Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:28:32 GMT, John Navas
<spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:32:15 GMT, karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote in
><lgk3v2pigvo1kht5f86gvni2g0jbl1mfek@4ax.com>:
>
>>Particularly annoying since my account shows as having txt messaging
>>turned off.
>>
>>Received this spam today suggesting I go to cingular.com/msg
>
>None here.
Likely because you currently allow txt messages.
They arrogant bast_rds at Cingular say "We didnt send SPAM, we sent an
administreative message"
I said "Were you trying to sell me something extra"
"Yes"
"Then its SPAM"
=================
You now have to request that your account be modified not to receive
"Administrative txt messages"; next time they'll have yet another name
for it so they can violate their own Privacy Rules.
> On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:28:32 GMT, John Navas
> <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:32:15 GMT, karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote in
> ><lgk3v2pigvo1kht5f86gvni2g0jbl1mfek@4ax.com>:
> >
> >>Particularly annoying since my account shows as having txt messaging
> >>turned off.
> >>
> >>Received this spam today suggesting I go to cingular.com/msg
> >
> >None here.
>
>
> Likely because you currently allow txt messages.
>
> They arrogant bast_rds at Cingular say "We didnt send SPAM, we sent an
> administreative message"
>
> I said "Were you trying to sell me something extra"
>
> "Yes"
>
> "Then its SPAM"
>
Boy, that taught them, didn't it?
Happy I never them.
>Particularly annoying since my account shows as having txt messaging
>turned off.
>
>Received this spam today suggesting I go to cingular.com/msg
If you have registered for OLAM there is a specific section for how
they can contact you for marketing. You may well have told them that
text messaging from them was OK. Under any circumstances just uncheck
the box.
I have received a couple of these messages. They all start off with
the phrase "Cingular Free Message" or something like that. That means
you are not paying from them. All of them also said that to stop them
sinply reply "STOP". I would assume that that message is also free.
Remember also that you have business relationship with Cingular and
that they have a right to contact you with sales pitches UNTIL you say
no.
So - just say "NO" or in this case "STOP" and all should be taken care
of. If only the true spam we get as e-mail were so easy to stop.
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:07:35 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
<elmop-D6C409.09073510032007@nntp1.usenetserver.com>:
>In article <sr54v21eok48ahgtci3888ag75nq2ip557@4ax.com>,
> karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:28:32 GMT, John Navas
>> <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:32:15 GMT, karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote in
>> ><lgk3v2pigvo1kht5f86gvni2g0jbl1mfek@4ax.com>:
>> >
>> >>Particularly annoying since my account shows as having txt messaging
>> >>turned off.
>> >>
>> >>Received this spam today suggesting I go to cingular.com/msg
>> >
>> >None here.
>>
>> Likely because you currently allow txt messages.
>>
>> They arrogant bast_rds at Cingular say "We didnt send SPAM, we sent an
>> administreative message"
>>
>> I said "Were you trying to sell me something extra"
>>
>> "Yes"
>>
>> "Then its SPAM"
>
>Happens to me all the time, and yes, I have text messaging turned OFF
>for all my lines.
>
>You will never, ever hear John Navas acknowledge that something like
>this ever happened to him. It's no doubt happened--
Nope, wrong yet again.
>Cingular sends
>"administrative" spam for all sorts of things--but the cognitive
>dissonance that would set up in Navas's brain would cause it to explode.
The only message Cingular has sent me in months was when I got my new 3G
SIM for my new Moto RAZR V3xx.
>Therefore, the fuse kicks in and it's like he never even saw the matter
>happen.
>
>Navas is excellent at innocently claiming that none of these things ever
>happen to him.
Only in your childish dreams. Grow up.
--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:05:06 -0500, Mary <zzz@zzz.com> wrote in
<7ce5v2d58poki2lh64fq0cf9jcagdnrlvp@4ax.com>:
>On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:32:15 GMT, karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>>Particularly annoying since my account shows as having txt messaging
>>turned off.
>>
>>Received this spam today suggesting I go to cingular.com/msg
>
>If you have registered for OLAM there is a specific section for how
>they can contact you for marketing. You may well have told them that
>text messaging from them was OK. Under any circumstances just uncheck
>the box.
