3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G iPhone
sucks because of its little built in battery.
Weekend tech tests show the 3G iPhone little battery has the best
battery life of all 3G phones! It even beats Sprint's Instinct which
is a less power hungry network for voice calls.!
Ha HA Boo Hah
Here is the offical chart to view at your leisure...
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
4phun wrote:
> This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G iPhone
> sucks because of its little built in battery.
>
> Weekend tech tests show the 3G iPhone little battery has the best
> battery life of all 3G phones! It even beats Sprint's Instinct which
> is a less power hungry network for voice calls.!
>
> Ha HA Boo Hah
>
>
> LOL
>
I don't know what other people are saying, but I think you miss this point
by a long shot. It doesn't matter that in some lab "test" done under
non-real-world circumstances that the iPhone's battery "beats" some other
battery. That's like believing the gas-mileage figures posted on new cars,
figures which have little relationship to real-world driving.
Here's an example. I, for one, travel to Cabos, Mx once a year. The one-way
trip takes me up to 9 or 10 hours with plane switching, not counting
potential delays. If I wanted to listen to songs for the 7 hours I'm on a
plane, and browse the internet for the 3 hours of 'other' time wasted in
airports, even leaving out watching a movie on the thing, will the battery
last me for that long? What do I do if it doesn't? Do I have an option? Even
worse, on the return trip can I count on having enough battery life left to
make a few phone calls, like to locate my car service or meet whomever is
picking me up, after using the device for 10 hours on the trip? Can I COUNT
on it, is the key operative phrase?
Other phones' batteries may not last as long in lab testing, but you can
bring an extra or two, or three, and COUNT on the device being operative if
and when you really need it.
I don't know your life, but if you're a person who stays close to home, and
your only concern is if you can squeeze out an extra test message or two to
your friends after you've received a few phone calls or listened to your
tunes while you're at the gym for an hour, and you're not worried because if
your battery runs down you're not that far from home, then we have different
expectations and a way different perspective on how we need our phones to
operate.
No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery
user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should decide to ge
an iPhone, I'll be spending a lot of my time being fearful of using it for
the reasons mentioned above.
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:25:59 -0400, "Carl"
<crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>4phun wrote:
>> This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G iPhone
>> sucks because of its little built in battery.
>>
>> Weekend tech tests show the 3G iPhone little battery has the best
>> battery life of all 3G phones! It even beats Sprint's Instinct which
>> is a less power hungry network for voice calls.!
>>
>> Ha HA Boo Hah
>>
>>
>> LOL
>>
>I don't know what other people are saying, but I think you miss this point
>by a long shot. It doesn't matter that in some lab "test" done under
>non-real-world circumstances that the iPhone's battery "beats" some other
>battery. That's like believing the gas-mileage figures posted on new cars,
>figures which have little relationship to real-world driving.
>
>Here's an example. I, for one, travel to Cabos, Mx once a year. The one-way
>trip takes me up to 9 or 10 hours with plane switching, not counting
>potential delays. If I wanted to listen to songs for the 7 hours I'm on a
>plane, and browse the internet for the 3 hours of 'other' time wasted in
>airports, even leaving out watching a movie on the thing, will the battery
>last me for that long? What do I do if it doesn't? Do I have an option? Even
>worse, on the return trip can I count on having enough battery life left to
>make a few phone calls, like to locate my car service or meet whomever is
>picking me up, after using the device for 10 hours on the trip? Can I COUNT
>on it, is the key operative phrase?
>
>Other phones' batteries may not last as long in lab testing, but you can
>bring an extra or two, or three, and COUNT on the device being operative if
>and when you really need it.
>
>I don't know your life, but if you're a person who stays close to home, and
>your only concern is if you can squeeze out an extra test message or two to
>your friends after you've received a few phone calls or listened to your
>tunes while you're at the gym for an hour, and you're not worried because if
>your battery runs down you're not that far from home, then we have different
>expectations and a way different perspective on how we need our phones to
>operate.
>
>No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery
>user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should decide to ge
>an iPhone, I'll be spending a lot of my time being fearful of using it for
>the reasons mentioned above.
>
Sorry you have such trouble with your plane travels.
For very little you can get a thingie to plug your iPhone into power
at your plane seat and keep it fully charged. Also many people charge
devices in their car, its new technology you may not have heard of its
called a "car Charger".
When I fly I sit just outside the Continental Airlines Presidents
club. I can plug into a standard AC outlet in the wall
(for my Apple Pismo laptop), and use the open WiFi of Continental.
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> trip takes me up to 9 or 10 hours with plane switching, not counting
> potential delays. If I wanted to listen to songs for the 7 hours I'm on a
> plane, and browse the internet for the 3 hours of 'other' time wasted in
> airports, even leaving out watching a movie on the thing, will the battery
> last me for that long? What do I do if it doesn't? Do I have an option? Even
> worse, on the return trip can I count on having enough battery life left to
> make a few phone calls, like to locate my car service or meet whomever is
> picking me up, after using the device for 10 hours on the trip? Can I COUNT
> on it, is the key operative phrase?
the iPhone battery will last over 20 hours for music, it's just 3G that
really sucks power.
