| The industry committee voted for the retail price ceiling to take effect
| after the regulation is approved and apply automatically to all
| customers, unless they opt for a package with higher roaming fees that
| would be, for instance, compensated for by a lower tariff for domestic
| calls.
That looks like a loophole waiting to happen...
Unless there is a cap on domestic calls, the solution is simple, raise
domestic calls to $100/minute, and offer roaming at the previous rates
in exchange for the current domestic rates.
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:13:23 -0600, DevilsPGD
<spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in
<9fn2235vqc9jevi9bu61vll922uudvanqs@4ax.com>:
>In message <1322ks8f32cv05a@corp.supernews.com> Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten>
>wrote:
>
>>http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=3033966
>
>| The industry committee voted for the retail price ceiling to take effect
>| after the regulation is approved and apply automatically to all
>| customers, unless they opt for a package with higher roaming fees that
>| would be, for instance, compensated for by a lower tariff for domestic
>| calls.
>
>That looks like a loophole waiting to happen...
>
>Unless there is a cap on domestic calls, the solution is simple, raise
>domestic calls to $100/minute, and offer roaming at the previous rates
>in exchange for the current domestic rates.
Except that would wipe the carrier out in the market. What would keep
that from happening is brutal competition. Roaming rates are inflated
because the market doesn't pay much attention to them.
--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
In message <4do923hp976cbge7ata14ttc5p25kpfcrv@4ax.com> John Navas
<spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:13:23 -0600, DevilsPGD
><spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in
><9fn2235vqc9jevi9bu61vll922uudvanqs@4ax.com>:
>
>>In message <1322ks8f32cv05a@corp.supernews.com> Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=3033966
>>
>>| The industry committee voted for the retail price ceiling to take effect
>>| after the regulation is approved and apply automatically to all
>>| customers, unless they opt for a package with higher roaming fees that
>>| would be, for instance, compensated for by a lower tariff for domestic
>>| calls.
>>
>>That looks like a loophole waiting to happen...
>>
>>Unless there is a cap on domestic calls, the solution is simple, raise
>>domestic calls to $100/minute, and offer roaming at the previous rates
>>in exchange for the current domestic rates.
>
>Except that would wipe the carrier out in the market. What would keep
>that from happening is brutal competition. Roaming rates are inflated
>because the market doesn't pay much attention to them.
How do you figure? The loophole plan would become the defacto standard
plan, since not many users would opt for the $100/minute option.
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:51:15 -0600, DevilsPGD
<spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in
<rf0a23ddbaciotua52j1489t1sdncjvhnn@4ax.com>:
>In message <4do923hp976cbge7ata14ttc5p25kpfcrv@4ax.com> John Navas
><spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:13:23 -0600, DevilsPGD
>><spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in
>><9fn2235vqc9jevi9bu61vll922uudvanqs@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>In message <1322ks8f32cv05a@corp.supernews.com> Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=3033966
>>>
>>>| The industry committee voted for the retail price ceiling to take effect
>>>| after the regulation is approved and apply automatically to all
>>>| customers, unless they opt for a package with higher roaming fees that
>>>| would be, for instance, compensated for by a lower tariff for domestic
>>>| calls.
>>>
>>>That looks like a loophole waiting to happen...
>>>
>>>Unless there is a cap on domestic calls, the solution is simple, raise
>>>domestic calls to $100/minute, and offer roaming at the previous rates
>>>in exchange for the current domestic rates.
>>
>>Except that would wipe the carrier out in the market. What would keep
>>that from happening is brutal competition. Roaming rates are inflated
>>because the market doesn't pay much attention to them.
>
>How do you figure? The loophole plan would become the defacto standard
>plan, since not many users would opt for the $100/minute option.
That would almost certainly run afoul of the EU and result in big fines.