>
>I have received a couple of these messages. They all start off with
>the phrase "Cingular Free Message" or something like that. That means
>you are not paying from them. All of them also said that to stop them
>sinply reply "STOP". I would assume that that message is also free.
>
>Remember also that you have business relationship with Cingular and
>that they have a right to contact you with sales pitches UNTIL you say
>no.
>
>So - just say "NO" or in this case "STOP" and all should be taken care
>of. If only the true spam we get as e-mail were so easy to stop.
Well said.
--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:05:06 -0500, Mary <zzz@zzz.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:32:15 GMT, karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>>Particularly annoying since my account shows as having txt messaging
>>turned off.
>>
>>Received this spam today suggesting I go to cingular.com/msg
>
>If you have registered for OLAM
Nope
> there is a specific section for how
>they can contact you for marketing. You may well have told them that
>text messaging from them was OK. Under any circumstances just uncheck
>the box.
>
>I have received a couple of these messages. They all start off with
>the phrase "Cingular Free Message" or something like that. That means
>you are not paying from them. All of them also said that to stop them
>sinply reply "STOP". I would assume that that message is also free.
Yesterday's SPAM had no such option.
>
>Remember also that you have business relationship with Cingular and
>that they have a right to contact you with sales pitches UNTIL you say
>no.
I had 3 years ago. Txt messaging was disabled on my account,
but now SPAM is redefined as "Administrative Message".
>
>So - just say "NO" or in this case "STOP" and all should be taken care
>of. If only the true spam we get as e-mail were so easy to stop.
I called in and asked not to received "Administrative Messages"
that may work till they play another semantic word game
and call SPAM something else again.
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
Mary wrote:
> Remember also that you have business relationship with Cingular and
> that they have a right to contact you with sales pitches UNTIL you say
> no.
One of the following is true:
1. One day I woke up, tripped over my slippers, and went tumbling into the
Do Not Call List. There's no way out, I'm trapped forever.
2. I went out of my way to find out about the Do Not Call List, made a
special effort to contact the list, and deliberately entered my phone
number, in order to tell telemarketers not to contact me by phone.
If the first is true, you may have a valid point. If the second is true,
then anyone who telemarkets to me by phone is going out of his way to
countermand my wishes. Whether that entity has a right to do so is
irrelevant.
You sound like someone who thinks it's okay to walk up and start beating
another person until and unless they say "uncle". You could make a really
good living walking up to private conversations and giving those involved
a good sales pitch in the middle of their chat.
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in
news:8q7bc4-7pg.ln1@remote.clifto.com:
> Mary wrote:
>> Remember also that you have business relationship with Cingular and
>> that they have a right to contact you with sales pitches UNTIL you
>> say no.
>
> One of the following is true:
>
> 1. One day I woke up, tripped over my slippers, and went tumbling into
> the Do Not Call List. There's no way out, I'm trapped forever.
> 2. I went out of my way to find out about the Do Not Call List, made a
> special effort to contact the list, and deliberately entered my phone
> number, in order to tell telemarketers not to contact me by phone.
>
> If the first is true, you may have a valid point. If the second is
> true, then anyone who telemarkets to me by phone is going out of his
> way to countermand my wishes. Whether that entity has a right to do so
> is irrelevant.
>
Except that the law was not written that way. Your intended outcome would
not supercede the regulation. The law allows exceptions- the do-not-call
list is not the end all, be all that many people wrongly think it is.
>On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:05:06 -0500, Mary <zzz@zzz.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:32:15 GMT, karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>
>>>Particularly annoying since my account shows as having txt messaging
>>>turned off.
>>>
>>>Received this spam today suggesting I go to cingular.com/msg
>>
>>If you have registered for OLAM
>
>Nope
>
>> there is a specific section for how
>>they can contact you for marketing. You may well have told them that
>>text messaging from them was OK. Under any circumstances just uncheck
>>the box.
>>
>>I have received a couple of these messages. They all start off with
>>the phrase "Cingular Free Message" or something like that. That means
>>you are not paying from them. All of them also said that to stop them
>>sinply reply "STOP". I would assume that that message is also free.