You can always bring along a 2nd battery pack for the iPhone and just
use regular AA batteries until your heart is content.
Nobody beats Apple in battery life, their Laptops are the same way...
lasting around 20% more than anyone else. Apple has many more resources
and has been working on battery life since the late 80's. Companies like
Samsung, Nokia, Motorola simply can't built devices that last as long,
they don't have the expertise.
Even simple things like "proximity sensors" that sense the "mass of your
head" when you are talking, and power down unneeded features is
something most of the other phone makers don't know how to do...
Get an iPhone, it's the best on the market by far.
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
In article <487bd2b9$0$7337$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery
> user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should decide to ge
> an iPhone, I'll be spending a lot of my time being fearful of using it for
> the reasons mentioned above.
no, you are incorrect. that's more about an UNEDUCATED public since
people still don't realize that apple is using lithium ion batteries so
the need to replace them on the fly isn't necessary like it was 5-10
years ago. Apple is just ahead of the public, and of course your
"uneducated" comment continues to show this ignorance.
if you want more battery power, just take it! there are PLENTY of
battery extenders for the iPhone, just get one and be done with it.
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:487bd2b9$0$7337$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> 4phun wrote:
>> This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G iPhone
>> sucks because of its little built in battery.
>>
>> Weekend tech tests show the 3G iPhone little battery has the best
>> battery life of all 3G phones! It even beats Sprint's Instinct which
>> is a less power hungry network for voice calls.!
>>
>> Ha HA Boo Hah
>>
>>
>> LOL
>>
> I don't know what other people are saying, but I think you miss this point
> by a long shot. It doesn't matter that in some lab "test" done under
> non-real-world circumstances that the iPhone's battery "beats" some other
> battery. That's like believing the gas-mileage figures posted on new
> cars, figures which have little relationship to real-world driving.
>
> Here's an example. I, for one, travel to Cabos, Mx once a year. The
> one-way trip takes me up to 9 or 10 hours with plane switching, not
> counting potential delays. If I wanted to listen to songs for the 7 hours
> I'm on a plane, and browse the internet for the 3 hours of 'other' time
> wasted in airports, even leaving out watching a movie on the thing, will
> the battery last me for that long? What do I do if it doesn't? Do I have
> an option? Even worse, on the return trip can I count on having enough
> battery life left to make a few phone calls, like to locate my car service
> or meet whomever is picking me up, after using the device for 10 hours on
> the trip? Can I COUNT on it, is the key operative phrase?
>
> Other phones' batteries may not last as long in lab testing, but you can
> bring an extra or two, or three, and COUNT on the device being operative
> if and when you really need it.
>
> I don't know your life, but if you're a person who stays close to home,
> and your only concern is if you can squeeze out an extra test message or
> two to your friends after you've received a few phone calls or listened to
> your tunes while you're at the gym for an hour, and you're not worried
> because if your battery runs down you're not that far from home, then we
> have different expectations and a way different perspective on how we need
> our phones to operate.
>
> No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery
> user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should decide to
> ge an iPhone, I'll be spending a lot of my time being fearful of using it
> for the reasons mentioned above.
>
>See Carl, you've got it all wrong, the way these folks think is more like:
>if apple doesn't make it, you're an idiot for wanting it. You can buy an
>apple doohickey to do anything apple wants you to do with their toys, but
>God forbid you don't feel like sitting with your portable toy plugged into
>and outlet, a pc, or charger of any sort and just want to carry a spare
>battery on your camping trip or whatever, geese, what kind of moron are you
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:davmoy-FF1C50.19063414072008@n003-000-000-000.static.ge.com:
> In article <487bd2b9$0$7337$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>> No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery
>> user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should decide
>> to ge an iPhone, I'll be spending a lot of my time being fearful of
>> using it for the reasons mentioned above.
>
> no, you are incorrect. that's more about an UNEDUCATED public since
> people still don't realize that apple is using lithium ion batteries
So are Motorola, LG, Samsung and Blackberry, to name a few. What's your
point?
> so the need to replace them on the fly isn't necessary like it was
> 5-10 years ago.
You won't understand the importance of this need, so I won't try to explain
it
> Apple is just ahead of the public,
They are ahead of the public by using very common battery technology? How
do you figure?
> and of course your
> "uneducated" comment continues to show this ignorance.
Actually, if I look for ignorant, uneducated comments, yours will do just
fine.
>
> if you want more battery power, just take it! there are PLENTY of
> battery extenders for the iPhone, just get one and be done with it.
>
Or gee, maybe I'd want to just swap out the battery with a fully charged
one, like I can with just about every other phone on the market.
Unlike you fanbois who readily push these "battery extenders," most of us
don't find the need to replicate the Bat Utility Belt.
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
Ron wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:25:59 -0400, "Carl"
> <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>> 4phun wrote:
>>> This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G
>>> iPhone sucks because of its little built in battery.
>>>
>>> Weekend tech tests show the 3G iPhone little battery has the best
>>> battery life of all 3G phones! It even beats Sprint's Instinct which
>>> is a less power hungry network for voice calls.!
