"Ron" <ron.clifford@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
news:ua6a25h1jp5ob1grv52vqoj3ut7umqmgjf@4ax.com...
>>> The iPhone has sold 20 million, not too shabby from where I sit. Thats
>>> put billions of dollars into Apples and AT&T's coffers. Sorry that
>>> doesn't impress you.
>>
>>
>>I would never argue the iPhone isn't a succes.
>>
>>I would, however, argue it isn't really a "smartphone." It's an
>>"iPodPhone" (or "multimedia feature phone" if you really need to
>>categorize it.)
>
>
> Hardly; its a computer, and you could spend a day listing all the
> things it does that a Zune doesn't, or the Classic ipod doesn't.
I guess it depends on how you define "computer." It fails two major
respects, IMO. First, it's dependant on other computers. I never had to
connect my laptop to my desktop to load files on it. My laptop, (and my
smartphone) operate completely autonomously from my main computer.
Secondly, and more importantly to me, the iPhone lacks a user-accessible
file system, just like a classic iPod or Zune. This prevents you from
saving files, like email attachments, locally for reference later. Sure,
there are some kludgey app store apps that let you transfer files from your
PC via WiFi, and view them on the phone, but you can't then email them or
manipulate them with other apps (the "sandbox" limitation.)
Actually owning and using one gave me a new respect for the myriad of ways
it could disappoint me! I thought I'd eventually gain a grudging respect
for it, and overlook the flaws, like my wife does (it's her favorite phone
she's ever owned,) but simple things I take for granted on my smartphones
and PDAs are either impossible or ridiculously obtuse on the iPhone, like
emailing a document- stuff 6-year old Palm Treos can handle natively and
intuitively, or beaming my wife a song via BT. I conceed it has a great UI
and it a very impressive piece of hardware, but for me, the beauty is
skin-deep.
Again, the iPhone is a nifty little device, but the crazy limitations Apple
has imposed on it has made developers go to some strange lengths to try to
workaround them just to emulate functionality standard on other devices.
You're predisposed to loving it, so I'm sure you'll be thrilled with it, and
won't notice the limitations, particularly when trading up from feature
phones like your W300i- you're going from a good Walkman phone to "the best
iPod ever." What's not to love? (And 3.0 arrives just in time! Any
earlier and you'd have to wonder why your 3 year-old Sony dumbphone had a
video recorder and MMS and your shiny new iPhone didn't!)
I've long joked that the iPhone isn't a "smartphone", but a "savantphone"-
like Dustin Hoffman's character in "Rainman," it does a few things VERY,
VERY, well, but comes up short in other areas. It's a decent webtablet,
"the best iPod ever," and now even a nifty gaming platform. It is, not,
however, a smartphone, IMO.
> Perhaps you forget the Motorola iTunes phone, a major flop;
> that Apple learned well from.
So what did Apple learn? You can only cripple a device so far before it's
rejected? Or that you can only cripple a device and get away with it if you
silkscreen a half-eaten fruit on the back first?
Any failure of the ROKR is on Apple, not Motorola. Apple hopelessly
crippled the ROKR by placing an artificial 100-song limit on it (regardless
of how much free memory it had left) because they feared a combo
"iPod/phone" might cannibalize lucrative and profitable standalone iPod
sales. No one was going to use a 100-song capacity device as their "main"
iPod in that day or age, so it was positioned as a "secondary" music device.
Well, if you had to carry your iPod with you as well anyway, why the heck
did you need one in your phone?
How well do you think the iPhone would be selling if Apple limited it to 100
songs to avoid hurting iPod Classic (or iPod Touch!) sales? [And how many
fanbois would try to convince us the 100-song limitation, (like
"webapps"-remember those?) was actually a "benefit"!] ;-)
> And most all the features you nit pick over that the iPhone or
> iPhone 3G doesnt have the new version, to be announced next Monday;
> will have.