>
>
>Yesterday's SPAM had no such option.
If yesterday's message did not have option described above then it
probably wasn't from Cingular. The few that I have received from
Cingular were very clear in their origin.
If it wasn't from Cingular then call and bitch like hell at them. If
enough people who get true spam call and do this to all of the
carriers then maybe they'll decide they should do something about it.
Good luck
>>
>>Remember also that you have business relationship with Cingular and
>>that they have a right to contact you with sales pitches UNTIL you say
>>no.
>
>
>I had 3 years ago. Txt messaging was disabled on my account,
>but now SPAM is redefined as "Administrative Message".
>>
>>So - just say "NO" or in this case "STOP" and all should be taken care
>>of. If only the true spam we get as e-mail were so easy to stop.
>
>
>I called in and asked not to received "Administrative Messages"
>that may work till they play another semantic word game
>and call SPAM something else again.
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:51:36 -0600, clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote:
>Mary wrote:
>> Remember also that you have business relationship with Cingular and
>> that they have a right to contact you with sales pitches UNTIL you say
>> no.
>
>One of the following is true:
>
>1. One day I woke up, tripped over my slippers, and went tumbling into the
>Do Not Call List. There's no way out, I'm trapped forever.
>2. I went out of my way to find out about the Do Not Call List, made a
>special effort to contact the list, and deliberately entered my phone
>number, in order to tell telemarketers not to contact me by phone.
>
>If the first is true, you may have a valid point. If the second is true,
>then anyone who telemarkets to me by phone is going out of his way to
>countermand my wishes. Whether that entity has a right to do so is
>irrelevant.
>
>You sound like someone who thinks it's okay to walk up and start beating
>another person until and unless they say "uncle". You could make a really
>good living walking up to private conversations and giving those involved
>a good sales pitch in the middle of their chat.
Did you flunk reading comprehension in school. I said only that if the
message was from Cingular then it was easy to stop. As far as saying I
think it is OK to just go up and start beating somebody then I invite
you to come up to me and even intimate that you are going to do
something. I can assure you that my knee will end up causing you to
speak with a higher pitched voice than mine LOL. Have a great day.
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 13:39:21 -0500, Mary <zzz@zzz.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:33:07 GMT, karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:05:06 -0500, Mary <zzz@zzz.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:32:15 GMT, karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>Particularly annoying since my account shows as having txt messaging
>>>>turned off.
>>>>
>>>>Received this spam today suggesting I go to cingular.com/msg
>>>
>>>If you have registered for OLAM
>>
>>Nope
>>
>>> there is a specific section for how
>>>they can contact you for marketing. You may well have told them that
>>>text messaging from them was OK. Under any circumstances just uncheck
>>>the box.
>>>
>>>I have received a couple of these messages. They all start off with
>>>the phrase "Cingular Free Message" or something like that. That means
>>>you are not paying from them. All of them also said that to stop them
>>>sinply reply "STOP". I would assume that that message is also free.
>>
>>
>>Yesterday's SPAM had no such option.
>
>If yesterday's message did not have option described above then it
>probably wasn't from Cingular. The few that I have received from
>Cingular were very clear in their origin.
>
>If it wasn't from Cingular then call and bitch like hell at them. If
>enough people who get true spam call and do this to all of the
>carriers then maybe they'll decide they should do something about it.
>
It most definitely was form Cingular, and they proudly proclaimed
their SPAM as an "Administrative mnessage", but it had no opt out
message in it.
>Good luck
>
>>>
>>>Remember also that you have business relationship with Cingular and
>>>that they have a right to contact you with sales pitches UNTIL you say
>>>no.
>>
>>
>>I had 3 years ago. Txt messaging was disabled on my account,
>>but now SPAM is redefined as "Administrative Message".
>>>
>>>So - just say "NO" or in this case "STOP" and all should be taken care
>>>of. If only the true spam we get as e-mail were so easy to stop.
>>
>>
>>I called in and asked not to received "Administrative Messages"
>>that may work till they play another semantic word game
>>and call SPAM something else again.
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
Scott wrote:
> clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Whether that entity has a right to do so
>> is irrelevant.
