The just-announced Android 2.2 (code-named Froyo) looks like a winner,
with plenty of capabilities that put it well beyond the iPhone. Here
are seven ways in which Android 2.2 is superior to the iPhone.
[rest of story at link above]
I'm guessing the Apple fans will say that each of the iPhone
limitations is a benefit in some way.
Paul Miner <pminer@elrancho.invalid> wrote in
news:3r4ev5hib52f79e2vl5i75k7hv2cg1o4qn@4ax.com:
> 7 Ways Android 2.2 Froyo Tops Apple's iPhone
> <http://www.pcworld.com/article/19691..._froyo_tops_ap
> ples_iphone.html?tk=rss_news>
>
> The just-announced Android 2.2 (code-named Froyo) looks like a winner,
> with plenty of capabilities that put it well beyond the iPhone. Here
> are seven ways in which Android 2.2 is superior to the iPhone.
>
> [rest of story at link above]
>
> I'm guessing the Apple fans will say that each of the iPhone
> limitations is a benefit in some way.
>
Nope. Ifan response #3.2:
"All the 7 things you metion above I can do it all with my iPhone 3gs.
What's the big deal? iPhone is very use friendly phone, especially the
multitouch screen Android is lack of it. For though who's heavy cell phone
usage I would recomend the iPhone over the Android."
Same ********....new day.
Froyo and Flash are gonna eat fruit for lunch!
Providing wifi service to the iPad at the demo was just GENIUS!....(c;]
How's Jobs gonna block out connecting iPad to your new Froyofone?
Why would anyone with a Flash Froyophone WANT a hobbled up Maxipad??
--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.
"Paul Miner" <pminer@elrancho.invalid> wrote in message
news:3r4ev5hib52f79e2vl5i75k7hv2cg1o4qn@4ax.com...
> I'm guessing the Apple fans will say that each of the iPhone
> limitations is a benefit in some way.
An Apple will come up with a reason to sue Google for infringing on
something.
On 21/05/10 4:16 PM, Paul Miner wrote:
> 7 Ways Android 2.2 Froyo Tops Apple's iPhone
> <http://www.pcworld.com/article/196912/7_ways_android_2_2_froyo_tops_apples_iphone.html?t k=rss_news>
>
> The just-announced Android 2.2 (code-named Froyo) looks like a winner,
> with plenty of capabilities that put it well beyond the iPhone. Here
> are seven ways in which Android 2.2 is superior to the iPhone.
>
> [rest of story at link above]
>
> I'm guessing the Apple fans will say that each of the iPhone
> limitations is a benefit in some way.
Interesting article, but several items are only partially correct.
1. Tethering.
It's not the iPhone that can't tether, it's AT&T that doesn't allow it.
And there are ways to tether the iPhone by jail-breaking it and using an
app like MyWi. Also, with pre-3.1.2 versions of the firmware you can get
it to tether without jail-breaking.
2. It turns your phone into a WiFi hotspot.
A jail-broken iPhone can do this.
3. It plays Flash.
Yes, that's a huge advantage of newer Android models over the iPhone.
You get the whole web, not just part of it.
4. It has open apps.
Yes, this is a good feature, though it's a trade-off for now since the
Apple aps store has so many more apps than are available for Android.
And again, a jail-broken iPhone has open apps.
5. It multi-tasks.
The iPhone does kind of do this, sometimes. It does task switching anyway.
6. It has better browsers.
True.
7. It gives more carrier choice.
That's the real biggie here. But a Verizon iPhone appears imminent.
8. Given all that, why would anyone buy an iPhone rather than an Android
phone? I don't know; it beats me.
Having used both an iPhone and an Android phone I can see the reasons
why someone might be willing to accept the iPhone's limitations. No one
disputes that the hardware features and some of the OS features are
better on the Android phones.
Some reasons:
1. The breadth of applications for the iPhone far exceeds what's
available on Android.
2. If you're into iTunes you may want to move your purchased music over
to the iPhone from the iPod, and continue to use the iTunes store for music.
3. The ergonomics and user interface of the iPhone are more intuitive
with less of a learning curve.
Also, don't forget that the current iPhone model is about to be
discontinued in favor of the new model which may address some of the
issues that the article talks about.
On Mon, 24 May 2010 12:15:58 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in <4bfad062$0$1670$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>On 21/05/10 4:16 PM, Paul Miner wrote:
>8. Given all that, why would anyone buy an iPhone rather than an Android
>phone? I don't know; it beats me.
>
>Having used both an iPhone and an Android phone
Color me skeptical, very skeptical -- I'm willing to bet you're again
relying on Internet content (how else to explain the many errors).
>I can see the reasons
>why someone might be willing to accept the iPhone's limitations. No one
>disputes that the hardware features and some of the OS features are
>better on the Android phones.
>
>Some reasons:
>
>1. The breadth of applications for the iPhone far exceeds what's
>available on Android.
The only area in which iPhone apps top Android apps is games.
For those of us that don't care about games it's a non-issue.
>2. If you're into iTunes you may want to move your purchased music over
>to the iPhone from the iPod, and continue to use the iTunes store for music.
If you must use iTunes (ugh), there are easy ways to sync it with
non-Apple devices.
>3. The ergonomics and user interface of the iPhone are more intuitive
>with less of a learning curve.
It's clear you don't have much if any real Android experience.
>Also, don't forget that the current iPhone model is about to be
>discontinued in favor of the new model which may address some of the
>issues that the article talks about.
Vaporware, the final refuge of the iFan.
--
Best regards,
John
If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do iFans keep making excuses for it?
In article <25mlv590he3hpntojo56gjtfe01jsm7v1i@4ax.com>, John Navas
<jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> The only area in which iPhone apps top Android apps is games.
> For those of us that don't care about games it's a non-issue.
that's false.
> >3. The ergonomics and user interface of the iPhone are more intuitive
> >with less of a learning curve.
>
> It's clear you don't have much if any real Android experience.
it's clear you don't have much, if any, real iphone experience. android
is a lot less polished, both in user interface and in app development.
that's not really too surprising since the iphone has had more time to
mature. froyo/2.2 is about the first version of android that's worth
using.
> >Also, don't forget that the current iPhone model is about to be
> >discontinued in favor of the new model which may address some of the
> >issues that the article talks about.
>
> Vaporware, the final refuge of the iFan.
condescending remarks, the final (and only) refuge of the haters.
In article <nenlv55qnabcqf2jphfqbi0g1cp35sirou@4ax.com>, John Navas
<jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >> It's clear you don't have much if any real Android experience.
> >
> >it's clear you don't have much, if any, real iphone experience.
>
> Until recently I had set up far more iPhones than Android phones.
setting up is not 'real iphone experience.' in fact setting up is
extremely simple.
On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:18:12 -0700, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
in <240520101318125165%nospam@nospam.invalid>:
>In article <nenlv55qnabcqf2jphfqbi0g1cp35sirou@4ax.com>, John Navas
><jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >> It's clear you don't have much if any real Android experience.
>> >
>> >it's clear you don't have much, if any, real iphone experience.
>>
>> Until recently I had set up far more iPhones than Android phones.
>
>setting up is not 'real iphone experience.' in fact setting up is
>extremely simple.
Can you possibly have any real idea what I've been doing?
Easy answer: You can't. You just arguing for the sake of it.
(And getting closer and closer to being returned to my kill file.)
--
Best regards,
John
If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do iFans keep making excuses for it?
In article <77olv5dmou3ut8uc7pnigp8mgoe55qmcqe@4ax.com>, John Navas
<jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >> >> It's clear you don't have much if any real Android experience.
> >> >
> >> >it's clear you don't have much, if any, real iphone experience.
> >>
> >> Until recently I had set up far more iPhones than Android phones.
> >
> >setting up is not 'real iphone experience.' in fact setting up is
> >extremely simple.
>
> Can you possibly have any real idea what I've been doing?
i can only go by what you say, and that was 'set up' not 'have used.'
if you meant something else, then you need to say so.
On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:31:32 -0700, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
in <240520101331323141%nospam@nospam.invalid>:
>In article <77olv5dmou3ut8uc7pnigp8mgoe55qmcqe@4ax.com>, John Navas
><jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >> >> It's clear you don't have much if any real Android experience.