Sure- many of the "nitpicks" will be addressed, but the major intentional OS
limitations will remain- "no MMS" is a nitpick. App sandboxing is a major
limitation. "No cut and paste" is a nitpick. Lack of background execution
of third-party apps is a major limitation.
And I'm bashing the phone not because I hate it, but because I actually do
like it- it just irks me that Apple didn't make it the excellent smartphone
it could've been, if they had only placed a little more faith in their
consumers' abilities, rather than treat them like hopeless nitwits who
couldn't handle such "confusing" features like a Finder.
Ron <ron.clifford@peoplepc.com> wrote in
news:ua6a25h1jp5ob1grv52vqoj3ut7umqmgjf@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:07:56 -0600, Todd Allcock
> <elecconnec@aNOoSPAMl.com> wrote:
>
>>At 01 Jun 2009 18:25:19 -0500 Ron wrote:
>>> >>> What's the NPV of the future revenue stream of a flash in the
pan?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The belief that new iToy rabbits will perpetually be pulled from
>>hats.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Jobs or not, good luck with that.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Pet rock is a Flash in the pan.
>>> >>
>>> >> The iPhone is the future of Smart Phones.
>>> >
>>> >The market, not you, not fanbois, will determine that.
>>> >
>>> >So far, the iToy is not even close.
>>>
>>>
>>> The iPhone has sold 20 million, not too shabby from where I sit.
Thats
>>> put billions of dollars into Apples and AT&T's coffers. Sorry that
>>> doesn't impress you.
>>
>>
>>I would never argue the iPhone isn't a succes.
>>
>>I would, however, argue it isn't really a "smartphone." It's an
>>"iPodPhone" (or "multimedia feature phone" if you really need to
>>categorize it.)
>>
>
> Hardly; its a computer, and you could spend a day listing all the
> things it does that a Zune doesn't, or the Classic ipod doesn't.
>
> Perhaps you forget the Motorola iTunes phone, a major flop;
> that Apple learned well from.
>
> And most all the features you nit pick over that the iPhone or
> iPhone 3G doesnt have the new version, to be announced next Monday;
> will have.
In article <Xns9C1EACC1CFD5Ablutofabercom@85.214.105.209>,
John Blutarsky <bluto@faber.com> wrote:
> Ron <ron.clifford@peoplepc.com> wrote in
> news:ua6a25h1jp5ob1grv52vqoj3ut7umqmgjf@4ax.com:
>
> > On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:07:56 -0600, Todd Allcock
> > <elecconnec@aNOoSPAMl.com> wrote:
> >
> >>At 01 Jun 2009 18:25:19 -0500 Ron wrote:
> >>> >>> What's the NPV of the future revenue stream of a flash in the
> pan?
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> The belief that new iToy rabbits will perpetually be pulled from
> >>hats.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Jobs or not, good luck with that.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Pet rock is a Flash in the pan.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> The iPhone is the future of Smart Phones.
> >>> >
> >>> >The market, not you, not fanbois, will determine that.
> >>> >
> >>> >So far, the iToy is not even close.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The iPhone has sold 20 million, not too shabby from where I sit.
> Thats
> >>> put billions of dollars into Apples and AT&T's coffers. Sorry that
> >>> doesn't impress you.
> >>
> >>
> >>I would never argue the iPhone isn't a succes.
> >>
> >>I would, however, argue it isn't really a "smartphone." It's an
> >>"iPodPhone" (or "multimedia feature phone" if you really need to
> >>categorize it.)
> >>
> >
> > Hardly; its a computer, and you could spend a day listing all the
> > things it does that a Zune doesn't, or the Classic ipod doesn't.
> >
> > Perhaps you forget the Motorola iTunes phone, a major flop;
> > that Apple learned well from.
> >
> > And most all the features you nit pick over that the iPhone or
> > iPhone 3G doesnt have the new version, to be announced next Monday;
> > will have.
>
> It will have a user-replaceale battery?
Coming up 2 years on my 4GB iPhone. Why is this an issue?