>
> Except that the law was not written that way. Your intended outcome would
> not supercede the regulation. The law allows exceptions- the do-not-call
> list is not the end all, be all that many people wrongly think it is.
You may have missed my last sentence.
The fact that I am able to fart loudly in church, and probably not even
get kicked out for it, doesn't mean it's not excessively annoying and
downright rude. The same goes for the telesleaze.
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in
news:l8qbc4-rgi.ln1@remote.clifto.com:
> Scott wrote:
>> clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Whether that entity has a right to do so
>>> is irrelevant.
>>
>> Except that the law was not written that way. Your intended outcome
>> would not supercede the regulation. The law allows exceptions- the
>> do-not-call list is not the end all, be all that many people wrongly
>> think it is.
>
> You may have missed my last sentence.
>
> The fact that I am able to fart loudly in church, and probably not
> even get kicked out for it, doesn't mean it's not excessively annoying
> and downright rude. The same goes for the telesleaze.
>
Understood, but legislating annoying and rude behavior would require
another new arm of the government to handle the volume.
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
Mary wrote:
> Did you flunk reading comprehension in school.
All right, since you can't comprehend what I wrote, we'll settle on the
ad-hominems instead. Unlike you, I do remember the rules of punctuation
they taught me in second grade, and third grade, and fourth grade, and
fifth grade, and sixth grade, and so on for many years. Specifically,
I remember the rule that says that one punctuates a question with a
question mark.
Just a little reminder to go back and actually pass second grade.
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
I got a recorded voice message from Cingular today about making sure my
Treo was updated for daylight savings time.
Haven't gotten any text messages from them yet.
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 15:46:24 -0800, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com>
wrote:
>I got a recorded voice message from Cingular today about making sure my
>Treo was updated for daylight savings time.
>Haven't gotten any text messages from them yet.
One question. Do you, or for that matter, does anybody consider this
type of message to be spam? Personally I don't. I haven't checked my
phone yet but I would actually appreciate there sending it out.
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:15:51 -0600, clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote:
>Mary wrote:
>> Did you flunk reading comprehension in school.
>
>All right, since you can't comprehend what I wrote, we'll settle on the
>ad-hominems instead. Unlike you, I do remember the rules of punctuation
>they taught me in second grade, and third grade, and fourth grade, and
>fifth grade, and sixth grade, and so on for many years. Specifically,
>I remember the rule that says that one punctuates a question with a
>question mark.
>
>Just a little reminder to go back and actually pass second grade.
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:39:00 -0400, Mary <zzz@zzz.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 15:46:24 -0800, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I got a recorded voice message from Cingular today about making sure my
>>Treo was updated for daylight savings time.
>>Haven't gotten any text messages from them yet.
>
>
>One question. Do you, or for that matter, does anybody consider this
>type of message to be spam? Personally I don't. I haven't checked my
>phone yet but I would actually appreciate there sending it out.
This is quite DIFFERENT from the SPAM I received by text message which
only wanted to sell txt and photo messaging, and had no
way listed to stop future such SPAM, and was sent to a cell phone
where txt messaging had been disabled (and was still showing as such
in Cingular's records). You sure are working
hard to defend the undefendable.
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:47:48 GMT, karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote in
<duq7v29vsu07n8o9g6953mcgcg4rfjdlou@4ax.com>:
>On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:39:00 -0400, Mary <zzz@zzz.com> wrote:
>>One question. Do you, or for that matter, does anybody consider this
>>type of message to be spam? Personally I don't. I haven't checked my
>>phone yet but I would actually appreciate there sending it out.
>
>This is quite DIFFERENT from the SPAM I received by text message which
>only wanted to sell txt and photo messaging, and had no
>way listed to stop future such SPAM, and was sent to a cell phone
>where txt messaging had been disabled (and was still showing as such
>in Cingular's records). You sure are working
>hard to defend the undefendable.
No offense intended, but I think this is a tempest in a teapot. Despite
how you feel personally, this isn't actual "spam" by the commonly
accepted definition. You have an existing business relationship with
Cingular, which makes it legal and legitimate for Cingular to contact
you regarding that business relationship. If you don't want such
communications from Cingular, then do business with someone else. If
you don't like that legal standard, then contact your government. And
think hard about why you're getting major upset over something so minor.