>>>
>>> Ha HA Boo Hah
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL
>>>
>> I don't know what other people are saying, but I think you miss this
>> point by a long shot. It doesn't matter that in some lab "test"
>> done under non-real-world circumstances that the iPhone's battery
>> "beats" some other battery. That's like believing the gas-mileage
>> figures posted on new cars, figures which have little relationship
>> to real-world driving.
>>
>> Here's an example. I, for one, travel to Cabos, Mx once a year. The
>> one-way trip takes me up to 9 or 10 hours with plane switching, not
>> counting potential delays. If I wanted to listen to songs for the 7
>> hours I'm on a plane, and browse the internet for the 3 hours of
>> 'other' time wasted in airports, even leaving out watching a movie
>> on the thing, will the battery last me for that long? What do I do
>> if it doesn't? Do I have an option? Even worse, on the return trip
>> can I count on having enough battery life left to make a few phone
>> calls, like to locate my car service or meet whomever is picking me
>> up, after using the device for 10 hours on the trip? Can I COUNT on
>> it, is the key operative phrase?
>>
>> Other phones' batteries may not last as long in lab testing, but you
>> can bring an extra or two, or three, and COUNT on the device being
>> operative if and when you really need it.
>>
>> I don't know your life, but if you're a person who stays close to
>> home, and your only concern is if you can squeeze out an extra test
>> message or two to your friends after you've received a few phone
>> calls or listened to your tunes while you're at the gym for an hour,
>> and you're not worried because if your battery runs down you're not
>> that far from home, then we have different expectations and a way
>> different perspective on how we need our phones to operate.
>>
>> No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery
>> user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should
>> decide to ge an iPhone, I'll be spending a lot of my time being
>> fearful of using it for the reasons mentioned above.
>>
> Sorry you have such trouble with your plane travels.
>
> For very little you can get a thingie to plug your iPhone into power
> at your plane seat and keep it fully charged. Also many people charge
> devices in their car, its new technology you may not have heard of its
> called a "car Charger".
>
> http://www.overstock.com/Electronics...i_sku=10326243
>
> When I fly I sit just outside the Continental Airlines Presidents
> club. I can plug into a standard AC outlet in the wall
> (for my Apple Pismo laptop), and use the open WiFi of Continental.
>
1. It must be very uncomfortable sitting outside that club while the plane
is flying.
2. It's becoming incredulous to me that there are actually guys like you
that actually advocate adapting your behavior to suit the limitations of the
device. Do you really mean this stuff or are you yanking my chain? So when
you fly with your wife and kids, you make sure to sit outside that club so
you can plug in? Unlike me, you never have to actually wait at the boarding
area before the plane is boarding, often for periods of time with delays? Do
you really fly or did you make that up? I fly several times a year. My
experiences wouldn't allow for those accommodations. Actually, you're being
silly even by recommending them.
3. Continental doesn't fly to Mexico.
4. I never said anything about car charging. You threw that in there to make
yourself sound smart, didn't you?
5. I never said I have "trouble with my plane travels". If you've never
flown past Chicago, I suppose you haven't experienced connecting flights to
countries that don't have direct flights.
6. Your failure to recognize these issues as shortcomings of the device and
to try to defend them with those ludicrous "solutions" makes you not a
credible advocate.
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
Oxford wrote:
> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>> trip takes me up to 9 or 10 hours with plane switching, not counting
>> potential delays. If I wanted to listen to songs for the 7 hours I'm
>> on a plane, and browse the internet for the 3 hours of 'other' time
>> wasted in airports, even leaving out watching a movie on the thing,
>> will the battery last me for that long? What do I do if it doesn't?
>> Do I have an option? Even worse, on the return trip can I count on
>> having enough battery life left to make a few phone calls, like to
>> locate my car service or meet whomever is picking me up, after using
>> the device for 10 hours on the trip? Can I COUNT on it, is the key
>> operative phrase?
>
> the iPhone battery will last over 20 hours for music, it's just 3G
> that really sucks power.
>
> You can always bring along a 2nd battery pack for the iPhone and just
> use regular AA batteries until your heart is content.
>
> here is one of many solutions:
>
> http://store.mygearstore.com/41222.html
>
Now THERE'S a reasonable looking solution to the battery life problem I
posed. Not like the foolish rantings of Ron. Not being an iPhone owner
(yet), I didn't know that existed, or that it was a viable option for the
iPhone (as opposed to the iPod). If the internal battery was completely
dead, would that accessory sustain several phone calls on a pair of AA's?
Thanks for the info.
>
> Nobody beats Apple in battery life, their Laptops are the same way...
> lasting around 20% more than anyone else.
>
The above just reeks of "fanboi" broohah, does not address the post, and was
unnecessary.
>
> Even simple things like "proximity sensors" that sense the "mass of
> your head" when you are talking, and power down unneeded features is
> something most of the other phone makers don't know how to do...
>
That is an impressive feature and has not gone unnoticed by me.
>
> Get an iPhone, it's the best on the market by far.
