on a plane. That is because I turn the
phone off since calls are not allowed....

On a plane I listen to my iPod and sometime watch a movie on the iPod.
Never even came close to running out of battery power. Longest flight
was 5 hours. If I had an iPhone it would be in airplane mode and I
would guess it would have similar battery life to the iPod.

On trains where calls are allowed I often run down the battery on my
cell phone. But I don't carry a spare battery. I plug my charger into
the outlet Amtrak kindly provides. I would do the same with an iPhone.

--
Charles

In article <3tGdnY-R0b1ChuDVnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@speakeasy.net>, Bill
Kearney <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Except most planes DO NOT HAVE the necessary jack for it. Out of a dozen
> recent international trips NONE had the jack. I can really only recall
> seeing it ONCE during a domestic flight.

I have never had a jack either. I think they may be in first class....

--
Charles

In article
<c1732f29-dd52-467d-8c13-e5e6130d7b1b@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
<zwsdotcom@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 15, 2:45*am, Todd Allcock <eleccon...@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
>
> > PC World summed it up with: "the good news for 3G iPhone owners is that
> > they're probably better off than other 3G handset owners in terms of
> > battery life. But that won't help when your 3G iPhone stops running at the
>
> Hmm. If you turn off 3G do you get exactly the same battery life as in
> the 1st gen iPhone?

according to apple's specs, the 3g iphone has a little better battery
life than the original when it's in 2g mode.

In article <3tGdnY-R0b1ChuDVnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@speakeasy.net>, Bill
Kearney <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > Meanwhile you ignore my link to a charger that allows you to charge an
> > iPhone while on a Plane.
>
> Except most planes DO NOT HAVE the necessary jack for it. Out of a dozen
> recent international trips NONE had the jack. I can really only recall
> seeing it ONCE during a domestic flight.

it depends on the airline.

american airlines has seat power in all cabins (including economy) on
all of the mainline aircraft. on their smaller planes, such as the
crj, there isn't any seat power, but those planes are used for short
flights so it's not a big deal.

On 2008-07-15, Bill Kearney <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Meanwhile you ignore my link to a charger that allows you to charge an
>> iPhone while on a Plane.
>
> Except most planes DO NOT HAVE the necessary jack for it. Out of a dozen
> recent international trips NONE had the jack. I can really only recall
> seeing it ONCE during a domestic flight.

It seems to depend on the airline. When I was flying American
frequently the business class seats had 12V cigar lighter power jacks.
There is usually an EmPower jack on United flights I take. Singapore
Airlines has 110V AC sockets, Cathay Pacific has EmPower jacks, I think
Virgin Atlantic has EmPower jacks, some Air Canada planes have EmPower
jacks. I haven't found any power sockets on the Alaska Airlines,
Southwest and Mexicana flights I've taken recently.

I used to pay closer attention to this, but what I mostly wanted
power for was my laptop and the Macbook Pro I carry now seems to
want more power than any of these support (the Macbook wants
85W but the power plugs all seem to be limited to 70W) so now if
the flight goes longer than my laptop battery I usually just sleep
instead.

I would note that I've seen "charging stations", with a bunch of
AC power sockets, in the gate waiting areas of an increasing number
of airports I've changed plans in. The airport I specifically
remember these in is LAX, the stations all have Samsung ads
attached. Even in airports without these, however, I can usually
find a wall socket to use to recharge the laptop between planes.

Dennis Ferguson

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:150720081848116670%
nospam@nospam.invalid:

> such as the
> crj, there isn't any seat power, but those planes are used for short
> flights so it's not a big deal.
>

On those planes, you have to lean over the pilot and ask him to plug the
cord into where the cigarette lighter plugs into the dash by the COMM/NAV
display next to the fuel guage....(c;

Be careful not to bump the throttle in and scare the hell out of the other
passenger....singular....

"We must have quite a headwind, today. There goes the Greyhound Bus, with
our luggage on it, beating us to town on the main road below!"

