iPhone Killer for the CDMA crowd - well at least Sprint

This CDMA iPhone wanabee probably eats batteries but you can buy
extras and carry them in your pocket.

http://micro-sd-memory.blogspot.com/...-feedback.html
Sunday, June 22, 2008
Samsung Instinct with Haptic Feedback: Yes it is iPhone Killer

The Samsung Instinct is the most impressive iPhone 3G alternative
we’ve seen so far. It offers haptic feedback (small vibrations in
response to touches), 3G, GPS, 2-megapixel camera with video
recording, full e-mail and web browsing capabilities, and much more!
The Instinct runs on Sprint’s EV-DO Rev A high-speed network.

This remarkable smartphone features full QWERTY touchpad in landscape
format for faster typing… but, forget about typing. With Speech to
Action feature, all you have to do is say “search” and ask for “coffee
shops” or “pizza” or whatever you are looking for.

With the the help of built-in GPS capabilities, the Instinct will
quickly locate results near you. It will even give you direction via
Windows Live Maps. You can use speech commands for pretty much
anything you do - from texting, email sending, news searching, weather
info requests, traffic inquiries, and more. With Mobile Sync you can
always sync your phone to the Sprint website and back up all your
important data. When your battery runs low, simply change it. The
Samsung Instinct comes with 2 standard batteries in the box, so you
just switch them out while you charge the other.

With Stereo Bluetooth Profiles, you can stream your audio to a stereo
Bluetooth headset complete with Call Announce. A very important
feature is ability to multi-task. For example, you can listen to music
while you browse the web, and you can pause your tunes when a call
comes through.

A 2GB microSD card is included, plus the Samsung Instinct can hold up
to 8GB of external memory. You can use your memory to shoot, store,
and share pictures and videos with 2.0 MP camera and camcorder. All
images and videos can be viewed in thumbail mode or can be scrolled
though larger previews with filmstrip mode.

Customizable favorites allow you to easily drag-and-drop applications
in the order you want them. This feature comes handy when you want
your most-used features to be placed front and center.

Sprint Power Vision Services include Sprint TV Enabled, Sprint Mobile
Email, Spring Navigation, Sprint PCS Picture Mail, Sprint Music Store,
games, screen savers, and more. Most importantly, you can watch TV on-
the-go, quickly download your favorite music, and check your E-mail,
whether it’s corporate, POP3 or online service.

On Friday, Samsung Electronics began selling its touch-screen Instinct
handset for $70 cheaper than Apple’s iPhone 3G. The newest smartphone
is offered by Sprint Nextel for $130 after rebate. Sprint has said it
will spend more than $100 million to market the touch-screen Instinct
in hopes the cellphone can recover from steep customer losses.

What’s in the box? The Samsung Instinct includes: M800 Handset with
battery cover, 2GB microSD card (inserted into phone), 2 standard
batteries, battery cell charger, AC charger, chargeable USB cable,
3.5mm stereo headphones with microphone, microSD memory card adapter
for use with PCs, stylus packed in mini leather case, and printed
materials with CD.

