Apple's iPhone casts big shadow on cell industry

Larry wrote:

> For $90/YEAR, now, I can still get calls from any phone/cellphone and
> make calls to any phone USA/Canada, including AK and HI, with no per
> minute nonsense charges....talk as long as you like.

$90/year is still more than most people spend on long distance. Between
unlimited off-peak minutes and services like Onesuite and TalkLoop,
there's little need for Skype unless it can replace your landline as
well. If you have broadband cable then Skype makes more sense than the
IP phone service offered by the cable company.

Your flagrantly dishonest selective quoting reversed...

Larry <noone@home.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> And their current success with the ipod gives them leverage in this new market.

>>>> But the market is very different when you need a telco too and
>>>> when they have chosen to operate exclusively with just one of the
>>>> networks, and that doesnt have adequate coverage for some.

>>> but the need for a "telco" is only temporary.

>> Bet it isnt.

>>> Cell towers are dead ends, VOIP wipes them out and is basically "free".

>> Pity about the lack of WiFi in so much of the area most want to move in.

>> And if cell towers are dead ends, no point in getting an
>> iphone, you might as well just have a decent non phone
>> instead and avoid the 2 year contract cost with AT&T too.

>>>> And then there's the phone plans on offer too. That isnt
>>>> something that was relevant with the ipod, you could just
>>>> dump your CDs into if it you wanted to.

>>> But you don't need a data plan for many of the iphone features,

>> You do for voip tho.

>>> so just learn that once Skype is on the iPhone,
>>> (about 2 months) no need to pay ATT a single penny.

>> Wrong, you're locked into a 2 year contract with ATT.

>>> Then the iPhone becomes a "free" phone
>>> to talk to anyone in the world for "free".

This is the only bit you kept in the quoting, arsehole.

>> Fantasy. Skype aint free.

> Skype is free.

Not to call ANYONE IN THE WORLD it aint.

> INTERCONNECT to POTS and Voicemail isn't.

> Skype software is free...
> Skype-to-Skype comms are free...
> Skypecasts are free....
> Skype video is free....

> God I hope it's free..I was talking to Japan for 3 hours last
> night!..(c; I just hung up with a friend working in Australia this
> month. Just before he hung up, I asked him if he wanted me to call
> him on his cellphone, later...."NO! DON'T YOU DARE!"...hee hee.

All completely irrelevant to his stupid claim that calling anyone in the world is free.

none <a@b.com> wrote:

> yes, ignore Rod Speed,

How odd that its actually you being ignored, child.

> he is somehow tied to the old world mafia cell phone network

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.

> and can't STAND that soon... everyone will be talking
> to everyone anywhere on the planet for FREE!

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.

> the WHOLE Cell Industry is going to DIE starting this Friday,

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.

> this is VERY TYPICAL of what Steve does
> to industries when his products enter.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.

Even the ipod never did that, and the Mac in spades.

> Apple started its life making "free phone calls anywhere in the world",

Bare faced pig ignorant lie.

> And for the next 120 years or so Apple will be
> doing the same thing on a 6-12 billion people scale.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.

> Bits are Bits, there is NO REASON to pay a single penny more
> than what you already pay your ISP to make a phone call.

Every reason when the telcos dont let you
connect to their customers for free any longer.

> That's the reality,

Thats just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.

> but Rod Speed, is terrified of Apple's entry to make all this mainstream.

It isnt even going to do that, hordes will never touch the iphone.

> The iPhone will kill his lifestyle,

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.

> unless he works hard, very, very hard and
> is given a golden ticket to work at Apple.
> http://www.apple.com/jobs/us/index.html

No surprise that you never managed that, no matter how furiously you lick Job's arse.

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:4682e443$0$27185
$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

> $90/year is still more than most people spend on long distance. Between
> unlimited off-peak minutes and services like Onesuite and TalkLoop,
> there's little need for Skype unless it can replace your landline as
> well. If you have broadband cable then Skype makes more sense than the
> IP phone service offered by the cable company.
>
>

Skype replaced my landline years ago. One of life's greatest pleasures
was to call Bell$outh and tell them to get their wires off my house...(c;

"Oh, are you moving?", she asked me. "No, landline phones are obsolete
and a terrible waste of money.", I replied, trying to sound nice without
being snide...(c;

There IS a need for Skype with my cellphone. If I'm going to call a
company, even my cellphone company, I use Skype if available as it has no
per minute charge with Skype Unlimited. It is also INVALUABLE calling
any toll free number you don't want to hijack your cellphone number. All
callers on Skype Out have the same number 000-012-3456, which boggles
most systems looking for "unavailable", etc. One of Skype In's greatest
features is, at least where my two Skype In numbers are located, both in
the same blocks of numbers that are supposed to be all dialup modems used
by ISPs like AOHell. This means these blocks are NEVER, and I mean NEVER
called by the phone spammers and their cold calls. My Skype In number
simply doesn't exist on anyone's cold call database or autodialer....a
real feature while eating dinner or taking a nap. If the Skype phone
rings, it's someone I know, unless I've gotten bored and switched it to
Skype Me for a random call from another of the millions of users...which
is great fun.