>
It's possible that it is. Let's see what happens in the next few weeks.
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
David Moyer wrote:
> In article <487bd2b9$0$7337$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>> No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery
>> user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should
>> decide to ge an iPhone, I'll be spending a lot of my time being
>> fearful of using it for the reasons mentioned above.
>
> no, you are incorrect. that's more about an UNEDUCATED public since
> people still don't realize that apple is using lithium ion batteries
> so the need to replace them on the fly isn't necessary like it was
> 5-10 years ago. Apple is just ahead of the public, and of course your
> "uneducated" comment continues to show this ignorance.
>
> if you want more battery power, just take it! there are PLENTY of
> battery extenders for the iPhone, just get one and be done with it.
>
> http://www.jr.com/kensington/pe/KEG_33396/
>
> http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/12/...y.pack.debuts/
>
> http://fastmac.com/iv.php
>
Your recommendations are good ones. However, your statement about the
batteries being lithium ion is unrelated to the question at hand and has
nothing to do with whether users want a user-replaceable battery or not.
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
RBM wrote:
> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
> news:487bd2b9$0$7337$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> 4phun wrote:
>>> This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G
>>> iPhone sucks because of its little built in battery.
>>>
>>> Weekend tech tests show the 3G iPhone little battery has the best
>>> battery life of all 3G phones! It even beats Sprint's Instinct which
>>> is a less power hungry network for voice calls.!
>>>
>>> Ha HA Boo Hah
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL
>>>
>> I don't know what other people are saying, but I think you miss this
>> point by a long shot. It doesn't matter that in some lab "test"
>> done under non-real-world circumstances that the iPhone's battery
>> "beats" some other battery. That's like believing the gas-mileage
>> figures posted on new cars, figures which have little relationship
>> to real-world driving. Here's an example. I, for one, travel to Cabos, Mx
>> once a year. The
>> one-way trip takes me up to 9 or 10 hours with plane switching, not
>> counting potential delays. If I wanted to listen to songs for the 7
>> hours I'm on a plane, and browse the internet for the 3 hours of
>> 'other' time wasted in airports, even leaving out watching a movie
>> on the thing, will the battery last me for that long? What do I do
>> if it doesn't? Do I have an option? Even worse, on the return trip
>> can I count on having enough battery life left to make a few phone
>> calls, like to locate my car service or meet whomever is picking me
>> up, after using the device for 10 hours on the trip? Can I COUNT on
>> it, is the key operative phrase? Other phones' batteries may not last as
>> long in lab testing, but you
>> can bring an extra or two, or three, and COUNT on the device being
>> operative if and when you really need it.
>>
>> I don't know your life, but if you're a person who stays close to
>> home, and your only concern is if you can squeeze out an extra test
>> message or two to your friends after you've received a few phone
>> calls or listened to your tunes while you're at the gym for an hour,
>> and you're not worried because if your battery runs down you're not
>> that far from home, then we have different expectations and a way
>> different perspective on how we need our phones to operate.
>>
>> No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery
>> user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should decide to
>> ge an iPhone, I'll be spending a lot of my time being
>> fearful of using it for the reasons mentioned above.
>>
>> See Carl, you've got it all wrong, the way these folks think is more
>> like: if apple doesn't make it, you're an idiot for wanting it. You
>> can buy an apple doohickey to do anything apple wants you to do with
>> their toys, but God forbid you don't feel like sitting with your
>> portable toy plugged into and outlet, a pc, or charger of any sort
>> and just want to carry a spare battery on your camping trip or
>> whatever, geese, what kind of moron are you
>
There does seem to be that mentality RBM, I agree. As I said in another
post, some of these guys are willing to adapt their world to the device
instead of expecting it to adapt to theirs. any of those recommendation were
silly, impractical, and immature.
It seems a little incongruous to me that some of them feel it's OK to have
this little, portable device, and EXPECT and ACCEPT that they'll be tethered
to the wall or a power pack that's larger than the phone itself. And they
think that's a solution for someone who bought a minitaure device- that
cables, power-packs, and wall sockets have to come along with it!
Some offered solutions that weren't unthinkable, but were often expensive
and/or added size and cumbersomeness. All to rationalize what could have
been an easy solution: make the battery pack user-changeable. Period.
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
In message <487c00bd$0$5009$607ed4bc@cv.net> "Carl"
<crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>> http://store.mygearstore.com/41222.html
>>
>Now THERE'S a reasonable looking solution to the battery life problem I
>posed. Not like the foolish rantings of Ron. Not being an iPhone owner
>(yet), I didn't know that existed, or that it was a viable option for the
>iPhone (as opposed to the iPod). If the internal battery was completely
>dead, would that accessory sustain several phone calls on a pair of AA's?
>Thanks for the info.
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
Carl wrote:
> RBM wrote:
>
>>"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
>>news:487bd2b9$0$7337$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>
>>>4phun wrote:
>>>
>>>>This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G
>>>>iPhone sucks because of its little built in battery.
>>>>
>>>>Weekend tech tests show the 3G iPhone little battery has the best
>>>>battery life of all 3G phones! It even beats Sprint's Instinct which
>>>>is a less power hungry network for voice calls.!