On Jun 22, 10:30*am, 4iFone <McPherson.truck.2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This CDMA iPhone wanabee probably eats batteries but you can buy
> extras and carry them in your pocket.
>
> http://micro-sd-memory.blogspot.com/...tinct-with-hap...
> Sunday, June 22, 2008
> Samsung Instinct with Haptic Feedback: Yes it is iPhone Killer
>
> The Samsung Instinct is the most impressive iPhone 3G alternative
> we’ve seen so far. It offers haptic feedback (small vibrations in
> response to touches), 3G, GPS, 2-megapixel camera with video
> recording, full e-mail and web browsing capabilities, and much more!
> The Instinct runs on Sprint’s EV-DO Rev A high-speed network.
>
> This remarkable smartphone features full QWERTY touchpad in landscape
> format for faster typing… but, forget about typing. With Speech to
> Action feature, all you have to do is say “search” and ask for “coffee
> shops” or “pizza” or whatever you are looking for.
>
> With the the help of built-in GPS capabilities, the Instinct will
> quickly locate results near you. It will even give you direction via
> Windows Live Maps. You can use speech commands for pretty much
> anything you do - from texting, email sending, news searching, weather
> info requests, traffic inquiries, and more. With Mobile Sync you can
> always sync your phone to the Sprint website and back up all your
> important data. When your battery runs low, simply change it. The
> Samsung Instinct comes with 2 standard batteries in the box, so you
> just switch them out while you charge the other.
>
> With Stereo Bluetooth Profiles, you can stream your audio to a stereo
> Bluetooth headset complete with Call Announce. A very important
> feature is ability to multi-task. For example, you can listen to music
> while you browse the web, and you can pause your tunes when a call
> comes through.
>
> A 2GB microSD card is included, plus the Samsung Instinct can hold up
> to 8GB of external memory. You can use your memory to shoot, store,
> and share pictures and videos with 2.0 MP camera and camcorder. All
> images and videos can be viewed in thumbail mode or can be scrolled
> though larger previews with filmstrip mode.
>
> Customizable favorites allow you to easily drag-and-drop applications
> in the order you want them. This feature comes handy when you want
> your most-used features to be placed front and center.
>
> Sprint Power Vision Services include Sprint TV Enabled, Sprint Mobile
> Email, Spring Navigation, Sprint PCS Picture Mail, Sprint Music Store,
> games, screen savers, and more. Most importantly, you can watch TV on-
> the-go, quickly download your favorite music, and check your E-mail,
> whether it’s corporate, POP3 or online service.
>
> On Friday, Samsung Electronics began selling its touch-screen Instinct
> handset for $70 cheaper than Apple’s iPhone 3G. The newest smartphone
> is offered by Sprint Nextel for $130 after rebate. Sprint has said it
> will spend more than $100 million to market the touch-screen Instinct
> in hopes the cellphone can recover from steep customer losses.
>
> What’s in the box? The Samsung Instinct includes: M800 Handset with
> battery cover, 2GB microSD card (inserted into phone), 2 standard
> batteries, battery cell charger, AC charger, chargeable USB cable,
> 3.5mm stereo headphones with microphone, microSD memory card adapter
> for use with PCs, stylus packed in mini leather case, and printed
> materials with CD.

How does that compare to the $300 16 GB iPhone? Wait, you can not buy
a 16GB micro sd card so this will never be a 16GB Instinct.

So compare that to a $200 8 GB iPhone. You pay $130 to Sprint and then
add an 8 GB sd card for $50 to $80 which takes this gem to $180 to
$210.

Then you have to worry about the sd card getting ejected and lost so
you have to buy another one again.

Samsung should have just included the memory to start with like Apple
does. Now does Sprint email work with Yahoo, HotMail or GMail like the
plain Jane iPhone does? Do you get true HTML email or plain text?

Do they give you a bag to carry all that extra hadware in that is
needed to keep the instinct running during the day?

Does it even sync with iTunes or does it sync OTA with Sprint or that
Micorsoft WinMo cludge for Sync to a PC?

What is the end user experience - all promise ending in frustration?

Can you feel the pain of using the 2008 Sprint Instinct Apple
wannabee?

No WiFi or WiMax, what was Sprint thinking? Do they really have a
signal everywhere?

Clearly cellphone-quality photos!

No internal storage: 2-GB microSD card included (upgradeable to 8 GB
only not 16 GB or greater).

Can't edit attachments.

Web browser needs a serious reworking, not even close to the beautiful
easy to use iPhone Browser

Includes a stylus ... but provides no slot to stow it, don't you just
love it?

And the best of all - you have to use SPRINT which may be the USA's
worse cellular provider according to public opinion.