>> >> >
>> >> >it's clear you don't have much, if any, real iphone experience.
>> >>
>> >> Until recently I had set up far more iPhones than Android phones.
>> >
>> >setting up is not 'real iphone experience.' in fact setting up is
>> >extremely simple.
>>
>> Can you possibly have any real idea what I've been doing?
>
>i can only go by what you say, and that was 'set up' not 'have used.'
>
>if you meant something else, then you need to say so.
You're actually making assumptions with no foundation.
--
Best regards,
John
If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do iFans keep making excuses for it?
In article <trolv59j71tj156c648f8ituk790v2q05v@4ax.com>, John Navas
<jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> It's clear you don't have much if any real Android experience.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >it's clear you don't have much, if any, real iphone experience.
> >> >>
> >> >> Until recently I had set up far more iPhones than Android phones.
> >> >
> >> >setting up is not 'real iphone experience.' in fact setting up is
> >> >extremely simple.
> >>
> >> Can you possibly have any real idea what I've been doing?
> >
> >i can only go by what you say, and that was 'set up' not 'have used.'
> >
> >if you meant something else, then you need to say so.
>
> You're actually making assumptions with no foundation.
In alt.cellular.verizon Paul Miner <pminer@elrancho.invalid> wrote:
> 7 Ways Android 2.2 Froyo Tops Apple's iPhone
> <http://www.pcworld.com/article/196912/7_ways_android_2_2_froyo_tops_apples_iphone.html?t k=rss_news>
>
> The just-announced Android 2.2 (code-named Froyo) looks like a winner,
> with plenty of capabilities that put it well beyond the iPhone. Here
> are seven ways in which Android 2.2 is superior to the iPhone.
>
> [rest of story at link above]
>
> I'm guessing the Apple fans will say that each of the iPhone
> limitations is a benefit in some way.
>
OS 4.0 is due out in June or July (I forget which) and there are a lot of new
features including application multitasking [not just push]. Android 2.2
should really be compared to that as soon those will be the two largest
competitors [excluding the blackberry which is in its own world].
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
Religion is a crutch, but that's okay... humanity is a cripple.
In alt.cellular.verizon John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
> Can you possibly have any real idea what I've been doing?
> Easy answer: You can't. You just arguing for the sake of it.
> (And getting closer and closer to being returned to my kill file.)
Sounds to me like you either work at a kiosk or corp store [for AT&T], fulfill
online phone orders, or work for a company and setup corporate phones for use
[but that is usually the favored Blackberry which I don't see changing anytime
soon].
You didn't tell us, so one is forced to make an educated guess based on your
previous comments.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
Religion is a crutch, but that's okay... humanity is a cripple.
In alt.cellular.verizon John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:52:16 -0700, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
> in <240520101352167782%nospam@nospam.invalid>:
>
>>In article <trolv59j71tj156c648f8ituk790v2q05v@4ax.com>, John Navas
>><jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>>> You're actually making assumptions with no foundation.
>>
>>i'm going by what you wrote.
>>write more clearly next time.
>
> So it's my fault that you misinterpret what I'm writing?
You gave enough information to make logical deductions, but not factual
conclusions as to what you do. But, you clearly could simply tell us; but I
suspect it will prove embarrassing or you would have done so already.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
Religion is a crutch, but that's okay... humanity is a cripple.
In article <862ho1FdhtU7@mid.individual.net>, Thomas T. Veldhouse
<veldy71@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> You're actually making assumptions with no foundation.
> >>
> >>i'm going by what you wrote.
> >>write more clearly next time.
> >
> > So it's my fault that you misinterpret what I'm writing?
>
> You gave enough information to make logical deductions, but not factual
> conclusions as to what you do. But, you clearly could simply tell us; but I
> suspect it will prove embarrassing or you would have done so already.
spot on, and it's not the first time he's played these games. probably
won't be the last either.