>>>>
>>>>Ha HA Boo Hah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>LOL
>>>>
>>>
>>>I don't know what other people are saying, but I think you miss this
>>>point by a long shot. It doesn't matter that in some lab "test"
>>>done under non-real-world circumstances that the iPhone's battery
>>>"beats" some other battery. That's like believing the gas-mileage
>>>figures posted on new cars, figures which have little relationship
>>>to real-world driving. Here's an example. I, for one, travel to Cabos, Mx
>>>once a year. The
>>>one-way trip takes me up to 9 or 10 hours with plane switching, not
>>>counting potential delays. If I wanted to listen to songs for the 7
>>>hours I'm on a plane, and browse the internet for the 3 hours of
>>>'other' time wasted in airports, even leaving out watching a movie
>>>on the thing, will the battery last me for that long? What do I do
>>>if it doesn't? Do I have an option? Even worse, on the return trip
>>>can I count on having enough battery life left to make a few phone
>>>calls, like to locate my car service or meet whomever is picking me
>>>up, after using the device for 10 hours on the trip? Can I COUNT on
>>>it, is the key operative phrase? Other phones' batteries may not last as
>>>long in lab testing, but you
>>>can bring an extra or two, or three, and COUNT on the device being
>>>operative if and when you really need it.
>>>
>>>I don't know your life, but if you're a person who stays close to
>>>home, and your only concern is if you can squeeze out an extra test
>>>message or two to your friends after you've received a few phone
>>>calls or listened to your tunes while you're at the gym for an hour,
>>>and you're not worried because if your battery runs down you're not
>>>that far from home, then we have different expectations and a way
>>>different perspective on how we need our phones to operate.
>>>
>>>No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery
>>>user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should decide to
>>>ge an iPhone, I'll be spending a lot of my time being
>>>fearful of using it for the reasons mentioned above.
>>>
>>>See Carl, you've got it all wrong, the way these folks think is more
>>>like: if apple doesn't make it, you're an idiot for wanting it. You
>>>can buy an apple doohickey to do anything apple wants you to do with
>>>their toys, but God forbid you don't feel like sitting with your
>>>portable toy plugged into and outlet, a pc, or charger of any sort
>>>and just want to carry a spare battery on your camping trip or
>>>whatever, geese, what kind of moron are you
>>
> There does seem to be that mentality RBM, I agree. As I said in another
> post, some of these guys are willing to adapt their world to the device
> instead of expecting it to adapt to theirs. any of those recommendation were
> silly, impractical, and immature.
>
> It seems a little incongruous to me that some of them feel it's OK to have
> this little, portable device, and EXPECT and ACCEPT that they'll be tethered
> to the wall or a power pack that's larger than the phone itself. And they
> think that's a solution for someone who bought a minitaure device- that
> cables, power-packs, and wall sockets have to come along with it!
>
> Some offered solutions that weren't unthinkable, but were often expensive
> and/or added size and cumbersomeness. All to rationalize what could have
> been an easy solution: make the battery pack user-changeable. Period.
Gotta remember, they are first and foremost fanbois...
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in
news:487bd2b9$0$7337$607ed4bc@cv.net:
> No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery
> user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should decide
> to ge an iPhone, I'll be spending a lot of my time being fearful of
> using it for the reasons mentioned above.
>
>
>
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:34:29 -0400, "Carl"
<crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>Ron wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:25:59 -0400, "Carl"
>> <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>> 4phun wrote:
>>>> This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G
>>>> iPhone sucks because of its little built in battery.
>>>>
>>>> Weekend tech tests show the 3G iPhone little battery has the best
>>>> battery life of all 3G phones! It even beats Sprint's Instinct which
>>>> is a less power hungry network for voice calls.!
>>>>
>>>> Ha HA Boo Hah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LOL
>>>>
>>> I don't know what other people are saying, but I think you miss this
>>> point by a long shot. It doesn't matter that in some lab "test"
>>> done under non-real-world circumstances that the iPhone's battery
>>> "beats" some other battery. That's like believing the gas-mileage
>>> figures posted on new cars, figures which have little relationship
>>> to real-world driving.
>>>
>>> Here's an example. I, for one, travel to Cabos, Mx once a year. The
>>> one-way trip takes me up to 9 or 10 hours with plane switching, not
>>> counting potential delays. If I wanted to listen to songs for the 7
>>> hours I'm on a plane, and browse the internet for the 3 hours of
>>> 'other' time wasted in airports, even leaving out watching a movie
>>> on the thing, will the battery last me for that long? What do I do
>>> if it doesn't? Do I have an option? Even worse, on the return trip
>>> can I count on having enough battery life left to make a few phone
>>> calls, like to locate my car service or meet whomever is picking me
>>> up, after using the device for 10 hours on the trip? Can I COUNT on
>>> it, is the key operative phrase?
>>>
>>> Other phones' batteries may not last as long in lab testing, but you
>>> can bring an extra or two, or three, and COUNT on the device being
>>> operative if and when you really need it.