4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:6a43bdf5-57c9-4d55-82c0-ca8c11c88c56@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com:

> Can you feel the pain of using the 2008 Sprint Instinct Apple
> wannabee?
>
> No WiFi or WiMax, what was Sprint thinking? Do they really have a
> signal everywhere?

More places than AT&T.

>
> Clearly cellphone-quality photos!

Equivalent to the iPhone.

>
> No internal storage: 2-GB microSD card included (upgradeable to 8 GB
> only not 16 GB or greater).

Internal storage is for children.

>
> Can't edit attachments.

Anybody needing to edit attachments on a phone is a wnnabe.

>
> Web browser needs a serious reworking, not even close to the beautiful
> easy to use iPhone Browser

It's a phone, not a computer.

>
> Includes a stylus ... but provides no slot to stow it, don't you just
> love it?
>
> And the best of all - you have to use SPRINT which may be the USA's
> worse cellular provider according to public opinion.
>

In terms of customer service, yes. In terms of network, AT&T falls far
short in terms of 3g coverage.

4phun wrote:
> And the best of all - you have to use SPRINT which may be the USA's
> worse cellular provider according to public opinion.

That's for customer service, not network coverage.

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:34:47 -0500, DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx>
wrote:

>4phun wrote:
>> And the best of all - you have to use SPRINT which may be the USA's
>> worse cellular provider according to public opinion.
>
>That's for customer service, not network coverage.


Sprint with most dropped calls, and worst building penetration you
mean due to it being stuck with inferior PCS 1900 MHz band?

Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:3fbt541e1vu1528bllf1geu9lkgb1qs6gm@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:34:47 -0500, DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx>
> wrote:
>
>>4phun wrote:
>>> And the best of all - you have to use SPRINT which may be the USA's
>>> worse cellular provider according to public opinion.
>>
>>That's for customer service, not network coverage.
>
>
> Sprint with most dropped calls,

Cite?

The Bob wrote:
> Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> amazed us all with the following in
> news:3fbt541e1vu1528bllf1geu9lkgb1qs6gm@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:34:47 -0500, DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 4phun wrote:
>>>> And the best of all - you have to use SPRINT which may be the USA's
>>>> worse cellular provider according to public opinion.
>>> That's for customer service, not network coverage.
>>
>> Sprint with most dropped calls,
>

http://www.cellular-news.com/story/22188.php

Which Carrier Is Winning the War On Fewest Dropped Calls?

With all major wireless carriers claiming to offer the fewest dropped
calls, wireless management services provider mindWireless used its
database of call data to research the facts of the claims. Using a
sample of more than 80 million calls placed and received between January
1, 2006 and June 30, 2006, mindWireless found Sprint, followed by
Cingular's legacy AT&T Wireless to have the fewest number of dropped
calls, nearly 50 percent behind Verizon, the carrier claiming the best,
most reliable network.

At 22 Jun 2008 16:02:03 -0500 The Bob wrote:
> Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> amazed us all with the following in

> > Sprint with most dropped calls,
>
> Cite?


He doesn't have a citation... Ron is the current incarnation of our old
friend "Phillipe" who left Sprint years ago, but can't seem to ge over bad-
mouthing them whenever possible.

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:55:09 -0500, DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx>
wrote:

>The Bob wrote:
>> Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> amazed us all with the following in
>> news:3fbt541e1vu1528bllf1geu9lkgb1qs6gm@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:34:47 -0500, DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 4phun wrote:
>>>>> And the best of all - you have to use SPRINT which may be the USA's
>>>>> worse cellular provider according to public opinion.
>>>> That's for customer service, not network coverage.
>>>
>>> Sprint with most dropped calls,
>>
>
>http://www.cellular-news.com/story/22188.php
>
>Which Carrier Is Winning the War On Fewest Dropped Calls?
>
>With all major wireless carriers claiming to offer the fewest dropped
>calls, wireless management services provider mindWireless used its
>database of call data to research the facts of the claims. Using a
>sample of more than 80 million calls placed and received between January
>1, 2006 and June 30, 2006, mindWireless found Sprint, followed by
>Cingular's legacy AT&T Wireless to have the fewest number of dropped
>calls, nearly 50 percent behind Verizon, the carrier claiming the best,
>most reliable network.