--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
news:i748v211kkj2caada5v9t7a8145ipo8jcs@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:47:48 GMT, karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote in
> <duq7v29vsu07n8o9g6953mcgcg4rfjdlou@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:39:00 -0400, Mary <zzz@zzz.com> wrote:
>
>>>One question. Do you, or for that matter, does anybody consider this
>>>type of message to be spam? Personally I don't. I haven't checked my
>>>phone yet but I would actually appreciate there sending it out.
>>
>>This is quite DIFFERENT from the SPAM I received by text message which
>>only wanted to sell txt and photo messaging, and had no
>>way listed to stop future such SPAM, and was sent to a cell phone
>>where txt messaging had been disabled (and was still showing as such
>>in Cingular's records). You sure are working
>>hard to defend the undefendable.
>
> No offense intended, but I think this is a tempest in a teapot. Despite
> how you feel personally, this isn't actual "spam" by the commonly
> accepted definition. You have an existing business relationship with
> Cingular, which makes it legal and legitimate for Cingular to contact
> you regarding that business relationship. If you don't want such
> communications from Cingular, then do business with someone else. If
> you don't like that legal standard, then contact your government. And
> think hard about why you're getting major upset over something so minor.
>
It's like the Do-Not-Call registry. Anyone you currently do business with
can still call you, even though you're on the do-not-call list.
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
PCs Rule wrote:
> "John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
> news:i748v211kkj2caada5v9t7a8145ipo8jcs@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:47:48 GMT, karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote in
>> <duq7v29vsu07n8o9g6953mcgcg4rfjdlou@4ax.com>:
>>
>>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:39:00 -0400, Mary <zzz@zzz.com> wrote:
>>>> One question. Do you, or for that matter, does anybody consider this
>>>> type of message to be spam? Personally I don't. I haven't checked my
>>>> phone yet but I would actually appreciate there sending it out.
>>> This is quite DIFFERENT from the SPAM I received by text message which
>>> only wanted to sell txt and photo messaging, and had no
>>> way listed to stop future such SPAM, and was sent to a cell phone
>>> where txt messaging had been disabled (and was still showing as such
>>> in Cingular's records). You sure are working
>>> hard to defend the undefendable.
>> No offense intended, but I think this is a tempest in a teapot. Despite
>> how you feel personally, this isn't actual "spam" by the commonly
>> accepted definition. You have an existing business relationship with
>> Cingular, which makes it legal and legitimate for Cingular to contact
>> you regarding that business relationship. If you don't want such
>> communications from Cingular, then do business with someone else. If
>> you don't like that legal standard, then contact your government. And
>> think hard about why you're getting major upset over something so minor.
>>
> It's like the Do-Not-Call registry. Anyone you currently do business with
> can still call you, even though you're on the do-not-call list.
>
>
The do not call list is a joke. SBC told me there is no way to enforce
it. All they offered to do was change my number. Which is no way the
fault of SBC. I was getting fax machine tones in my ear at all hours of
the day and night.
My number is unlisted. But I found out that 5 years ago that my number
was a fax machine number.
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
<karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:lgk3v2pigvo1kht5f86gvni2g0jbl1mfek@4ax.com...
> Particularly annoying since my account shows as having txt messaging
> turned off.
>
> Received this spam today suggesting I go to cingular.com/msg
Mine has some "wappush" (text spam) buried in the message and it is from
some Yahoo! ad ingrate. The words Cingular appear so you thinik it from
them, but it isn't on mine. If you click to find out or to unsubscribe, it
calls the ingrate and then you get free phone text spam you pay for life.
Don't reply to the message if you see wappush. You've been warned!
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
SNIP
>>
>The do not call list is a joke. SBC told me there is no way to enforce
>it. All they offered to do was change my number. Which is no way the
>fault of SBC. I was getting fax machine tones in my ear at all hours of
>the day and night.
>
>My number is unlisted. But I found out that 5 years ago that my number
>was a fax machine number.