>>>
>>> I don't know your life, but if you're a person who stays close to
>>> home, and your only concern is if you can squeeze out an extra test
>>> message or two to your friends after you've received a few phone
>>> calls or listened to your tunes while you're at the gym for an hour,
>>> and you're not worried because if your battery runs down you're not
>>> that far from home, then we have different expectations and a way
>>> different perspective on how we need our phones to operate.
>>>
>>> No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery
>>> user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should
>>> decide to ge an iPhone, I'll be spending a lot of my time being
>>> fearful of using it for the reasons mentioned above.
>>>
>> Sorry you have such trouble with your plane travels.
>>
>> For very little you can get a thingie to plug your iPhone into power
>> at your plane seat and keep it fully charged. Also many people charge
>> devices in their car, its new technology you may not have heard of its
>> called a "car Charger".
>>
>> http://www.overstock.com/Electronics...i_sku=10326243
>>
>> When I fly I sit just outside the Continental Airlines Presidents
>> club. I can plug into a standard AC outlet in the wall
>> (for my Apple Pismo laptop), and use the open WiFi of Continental.
>>
>1. It must be very uncomfortable sitting outside that club while the plane
>is flying.
Meanwhile you ignore my link to a charger that allows you to charge an
iPhone while on a Plane.
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> Some offered solutions that weren't unthinkable, but were often expensive
> and/or added size and cumbersomeness. All to rationalize what could have
> been an easy solution: make the battery pack user-changeable. Period.
what are you trying to do Carl? it seems like with every valid solution
you balk and want to somehow not carry an extra battery for the iphone,
but will carry an extra one for the other types of smartphones.
i think you'll be shocked at how long the battery lasts in the iphone,
it will be plenty for a flight to mexico... just make sure bluetooth,
3G, wifi is off and you'll have no problem.
if you don't believe me, get a little $4 battery pack, get some lithium
AA batteries and you'll be fine for the flight back as well.
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> > here is one of many solutions:
> >
> > http://store.mygearstore.com/41222.html
> >
> Now THERE'S a reasonable looking solution to the battery life problem I
> posed. Not like the foolish rantings of Ron. Not being an iPhone owner
> (yet), I didn't know that existed, or that it was a viable option for the
> iPhone (as opposed to the iPod). If the internal battery was completely
> dead, would that accessory sustain several phone calls on a pair of AA's?
> Thanks for the info.
yes, should give you around 8 hours more of talk time if your internal
battery is dead (which would be very unlikely)... i assume that's using
alkaline batteries, probably much more if you go with lithium.
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
That's a very small set of phones, not "all 3G phones": Palm Treo 750,
Palm Centro, Motorola Q9 Global, Samsung Ace, Pantech Duo, AT&T Tilt, LG
EnV, HTC Touch Dual, Samsung Instinct, iPhone 3G.
I have two 3G phones which have much longer battery lives than any of
these.
-- Mark --
http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
At 14 Jul 2008 14:34:22 -0700 4phun wrote:
> This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G iPhone
> sucks because of its little built in battery.
No, that aspect of it's design sucks because of the little NON-SWAPPABLE
battery.
You seem awfully chipper pointing to a chart from an article titled: "3G
iPhone's Mediocre Battery Life Still Beats Rivals..."
(Of course, you only linked to the chart - not to the less-than-glowing
article that spawned it. Hmmm....) *
> Weekend tech tests show the 3G iPhone little battery has the best
> battery life of all 3G phones!
No, it had the best battery life of the TEN smartphones PC World tested and
put in the chart. No Nokia phone is listed, 3G "dumphones" like the Moto
Razrs aren't listed, and I don't see any Blackberries. My wife's work-
issued Blackberry runs so damn long compared to our WinMo phones, I've
always suspected RIM has mastered Cold Fusion and just never told anyone...
> It even beats Sprint's Instinct which
> is a less power hungry network for voice calls.!
>
> Ha HA Boo Hah
By about five minutes. Very impressive.
> Here is the offical chart to view at your leisure...
So the iPhone's battery life sucks a little less than the other phones
tested. Wheee...
PC World said of that stellar performance: "the 3G iPhone beat out therest
of the current 3G smart-phone pack, most of which fell shy of the 5-hour
mark that's the cutoff between a word score of Fair and one of Poor inour
performance ratings."
Wow. The iPhone's battery life is "fair" instead of "poor." I wonderif
Apple will add that to the brochure?
My AT&T Tilt's battery life (coming in nearly an hour shorter than the
iPhone's on that chart) is absolutely terrible. (Or should I say 'poor'?)
I REALLY feel for the owners of the five phones on the chart that the Tilt
beat. Hopefully those phones come with an external batery pack- maybe
something along the lines of a backpack with a 12V deep-cycle marine
battery in it! ;-)
Looking at the chart you linked, I should be thrilled with the Tilt's
battery life- it's 80+% of the iPhone's! If that's the case, the iPhone
would get maybe 15 hours of life from my usage pattern compared to the12
my Tilt gets. Wheeee...