Going by Houston, Tx, Los Angeles, New York City,
and Miami; where I have experience, I can categorically state I have
experienced 90% fewer dropped calls with AT&T than Sprint.

But then thats why folks call Sprint Customer Service, and then give
it the worst in the industry rating.

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:55:09 -0500, DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx>
wrote:

>The Bob wrote:
>> Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> amazed us all with the following in
>> news:3fbt541e1vu1528bllf1geu9lkgb1qs6gm@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:34:47 -0500, DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 4phun wrote:
>>>>> And the best of all - you have to use SPRINT which may be the USA's
>>>>> worse cellular provider according to public opinion.
>>>> That's for customer service, not network coverage.
>>>
>>> Sprint with most dropped calls,

BOGUS STATISTICS !!!!

>http://www.cellular-news.com/story/22188.php
>
>Which Carrier Is Winning the War On Fewest Dropped Calls?
>
>With all major wireless carriers claiming to offer the fewest dropped
>calls, wireless management services provider mindWireless used its
>database of call data to research the facts of the claims. Using a
>sample of more than 80 million calls placed and received between January
>1, 2006 and June 30, 2006, mindWireless found Sprint, followed by
>Cingular's legacy AT&T Wireless to have the fewest number of dropped
>calls, nearly 50 percent behind Verizon, the carrier claiming the best,
>most reliable network.


Except they werent measuring dropped calls. They were measuring what
they assumed to be an approximation of dropped calls. A duplicate call
placed within 2 minutes.

I often place calls to relatives that also have AT&T and manys the
time within 2 minutes I think of something else I forgot to say and
call them back. But those calls would have been counted as dropped
calls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02Tbh_umdSg

Actually I have found that those unbiased reviewers who have both the
LG VU and the INSTINCT as well as the old first generation Apple
iPhone love ....(drum roll here please)...the OLD 2G IPHONE by far
over the other two newer phones. Yes they acknowledge some nice
features but they say the real world user experience still remains
far better with the iPhone. Can you imagine how for a few bucks more
anyone can grab a new 3G iPhone in a couple of weeks instead of living
with Korean iPhone wannabes for two years?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sbQ5oGCZtY

You can view both biased reviews (mainly from Sprint shills) and
unbiased reviews using the Firefox 3 plug in PicLens and use the
search term "Instinct vs. iPhone". I love PicLens for in full screen
mode you can easily see in review after review the iPhone screen is
sharper and more attractive than the others when shown side by side.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2_NUZBDoKU


You don't even get the real web on Sprint's offering. Also you will be
rolling on the floor laughing at the Microsoft means for zooming the
screen etc. Both of the newer phones serve as a painful reminder of my
old Dell Axiom may that beast rest in peace.

4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:2f5aaab7-b15a-4350-8cb8-
b47394d14b05@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

> How does that compare to the $300 16 GB iPhone? Wait, you can not buy
> a 16GB micro sd card so this will never be a 16GB Instinct.

Sorry, fanboi, memory is UNLIMITED because YOU get to hotswap microSDs any
ol' time ya want! Maybe you'll be able to, someday, but not before Apple
wants YOU to have control of the FruitFone.

>
> So compare that to a $200 8 GB iPhone. You pay $130 to Sprint and then
> add an 8 GB sd card for $50 to $80 which takes this gem to $180 to
> $210.

Oops...it's not an SD card, it's a microSD card. Either way you just GOTTA
quite buying shit from the FruitFone store! Here's the real prices:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...ils.asp?EdpNo=
3799796&Sku=C10-1130
2GB with FREE SD adapter to go in a WINDOWS box - $10

http://www.buy.com/prod/dane-elec-4g...-digital-high-
capacity-card/q/loc/101/207498748.html
4GB Class 4 - $30/free shipping.

http://www.buy.com/prod/dane-elec-2g...re-digital-sd-
card/q/loc/101/204304890.html
Buy.com also has a 2GB microSD with SD adapter for the PC so you can swap
pictures/movies/music/stuff back and forth to the Instinct for $10 each
with free shipping.

