> > You were one of those people, waiting on line, weren't you? <g>
>
> And then trying to sell them on eBay.
the gold mine of eBay won't happened until christmas, apple's
manufacturing prowess is just too strong, until even santa can't make
enough. then you get into a 4GB going for $1,100, 8GB $1,400 on December
20th or so.
my "educated" guess is Apple will sell 35 million iphones by Dec 31st
2007. this product is THAT good.
the only caveat is what will happen with the iPod line... if they
release a iPod with WiFi and Safari / Mail access, (no phone) the iPhone
will drop to 15 million sold by 12/20/07, but either way, Apple will hit
the 1% cell marketshare within this year, exactly according to
(internal) plan.
> > the gold mine of eBay won't happened until christmas, apple's
> > manufacturing prowess is just too strong, until even santa can't make
> > enough. then you get into a 4GB going for $1,100, 8GB $1,400 on December
> > 20th or so.
> >
> > my "educated" guess is Apple will sell 35 million iphones by Dec 31st
> > 2007. this product is THAT good.
>
> You're an idiot
and you base this on what level of info???
do you realize how many iPhones I have sold? It's WAY more than any
device apple has EVER sold. Apple will hit 2 million sold by the end of
the month at this rate, so 35 million by christmas time is well within
rational reason.
do you hold stock in old school cell companies? is that your problem?
i'm just asking you to look at facts, nothing more.
"Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
news:labolide-7191F9.11290110072007@news.giganews.com...
> In article <JqSdnWnODsYZIw7bnZ2dnUVZ_sSmnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> "MuahMan" <MuahMan@yahue.com> wrote:
>
>> "Notan" <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote in message
>> news:LaidnbsnKKLhJQ7bnZ2dnUVZ_rXinZ2d@giganews.com ...
>> > none wrote:
>> >> Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>>>> Probably would've been a better move by Apple from the get-go. At
>> >>>>>> least people don't expect to be able to use an
>> >>>>>> iPod like a pocket computer, unlike the iPhone which screams
>> >>>>>> "look!
>> >>>>>> I'm a PDA" but can't run software.
>> >>>>> The iPhone simply screams, "Look, I'm a really cool multi-function
>> >>>>> phone where everything is easy to use and intuitive."
>> >>>>> That's what people have been waiting for. That's why it's selling.
>> >>>> 100% correct, and that's why it has become the fastest selling cell
>> >>>> phone in history.
>> >>> You don't think "hype" had anything to do with it?
>> >>
>> >> I don't think there was any "hype" surrounding the iPhone, just lots
>> >> and
>> >> lots of actual/truthful information. Apple's ads were straight to the
>> >> point and lacking in any "hype". Watch them, it's very much "just the
>> >> facts".
>> >>
>> >> http://www.apple.com/iphone/ads/ad1/
>> >>
>> >> The word "hype", would mean something that couldn't be delivered, or
>> >> was
>> >> "grandiose"... and with the iPhone, everyone agrees that it delivers
>> >> exactly how Apple advertised it, BUT much more.
>> >>
>> >> So if you want to get "technical" there was "less hype" that what the
>> >> product actually delivered.
>> >>
>> >> Sure the media got a little carried away, but even with that, there
>> >> was
>> >> little "hype" after the fact. the iPhone is easily the best smart
>> >> phone
>> >> on the market, and everyone agrees with that.
>> >
>> > You were one of those people, waiting on line, weren't you? <g>
>> >
>> > --
>> > Notan
>>
>> It's just a shame he wasn't waiting in line the day they were handing out
>> brains.
>
> BTW- how is your Zune?
>
Are they still selling those things?
> --
> To reply by email, remove the word "space"
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > and
> > didn't sense any hype at all during the day.
>
> No, no hype whatsoever. Nah.
>
> The fact that you, a brain-dead member of the sheeple population, didn't
> "sense" any hype--yeah, that's proof all right.
actually Apple users are some of the most rational, conservative people
in the world. just look at the word "hype" for a second....
2. Exaggerated or extravagant claims made especially in advertising
or promotional material: ³It is pure hype, a gigantic PR job² (Saturday
Review).
Apple did none of that.
3. An advertising or promotional ploy: ³Some restaurant owners in
town are cooking up a $75,000 hype to promote New York as Restaurant
City, U.S.A.¹² (New York).
Apple did none of that.
4. Something deliberately misleading; a deception: ³[He] says that
there isn't any energy crisis at all, that it's all a hype, to maintain
outrageous profits for the oil companies² (Joel Oppenheimer).
Apple did none of that.