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <Xns9C1EACC1CFD5Ablutofabercom@85.214.105.209>,
> John Blutarsky <bluto@faber.com> wrote:
>
>>> And most all the features you nit pick over that the iPhone or
>>> iPhone 3G doesnt have the new version, to be announced next Monday;
>>> will have.
>> It will have a user-replaceale battery?
>
> Here's the deal: Someone discovered, and Jobs is acting upon, the fact
> that realistically a device where the battery is not a simple and
> inexpensive swap like regular batteries, a device which requires
> abnormal effort and/or expense to replace the battery, is de facto a
> subscription device.
>
> Ponder that: when you make the battery expensive and hard to replace,
> when you make it not a mainstream thing, you have created subscription
> HARDWARE. Not software, HARDWARE.
That's a "feature"? Or a plague?
>
> How many items do you know of which cost more for a replacement battery
> than the entire thing is worth?
>
Again, that's a "feature"? Or a plague?
> Expensive and not-intended-to-be-replaced battery is losing its ability
> to keep a charge? Just get a whole new thing. It's only a few bucks
> more.
>
Again, that's a "feature"? Or a plague?
> The iPhone, for one.
>
Aha. A "feature" for AAPL finances and a plague for the broad market.
In article <elmop-468E46.22031102062009@mara100-84.onlink.net>,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article <Xns9C1EACC1CFD5Ablutofabercom@85.214.105.209>,
> John Blutarsky <bluto@faber.com> wrote:
>
> > > And most all the features you nit pick over that the iPhone or
> > > iPhone 3G doesnt have the new version, to be announced next Monday;
> > > will have.
> >
> > It will have a user-replaceale battery?
>
> Here's the deal: Someone discovered, and Jobs is acting upon, the fact
> that realistically a device where the battery is not a simple and
> inexpensive swap like regular batteries, a device which requires
> abnormal effort and/or expense to replace the battery, is de facto a
> subscription device.
>
> Ponder that: when you make the battery expensive and hard to replace,
> when you make it not a mainstream thing, you have created subscription
> HARDWARE. Not software, HARDWARE.
>
> How many items do you know of which cost more for a replacement battery
> than the entire thing is worth?
>
> Expensive and not-intended-to-be-replaced battery is losing its ability
> to keep a charge? Just get a whole new thing. It's only a few bucks
> more.
>
> The iPhone, for one.
>
> Oh--and you never actually LOSE anything that's on your iPhone (or
> iPod), because it's simply a portable mirror of stuff that's on your
> desktop. That's one MORE barrier down.
Don't get this ridiculous argument. 2 years and my battery still holds a
good charge. Use the damn thing everything day.
I think they successfully created a product that didn't really require a
replaceable battery for 90% of their users.
How many of you have kept any of your primary smart phones for more than
2 years anyway? (not the one sitting in a drawer that still "works")
> In article <elmop-468E46.22031102062009@mara100-84.onlink.net>,
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <Xns9C1EACC1CFD5Ablutofabercom@85.214.105.209>,
>> John Blutarsky <bluto@faber.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > And most all the features you nit pick over that the iPhone or
>> > > iPhone 3G doesnt have the new version, to be announced next
Monday;
>> > > will have.
>> >
>> > It will have a user-replaceale battery?
>>
>> Here's the deal: Someone discovered, and Jobs is acting upon, the
fact
>> that realistically a device where the battery is not a simple and
>> inexpensive swap like regular batteries, a device which requires
>> abnormal effort and/or expense to replace the battery, is de facto a
>> subscription device.
>>
>> Ponder that: when you make the battery expensive and hard to
replace,
>> when you make it not a mainstream thing, you have created
subscription
>> HARDWARE. Not software, HARDWARE.
>>
>> How many items do you know of which cost more for a replacement
battery
>> than the entire thing is worth?
>>
>> Expensive and not-intended-to-be-replaced battery is losing its
ability
>> to keep a charge? Just get a whole new thing. It's only a few bucks
>> more.
>>
>> The iPhone, for one.
>>
>> Oh--and you never actually LOSE anything that's on your iPhone (or
>> iPod), because it's simply a portable mirror of stuff that's on your
>> desktop. That's one MORE barrier down.
>
> Don't get this ridiculous argument. 2 years and my battery still holds
a
> good charge. Use the damn thing everything day.
>
> I think they successfully created a product that didn't really require
a
> replaceable battery for 90% of their users.
>
> How many of you have kept any of your primary smart phones for more
than
> 2 years anyway? (not the one sitting in a drawer that still "works")
<raises hand> Just retired my first Blackberry after a little more than
two years.
>
> I have no intention of upgrading until next year.
>
> Maybe my battery will die then.
>
In article <Xns9C1FD0F84BCE3blutofabercom@85.214.105.209>,
John Blutarsky <bluto@faber.com> wrote:
> >
> > How many of you have kept any of your primary smart phones for more
> than
> > 2 years anyway? (not the one sitting in a drawer that still "works")
>
>
> <raises hand> Just retired my first Blackberry after a little more than
> two years.
>
Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in
news:labolide-8D7D64.19460603062009@news.giganews.com:
> In article <Xns9C1FD0F84BCE3blutofabercom@85.214.105.209>,
> John Blutarsky <bluto@faber.com> wrote:
>
>
>> >
>> > How many of you have kept any of your primary smart phones for more
>> than
>> > 2 years anyway? (not the one sitting in a drawer that still
>> > "works")
>>
>>
>> <raises hand> Just retired my first Blackberry after a little more
>> than two years.
>>
>
>
> I've got one month more :-)
>
> Did you ever have to replace your battery?
>
Kurt wrote:
> In article <Xns9C1FD0F84BCE3blutofabercom@85.214.105.209>,
> John Blutarsky <bluto@faber.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> How many of you have kept any of your primary smart phones for more
>> than
>>> 2 years anyway? (not the one sitting in a drawer that still "works")
>>
>> <raises hand> Just retired my first Blackberry after a little more than
>> two years.
>>
>
>
> I've got one month more :-)
>
> Did you ever have to replace your battery?
>
What do you do when it runs out of power on a long trip? Or do fanbois
confine themselves and their iToys to 6 foot proximity to a wall socket
or lighter plug?
>
>
> Kurt wrote:
>> In article <Xns9C1FD0F84BCE3blutofabercom@85.214.105.209>,
>> John Blutarsky <bluto@faber.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> How many of you have kept any of your primary smart phones for more
>>> than
>>>> 2 years anyway? (not the one sitting in a drawer that still "works")
>>>
>>> <raises hand> Just retired my first Blackberry after a little more than
>>> two years.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I've got one month more :-)
>>
>> Did you ever have to replace your battery?
>>
>
>
>
> What do you do when it runs out of power on a long trip? Or do fanbois
> confine themselves and their iToys to 6 foot proximity to a wall socket
> or lighter plug?
George Kerby wrote:
>
>
> On 6/4/09 5:59 AM, in article
> GL6dnTBW2_-wNLrXnZ2dnUVZ_g9i4p2d@speakeasy.net, "News" <News@Group.name>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Kurt wrote:
>>> In article <Xns9C1FD0F84BCE3blutofabercom@85.214.105.209>,
>>> John Blutarsky <bluto@faber.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> How many of you have kept any of your primary smart phones for more
>>>> than
>>>>> 2 years anyway? (not the one sitting in a drawer that still "works")
>>>> <raises hand> Just retired my first Blackberry after a little more than
>>>> two years.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've got one month more :-)
>>>
>>> Did you ever have to replace your battery?
>>>
>>
>>
>> What do you do when it runs out of power on a long trip? Or do fanbois
>> confine themselves and their iToys to 6 foot proximity to a wall socket
>> or lighter plug?
>
> Among other options:
> <http://tinyurl.com/pkycwz>
Sorta ruins the shiny iToy image and format, dunnit?