PC World summed it up with: "the good news for 3G iPhone owners is that
they're probably better off than other 3G handset owners in terms of
battery life. But that won't help when your 3G iPhone stops running atthe
end of a long and busy day."
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
Ron wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:34:29 -0400, "Carl"
> <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Ron wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:25:59 -0400, "Carl"
>>> <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 4phun wrote:
>>>>> This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G
>>>>> iPhone sucks because of its little built in battery.
>>>>>
>>>>> Weekend tech tests show the 3G iPhone little battery has the best
>>>>> battery life of all 3G phones! It even beats Sprint's Instinct
>>>>> which is a less power hungry network for voice calls.!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ha HA Boo Hah
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL
>>>>>
>>>> I don't know what other people are saying, but I think you miss
>>>> this point by a long shot. It doesn't matter that in some lab
>>>> "test" done under non-real-world circumstances that the iPhone's
>>>> battery "beats" some other battery. That's like believing the
>>>> gas-mileage figures posted on new cars, figures which have little
>>>> relationship to real-world driving.
>>>>
>>>> Here's an example. I, for one, travel to Cabos, Mx once a year. The
>>>> one-way trip takes me up to 9 or 10 hours with plane switching, not
>>>> counting potential delays. If I wanted to listen to songs for the 7
>>>> hours I'm on a plane, and browse the internet for the 3 hours of
>>>> 'other' time wasted in airports, even leaving out watching a movie
>>>> on the thing, will the battery last me for that long? What do I do
>>>> if it doesn't? Do I have an option? Even worse, on the return trip
>>>> can I count on having enough battery life left to make a few phone
>>>> calls, like to locate my car service or meet whomever is picking me
>>>> up, after using the device for 10 hours on the trip? Can I COUNT
>>>> on it, is the key operative phrase?
>>>>
>>>> Other phones' batteries may not last as long in lab testing, but
>>>> you can bring an extra or two, or three, and COUNT on the device
>>>> being operative if and when you really need it.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know your life, but if you're a person who stays close to
>>>> home, and your only concern is if you can squeeze out an extra test
>>>> message or two to your friends after you've received a few phone
>>>> calls or listened to your tunes while you're at the gym for an
>>>> hour, and you're not worried because if your battery runs down
>>>> you're not that far from home, then we have different expectations
>>>> and a way different perspective on how we need our phones to
>>>> operate.
>>>>
>>>> No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery
>>>> user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should
>>>> decide to ge an iPhone, I'll be spending a lot of my time being
>>>> fearful of using it for the reasons mentioned above.
>>>>
>>> Sorry you have such trouble with your plane travels.
>>>
>>> For very little you can get a thingie to plug your iPhone into power
>>> at your plane seat and keep it fully charged. Also many people
>>> charge devices in their car, its new technology you may not have
>>> heard of its called a "car Charger".
>>>
>>> http://www.overstock.com/Electronics...i_sku=10326243
>>>
>>> When I fly I sit just outside the Continental Airlines Presidents
>>> club. I can plug into a standard AC outlet in the wall
>>> (for my Apple Pismo laptop), and use the open WiFi of Continental.
>>>
>> 1. It must be very uncomfortable sitting outside that club while the
>> plane is flying.
>
>
> Meanwhile you ignore my link to a charger that allows you to charge an
> iPhone while on a Plane.
>
I apologize. I didn't ignore it. I just neglected to addres it. Not a bad
solution, I'll admit. But do all airlines provide 15V power jacks at all
seats? I may not have looked, and I have to admit ignorance here, but I've
never noticed one at the seats I have to sit in!.
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
DevilsPGD wrote:
> In message <487c00bd$0$5009$607ed4bc@cv.net> "Carl"
> <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>>> http://store.mygearstore.com/41222.html
>>>
>> Now THERE'S a reasonable looking solution to the battery life
>> problem I posed. Not like the foolish rantings of Ron. Not being an
>> iPhone owner (yet), I didn't know that existed, or that it was a
>> viable option for the iPhone (as opposed to the iPod). If the
>> internal battery was completely dead, would that accessory sustain
>> several phone calls on a pair of AA's? Thanks for the info.
>
> http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:APC%20UP...ery:1994039128 is
> better, it can power any device which needs can charge from USB.
>
Thanks for that. The list of alternative solutions to the non-replaceable
battery problem is growing.
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
Oxford wrote:
> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>>> here is one of many solutions:
>>>
>>> http://store.mygearstore.com/41222.html
>>>
>> Now THERE'S a reasonable looking solution to the battery life
>> problem I posed. Not like the foolish rantings of Ron. Not being an
>> iPhone owner (yet), I didn't know that existed, or that it was a
>> viable option for the iPhone (as opposed to the iPod). If the
>> internal battery was completely dead, would that accessory sustain
>> several phone calls on a pair of AA's? Thanks for the info.
>
> yes, should give you around 8 hours more of talk time if your internal
> battery is dead (which would be very unlikely)... i assume that's
> using alkaline batteries, probably much more if you go with lithium.
>
Gotcha. Thanks.
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
David Moyer wrote:
> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Some offered solutions that weren't unthinkable, but were often
>> expensive and/or added size and cumbersomeness. All to rationalize
>> what could have been an easy solution: make the battery pack
>> user-changeable. Period.
>
> what are you trying to do Carl? it seems like with every valid
> solution you balk and want to somehow not carry an extra battery for
> the iphone, but will carry an extra one for the other types of
> smartphones.
>
> i think you'll be shocked at how long the battery lasts in the iphone,
> it will be plenty for a flight to mexico... just make sure bluetooth,
> 3G, wifi is off and you'll have no problem.
>
> if you don't believe me, get a little $4 battery pack, get some
> lithium AA batteries and you'll be fine for the flight back as well.
>
I'm not sure I get your direction here. I'm not balking at carrying an extra
battery for the iPhone. But the suggestions don't entail carrying an extra
battery since that's not possible with the iPhone. An extra battery for my
BB (or for my last Motorola) is about 3 sq in and weighs a fraction of an
ounce. It's not a box that's the same height, width, and greater in
thickness than the phone itself. And it doesn't require an external hook up
along with its related cable. What a cumbersome arrangement for a small,
portable device. We used to call these types of alternatives "patchwork"
solutions in the old days.
Look, the original issue on the table was why Apple couldn't allow for a
user-replaceable battery. It's a valid question and a valid issue.
Patchwork solutions are fixes for deficiencies. Instead of defending this
fairly glaring omission on Apple's part, you should be helping to apply
pressue on Apple to correct this in future versions.
If you've followed my posts, you'd see that I'm attracted to the iPhone and
may very well get one. I'm neither a "fanboy" nor a detractor. But these
questions have come up here from time to time and I am often surprised at
how some are so willing to overlook deficiencies in the iPhone that were
"corrected" in other products long ago, and so defensive of the product in
an emotional way that belies that it's just an object. What was that
psychological condition that the TV show Boston Legal created for one of its
characters where she fell in love with various household appliances?
Objectophilia? Be careful or we'll soon be finding "Objectophilia" actually
defined in the next edition of DSM (the psychiatrist's manual of psychiatric
disorders).
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
Larry wrote:
> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in
> news:487bd2b9$0$7337$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>
>> No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery
>> user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should decide
>> to ge an iPhone, I'll be spending a lot of my time being fearful of
>> using it for the reasons mentioned above.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I think I've found a solution!
> http://www.earthtechproducts.com/p2649.html
> Should keep a FruitFone running for days, especially if you leave it
> in the sun!
>
> It may be the ONLY solution.....(c;
>
So the new Apple iPhone, coupled with one of these, is reminiscent of the
original "bag phones" (of which I had one) of the early '90's, but minus the
3 watts of transmit power. So, are we then actually moving backwards in
technology??? :-)
Re: 3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 14 Jul 2008 14:34:22 -0700 4phun wrote:
>> This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G iPhone
>> sucks because of its little built in battery.
>
> No, that aspect of it's design sucks because of the little
> NON-SWAPPABLE battery.
>
>
> You seem awfully chipper pointing to a chart from an article titled:
> "3G iPhone's Mediocre Battery Life Still Beats Rivals..."
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/148348/
>
> (Of course, you only linked to the chart - not to the
> less-than-glowing article that spawned it. Hmmm....)
>
>> Weekend tech tests show the 3G iPhone little battery has the best
>> battery life of all 3G phones!
>
> No, it had the best battery life of the TEN smartphones PC World
> tested and put in the chart. No Nokia phone is listed, 3G
> "dumphones" like the Moto Razrs aren't listed, and I don't see any
> Blackberries. My wife's work- issued Blackberry runs so damn long
> compared to our WinMo phones, I've always suspected RIM has mastered
> Cold Fusion and just never told anyone...
>
>
>> It even beats Sprint's Instinct which
>> is a less power hungry network for voice calls.!
>>
>> Ha HA Boo Hah
>
>
> By about five minutes. Very impressive.
>
>
>> Here is the offical chart to view at your leisure...
>
> Oh, let's fix that link for you, 4phun:
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/148348/
>
> So the iPhone's battery life sucks a little less than the other phones
> tested. Wheee...
>
> PC World said of that stellar performance: "the 3G iPhone beat out
> the rest of the current 3G smart-phone pack, most of which fell shy
> of the 5-hour mark that's the cutoff between a word score of Fair and
> one of Poor in our performance ratings."
>
> Wow. The iPhone's battery life is "fair" instead of "poor." I
> wonder if Apple will add that to the brochure?
>
> My AT&T Tilt's battery life (coming in nearly an hour shorter than the
> iPhone's on that chart) is absolutely terrible. (Or should I say
> 'poor'?) I REALLY feel for the owners of the five phones on the chart
> that the Tilt beat. Hopefully those phones come with an external
> batery pack- maybe something along the lines of a backpack with a 12V
> deep-cycle marine battery in it! ;-)
>
> Looking at the chart you linked, I should be thrilled with the Tilt's
> battery life- it's 80+% of the iPhone's! If that's the case, the
> iPhone would get maybe 15 hours of life from my usage pattern
> compared to the 12 my Tilt gets. Wheeee...
3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!! 