So, I call Smiley's Airframe and Storm Door, LLC, push the buttons for
tech support, switch on the Netgear's LOUD speakerphone and
wait....without hearing those cellphone minutes clicking by playing
corporate elevator music. I'm not out 38 airtime minutes waiting for the
bastards in the garage to pick up the phone.

Skype is also "never busy" that I can find. I suppose if I got two
landline calls to Skype In, they might get a busy. But, If I'm calling
Smiley's on Skype Out, sitting there on hold ad nauseum, Skype In can
STILL call one of my other available Skypes on one of the computers if
someone calls! Skype has a limit, I found out, of 10 simultaneous
connections on the same Skype name/account. If the little Netgear is
being used, my computer still "rings" if someone calls me....instead of
going to voicemail....unless I want it to go to voicemail, either
cellphone voice mail (call forwarded) or Skype Voicemail I seldom use.

Skype makes a lot more sense than cable company telephone systems....even
if you don't compare Skype's far cheaper price.

Larry
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The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP

In article <f5rsna$un8$1@shell.dim.com>,
Daniel Packman <pack@shell.dim.com> wrote:
>
>Competition among current phone makers and phone companies
>has been strong for some time. The iphone promises through
>a combination of features, design, and marketing to fundamentally
>change the cell phone landscape. The parallels to Apple's entrance
>into the mobile music market are striking. And their current success
>with the ipod gives them leverage in this new market. They might
>dominate this new market. But in any case, it seems likely that
>the cell phone business will be changed.

Or maybe once the initial marketing-driven hype is done, it'll sink
like a lead Newton without even leaving much in the way of ripples.
Personally I'm hoping that's the case; then maybe Apple can
concentrate on computers.



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There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.

Matthew T. Russotto <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote
> Daniel Packman <pack@shell.dim.com> wrote

>> Competition among current phone makers and phone
>> companies has been strong for some time. The iphone
>> promises through a combination of features, design, and
>> marketing to fundamentally change the cell phone landscape.

Nope, plenty of comparable phones available now.

>> The parallels to Apple's entrance into the mobile music market are striking.

Nope, the iphone is much later to market than the ipod was.

>> And their current success with the ipod gives them leverage in this new market.

Not much, because its stuck on the AT&T EDGE network.

>> They might dominate this new market.

Not a chance, because its stuck on the AT&T EDGE network alone.

>> But in any case, it seems likely that the cell phone business will be changed.

That aint gunna happen either. The most it might
do is produce more pure touch screen designs.

Thats welcome, but it isnt going to change the entire cellphone business.

> Or maybe once the initial marketing-driven hype is done, it'll sink
> like a lead Newton without even leaving much in the way of ripples.

I doubt it, its a pretty decent wifi system with phone and media player.

Main problem is that its currently stuck on AT&T's pretty fucked
EDGE system but it should be hard to add GSM 3G to it now.

> Personally I'm hoping that's the case;
> then maybe Apple can concentrate on computers.

If they'd have done that, they'd have sunk beneath the waves by now.

Larry wrote:

> There IS a need for Skype with my cellphone. If I'm going to call a
> company, even my cellphone company, I use Skype if available as it has no
> per minute charge with Skype Unlimited. It is also INVALUABLE calling
> any toll free number you don't want to hijack your cellphone number. All
> callers on Skype Out have the same number 000-012-3456, which boggles
> most systems looking for "unavailable", etc.

One strange thing I've noticed with Talk Loop is that when I call some
numbers I get a recording telling that the party does not accept calls
from blocked numbers, then I have to state my name, and the system
announces me to the called party who decides whether or not to accept
the call. However the called party swears up and down that they do not
have any such service that blocks calls from any number (I'm calling
into BellSouth in Florida).

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in
news:468455a0$0$27223$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

> Larry wrote:
>
>> There IS a need for Skype with my cellphone. If I'm going to call a
>> company, even my cellphone company, I use Skype if available as it
>> has no per minute charge with Skype Unlimited. It is also INVALUABLE
>> calling any toll free number you don't want to hijack your cellphone
>> number. All callers on Skype Out have the same number 000-012-3456,
>> which boggles most systems looking for "unavailable", etc.
>
> One strange thing I've noticed with Talk Loop is that when I call some
> numbers I get a recording telling that the party does not accept calls
> from blocked numbers, then I have to state my name, and the system
> announces me to the called party who decides whether or not to accept
> the call. However the called party swears up and down that they do not
> have any such service that blocks calls from any number (I'm calling
> into BellSouth in Florida).
>

I get the occasional refusal to my Skype Out call. Sometimes the
equipment seems to check if the caller ID is real, or is listed on some
blacklist database in the bowels of the beast.

I didn't want to talk to them, anyways.....(c;

Larry
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http://www.spp.gov/
The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP