> Pegleg wrote on [Sun, 17 Jun 2007 09:39:40 -0700]:
>> On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 15:04:18 -0000, geoffm@lava.net (Geoff Miller)
>> wrote:
>>
>>>And why _would_ the iPod suck, exactly? What is it that you don't
>>>like?
>>
>> One reason I would never buy one is the fact it is tied to music from
>> apple. I expect to be able to put my own music on a mp3 player from
>> wherever I want.
>
> Most people with an iPod do not buy music via iTunes, that has been
> stated again and again. You can put any mp3 on there you want.
I've been thinking of trying Magnatune for buying tracks, to support
unknown artists (some of them are pretty good, from those I've listened
too). Anyone else had experience with them?
Pegleg <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote
> geoffm@lava.net (Geoff Miller) wrote
>> And why _would_ the iPod suck, exactly? What is it that you don't like?
>
> One reason I would never buy one is the fact it is tied to music from apple.
No it isnt. It will import your CDs etc fine.
> I expect to be able to put my own music on a mp3 player from wherever I want.
geoffm@lava.net (Geoff Miller) wrote in news:137ajbi3c0ojta5
@corp.supernews.com:
> And why _would_ the iPod suck, exactly? What is it that you don't
> like?
>
>
Hell that's easy. I cannot plug it into my computer, use Windows
Explorer to copy 200 MP3s over to it, unattended, then simply push play
to start playing them.
No, I can't do that. I gotta use some licensing bullshit program and do
'em slow as dirt.
Is that enough reason?
NEVER buy an MP3 player that ISN'T treated as a SIMPLE external hard
drive by Windoze and will play MP3s copied to it by ANY file handler,
even DOS, in the raw.
Too bad my best player (I have 5 out of the 12 I've bought over the
years) isn't available to the LONG waiting list that existed when it was
dumped by Digital Mind Corp for greener pastures. How stupid. It's
called the Xclef 500 and uses STANDARD parts...STANDARD Li-Ion battery
pack, STANDARD 2.5" hard drive available anywhere, STANDARD simple power
brick available at any Radio Shack. It runs 22 hours on a charge. It
needs it. Initially it had a 100GB drive. I upgraded it to 120GB. It's
STILL the largest storage MP3 player, ever. Being a HARD DRIVE to the
computer, it loads as fast as any external hard drive. I also,
sometimes, use it as a laptop hard drive not an MP3 player. It also has
a great FM radio, direct-to-MP3 low res or high res (128K) audio recorder
with virtually no limit to how long it will record. Plug it into your
audio board with a STANDARD cable and it will record your whole concert
at 128Kbps MP3 in stereo with beautiful quality. It makes no discernable
background noise, even plugging its headphone jack into my 1450W Prosound
DJ board.
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <3vGdnaDx98qlwOjbnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:
>
>>> What I don't understand about the whole iPod/Walkman/Discman
>>> phenomenon is why so many people feel the need to listen to
>>> music so much of the time. Personally, I find music distrac-
>>> ting when I'm trying to concentrate on something else. And
>>> even when I'm not concentrating on anything in particular, I'm
>>> usually quite content just to think.
>> I'm with you, but what *really* kills me is people requesting
>> different screen savers for their cell phones... Does it get
>> *any* more mindless!!! <g>
>
> OK, fat chicks wearing Britney-Spears-style hip huggers and belly shirts
> requesting different screen savers for their cell phones.
>
> And buying ringtones like they buy drinks at a bar.
In article <Xns99519B0D37A83noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> lex@afutureweb.com (Lex) wrote in news:HNKWEFW739249.4217592593
> @anonymous.poster:
>
> > Tips for landing an iPhone
> >
>
> People have just GOT to be NUTS! There's no other way to explain their
> stupidity being lead around like dogs on a leash....by the ad hypers.
>
> I just hope the iphone doesn't suck as bad as the ipod does, and always
> has.....
>
> Larry
Scott en Aztlán wrote:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> said in misc.consumers:
>
>>> The fact that so many fat chicks are wearing Britney-Spears-style
>>> hip-huggers and belly shirts even though their flab is hanging out all
>>> over the place is proof positive that the American consumer is more
>>> influenced by trendiness than suckiness (or lack thereof).
>> BAM!
>>
>> I'm going to put that on a shirt and sell it on CafePress. That is MOST
>> excellent!
>
> While I'm flattered that you thought my statement quoteworthy, it's
> not exactly the sort of short, catchy phrase one normally finds
> printed on a T-shirt.
I think he was going to remedy that. However, sizes may start at 3X.