In article <GL6dnTBW2_-wNLrXnZ2dnUVZ_g9i4p2d@speakeasy.net>,
News <News@Group.name> wrote:
> Kurt wrote:
> > In article <Xns9C1FD0F84BCE3blutofabercom@85.214.105.209>,
> > John Blutarsky <bluto@faber.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>> How many of you have kept any of your primary smart phones for more
> >> than
> >>> 2 years anyway? (not the one sitting in a drawer that still "works")
> >>
> >> <raises hand> Just retired my first Blackberry after a little more than
> >> two years.
> >>
> >
> >
> > I've got one month more :-)
> >
> > Did you ever have to replace your battery?
> >
>
>
>
> What do you do when it runs out of power on a long trip? Or do fanbois
> confine themselves and their iToys to 6 foot proximity to a wall socket
> or lighter plug?
LOL Maybe because I have a life and can easily charge it at convenient
times?
In article <Xns9C1FDD3EA66D8blutofabercom@85.214.105.209>,
John Blutarsky <bluto@faber.com> wrote:
> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in
> news:labolide-8D7D64.19460603062009@news.giganews.com:
>
> > In article <Xns9C1FD0F84BCE3blutofabercom@85.214.105.209>,
> > John Blutarsky <bluto@faber.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> >
> >> > How many of you have kept any of your primary smart phones for more
> >> than
> >> > 2 years anyway? (not the one sitting in a drawer that still
> >> > "works")
> >>
> >>
> >> <raises hand> Just retired my first Blackberry after a little more
> >> than two years.
> >>
> >
> >
> > I've got one month more :-)
> >
> > Did you ever have to replace your battery?
> >
>
> About eighteen months in.
Kurt wrote:
> In article <GL6dnTBW2_-wNLrXnZ2dnUVZ_g9i4p2d@speakeasy.net>,
> News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>
>> Kurt wrote:
>>> In article <Xns9C1FD0F84BCE3blutofabercom@85.214.105.209>,
>>> John Blutarsky <bluto@faber.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> How many of you have kept any of your primary smart phones for more
>>>> than
>>>>> 2 years anyway? (not the one sitting in a drawer that still "works")
>>>> <raises hand> Just retired my first Blackberry after a little more than
>>>> two years.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've got one month more :-)
>>>
>>> Did you ever have to replace your battery?
>>>
>>
>>
>> What do you do when it runs out of power on a long trip? Or do fanbois
>> confine themselves and their iToys to 6 foot proximity to a wall socket
>> or lighter plug?
>
> LOL Maybe because I have a life and can easily charge it at convenient
> times?
>
Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in news:labolide-94F1FA.07222504062009
@news.giganews.com:
> In article <Xns9C1FDD3EA66D8blutofabercom@85.214.105.209>,
> John Blutarsky <bluto@faber.com> wrote:
>
>> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in
>> news:labolide-8D7D64.19460603062009@news.giganews.com:
>>
>> > In article <Xns9C1FD0F84BCE3blutofabercom@85.214.105.209>,
>> > John Blutarsky <bluto@faber.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> > How many of you have kept any of your primary smart phones for more
>> >> than
>> >> > 2 years anyway? (not the one sitting in a drawer that still
>> >> > "works")
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> <raises hand> Just retired my first Blackberry after a little more
>> >> than two years.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > I've got one month more :-)
>> >
>> > Did you ever have to replace your battery?
>> >
>>
>> About eighteen months in.
>
> Bummer for you.
Not really. Got another one (at far less than the cost of a new phone) and
slapped it right in.
John Blutarsky wrote:
> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in news:labolide-94F1FA.07222504062009
> @news.giganews.com:
>
>> In article <Xns9C1FDD3EA66D8blutofabercom@85.214.105.209>,
>> John Blutarsky <bluto@faber.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:labolide-8D7D64.19460603062009@news.giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <Xns9C1FD0F84BCE3blutofabercom@85.214.105.209>,
>>>> John Blutarsky <bluto@faber.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> How many of you have kept any of your primary smart phones for more
>>>>> than
>>>>>> 2 years anyway? (not the one sitting in a drawer that still
>>>>>> "works")
>>>>>
>>>>> <raises hand> Just retired my first Blackberry after a little more
>>>>> than two years.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've got one month more :-)
>>>>
>>>> Did you ever have to replace your battery?