16GB/2=8 cards x $10 = $80, not $180 to $210 where you shop.

>
> Then you have to worry about the sd card getting ejected and lost so
> you have to buy another one again.

Er, ah, I don't know about the Fruit company, but every SD or microSD
device I own you have to FIGHT to get the tiny cards out of the devices
clutches, locked inside. My stuff even has a door to keep it clean that
seals. I suppose I could lose them, but I have a little carrier card I
made for the back of the N800 Linux tablet for SD cards anyone could make.

I cut two pieces of plastic as wide as the battery compartment door that
goes the full width across the back of the tablet, but not up the curve to
the antenna radome at the top. These pieces simply match the length and
width of the door.

They are glued to a piece of blue (to match my blue LEDs, of course) foam
from a craft shop (Walmart) that's as thick as the SD cards are thick,
which isn't much. A notch in the foam is cut for each card so the card
fits into the notch between the hard plastic sheets so only a tiny sliver
of the SD card, the end opposite the contacts, protrudes when the card is
hard into the slot. A combination of the foam squeezing on the sides of
the card and a little vacuum that forms when the card comes out of the
slot, holds the cards FIRMLY inside my little card carrier. There are 4
slots, side by side, to put cards/microSD-to-SD adapters so I can plug my
MotoROKR Z6m's microSD cards into the tablet's external SD slot, on the
battery compartment door, glued together and glued to the door. There's
just enough sticking out to get your fingernail to hook the card's edge,
keeping them out of the dirt and from being lost.

Storage, using 16GB cards, would be 16GB internal, 16GB external (online at
a time) plus four more 16GB in the storage slots if I like for a total
storage of 96GB of maps, movies, music, photos, satellite tiles,
aeronautical charts, little used but quickly installable apps, and some
really stupid nonsense....all in one device...

96GB is a LOT of storage...(c;

But, in reality I have two 16GB cards in the little Linux box, 2 8GB cards
I had before the 16GB cards and a 4GB SDHC card. The last slot is the
microSD to SD adapter, which also houses an extra 2GB microSD card to swap
with my ROKR Z6m when I get tired of the music on its other 2GB microSD
card.

It's a regular memory store!

>
> Samsung should have just included the memory to start with like Apple
> does. Now does Sprint email work with Yahoo, HotMail or GMail like the
> plain Jane iPhone does? Do you get true HTML email or plain text?

No, because it takes the CHOICE of what you want online, and the ability to
CHANGE what's in the memory slot in a couple of seconds the FruitFone
cannot offer...just like most other sellphones.

How long does it take to erase 9GB of movies you're tired of and REPLACE
them with 9GB of NEW movies off alt.binaries.movies.divx....not even
including the conversion time to one of the codecs the FruitFone can play?
Download 9GB off iTunes through your computer and let us know how long that
takes.

>
> Do they give you a bag to carry all that extra hadware in that is
> needed to keep the instinct running during the day?

microSD cards are much smaller and thinner than my SDHC beasts. You could
make a simple credit card carrier like the one on my battery compartment
but as small as a credit card that would carry a dozen around its
edges...right in your wallet.

>
> Does it even sync with iTunes or does it sync OTA with Sprint or that
> Micorsoft WinMo cludge for Sync to a PC?

If you have a removeable memory card, you don't need to "sync". You can
have your OWN STUFF!.....well, except on Verizon where Verizon blocks
everything in firmware, like makin' your own ringtones out of MP3 files.

>
> What is the end user experience - all promise ending in frustration?
>

We'll see....won't we....(c;

Be honest...you'd kill for freeware apps and a real memory card, would't
you?

Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:3bnt549decp6h2u5g5hfijqvh6av55jmq6@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:55:09 -0500, DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx>
> wrote:
>
>>The Bob wrote:
>>> Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> amazed us all with the following in
>>> news:3fbt541e1vu1528bllf1geu9lkgb1qs6gm@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:34:47 -0500, DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 4phun wrote:
>>>>>> And the best of all - you have to use SPRINT which may be the USA's
>>>>>> worse cellular provider according to public opinion.
>>>>> That's for customer service, not network coverage.
>>>>
>>>> Sprint with most dropped calls,
>
> BOGUS STATISTICS !!!!
>
>>http://www.cellular-news.com/story/22188.php
>>
>>Which Carrier Is Winning the War On Fewest Dropped Calls?
>>
>>With all major wireless carriers claiming to offer the fewest dropped
>>calls, wireless management services provider mindWireless used its
>>database of call data to research the facts of the claims. Using a
>>sample of more than 80 million calls placed and received between January
>>1, 2006 and June 30, 2006, mindWireless found Sprint, followed by
>>Cingular's legacy AT&T Wireless to have the fewest number of dropped
>>calls, nearly 50 percent behind Verizon, the carrier claiming the best,
>>most reliable network.
>
>
> Except they werent measuring dropped calls. They were measuring what
> they assumed to be an approximation of dropped calls. A duplicate call
> placed within 2 minutes.

And how would you have them measure?

At 22 Jun 2008 18:19:25 -0500 Ron wrote:

> BOGUS STATISTICS !!!!
>
> >http://www.cellular-news.com/story/22188.php
> >
> >Which Carrier Is Winning the War On Fewest Dropped Calls?
> >
> >With all major wireless carriers claiming to offer the fewest dropped
> >calls, wireless management services provider mindWireless used its
> >database of call data to research the facts of the claims. Using a
> >sample of more than 80 million calls placed and received between January
> >1, 2006 and June 30, 2006, mindWireless found Sprint, followed by
> >Cingular's legacy AT&T Wireless to have the fewest number of dropped
> >calls, nearly 50 percent behind Verizon, the carrier claiming the best,
> >most reliable network.
>
>
> Except they werent measuring dropped calls. They were measuring what
> they assumed to be an approximation of dropped calls. A duplicate call
> placed within 2 minutes.

True...

> I often place calls to relatives that also have AT&T and manys the
> time within 2 minutes I think of something else I forgot to say and
> call them back. But those calls would have been counted as dropped
> calls.


Yes- but in all likelihood, those "benign" callbacks would happen equally
across all carriers. Therefore, the "extra" callbacks users of some
carriers experienced either indicate another reason for callbacks, such as
dropped calls. Either that or Verizon's and T-Mo's customers are far more
forgetful than Sprint's as a whole, and think of more things to say after
hanging up...

At 22 Jun 2008 18:12:56 -0500 Ron wrote:

> Going by Houston, Tx, Los Angeles, New York City,
> and Miami; where I have experience, I can categorically state I have
> experienced 90% fewer dropped calls with AT&T than Sprint.


And how long has it been since you were with Sprint? At least 2 or 3 years
by your postings, IIRC. You're hardly a reliable data point (for a variety
of reasons...)

3g Apple iPhone Video Review

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmlm5PYkjAw

Added: June 12, 2008 (More info)
This is a video review of the upcoming 3g apple..

Killer video - must watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmlm5PYkjAw

4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:fdca25b4-c6e2-4608-be2b-
6552f916df93@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:

> 3g Apple iPhone Video Review
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmlm5PYkjAw
>
> Added: June 12, 2008 (More info)
> This is a video review of the upcoming 3g apple..
>
> Killer video - must watch
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmlm5PYkjAw
>
>

Thanks, Vic, for wasting our time....