"Geoff Miller" <geoffm@lava.net> wrote in message
news:137ah3k7df60aaf@corp.supernews.com...
>
> What I don't understand about the whole iPod/Walkman/Discman
> phenomenon is why so many people feel the need to listen to
> music so much of the time. Personally, I find music distrac-
> ting when I'm trying to concentrate on something else.
Because these are people who do not think. They concentrate on nothing.
"Pegleg" <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in message
news:aroa7318rorgqhq8uotegfat5550gs02jg@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 15:04:18 -0000, geoffm@lava.net (Geoff Miller)
> wrote:
>
>>And why _would_ the iPod suck, exactly? What is it that you don't
>>like?
>
> One reason I would never buy one is the fact it is tied to music from
> apple. I expect to be able to put my own music on a mp3 player from
> wherever I want.
I have 4000 songs on my Ipod and have never bought a single tune from Apple
(I-tunes).
> >And why _would_ the iPod suck, exactly? What is it that you don't
> >like?
>
> One reason I would never buy one is the fact it is tied to music from
> apple. I expect to be able to put my own music on a mp3 player from
> wherever I want.
when did that happen? do you have a inside story that says that only
Apple purchased music can be played on iPods? I bet you $1 million that
you can't find it. iPods are the most open of any MP3 player.
Pegleg wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 15:04:18 -0000, geoffm@lava.net (Geoff Miller)
> wrote:
>
>> And why _would_ the iPod suck, exactly? What is it that you don't
>> like?
>
> One reason I would never buy one is the fact it is tied to music from
> apple. I expect to be able to put my own music on a mp3 player from
> wherever I want.
Well -- assuming that you don't care to violate any copyrights -- what
music exactly are you talking about?
You either buy it from iTunes, or another service.
Or you rent it from Rhapsody or Yahoo Music, et al., which requires DRM.
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <137anb9lm00pud9@corp.supernews.com>,
> geoffm@lava.net (Geoff Miller) wrote:
>
>> It's unclear to me why having the
>> ability to talk on the telephone implies a *need* to.
>>
>> And that's a beef of mine against cellphones: they cause people
>> to talk at times and places when they'd once have been quiet.
>
> I know a guy who CANNOT *not* answer his phone.
>
> He carries two phones, one personal and one from his employer. I have
> seen him have three people on the phone at once--one on his personal
> phone, one on his work phone, and one on his work phone that he put on
> hold to take the second call on his work phone.
>
> I'll be talking to him, his phone will ring, and he'll never ever say,
> "Screw it" and ignore it.
>
> Me, I can ignore a ringing phone like nobody's business.
>
No telephone has the constitutional right to be answered simply because
it rang.
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 14:25:56 -0000, geoffm@lava.net (Geoff Miller)
wrote:
>
>
>Larry <noone@home.com> writes:
>
>> I just hope the iphone doesn't suck as bad as the ipod does,
>> and always has.....
>
>
>Yeah, it's got to suck, considering how many of them have been
>sold.
>
>What I don't understand about the whole iPod/Walkman/Discman
>phenomenon is why so many people feel the need to listen to
>music so much of the time. Personally, I find music distrac-
>ting when I'm trying to concentrate on something else. And
>even when I'm not concentrating on anything in particular, I'm
>usually quite content just to think.
>
>
>
>Geoff
100 Million iPods can't be wrong.
How about while one is riding on Mass Transit or car pooling?
And then there are podcasts, which can be edumacational.
How about while Monitoring something??
(Security camera, server functionality, refinery activity) where the
tedium of it could put you to sleep?
Bill Gates <im@IEdiedtoday.com> wrote
> Pegleg <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote
>>> And why _would_ the iPod suck, exactly? What is it that you don't like?
>> One reason I would never buy one is the fact it is tied to music from
>> apple. I expect to be able to put my own music on a mp3 player from
>> wherever I want.
> when did that happen?
Never, it was always a pig ignorant lie.
> do you have a inside story that says that only
> Apple purchased music can be played on iPods?
Nope.
> I bet you $1 million that you can't find it.
> iPods are the most open of any MP3 player.
Nope, they arent quite as easy to load as most mp3 players.
In article <137ah3k7df60aaf@corp.supernews.com>, geoffm@lava.net (Geoff Miller) wrote:
> Larry <noone@home.com> writes:
>
> > I just hope the iphone doesn't suck as bad as the ipod does,
> > and always has.....
>
>
> Yeah, it's got to suck, considering how many of them have been
> sold.