--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
In message <pd3a231fck402gujc6oh319t05nk159v3e@4ax.com> John Navas
<spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:51:15 -0600, DevilsPGD
><spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in
><rf0a23ddbaciotua52j1489t1sdncjvhnn@4ax.com>:
>
>>In message <4do923hp976cbge7ata14ttc5p25kpfcrv@4ax.com> John Navas
>><spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:13:23 -0600, DevilsPGD
>>><spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in
>>><9fn2235vqc9jevi9bu61vll922uudvanqs@4ax.com>:
>>>
>>>>In message <1322ks8f32cv05a@corp.supernews.com> Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=3033966
>>>>
>>>>| The industry committee voted for the retail price ceiling to take effect
>>>>| after the regulation is approved and apply automatically to all
>>>>| customers, unless they opt for a package with higher roaming fees that
>>>>| would be, for instance, compensated for by a lower tariff for domestic
>>>>| calls.
>>>>
>>>>That looks like a loophole waiting to happen...
>>>>
>>>>Unless there is a cap on domestic calls, the solution is simple, raise
>>>>domestic calls to $100/minute, and offer roaming at the previous rates
>>>>in exchange for the current domestic rates.
>>>
>>>Except that would wipe the carrier out in the market. What would keep
>>>that from happening is brutal competition. Roaming rates are inflated
>>>because the market doesn't pay much attention to them.
>>
>>How do you figure? The loophole plan would become the defacto standard
>>plan, since not many users would opt for the $100/minute option.
>
>That would almost certainly run afoul of the EU and result in big fines.
What part? Charging too much money? Or having almost everyone choose a
second plan?
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:37:31 -0600, DevilsPGD
<spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in
<ku4a23l2c59fdqqjalcinq6osq8t4hmigj@4ax.com>:
>In message <pd3a231fck402gujc6oh319t05nk159v3e@4ax.com> John Navas
><spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:51:15 -0600, DevilsPGD
>><spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in
>><rf0a23ddbaciotua52j1489t1sdncjvhnn@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>In message <4do923hp976cbge7ata14ttc5p25kpfcrv@4ax.com> John Navas
>>><spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:13:23 -0600, DevilsPGD
>>>><spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in
>>>><9fn2235vqc9jevi9bu61vll922uudvanqs@4ax.com> :
>>>>
>>>>>In message <1322ks8f32cv05a@corp.supernews.com> Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=3033966
>>>>>
>>>>>| The industry committee voted for the retail price ceiling to take effect
>>>>>| after the regulation is approved and apply automatically to all
>>>>>| customers, unless they opt for a package with higher roaming fees that
>>>>>| would be, for instance, compensated for by a lower tariff for domestic
>>>>>| calls.
>>>>>
>>>>>That looks like a loophole waiting to happen...
>>>>>
>>>>>Unless there is a cap on domestic calls, the solution is simple, raise
>>>>>domestic calls to $100/minute, and offer roaming at the previous rates
>>>>>in exchange for the current domestic rates.
>>>>
>>>>Except that would wipe the carrier out in the market. What would keep
>>>>that from happening is brutal competition. Roaming rates are inflated
>>>>because the market doesn't pay much attention to them.
>>>
>>>How do you figure? The loophole plan would become the defacto standard
>>>plan, since not many users would opt for the $100/minute option.
>>
>>That would almost certainly run afoul of the EU and result in big fines.
>
>What part? Charging too much money? Or having almost everyone choose a
>second plan?
Trying to evade the order. Unlike the USA (under Republicans at least),
the EU has smart and effective enforcement.
--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:19:16 GMT, DTC <no_spam@move_along_folks.foob>
wrote in <EJbVh.22740$PL.13262@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink .net>:
>John Navas wrote:
>> Unlike the USA (under Republicans at least),
>> the EU has smart and effective enforcement.
>
>[snicker mode engaged]
>
>Which is good as we in the U.S. have to deal with some pretty stupid laws.
Makes no sense not to enforce the good ones just because we also have
some stupid ones.
--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
In message <2bdc2315vsq06pikaqvuj3pui5vo2a7o2h@4ax.com> John Navas
<spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:19:16 GMT, DTC <no_spam@move_along_folks.foob>
>wrote in <EJbVh.22740$PL.13262@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink .net>:
>
>>John Navas wrote:
>>> Unlike the USA (under Republicans at least),
>>> the EU has smart and effective enforcement.
>>
>>[snicker mode engaged]
>>
>>Which is good as we in the U.S. have to deal with some pretty stupid laws.
>
>Makes no sense not to enforce the good ones just because we also have
>some stupid ones.
Who decides which ones are good ones and which ones are stupid ones?
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