DevilsPGD wrote:
> In message <487c9198$0$20929$607ed4bc@cv.net> "Carl"
> <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>> DevilsPGD wrote:
>>> In message <487c00bd$0$5009$607ed4bc@cv.net> "Carl"
>>> <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> http://store.mygearstore.com/41222.html
>>>>>
>>>> Now THERE'S a reasonable looking solution to the battery life
>>>> problem I posed. Not like the foolish rantings of Ron. Not being
>>>> an iPhone owner (yet), I didn't know that existed, or that it was a
>>>> viable option for the iPhone (as opposed to the iPod). If the
>>>> internal battery was completely dead, would that accessory sustain
>>>> several phone calls on a pair of AA's? Thanks for the info.
>>>
>>> http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:APC%20UP...ery:1994039128 is
>>> better, it can power any device which needs can charge from USB.
>>>
>> Thanks for that. The list of alternative solutions to the
>> non-replaceable battery problem is growing.
>
> That's the guy I carry (or a similar one), it can recharge nearly any
> of my devices. I also carry it's big brother, which can run my
> laptop for several hours, that guy also has a USB power out.
>
> Another option, which I have not personally tried, is a fuel cell:
>
> http://mytreo.net/store/xproduct.php?xProd=1126
>
> I'm sure you can get it elsewhere, probably with just the iPod tip
> rather then adding another $3 for it, I just happened to have the link
> handy due to the fact that mytreo was one of the first vendors to
> offer this particular product.
>
> Plenty of choices. Personally, I'd rather carry one external battery
> that is capable of recharging all of my devices then to purchase
> individual spare batteries for each of my devices and try to juggle
> charging each of those spares -- However, I travel gadget heavy.
>
> Conversely, for those few trips where I don't travel gadget heavy, I
> can definitely see the appeal of a single replaceable battery. My
> only objection is that I never manage to charge the replaceable
> battery unless I carry a dedicated charger, I tend to forget to swap
> batteries in the device when I am recharging.
>
I own and take an iGo with me when I go on extended trips. I have three tips
for the three devices I currently take with me. But I like to put that in
my suitcase and use it when I'm away, not try to hook all that stuff up when
I'm in the air. Flying these days is tough enough without having to worry
about that too.

David Moyer wrote:
> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Look, the original issue on the table was why Apple couldn't allow
>> for a user-replaceable battery. It's a valid question and a valid
>> issue. Patchwork solutions are fixes for deficiencies. Instead of
>> defending this fairly glaring omission on Apple's part, you should
>> be helping to apply pressue on Apple to correct this in future
>> versions.
>
> no, that would weaken the physical structure of the phone and make it
> much less reliable. removable batteries really aren't needed in
> today's world, it's just the public's mindset of living in the 80's
> when you DID need to have extra batteries that is in error.
>
After everything that's been said here, that's your position? You're not
one of those guys who, after someone finishes speaking, makes them feel like
you weren't listening to anything they said, are you?

The advantage for you here is that you had the chance to go back and re-read
everything, but you blew the opportunity to even pretend to be a good
listener.

All of my phones had replaceable batteries, including my current BB Curve.
None of them were "structurally weak" or "unreliable". I'll beg to differ,
replaceable batteries are still needed in today's world. I hate to go around
full circle and repeat what's been said here a few times, but it depends on
your personal usage need.