>>>>
>>> About eighteen months in.
>> Bummer for you.
>
> Not really. Got another one (at far less than the cost of a new phone) and
> slapped it right in.
I always carry several.
So I can roam further than six feet from a wall or car lighter socket...
> What do you do when it runs out of power on a long trip? Or do fanbois
> confine themselves and their iToys to 6 foot proximity to a wall socket
> or lighter plug?
No, you buy an auxiliary charger/battery pack like I did for my wife.
She carries it when traveling. It sucks to need one, but that's life
with an iPhone.
Again, you have to look at the the "totality" issue: she's happier with
the iPhone, warts and all, than with prior phones.
I still love her anyway... ;-) Another example of "totality," I guess...
> Don't get this ridiculous argument. 2 years and my battery still holds
> a good charge. Use the damn thing everything day.
>
> I think they successfully created a product that didn't really require
> a replaceable battery for 90% of their users.
Probably. The other 10% are in for a nasty surprise though... ;-)
> How many of you have kept any of your primary smart phones for more
> than 2 years anyway? (not the one sitting in a drawer that still
"works")
I have kids, so a "hand-me-down" scenario is not unlikely. "Yesterday's"
iPhone is a cooler device than a new low-end feature phone.
> I have no intention of upgrading until next year.
>
> Maybe my battery will die then.
Probably not, but it will likely be less efficient than when new.
Smartphones have shorter battery lives than dumbphones for very practical
reasons- they're barely adequate when they're new. My old Nokia
"Smartphone" (an ancient Symbian-based 3650) got about three days on a
charge when new, two if I left BT on 24/7. By the time its battery only
held half its original capacity, I couldn't care less, since it stll
easily made it through an entire day, (and I always charged it nightly,
anyway.) I could still use that "bad" battery without a problem. My
current WinMo phone only lasts about 16 hours, my wife's iPhone maybe 24
with casual use. 50% capacity makes them unusable- I'd have to replace
their batteries long before that point. (And only one will require a
soldering iron and risk of case damage...) ;-)
Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 04 Jun 2009 06:59:43 -0400 News wrote:
>
>> What do you do when it runs out of power on a long trip? Or do fanbois
>> confine themselves and their iToys to 6 foot proximity to a wall socket
>> or lighter plug?
>
> No, you buy an auxiliary charger/battery pack like I did for my wife.
> She carries it when traveling. It sucks to need one, but that's life
> with an iPhone.
>
> Again, you have to look at the the "totality" issue: she's happier with
> the iPhone, warts and all, than with prior phones.
>
> I still love her anyway... ;-) Another example of "totality," I guess...
>
>
In article <KyUVl.17017$Mf7.10678@newsfe16.iad>,
Todd Allcock <elecconnec@aNOoSPAMl.com> wrote:
> At 04 Jun 2009 06:59:43 -0400 News wrote:
>
> > What do you do when it runs out of power on a long trip? Or do fanbois
> > confine themselves and their iToys to 6 foot proximity to a wall socket
> > or lighter plug?
>
> No, you buy an auxiliary charger/battery pack like I did for my wife.
> She carries it when traveling. It sucks to need one, but that's life
> with an iPhone.
>
> Again, you have to look at the the "totality" issue: she's happier with
> the iPhone, warts and all, than with prior phones.
>
> I still love her anyway... ;-) Another example of "totality," I guess...
I still don't see the difference between lugging around (and then
installing) extra batteries when you can just plug in one of the many
small sleek ones that are sold for the iPhone.