On 25 May 2010 17:54:57 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@gmail.com>
wrote in <862h7hFdhtU5@mid.individual.net>:
>In alt.cellular.verizon Paul Miner <pminer@elrancho.invalid> wrote:
>> 7 Ways Android 2.2 Froyo Tops Apple's iPhone
>> <http://www.pcworld.com/article/196912/7_ways_android_2_2_froyo_tops_apples_iphone.html?t k=rss_news>
>>
>> The just-announced Android 2.2 (code-named Froyo) looks like a winner,
>> with plenty of capabilities that put it well beyond the iPhone. Here
>> are seven ways in which Android 2.2 is superior to the iPhone.
>>
>> [rest of story at link above]
>>
>> I'm guessing the Apple fans will say that each of the iPhone
>> limitations is a benefit in some way.
>
>OS 4.0 is due out in June or July (I forget which) and there are a lot of new
>features including application multitasking [not just push]. Android 2.2
>should really be compared to that as soon those will be the two largest
>competitors [excluding the blackberry which is in its own world].
In due course it will be, whatever OS 4.0 actually is, not the current
vaporware.
--
Best regards,
John
If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do iFans keep making excuses for it?
In article <pi4ov5dopknugh07c39ap86rkqgkbts39k@4ax.com>, John Navas
<jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >OS 4.0 is due out in June or July (I forget which) and there are a lot of new
> >features including application multitasking [not just push]. Android 2.2
> >should really be compared to that as soon those will be the two largest
> >competitors [excluding the blackberry which is in its own world].
>
> In due course it will be, whatever OS 4.0 actually is, not the current
> vaporware.
it's not vaporware. it's been announced and is available to developers.
if anything, iphone os 4 will have *more* than that, as has been the
case in the past.
In alt.cellular.verizon John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
> In due course it will be, whatever OS 4.0 actually is, not the current
> vaporware.
It's not vaporware; it has been anounced by Apple. Vaporware defines the
rumor of software, but OS 4.0 is no rumor.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
Religion is a crutch, but that's okay... humanity is a cripple.
In article <862u6tF25pU1@mid.individual.net>, Thomas T. Veldhouse
<veldy71@gmail.com> wrote:
> In alt.cellular.verizon John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> > In due course it will be, whatever OS 4.0 actually is, not the current
> > vaporware.
>
> It's not vaporware; it has been anounced by Apple. Vaporware defines the
> rumor of software, but OS 4.0 is no rumor.
not only has it been announced but it has shipped to developers. apple
said the final version will ship in summer 2010 and it's not summer
yet. nothing vapor about it.
compare that to adobe flash for mobile, which was supposed to be done
*last* year and it's still not done.
On 25 May 2010 21:36:29 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@gmail.com>
wrote:
>In alt.cellular.verizon John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>> In due course it will be, whatever OS 4.0 actually is, not the current
>> vaporware.
>
>It's not vaporware; it has been anounced by Apple. Vaporware defines the
>rumor of software, but OS 4.0 is no rumor.
Not true. Announcements certainly qualify as vaporware, although I
understand in this case something has actually shipped (to
developers).
On 25/05/10 2:36 PM, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> In alt.cellular.verizon John Navas<jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>> In due course it will be, whatever OS 4.0 actually is, not the current
>> vaporware.
>
> It's not vaporware; it has been anounced by Apple. Vaporware defines the
> rumor of software, but OS 4.0 is no rumor.
And the hardware has been looked at too, whether or not Apple intended
for it to be.
On Tue, 25 May 2010 15:49:36 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in <4bfc5400$0$1627$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>On 25/05/10 2:36 PM, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
>> In alt.cellular.verizon John Navas<jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In due course it will be, whatever OS 4.0 actually is, not the current
>>> vaporware.
>>
>> It's not vaporware; it has been anounced by Apple. Vaporware defines the
>> rumor of software, but OS 4.0 is no rumor.
>
>And the hardware has been looked at too, whether or not Apple intended
>for it to be.
Irrelevant: prototype, not released, and nothing to do with the OS.
"Stay on target, Luke, stay on target!"
--
Best regards,
John
"Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level
and then beat you with experience." -Dr. Alan Zimmerman
In article <j3jov5lfdkqkjf3t6nddkdk5ia4tivj9f5@4ax.com>, Paul Miner
<pminer@elrancho.invalid> wrote:
> >> In due course it will be, whatever OS 4.0 actually is, not the current
> >> vaporware.