DevilsPGD wrote:
> In message <487c97c4$0$20933$607ed4bc@cv.net> "Carl"
> <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure I get your direction here. I'm not balking at carrying
>> an extra battery for the iPhone. But the suggestions don't entail
>> carrying an extra battery since that's not possible with the iPhone.
>> An extra battery for my BB (or for my last Motorola) is about 3 sq
>> in and weighs a fraction of an ounce. It's not a box that's the same
>> height, width, and greater in thickness than the phone itself. And
>> it doesn't require an external hook up along with its related cable.
>> What a cumbersome arrangement for a small, portable device. We used
>> to call these types of alternatives "patchwork" solutions in the old
>> days.
>
> While I can't disagree, let me offer the flipside.
>
> I carry an AT&T TILT, external GPS (for use with my laptop), a
> laptop, a Treo 680 (well, I'm selling it), plus a couple other
> goodies.
>
> For me, an external battery solution makes sense for a couple reasons:
>
> 1) I can use it with all of my devices.
>
> 2) I can charge it.
>
> #2 is the killer, when I was carrying a spare Treo 680 battery, it
> always worked great until the first time I used it, then I'd never
> manage to get it recharged unless I carried a dedicated charger with
> me at all times.
>
> With the external battery, I carry one USB power source, the external
> battery, and one power cable for each device along with the device.
> This allows me to charge both the external battery as well as the
> device when I have wall power.
>
> The other thing to remember is that an external battery is bigger for
> a reason: The little APC unit I carry has several times the battery
> capacity of the iPhone's internal battery. Even if the iPhone's
> battery was easily swappable in the field, I'd still have to carry
> several of them to equal the power of one external unit.
>
> Each to their own I suppose -- I don't even own an iPhone at this
> point, so I have no personal bias, but I can tell you that for my own
> devices, I've stopped buying spare batteries and moved to the
> external units.
>
In another one of my posts you'll read that I own and use an iGo (a portable
recharging system which uses different tips for different devices). So I'm
not opposed to external power/charging devices. But I like to stow that in
my suitcase and use it at my destinations for keeping things charged in my
hotel room or apartment. Not when I'm on the go. For that I'd prefer a
replacement battery. One of the guys showed me an external AA battery power
extender. I thought I could live with that for those rare "emergency"
moments.

I get where you're coming from and at this point I'm certainly feeling like
I've beaten the dead horse. For those of you still reading, I still think
the iPhone is a very appealing device, and despite what I see as its
drawbacks, I probably will eventually own one.

On 2008-07-15, Carl <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> Ron wrote:
>> Sorry you have such trouble with your plane travels.
>>
>> For very little you can get a thingie to plug your iPhone into power
>> at your plane seat and keep it fully charged. Also many people charge
>> devices in their car, its new technology you may not have heard of its
>> called a "car Charger".
>>
>> http://www.overstock.com/Electronics...i_sku=10326243
>>
>> When I fly I sit just outside the Continental Airlines Presidents
>> club. I can plug into a standard AC outlet in the wall
>> (for my Apple Pismo laptop), and use the open WiFi of Continental.
[...]
> 3. Continental doesn't fly to Mexico.

I've flow Continental from Houston to Mexico City, Zihuatanejo and Morelia.
I think there are 6 or 8 flights a day to Mexico City alone.

> 4. I never said anything about car charging. You threw that in there to make
> yourself sound smart, didn't you?

When I flew with them frequently American Airlines had car-style 12V power
sockets in the seats, at least in business class, on all the flights I took
on MD80s. I don't know if they still do, but someone who really wanted to
be prepared to use whatever power the aircraft had to offer might want to
carry one of those too.

> 5. I never said I have "trouble with my plane travels". If you've never
> flown past Chicago, I suppose you haven't experienced connecting flights to
> countries that don't have direct flights.

I've never found connections a problem, however, since I can usually
find an AC wall socket to recharge from. Only the plane itself can
be a problem.

> 6. Your failure to recognize these issues as shortcomings of the device and
> to try to defend them with those ludicrous "solutions" makes you not a
> credible advocate.

I don't know. I travel quite frequently, but manage to get along
pretty well without carrying extra batteries for anything. I used to
do this, but once I used the extra battery I never seemed to get
around to charging it again so it just ended up being more dead
weight to lug around. Now I recharge things when I get the opportunity
and live with whatever the single battery provides. To each his
own.