In article <Xns9C206B0F580F9blutofabercom@85.214.105.209>,
John Blutarsky <bluto@faber.com> wrote:
> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in news:labolide-94F1FA.07222504062009
> @news.giganews.com:
>
> > In article <Xns9C1FDD3EA66D8blutofabercom@85.214.105.209>,
> > John Blutarsky <bluto@faber.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:labolide-8D7D64.19460603062009@news.giganews.com:
> >>
> >> > In article <Xns9C1FD0F84BCE3blutofabercom@85.214.105.209>,
> >> > John Blutarsky <bluto@faber.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > How many of you have kept any of your primary smart phones for more
> >> >> than
> >> >> > 2 years anyway? (not the one sitting in a drawer that still
> >> >> > "works")
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> <raises hand> Just retired my first Blackberry after a little more
> >> >> than two years.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I've got one month more :-)
> >> >
> >> > Did you ever have to replace your battery?
> >> >
> >>
> >> About eighteen months in.
> >
> > Bummer for you.
>
> Not really. Got another one (at far less than the cost of a new phone) and
> slapped it right in.
In article <PL-dnUc7O_Pec7rXnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
> Kurt wrote:
> > In article <GL6dnTBW2_-wNLrXnZ2dnUVZ_g9i4p2d@speakeasy.net>,
> > News <News@Group.name> wrote:
> >
> >> Kurt wrote:
> >>> In article <Xns9C1FD0F84BCE3blutofabercom@85.214.105.209>,
> >>> John Blutarsky <bluto@faber.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> How many of you have kept any of your primary smart phones for more
> >>>> than
> >>>>> 2 years anyway? (not the one sitting in a drawer that still "works")
> >>>> <raises hand> Just retired my first Blackberry after a little more than
> >>>> two years.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I've got one month more :-)
> >>>
> >>> Did you ever have to replace your battery?
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> What do you do when it runs out of power on a long trip? Or do fanbois
> >> confine themselves and their iToys to 6 foot proximity to a wall socket
> >> or lighter plug?
> >
> > LOL Maybe because I have a life and can easily charge it at convenient
> > times?
> >
>
> Yes, a life tied to a wall socket.
>
> We can all hope, can't we?
Can't you guys who need to take your phones under the covers at night.
Mine takes about a hour to charge fully. Usually do while answering
email in the morning. Charge about every two days for normal use.
In article <elmop-02BD1A.11234704062009@mara100-84.onlink.net>,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article <labolide-9CB3F2.07215204062009@news.giganews.com>,
> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > What do you do when it runs out of power on a long trip? Or do fanbois
> > > confine themselves and their iToys to 6 foot proximity to a wall socket
> > > or lighter plug?
> >
> > LOL Maybe because I have a life and can easily charge it at convenient
> > times?
>
> I'm sorry--what does "having a life" have to do with "regularly within 6
> foot proximity to a wall socket"?
>
> Being tied to ANYTHING like that takes away from your ability to live
> life to the fullest.
This is the lamest argument I've ever heard.
Sorry.
>>I think it's more like the old joke about the two campers sleeping
>>in the woods that are awoken by the sound of a bear rummaging
>>through their camp. The first camper grabs his boots and silently
>>starts lacing them up. The second camper sees this and whispers
>>"are you crazy? You can't outrun a BEAR!" The first camper
>>quietly gets up, grabs the second camper's boots, tosses them out
>>reach, and replies- "I don't have to outrun the bear, I only have
>>to outrun YOU!"
>
>
> First camper poured honey over the second camper in the version I
> heard.
The one I heard was about a lawyer and his friend.
>
>
>
> On 5/30/09 8:39 PM, in article EdlUl.17140$hc1.13961
@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com,
> "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Eating lunch in Hollywood Ca today. Table next to me get's asked to
check
>> who is playing at the Whiskey tonight.
>> Guy whips out his POS iPhone only to find it's running flash on
there
>> webpage. Classic. : )
>>
>>
>>
> "there webpage" Priceless!