----
apple certainly didn't "hype" the product, we all know that. look at the
ads, there is NO HYPE in any of them. "this is how you turn it on". "and
this is how you answer a call", etc, etc... that's not hype in the
slightest.
apple never mislead anyone on the iPhone, everything they have said...
it does.
sounds like you are jealous that apple created the No. 1 smart phone in
the world, with NO hype. They just used facts, and everyone that has one
is amazed by this phone... and that is 10 years ahead of anyone else.
> Awesome Dude. I'm sure you'll be the only one in your 6'th grade class
> with an iPhone.
not in the area i live in, there will be hundreds of iphones in K-12 by
the end of the month, here are just two 7th graders in the iphone line
that bought 2 each.
i think you forget there is a more intelligent world out there, also a
wealthier world... which you might not be apart of because you have set
lower standards for yourself.
>> SPECIFICALLY, what NEW "functions" does it have, outside of the two-
>> fingered slick touchscreen? Everything except webpages and email are
>> forbidden by its ATT masters so there'll be no new stuff from that port.
>> It has little STORAGE, no hard drive and no way to access the OS to
>> "install things" its masters at Apple/ATT don't want on their system.
> I listed out many new features above,
Pity you lied about every single one.
> read it again.
No thanks, its still a complete pack of lies.
> a hard drive would consume battery life and you can write any Web 2.0 app you want
> for it. I just put real time, moving radar on mine. How about your cell phone, can it do this?
Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
> zeez <UltimaUW@excite.com> wrote
>> marc...@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote
>>> Apple plans cheaper, Nano-based phone
>>> Chang said follow to iPhone could be priced at $300 or lower
>> Probably would've been a better move by Apple from the get-go.
>> At least people don't expect to be able to use an iPod like a pocket computer,
>> unlike the iPhone which screams "look! I'm a PDA" but can't run software.
> The iPhone simply screams, "Look, I'm a really cool multi-function
> phone where everything is easy to use and intuitive."
> That's what people have been waiting for. That's why it's selling.
Nope, its selling because of the very expensive marketing campaign.
Have a look at what's happened with the latest releases
of games consoles, exactly the same effect with those too.
There's enough suckers stupid enough to get sucked in.
Brian <brianL@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9 Jul 2007, marc318@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote:
>> Apple plans cheaper, Nano-based phone
>> Chang said follow to iPhone could be priced at $300 or lower
>> Reuters
>> Updated: 2:52 p.m. MT July 9, 2007
>> Apple plans to launch a cheaper version of the iPhone in the fourth
>> quarter that could be based on the ultra-slim iPod Nano music
>> player, according to a JP Morgan report.
>>
>> Kevin Chang, a JP Morgan analyst based in Taiwan, cited people in the
>> supply channel that he did not name and an application with the U.S.
>> Patent and Trademark office for his report.
>>
>> Apple filed a patent application document that refers to a
>> multifunctional handheld device with a circular touch pad control,
>> similar to the Nano's scroll wheel.
>>
>> Apple did not respond to requests for comment.
>>
>> Long lines of people turned out on June 29 when U.S. sales began for
>> the iPhone, a mobile phone with a music player and Web browser.
>> Analysts have estimated that sales in the first weekend were as high
>> as 700,000 units.
>>
>> Chang said a way to follow up the iPhone with a cheaper version
>> would be to convert the Nano into a phone and price it at $300 or
>> lower. The iPhone sells for $500 and $600, depending on storage
>> space.
>>
>> "We believe that iPod Nano will be converted into a phone because
>> it's probably the only way for Apple to launch a lower end phone
>> without severely cannibalizing iPod Nano," he said noting that the
>> new phone could have "rather limited functionality."
>>
>> Because of the anticipated lower price, 2008 sales of 30 million to
>> 40 million units "is achievable," Chang said.
>>
>> This would be a much larger volume than is expected of the first
>> iPhone, Apple has targeted sales of 10 million units in 2008, which
>> would give it a 1 percent share of the global market.
>>
>>
>> Sales of the iPhone are expected to be limited to a small percentage
>> of the market due to its high price tag, particularly in the United
>> States where 85 percent of consumers tend to spend $100 or less on
>> cell phones.
>>
>> But analysts predict that a cheaper phone from Apple, which leads the
>> digital music player market, could pose a much bigger threat to
>> long-established phone makers such as Nokia, Motorola, Samsung
>> Electronics and Sony Ericsson, owned by Sony and Ericsson.
>>
>> Copyright 2007 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or
>> redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without
>> the prior written consent of Reuters.
>> url: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19682602/
>
> Verizon is so-o-o-o-o-o-o-o screwed.
Fantasy.