Dennis Ferguson

zwsdotcom@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 15, 10:53 am, "Carl" <croth...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Please see my post, somewhere above, on a typical plane trip I might
>> take, and consider whether you would count on that battery lasting
>> for you through that day. And I mean DEPEND on it, as if the phone
>> part might be imminently important to you at the end of that day.
>
> s/imminently/eminently I think. But anyway: Maybe I am such a
> stimulating person that I energize the electronics around me, or maybe
> the 3G just sucks - I don't know - but I do know that the 1st gen
> iPhone battery meets all my needs. I don't use video at all, and I
> strongly discourage people from calling me in voice mode; I primarily
> use SMS and email, plus audio playback. I do a lot of email (mostly
> wifi) and SMS during the day.
>
> On a "bad day" where I have been listening to the iPod for a
> significant percentage of the day while working, without power, I
> usually get the 20% battery warning on my drive home, but of course I
> have a car adapter to recharge it. I don't spend entire days traveling
> on airplanes with no source of external power - and if I did, I would
> not find it onerous to carry a couple of AA cells in a battery
> extender.
>
> I don't know the reasons why Apple chose to make the battery
> nonremovable in all these appliances - of course we all suspect
> "sleek" beat "replaceable" but nobody will ever know for sure. But it
> doesn't make the device a non-starter for my lifestyle - and clearly
> for many others it's the same story. I bought the iPhone because I
> already carried a BlackBerry 7290 and 60GB iPod, and I was considering
> purchase of a N800. The iPhone means one device to carry, one device
> to remember to charge, and it's $30/mo cheaper to run than a
> Blackberry with unlimited data. And a much more powerful web browser,
> which is important to me.
>
I actualy checked a dictionary for "imminently" vs. "eminently" before I
posted. Either would have worked, but "imminently" was closer to what I was
trying to say. Check it yourself for the differences.

My BB Curve has fine music player in it and will accept up to a 16GB card I
believe. I have an 8GB in there now. All my songs are on it as well as all
the pictures I want to carry.

You're incorrect about the unlimited data fees of the BB being more
expensive, perhaps depending upon the carrier you're using. I pay $30/mo
above my regular phone usage fees for unlimited data with Verizon, my total
bill being no more than AT&T's iPhone fees.

You can't beat that iPhone web browser, nope, though I do have to say that
the BB's does the job for the limited things I use it for (an occasional
google search to price compare or resolve an argument needing a fact,
reading the NY Times while killing time, searching for an address or phone
number of a restaurant, etc.)

But the iPhone has that unexplainable, intangible appeal... ;-)

Charles wrote:
> In article <487cba3a$0$7318$607ed4bc@cv.net>, Carl
> <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Please see my post, somewhere above, on a typical plane trip I might
>> take, and consider whether you would count on that battery lasting
>> for you through that day. And I mean DEPEND on it, as if the phone
>> part might be imminently important to you at the end of that day.
>
> My phone battery last all day on a plane. That is because I turn the
> phone off since calls are not allowed....
>
> On a plane I listen to my iPod and sometime watch a movie on the iPod.
> Never even came close to running out of battery power. Longest flight
> was 5 hours. If I had an iPhone it would be in airplane mode and I
> would guess it would have similar battery life to the iPod.
>
> On trains where calls are allowed I often run down the battery on my
> cell phone. But I don't carry a spare battery. I plug my charger into
> the outlet Amtrak kindly provides. I would do the same with an iPhone.
>
Some of you guys tend to address this issue from a very personal point of
view. Ok. Everyone here raise their hands who both never take an air flight
longer than 5 hours and also ride the Amtrak train. Charles, please take
your specific interest group in that corner over there.

"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:

> All of my phones had replaceable batteries, including my current BB Curve.
> None of them were "structurally weak" or "unreliable". I'll beg to differ,
> replaceable batteries are still needed in today's world. I hate to go around
> full circle and repeat what's been said here a few times, but it depends on
> your personal usage need.

but none of them are as study as the iphone, you'll see.

the iphone battery lasts a looooong time, longer than any other
smartphone, you'll see.