I think it is interesting how different people have had different
results with the Do Not Call List. In my case I signed up before the
list became active. Over the past year or two I have seen other
comments similar to yours so it does seem like this list works well
for some and not at all for others.
My experience has been: I had 2 calls (both from local companies) the
first month of it being in place. Also I had voicemail a couple of
months ago from one other company, not national.
So in my case the DNC list has worked great. To be honest I really
didn't expect it to work but it apparently has for me. Now if the
congress would only outlaw there own damn calls and those of every
charity under the sun I would really be happy.
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
Scott wrote:
> clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Scott wrote:
>>> clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Whether that entity has a right to do so
>>>> is irrelevant.
>>>
>>> Except that the law was not written that way. Your intended outcome
>>> would not supercede the regulation. The law allows exceptions- the
>>> do-not-call list is not the end all, be all that many people wrongly
>>> think it is.
>>
>> You may have missed my last sentence.
>>
>> The fact that I am able to fart loudly in church, and probably not
>> even get kicked out for it, doesn't mean it's not excessively annoying
>> and downright rude. The same goes for the telesleaze.
>
> Understood, but legislating annoying and rude behavior would require
> another new arm of the government to handle the volume.
While they were writing the TCPA, they had to go out of their way to
include language exempting bozos from the rules. They put deliberation
and hard work into giving them permission to abuse their relationships
with their customers. This is not a case of needing special legislation
to make them conform to the rules, which your comment might address,
but one of going out of their way to please the telesleaze operations.
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
In article <5gq7v256jnhp4683hufa05qbddn6suapol@4ax.com>,
Mary <zzz@zzz.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 15:46:24 -0800, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I got a recorded voice message from Cingular today about making sure my
> >Treo was updated for daylight savings time.
> >Haven't gotten any text messages from them yet.
>
>
> One question. Do you, or for that matter, does anybody consider this
> type of message to be spam? Personally I don't. I haven't checked my
> phone yet but I would actually appreciate there sending it out.
Yes, this was fine for me. Appreciated the heads-up, even though I
already took care of it. Thousands probably wouldn't have, otherwise.
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
In article <i5t8v2duei2vngmkjmt7tu6k36fdrjuad3@4ax.com>,
Mary <zzz@zzz.com> wrote:
> SNIP
>
>
> >>
> >The do not call list is a joke. SBC told me there is no way to enforce
> >it. All they offered to do was change my number. Which is no way the
> >fault of SBC. I was getting fax machine tones in my ear at all hours of
> >the day and night.
> >
> >My number is unlisted. But I found out that 5 years ago that my number
> >was a fax machine number.
>
>
> I think it is interesting how different people have had different
> results with the Do Not Call List. In my case I signed up before the
> list became active. Over the past year or two I have seen other
> comments similar to yours so it does seem like this list works well
> for some and not at all for others.
>
> My experience has been: I had 2 calls (both from local companies) the
> first month of it being in place. Also I had voicemail a couple of
> months ago from one other company, not national.
>
> So in my case the DNC list has worked great. To be honest I really
> didn't expect it to work but it apparently has for me. Now if the
> congress would only outlaw there own damn calls and those of every
> charity under the sun I would really be happy.
In my experience., the Do Not Call list has worked well, EXCEPT for the
incessant Indian telemarketers trying to sell web services.
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in
news:b0fec4-05e.ln1@remote.clifto.com:
> Scott wrote:
>> clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Scott wrote:
>>>> clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Whether that entity has a right to do so
>>>>> is irrelevant.
>>>>
>>>> Except that the law was not written that way. Your intended
>>>> outcome would not supercede the regulation. The law allows
>>>> exceptions- the do-not-call list is not the end all, be all that
>>>> many people wrongly think it is.
>>>
>>> You may have missed my last sentence.
>>>
>>> The fact that I am able to fart loudly in church, and probably not
>>> even get kicked out for it, doesn't mean it's not excessively
>>> annoying and downright rude. The same goes for the telesleaze.
>>
>> Understood, but legislating annoying and rude behavior would require
>> another new arm of the government to handle the volume.