The vast bulk of phone users want dirt cheap phones, you watch.
The iphone is too big for anyone who doesnt want to browse the web and do email.
In article <5fi6f2F3cdivaU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Brian <brianL@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 9 Jul 2007, marc318@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote:
[snip]
> >
> > Verizon is so-o-o-o-o-o-o-o screwed.
>
> Fantasy.
>
> The vast bulk of phone users want dirt cheap phones, you watch.
>
> The iphone is too big for anyone who doesnt want to browse the web and do
> email.
It seems to be about the same size as my PDA, which sits fine in my
pocket. Thing is, I don't need to spend that much on a phone. I got a
£50 pay as you go from Tesco and that does fine. No web shit, no camera,
no nothing. Just a freaking phone.
Tim Streater <timstreater@waitrose.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Brian <brianL@gmail.com> wrote
>>> marc318@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote
>>> Verizon is so-o-o-o-o-o-o-o screwed.
>> Fantasy.
>> The vast bulk of phone users want dirt cheap phones, you watch.
>> The iphone is too big for anyone who doesnt want to browse the web and do email.
> It seems to be about the same size as my PDA, which sits fine in my pocket.
And most want something smaller than that.
There's no point in carting around something that big unless you
need the larger screen and you dont for phone and music playing.
> Thing is, I don't need to spend that much on a phone.
> I got a £50 pay as you go from Tesco and that does fine.
> No web shit, no camera, no nothing. Just a freaking phone.
Then there is no point in carting around something that big which is
much more fragile than the average phone because of its glass screen.
At the rate at which people drop their phones alone, the iphone has its downsides.
I prefer to have a camera for the occasional casual use like when
shopping around for a higher priced item, its easier to take a photo
of the various offers than to enter the details into a non camera phone.
> >> You're an idiot
> >
> > and you base this on what level of info???
>
> Every report that says Apple aims to sell 10 million by 2008.
>
> IOW, it ain't happening for 3.5 times that many.
those are just the easy "external" goals, but already 1 million in 7-8
days, show the "internal" goals are right on track, and then some...
my gut feeling is 22 million by xmas, but much depends on what the new
ipods look / priced at.
but 10 million iphones by xmas, no problem. just like what was planned
all along.
Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <5fi6f2F3cdivaU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Brian <brianL@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 9 Jul 2007, marc318@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>> Verizon is so-o-o-o-o-o-o-o screwed.
>> Fantasy.
>>
>> The vast bulk of phone users want dirt cheap phones, you watch.
>>
>> The iphone is too big for anyone who doesnt want to browse the web and do
>> email.
>
> It seems to be about the same size as my PDA, which sits fine in my
> pocket. Thing is, I don't need to spend that much on a phone. I got a
> £50 pay as you go from Tesco and that does fine. No web shit, no camera,
> no nothing. Just a freaking phone.
There exists a huge number of people that prefer a *great* phone that *only*
makes phone calls, over a *fairly good* phone that does a smattering of
*everything*.
Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:
> Tim Streater wrote:
>> In article <5fi6f2F3cdivaU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Brian <brianL@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 9 Jul 2007, marc318@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>>> Verizon is so-o-o-o-o-o-o-o screwed.
>>> Fantasy.
>>>
>>> The vast bulk of phone users want dirt cheap phones, you watch.
>>>
>>> The iphone is too big for anyone who doesnt want to browse the web
>>> and do email.
>>
>> It seems to be about the same size as my PDA, which sits fine in my
>> pocket. Thing is, I don't need to spend that much on a phone. I got a
>> £50 pay as you go from Tesco and that does fine. No web shit, no
>> camera, no nothing. Just a freaking phone.
> There exists a huge number of people that prefer a *great* phone that *only* makes phone calls,
Bet there aint when the extras are free.
> over a *fairly good* phone that does a smattering of *everything*.
Usual mindless binary stuff. There's plenty of great phones that make
and receive phone calls well and do quite a bit of other stuff as well.
Only a fool carts around a bag full of devices for the stuff that doesnt get done much,
but which is handy at times, even if its just when some fool has run into your car etc.
> There exists a huge number of people that prefer a *great* phone that *only*
> makes phone calls, over a *fairly good* phone that does a smattering of
> *everything*.
I bought a Motorola F3 ("Motofone") a month ago (30 EUR, unlocked) which
does exactly that: phone calls and (if you have to) SMS.
But I have to tell you that it's nice to have a choice what to buy. Give
me an iPhone for that price and I'd buy it, too.