> >
> >It's not vaporware; it has been anounced by Apple. Vaporware defines the
> >rumor of software, but OS 4.0 is no rumor.
>
> Not true. Announcements certainly qualify as vaporware, although I
> understand in this case something has actually shipped (to
> developers).
4 betas so far and probably another before final release, expected in
june. it's definitely not vapor.
although android 2.2 was announced and a pre-release for nexus one
surfaced, the final release has not yet occurred and it might be a
while for some devices.
While I canąt comment on specifics, we do expect DROID by Motorola
users will receive Android 2.2 as a software upgrade in the near
future.
near future?? (translated, 'vapor'). elsewhere in the article, it says
that htc is planning on the end of the year. sounds like even more
vapor.
if iphone os 4 is considered vapor (despite its imminent release in
just a couple of weeks), then android 2.2 must be considered even more
vapor. can't have it both ways.
more importantly, not all devices will run android 2.2, including the
t-mobile g1 which is currently being sold, *new*, right *now*.
In article <84lov5pf9hvmied520f5g9llsn9uu0km7d@4ax.com>, John Navas
<jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >And the hardware has been looked at too, whether or not Apple intended
> >for it to be.
>
> Irrelevant: prototype, not released, and nothing to do with the OS.
near final (dvt) and it will have more features than what has been
announced for iphone os 4.
Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote on [25 May 2010 21:36:29 GMT]:
> In alt.cellular.verizon John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>> In due course it will be, whatever OS 4.0 actually is, not the current
>> vaporware.
>
> It's not vaporware; it has been anounced by Apple. Vaporware defines the
> rumor of software, but OS 4.0 is no rumor.
Um, until it makes it to the consumer it is not released. Vaporware is
software or hardare that is announced but never released. Plenty
of vaporware has "shipped" to developers and review units.
In alt.cellular.verizon nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <862u6tF25pU1@mid.individual.net>, Thomas T. Veldhouse
> <veldy71@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In alt.cellular.verizon John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> > In due course it will be, whatever OS 4.0 actually is, not the current
>> > vaporware.
>>
>> It's not vaporware; it has been anounced by Apple. Vaporware defines the
>> rumor of software, but OS 4.0 is no rumor.
>
> not only has it been announced but it has shipped to developers. apple
> said the final version will ship in summer 2010 and it's not summer
> yet. nothing vapor about it.
>
> compare that to adobe flash for mobile, which was supposed to be done
> *last* year and it's still not done.
Steve Jobs doesn't seem to like Adobe much at all and it seems that Flash on
the iPod is influenced by this.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
Religion is a crutch, but that's okay... humanity is a cripple.
In alt.cellular.verizon Paul Miner <pminer@elrancho.invalid> wrote:
> On 25 May 2010 21:36:29 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>In alt.cellular.verizon John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In due course it will be, whatever OS 4.0 actually is, not the current
>>> vaporware.
>>
>>It's not vaporware; it has been anounced by Apple. Vaporware defines the
>>rumor of software, but OS 4.0 is no rumor.
>
> Not true. Announcements certainly qualify as vaporware, although I
> understand in this case something has actually shipped (to
> developers).
>
Actual release announcements are not vaporware; they require demonstration
[kind of like Windows beta and release candidates come before the
announcement]. There is working software out there which makes it real
software, not vaporware. My statement that OS 4.0 is no rumor is a shorter
way of saying the obvious which I apparently just had to explain.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
Religion is a crutch, but that's okay... humanity is a cripple.
In alt.cellular.verizon nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <j3jov5lfdkqkjf3t6nddkdk5ia4tivj9f5@4ax.com>, Paul Miner
> <pminer@elrancho.invalid> wrote:
>
> more importantly, not all devices will run android 2.2, including the
> t-mobile g1 which is currently being sold, *new*, right *now*.
Not all iPods that run 3.1.x will run 4.0 either. Only iPod Touch Gen 3 and
iPhone GS models (not sure about any previous iPhone model) will accept OS
4.0.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
Religion is a crutch, but that's okay... humanity is a cripple.
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