At 16 Jul 2008 00:26:09 -0400 Carl wrote:
> You can't beat that iPhone web browser, nope, though I do have to say
that
> the BB's does the job for the limited things I use it for (an occasional
> google search to price compare or resolve an argument needing a fact,
> reading the NY Times while killing time, searching for an address or
phone
> number of a restaurant, etc.)

Have you tried Opera Mini? (Go to mini.opera.com from your BB.) It's not
quite as good as the iPhone browser/UI, of course, (no pinching/sweezing)
but renders most of the same pages and has zoom/pan.

I use it as a backup for my WinMo phone's included browser for sites it
can't render or renders poorly. It gives a decent "desktop" experience.

> But the iPhone has that unexplainable, intangible appeal... ;-)

It certainly does. They made a very nice product that gets most of it right,
then dropped the ball completely with the rest...

At 16 Jul 2008 00:34:16 -0400 Carl wrote:

> Some of you guys tend to address this issue from a very personal point of
> view. Ok. Everyone here raise their hands who both never take an air
flight
> longer than 5 hours and also ride the Amtrak train. Charles, please take
> your specific interest group in that corner over there.


To be fair, however, long plane flights, IMO, are a special case, and not a
reason to reject a particular phone. It's an unusually lengthy time
without the ability to charge, coupled with longer than average use of
portable electronics since you've got nothing else to do!

I don't carry an external battery pack around everyday, but I carry two or
three (including a homemade 4AA charger I cobbled together with parts from
Radio Shack and change the output plug whenever I get a new PDA!)

The reason for the multiples is when traveling with family, keeping two
smartphones, two Zunes and my old Dell PDA (now acting as a media player)
powered on long flights.
Sure a replaceable battery on the iPhone would be welcome, but if the ONLY
time it'd be a problem for you is a long flight, and would otherwise get
you through a "normal" day, I wouldn't eliminate it from contention on that
alone. An external/emergency charger isn't THAT much of a burden in your
carry-on bag. (Carrying it around in your back pocket for a daily 4:30 PM
refresh would be, however!)

In message <150720081953118447%fort514@mac.com> Charles
<fort514@mac.com> wrote:

>In article <3tGdnY-R0b1ChuDVnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@speakeasy.net>, Bill
>Kearney <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Except most planes DO NOT HAVE the necessary jack for it. Out of a dozen
>> recent international trips NONE had the jack. I can really only recall
>> seeing it ONCE during a domestic flight.
>
>I have never had a jack either. I think they may be in first class....

Depends on your airline, AA's MD80s have power ports in some rows, but
not all in coach, and all in business. That's all I fly on regularly
enough to know, but check http://www.seatguru.com/ if you're planning a
flight and want to find a seat with power.

In message <apony-E640CA.13525915072008@news.qwest.net> Oxford
<apony@pasture.com> wrote:

>"Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> > it will work fine for your intended trip, it lasts far longer than you
>> > might think. again turn off 3G, WiFi, Bluetooth and you'll be fine.
>>
>> Or just turn off the iPhone and it will last much longer.
>>
>> Battery has a hard time lasting one day.
>
>not the iphone battery, it lasts a bout a week with general use... 2, 3
>days with hard use
>
>> I've seen major slowdown with the 2.0 update. Menu's are in slow motion.
>> Contacts are slow to appear.
>> Typing can't keep up with input.
>
>liar! 2.0 runs the same speed as 1.0. it's fast...

I haven't played with the iPhone first generation enough to know, but on
my iPod Touch, 2.0 is noticeably slower at some things, especially
scrolling through ~170 contacts.

However, the browser bugs seem to have been fixed, so that's nice.

I also picked up an iPhone 3G today, it's about the same as the iPod
Touch in 2.0 mode.

*shrugs*

Very much usable, but still, different.