--
"A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no
longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
Rod Speed wrote:
> Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:
>> Tim Streater wrote:
>>> In article <5fi6f2F3cdivaU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brian <brianL@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 9 Jul 2007, marc318@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>>> Verizon is so-o-o-o-o-o-o-o screwed.
>>>> Fantasy.
>>>>
>>>> The vast bulk of phone users want dirt cheap phones, you watch.
>>>>
>>>> The iphone is too big for anyone who doesnt want to browse the web
>>>> and do email.
>>> It seems to be about the same size as my PDA, which sits fine in my
>>> pocket. Thing is, I don't need to spend that much on a phone. I got a
>>> £50 pay as you go from Tesco and that does fine. No web shit, no
>>> camera, no nothing. Just a freaking phone.
>
>> There exists a huge number of people that prefer a *great* phone that *only* makes phone calls,
>
> Bet there aint when the extras are free.
>
>> over a *fairly good* phone that does a smattering of *everything*.
>
> Usual mindless binary stuff. There's plenty of great phones that make
> and receive phone calls well and do quite a bit of other stuff as well.
>
> Only a fool carts around a bag full of devices for the stuff that doesnt get done much,
> but which is handy at times, even if its just when some fool has run into your car etc.
One thing that one has to consider is if you *need* all the extras, and one breaks,
you've lost everything while the device is being repaired. (Similar to purchasing
an audio/video system... If your all-in-one breaks, you're SOL during repairs, while
separate components allow you to continue using the functioning components.)
> > those are just the easy "external" goals, but already 1 million in 7-8
> > days, show the "internal" goals are right on track, and then some...
> >
> > my gut feeling is 22 million by xmas, but much depends on what the new
> > ipods look / priced at.
>
> No, your gut feeling was 35 million, that you conveniently snipped from
> this reply.
no Justin, don't lie. If there are NO new iPods before christmas, 35
million iPhones will be sold, but IF there are new iPods, my "gut"
feeling is 22 million iPhones will be sold by xmas.
> > but 10 million iphones by xmas, no problem. just like what was planned
> > all along.
>
> So, by next week you'll be saying 5 million?
ah, not sure what you mean, 10 million has always been the conservative
estimate of iPhones sold by xmas of 2007, that's apple "internal" number.
please keep up with the conversation, don't muddle it.
> >> > 1. Excessive publicity and the ensuing commotion.
> >>
> >> Bingo!
> >
> > yes, you got one right! and which sheds no bad light on the iphone.
> >
> > it simply creates "interest", which is perfectly appropriate in this
> > case.
>
> And that's hype. You idiot.
but it is not "exaggeration", please learn the english language.
> > but it is not "exaggeration", please learn the english language.
>
> Are you a complete moron?
>
> Where in "1. Excessive publicity and the ensuing commotion."
> does the word exaggeration exist?
>
> Of course, the speed of the iPhone and it's applications was exaggerated
> in the commercials.
but not on Apple's commercials, where was there ANY exaggeration in an
Apple iPhone ad? Bet you can't find one.
In article <Xns9968DDA978500noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry
<noone@home.com> wrote:
> marc318@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote in
> news:2GQNG8OL39272.7039467593@anonymous.poster:
>
> > Apple plans to launch a cheaper version of the iPhone in the fourth
> > quarter that could be based on the ultra-slim iPod Nano music player,
> > according to a JP Morgan report.
> >
> >
>
> On the editorial page of the local daily newsrag, this morning, there was a
> hilarious political cartoon showing this goofy kid throwing the iPhone over
> his shoulder into a huge pile of electronic toys. He's saying to the
> suited salesman, "I'm bored. What's next?"
>
> iPhones will be on Ebay in a couple of months begging for 1/2 price.
Like all the newer iPods and Macs for sale on Ebay for half price - None
Like all the Zunes for sale on Ebay for half price - Many
none wrote:
> Justin <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>>> but it is not "exaggeration", please learn the english language.
>> Are you a complete moron?
>>
>> Where in "1. Excessive publicity and the ensuing commotion."
>> does the word exaggeration exist?
>>
>> Of course, the speed of the iPhone and it's applications was exaggerated
>> in the commercials.
>
> but not on Apple's commercials, where was there ANY exaggeration in an
> Apple iPhone ad? Bet you can't find one.
>
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/ads/ad1/
>
> Every thing is in perfect real time, and real examples. Learn about the
> iPhone, don't make things up to fit your ignorance.
Are you *that* naive? (Again, another rhetorical question.)
Google "slow iphone" and see what you get. Apparently the same device
that wets your pants is having problems with slow Internet access.
Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote
>>> Tim Streater wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Brian <brianL@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> marc318@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote
>>>>>> Verizon is so-o-o-o-o-o-o-o screwed.