On Jun 23, 12:29*am, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> 4phun <vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote in news:fdca25b4-c6e2-4608-be2b-
> 6552f916d...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
>
> > 3g Apple iPhone Video Review
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmlm5PYkjAw
>
> > *Added: *June 12, 2008 *(More info)
> > This is a video review of the upcoming 3g apple..
>
> > Killer video - must watch
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmlm5PYkjAw
>
> Thanks, Vic, for wasting our time....

Gottcha Larry ? ;>)

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:12:13 -0600, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:

>At 22 Jun 2008 18:19:25 -0500 Ron wrote:
>
>> BOGUS STATISTICS !!!!
>>
>> >http://www.cellular-news.com/story/22188.php
>> >
>> >Which Carrier Is Winning the War On Fewest Dropped Calls?
>> >
>> >With all major wireless carriers claiming to offer the fewest dropped
>> >calls, wireless management services provider mindWireless used its
>> >database of call data to research the facts of the claims. Using a
>> >sample of more than 80 million calls placed and received between January
>> >1, 2006 and June 30, 2006, mindWireless found Sprint, followed by
>> >Cingular's legacy AT&T Wireless to have the fewest number of dropped
>> >calls, nearly 50 percent behind Verizon, the carrier claiming the best,
>> >most reliable network.
>>
>>
>> Except they werent measuring dropped calls. They were measuring what
>> they assumed to be an approximation of dropped calls. A duplicate call
>> placed within 2 minutes.
>
>True...
>
>> I often place calls to relatives that also have AT&T and manys the
>> time within 2 minutes I think of something else I forgot to say and
>> call them back. But those calls would have been counted as dropped
>> calls.
>
>
>Yes- but in all likelihood, those "benign" callbacks would happen equally
>across all carriers. Therefore, the "extra" callbacks users of some
>carriers experienced either indicate another reason for callbacks, such as
>dropped calls. Either that or Verizon's and T-Mo's customers are far more
>forgetful than Sprint's as a whole, and think of more things to say after
>hanging up...
>


You are just guessing here. We have no way to know.

Ron wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:12:13 -0600, Todd Allcock
> <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
>
>> At 22 Jun 2008 18:19:25 -0500 Ron wrote:
>>
>>> BOGUS STATISTICS !!!!
>>>
>>>> http://www.cellular-news.com/story/22188.php
>>>>
>>>> Which Carrier Is Winning the War On Fewest Dropped Calls?
>>>>
>>>> With all major wireless carriers claiming to offer the fewest dropped
>>>> calls, wireless management services provider mindWireless used its
>>>> database of call data to research the facts of the claims. Using a
>>>> sample of more than 80 million calls placed and received between January
>>>> 1, 2006 and June 30, 2006, mindWireless found Sprint, followed by
>>>> Cingular's legacy AT&T Wireless to have the fewest number of dropped
>>>> calls, nearly 50 percent behind Verizon, the carrier claiming the best,
>>>> most reliable network.
>>>
>>> Except they werent measuring dropped calls. They were measuring what
>>> they assumed to be an approximation of dropped calls. A duplicate call
>>> placed within 2 minutes.
>> True...
>>
>>> I often place calls to relatives that also have AT&T and manys the
>>> time within 2 minutes I think of something else I forgot to say and
>>> call them back. But those calls would have been counted as dropped
>>> calls.
>>
>> Yes- but in all likelihood, those "benign" callbacks would happen equally
>> across all carriers. Therefore, the "extra" callbacks users of some
>> carriers experienced either indicate another reason for callbacks, such as
>> dropped calls. Either that or Verizon's and T-Mo's customers are far more
>> forgetful than Sprint's as a whole, and think of more things to say after
>> hanging up...
>>
>
>
> You are just guessing here. We have no way to know.
>
Actually we do but we can't see the data that is logged for internal
use. The system knows the difference between a drop and an actual
termination.