> In article <PL-dnUc7O_Pec7rXnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>
>> Kurt wrote:
>>> In article <GL6dnTBW2_-wNLrXnZ2dnUVZ_g9i4p2d@speakeasy.net>,
>>> News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kurt wrote:
>>>>> In article <Xns9C1FD0F84BCE3blutofabercom@85.214.105.209>,
>>>>> John Blutarsky <bluto@faber.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> How many of you have kept any of your primary smart phones for more
>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> 2 years anyway? (not the one sitting in a drawer that still "works")
>>>>>> <raises hand> Just retired my first Blackberry after a little more than
>>>>>> two years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got one month more :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you ever have to replace your battery?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do you do when it runs out of power on a long trip? Or do fanbois
>>>> confine themselves and their iToys to 6 foot proximity to a wall socket
>>>> or lighter plug?
>>>
>>> LOL Maybe because I have a life and can easily charge it at convenient
>>> times?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, a life tied to a wall socket.
>>
>> We can all hope, can't we?
>
> Can't you guys who need to take your phones under the covers at night.
>
> Mine takes about a hour to charge fully. Usually do while answering
> email in the morning. Charge about every two days for normal use.
Some folks are anal-obsessed.
> In article <elmop-02BD1A.11234704062009@mara100-84.onlink.net>,
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <labolide-9CB3F2.07215204062009@news.giganews.com>,
>> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> What do you do when it runs out of power on a long trip? Or do fanbois
>>>> confine themselves and their iToys to 6 foot proximity to a wall socket
>>>> or lighter plug?
>>>
>>> LOL Maybe because I have a life and can easily charge it at convenient
>>> times?
>>
>> I'm sorry--what does "having a life" have to do with "regularly within 6
>> foot proximity to a wall socket"?
>>
>> Being tied to ANYTHING like that takes away from your ability to live
>> life to the fullest.
>
> This is the lamest argument I've ever heard.
> Sorry.
Consider the source...
> In article <labolide-0C942F.06585705062009@news.giganews.com>,
> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I still don't see the difference between lugging around (and then
>> installing) extra batteries when you can just plug in one of the many
>> small sleek ones that are sold for the iPhone.
>
>
> The SLEEKNESS of the iPhone goes away, and it turns into something Larry
> carries around at the Waffle House.
On 6/5/09 9:23 AM, in article NT9Wl.18420$%54.298@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com,
"John Doe" <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
> George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/30/09 8:39 PM, in article EdlUl.17140$hc1.13961
> @flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com,
>> "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Eating lunch in Hollywood Ca today. Table next to me get's asked to
> check
>>> who is playing at the Whiskey tonight.
>>> Guy whips out his POS iPhone only to find it's running flash on
> there
>>> webpage. Classic. : )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> "there webpage" Priceless!
>
> Should have been "that there web page".
"Now that's funny. I don't care WHO you are - that there's FUNNY!"
> > > What do you do when it runs out of power on a long trip? Or do
fanbois
> > > confine themselves and their iToys to 6 foot proximity to a wall
socket
> > > or lighter plug?
> >
> > No, you buy an auxiliary charger/battery pack like I did for my wife.
> > She carries it when traveling. It sucks to need one, but that's life
> > with an iPhone.
> >
> > Again, you have to look at the the "totality" issue: she's happier
with
> > the iPhone, warts and all, than with prior phones.
> >
> > I still love her anyway... ;-) Another example of "totality," I
guess...
>
> I still don't see the difference between lugging around (and then
> installing) extra batteries when you can just plug in one of the many
> small sleek ones that are sold for the iPhone.
"Small and sleek"? None of the auxiliary iPhone battery-powered chargers
are as small and sleek as a replacement battery. They can't be and have
a decent capacity since no charger is 100% efficient. On trips I carry
my spare Tilt battery in my wallet. How many "small and sleek" iPhone
chargers would fit in your wallet?
While not "small and sleek," though, they get the job done, at least.
The one we use is larger and bulkier thn most, but isn't iPhone specific-
it charges any USB-powered device.
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