>
> While they were writing the TCPA, they had to go out of their way to
> include language exempting bozos from the rules. They put deliberation
> and hard work into giving them permission to abuse their relationships
> with their customers. This is not a case of needing special
> legislation to make them conform to the rules, which your comment
> might address, but one of going out of their way to please the
> telesleaze operations.
>
Again understood, but I don't see how the "Telesleaze operators" were
pleased by this. There are only a few exceptions to the DNC:
- non-profit organizations
- political calls (you don't actually expect them to cut off their own
noses, do you?) - companies with which you have had a working business
relationship in the last ? years (I don't remember the timeframe)
Most companies (Cingular included) do give you the ability to opt-out of
scenario three, which is interestingly enough the only exception that
you can opt to exclude. Personally, I find the "public service calls"
from G Dubya and Babs Streisand around election time to be much more
obnoxious and intrusive, and yet I can't tell them not to call.
I fail to see where the telemarketers were given any slack. If you're
getting calls from someone who doesn't meet one of the exclusions above,
reprt them to the FCC. There were some big and well publicized fines
handed out when the national DNC was first instituted. As time went on,
people stopped reporting telemarketers as much.
I have yet to get any calls from anyone but the local ARC store and a
ton of politicians at election time (and I've been on the list since its
inception). I don't get any calls from any of my service providers
because I did request them to take me off thier calling lists. I
haven't had to tell anyone twice.
Re: Anyone else get TXT Message Spam from Cingular lately?
Buzzing in Late, but "No I haven't gotten any such Msg from Cingular and
like the Original poster. In fact, I don't know that I ever get anything
from Cingular, though I'd be annoyed if I did. But in my case, Text
Messages are active and I'd tolerate a text message over an actual phone
call. If I had text messaging turned off and was charged for a message they
sent, even if it was a penny, I'd be pretty pissed. But I don't think they
charge for internal messages.
I love the Do No call list. I went from getting calls at least twice a week
to absolutely nothing. MCI, who I was technically using, because they owned
the 10-10-220 people, called all the time. But I filed a compliant on the do
not call website and never heard from them again
On a side note, I have allstate and Allstate person (or some group they
hired) called me one day to sell me their roadside assistance program. I let
the lady give me the pitch and then said, I wasn't interersted. Where she
pissed me off, is with the generic telemarktting crap of " But sir, it's
only $1 for the first 2 months, so let's go ahead and get that started and
you can look over the paper work to decide if it's right for you".
Nothing sets me off more than a telemarketer thinking they are just going to
sign me right on up like I'm a mindless moron.
After I told her to buzz off, I called Allstate and gave them an earful and
made the usual threat that, even though I've been with Allstate for 10
years, if I get another telemarketing style call trying to sell me
something, I have no problems switching over to Progressive or Geico in a
heartbeat. They gave me the usual "we're very sorry, won't happen
again..blah blah blah" Had they said it was an "Administraive call' and that
I would get them from time to time, I probably would have switched over to
someone else.
I don't mind FYI calls, e-mails, snail mail text messages. But call and talk
to me like a mindless sheep and I'll go all Hulk rage on ya
"Mary" <zzz@zzz.com> wrote in message
news:i5t8v2duei2vngmkjmt7tu6k36fdrjuad3@4ax.com...
> SNIP
>
>
>>>
>>The do not call list is a joke. SBC told me there is no way to enforce
>>it. All they offered to do was change my number. Which is no way the
>>fault of SBC. I was getting fax machine tones in my ear at all hours of
>>the day and night.
>>
>>My number is unlisted. But I found out that 5 years ago that my number
>>was a fax machine number.
>
>
> I think it is interesting how different people have had different
> results with the Do Not Call List. In my case I signed up before the
> list became active. Over the past year or two I have seen other
> comments similar to yours so it does seem like this list works well
> for some and not at all for others.
>
> My experience has been: I had 2 calls (both from local companies) the
> first month of it being in place. Also I had voicemail a couple of
> months ago from one other company, not national.
>
> So in my case the DNC list has worked great. To be honest I really
> didn't expect it to work but it apparently has for me. Now if the
> congress would only outlaw there own damn calls and those of every
> charity under the sun I would really be happy.
>
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