>>>>> Fantasy.
>>>>> The vast bulk of phone users want dirt cheap phones, you watch.
>>>>> The iphone is too big for anyone who doesnt want to browse the web and do email.
>>>> It seems to be about the same size as my PDA, which sits fine in my pocket. Thing is, I don't
>>>> need to spend that much on a phone. I got a £50 pay as you go from Tesco and that does fine. No
>>>> web shit, no camera, no nothing. Just a freaking phone.
>>> There exists a huge number of people that prefer a *great* phone that *only* makes phone calls,
>> Bet there aint when the extras are free.
>>> over a *fairly good* phone that does a smattering of *everything*.
>> Usual mindless binary stuff. There's plenty of great phones that make and receive phone calls
>> well and do quite a bit of other stuff as well.
>> Only a fool carts around a bag full of devices for the stuff that doesnt get done much, but which
>> is handy at times, even if its just when some fool has run into your car etc.
> One thing that one has to consider is if you *need* all the extras, and one breaks, you've lost
> everything while the device is being repaired.
Fantasy. They dont get repaired anymore, they just get replaced,
so the single device that does it all just gets replaced, and when
thats a basic phone that happens to have a camera and media
player in it because those extras are effectively free, and its just
the cheapest viable phone you can find, thats a complete yawn.
> (Similar to purchasing an audio/video system...
Nope, nothing like it.
> If your all-in-one breaks, you're SOL during repairs, while separate
> components allow you to continue using the functioning components.)
Different matter entirely with a basic phone that happens to have a
camera and media player included effectively for free, which can be
handy when some fool runs into your car etc or you just see something
on offer and want to take a quick picture of it while you chase up the
alternatives when deciding if its the one to buy etc etc etc.
Rod Speed wrote:
> Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote
>>>> Tim Streater wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Brian <brianL@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> marc318@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote
>
>>>>>>> Verizon is so-o-o-o-o-o-o-o screwed.
>
>>>>>> Fantasy.
>
>>>>>> The vast bulk of phone users want dirt cheap phones, you watch.
>
>>>>>> The iphone is too big for anyone who doesnt want to browse the web and do email.
>
>>>>> It seems to be about the same size as my PDA, which sits fine in my pocket. Thing is, I don't
>>>>> need to spend that much on a phone. I got a £50 pay as you go from Tesco and that does fine. No
>>>>> web shit, no camera, no nothing. Just a freaking phone.
>
>>>> There exists a huge number of people that prefer a *great* phone that *only* makes phone calls,
>
>>> Bet there aint when the extras are free.
>
>>>> over a *fairly good* phone that does a smattering of *everything*.
>
>>> Usual mindless binary stuff. There's plenty of great phones that make and receive phone calls
>>> well and do quite a bit of other stuff as well.
>
>>> Only a fool carts around a bag full of devices for the stuff that doesnt get done much, but which
>>> is handy at times, even if its just when some fool has run into your car etc.
>
>> One thing that one has to consider is if you *need* all the extras, and one breaks, you've lost
>> everything while the device is being repaired.
>
> Fantasy. They dont get repaired anymore, they just get replaced,
> so the single device that does it all just gets replaced, and when
> thats a basic phone that happens to have a camera and media
> player in it because those extras are effectively free, and its just
> the cheapest viable phone you can find, thats a complete yawn.
>
>> (Similar to purchasing an audio/video system...
>
> Nope, nothing like it.
>
>> If your all-in-one breaks, you're SOL during repairs, while separate
>> components allow you to continue using the functioning components.)
>
> Different matter entirely with a basic phone that happens to have a
> camera and media player included effectively for free, which can be
> handy when some fool runs into your car etc or you just see something
> on offer and want to take a quick picture of it while you chase up the
> alternatives when deciding if its the one to buy etc etc etc.
> > Every thing is in perfect real time, and real examples. Learn about the
> > iPhone, don't make things up to fit your ignorance.
>
> Are you *that* naive? (Again, another rhetorical question.)
>
> Google "slow iphone" and see what you get. Apparently the same device
> that wets your pants is having problems with slow Internet access.
and that has nothing to do with the iPhone. the iPhone is exceedingly
quick. Snappy you could say... sure if you are stuck using a Edge
network the date network could be slow, but that's pretty rare in the
age of 802.11.
> >> and I don't THINK anyone has
> >> figured out a way to have some new orgasms with it.
> >
> > sure they have, where have you been?
>
> You need to get out more....(c;
>
> Larry
you were the one that didn't realize your iPhone could give you orgasms,
so I guess it's YOU that needs to get out more.
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