>
> What I don't understand about the whole iPod/Walkman/Discman
> phenomenon is why so many people feel the need to listen to
> music so much of the time. Personally, I find music distrac-
> ting when I'm trying to concentrate on something else. And
> even when I'm not concentrating on anything in particular, I'm
> usually quite content just to think.
I usually just use my iPod at the gym. On the subway, I see a lot of
people listening to an mp3 player, but I prefer to be aware of my
surroundings when I am on a train (so I can here the announcements), but
listening to music is certainly more conducive to thinking then loud
train noise.
In article <elmop-45B944.15131217062007@nntp1.usenetserver.com>,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article <3vGdnaDx98qlwOjbnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:
>
> > > What I don't understand about the whole iPod/Walkman/Discman
> > > phenomenon is why so many people feel the need to listen to
> > > music so much of the time. Personally, I find music distrac-
> > > ting when I'm trying to concentrate on something else. And
> > > even when I'm not concentrating on anything in particular, I'm
> > > usually quite content just to think.
> >
> > I'm with you, but what *really* kills me is people requesting
> > different screen savers for their cell phones... Does it get
> > *any* more mindless!!! <g>
>
> OK, fat chicks wearing Britney-Spears-style hip huggers and belly shirts
> requesting different screen savers for their cell phones.
>
> And buying ringtones like they buy drinks at a bar.
I don't know what you mean by the second statement, but the first ought
to be illegal. Fat woman who wear those hip huggers and belly shirts
really have no clue.
In article <elmop-188765.15222317062007@nntp1.usenetserver.com>,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article <137anb9lm00pud9@corp.supernews.com>,
> geoffm@lava.net (Geoff Miller) wrote:
>
> > It's unclear to me why having the
> > ability to talk on the telephone implies a *need* to.
> >
> > And that's a beef of mine against cellphones: they cause people
> > to talk at times and places when they'd once have been quiet.
>
> I know a guy who CANNOT *not* answer his phone.
My sister's like that. I used to joke with her that she was born with a
phone attached to her ear! When we were kids in the 70's, I saw her
dozing off with the phone in her ear a few times.
My cell phone was lost this weekend. Its a Palm 700p smartphone and I
honestly feel naked with out it, even though I don't use it a lot for
talking. I use it for far more than just cell phone conversations. Its
my employer's and its insured, so the first thing on my agenda today
when I get to my office is to replace it.
In article <137cgq8kjmb6n9c@corp.supernews.com>,
Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:
> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> > In article <137anb9lm00pud9@corp.supernews.com>,
> > geoffm@lava.net (Geoff Miller) wrote:
> >
> >> It's unclear to me why having the
> >> ability to talk on the telephone implies a *need* to.
> >>
> >> And that's a beef of mine against cellphones: they cause people
> >> to talk at times and places when they'd once have been quiet.
> >
> > I know a guy who CANNOT *not* answer his phone.
> >
> > He carries two phones, one personal and one from his employer. I have
> > seen him have three people on the phone at once--one on his personal
> > phone, one on his work phone, and one on his work phone that he put on
> > hold to take the second call on his work phone.
> >
> > I'll be talking to him, his phone will ring, and he'll never ever say,
> > "Screw it" and ignore it.
> >
> > Me, I can ignore a ringing phone like nobody's business.
> >
>
>
> No telephone has the constitutional right to be answered simply because
> it rang.
I agree, and my cell phone spends most of its time on vibrate mode.
In article <pan.2007.06.17.17.39.11.965026@tiscali.co.uk>,
Kier <vallon@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I've noted that my workmates often use their phones for entertainment,
> games, or videoing, or surfing, or listening to music, as much or more
> than they do actually talking to people. I might well do the same, except
> my mobile is too bog-standard to offer anything like that.
>
> Mobiles do seem to have become cheap multimedia players, offering simple
> ways to while away the time during lunchbreaks or waiting at railway
> stations.
The phone I have now is a smartphone, so it can do practically anything
a computer can do, including play mp3 files. I have no interest in
playing mp3 files on it because I don't want to waste battery power in
case I need to use the phone in an emergency. At long and boring
meetings, I have been known to play solitaire on it though!
In article <Maddi.95284$Sa4.7628@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote:
>
> Chuckle. The one that makes me shake my head is people yakking on cells in
> the frigging grocery store. Not 'honey, what was that you told me not to
> forget?' calls, just yakking. Can they not go 20 ninutes with only their own
> thoughts, paying attention to the task at hand?
I don't talk on my cell phone in stores, but I will sometimes do that if
I am out in the park taking a walk. Its a good use of my time. I have
tons of contacts, both personal and business-related, so if I am
thinking about someone or something I need to do, I will just use my
exercise time to call the person while I am exercising. I might call a
business associate to leave a voicemail or my mom or sister just to say
hello. Its all about making efficient use of one's time.
In article <Xns99529A0B92D50noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> geoffm@lava.net (Geoff Miller) wrote in news:137ajbi3c0ojta5
> @corp.supernews.com:
>
> > And why _would_ the iPod suck, exactly? What is it that you don't
> > like?
> >
> >
>
> Hell that's easy. I cannot plug it into my computer, use Windows
> Explorer to copy 200 MP3s over to it, unattended, then simply push play
> to start playing them.
>
> No, I can't do that. I gotta use some licensing bullshit program and do
> 'em slow as dirt.
Yeh! Using iTunes is really tough. You can store mp3 files on an iPod
and play them easily via iTunes. I have thousands of mp3 tracks on my
iPod.
In alt.cellular.verizon chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Geoff Miller wrote:
> > Windows works just fine for most people most of the time. That's why it
> > sells as well as it does, and it's why it doesn't suck.
> And McDonalds makes the best burgers.
> Idiot.
No, the correct extension of his point would be that MacDonalds works fine
for most people. That's why they sell so much.
--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel
In alt.cellular.verizon John Bailo <jabailo@texeme.com> wrote:
> Well -- assuming that you don't care to violate any copyrights -- what
> music exactly are you talking about?
> You either buy it from iTunes, or another service.
> Or you rent it from Rhapsody or Yahoo Music, et al., which requires DRM.
Or you copy it from your CD onto your iPod, under the fair use doctrine.
Duh.
--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel
Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in news:srhi-9B79A5.06595018062007
@newsgroups.comcast.net:
> My sister's like that. I used to joke with her that she was born with a
> phone attached to her ear! When we were kids in the 70's, I saw her
> dozing off with the phone in her ear a few times.
>
>
That could explain why she's gettin' it and your not....(c;
"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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> Geoff Miller wrote:
>
>> Windows works just fine for most people most of the time. That's why it
>> sells as well as it does, and it's why it doesn't suck.
>
> And McDonalds makes the best burgers.
>
> Idiot.
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:38:07 -0400, "MuahMan" <muahman@aol.com> wrote:
>
>"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>news:I5-dnVWbLdkbXOjbnZ2dnUVZ_q3inZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Geoff Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Windows works just fine for most people most of the time. That's why it
>>> sells as well as it does, and it's why it doesn't suck.
Windows is so simple to use that Barnes and Noble has 50 some odd
books on how to use it.
> Windows works just fine for most people most of the time. That's
> why it sells as well as it does, and it's why it doesn't suck.
How does it "sell" as well as it does? An OEM agreement with the
manufacturer to preinstall an OS that raises the price of the machine
more than it's equvalents would is not selling -- it's offering the
consumer no choice without adding cost to already added cost. Take a
look at Windows Vista upgrade & full install sales, when it's not
preinstalled -- dismal.
> Not that there aren't better O/S's out there. But do Chevies suck
> because they aren't Lexuses? Of course not. They and their
Your comparison might have been more "real world" if you had compared
say Chevy & Toyota. But, then again, even with the added cost, is
Lexus really that much better just because it costs more? :-) I've
never really had a need for a car that parks itself. ;-)
> equivalents are perfectly satisfactory for most people most of the
> time, and are cost-effective in the bargain.
I'll agree that Windows works perfectly well for most. But, if you
look at the pricing for Dell computers, the choice of linux & Windows
preinstalled has the Windows boxes more expensive than the alternative.
So, when the customer is given a choice, what makes the more expensive
Windows installation more cost effective?
> You guys want a great example of how stupid people are?
>
> One word - Amsoil
>
> Call 'em up a the bottling plant and ask 'em the address of the
> REFINERY...
Since when does synthetic oil go through a refinery? Nobody can tell
you what refinery Mobil One comes from, either.
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:38:07 -0400, "MuahMan" <muahman@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:I5-dnVWbLdkbXOjbnZ2dnUVZ_q3inZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> Geoff Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>> Windows works just fine for most people most of the time.
>>>> That's why it sells as well as it does, and it's why it doesn't
>>>> suck.
>
>
> Windows is so simple to use that Barnes and Noble has 50 some odd
> books on how to use it.
>
> Windows for Idiots is very popular.
Does that mean that Windows is hard to use, or just that there are a
lot of idiots trying to use it?
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