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:21:27 -0400, George <george@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>Ron wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:12:13 -0600, Todd Allcock
>> <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
>>
>>> At 22 Jun 2008 18:19:25 -0500 Ron wrote:
>>>
>>>> BOGUS STATISTICS !!!!
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.cellular-news.com/story/22188.php
>>>>>
>>>>> Which Carrier Is Winning the War On Fewest Dropped Calls?
>>>>>
>>>>> With all major wireless carriers claiming to offer the fewest dropped
>>>>> calls, wireless management services provider mindWireless used its
>>>>> database of call data to research the facts of the claims. Using a
>>>>> sample of more than 80 million calls placed and received between January
>>>>> 1, 2006 and June 30, 2006, mindWireless found Sprint, followed by
>>>>> Cingular's legacy AT&T Wireless to have the fewest number of dropped
>>>>> calls, nearly 50 percent behind Verizon, the carrier claiming the best,
>>>>> most reliable network.
>>>>
>>>> Except they werent measuring dropped calls. They were measuring what
>>>> they assumed to be an approximation of dropped calls. A duplicate call
>>>> placed within 2 minutes.
>>> True...
>>>
>>>> I often place calls to relatives that also have AT&T and manys the
>>>> time within 2 minutes I think of something else I forgot to say and
>>>> call them back. But those calls would have been counted as dropped
>>>> calls.
>>>
>>> Yes- but in all likelihood, those "benign" callbacks would happen equally
>>> across all carriers. Therefore, the "extra" callbacks users of some
>>> carriers experienced either indicate another reason for callbacks, such as
>>> dropped calls. Either that or Verizon's and T-Mo's customers are far more
>>> forgetful than Sprint's as a whole, and think of more things to say after
>>> hanging up...
>>>
>>
>>
>> You are just guessing here. We have no way to know.
>>
>Actually we do but we can't see the data that is logged for internal
>use. The system knows the difference between a drop and an actual
>termination.


We all know Sprint is stuck with the inferior PCS band of 1900 MHz
which results in greater attention and less of a reach from their
towers and far poorer building penetration.

We also know Sprint can no longer hand you off to Verizon Analog.

Ron wrote:
> Except they werent measuring dropped calls. They were measuring what
> they assumed to be an approximation of dropped calls. A duplicate call
> placed within 2 minutes.
>
> I often place calls to relatives that also have AT&T and manys the
> time within 2 minutes I think of something else I forgot to say and
> call them back. But those calls would have been counted as dropped
> calls.

For that to be a valid argument, one would have to assume that users
on the other carriers don't make such second calls.

Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:5iev549uu4d8kpsqlsjj7qt510o9i9j71d@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:21:27 -0400, George <george@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>Ron wrote:
>>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:12:13 -0600, Todd Allcock
>>> <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> At 22 Jun 2008 18:19:25 -0500 Ron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> BOGUS STATISTICS !!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.cellular-news.com/story/22188.php
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which Carrier Is Winning the War On Fewest Dropped Calls?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With all major wireless carriers claiming to offer the fewest
>>>>>> dropped calls, wireless management services provider mindWireless
>>>>>> used its database of call data to research the facts of the
>>>>>> claims. Using a sample of more than 80 million calls placed and
>>>>>> received between January 1, 2006 and June 30, 2006, mindWireless
>>>>>> found Sprint, followed by Cingular's legacy AT&T Wireless to have
>>>>>> the fewest number of dropped calls, nearly 50 percent behind
>>>>>> Verizon, the carrier claiming the best, most reliable network.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except they werent measuring dropped calls. They were measuring
>>>>> what they assumed to be an approximation of dropped calls. A
>>>>> duplicate call placed within 2 minutes.
>>>> True...
>>>>
>>>>> I often place calls to relatives that also have AT&T and manys the
>>>>> time within 2 minutes I think of something else I forgot to say
>>>>> and call them back. But those calls would have been counted as
>>>>> dropped calls.
>>>>
>>>> Yes- but in all likelihood, those "benign" callbacks would happen
>>>> equally across all carriers. Therefore, the "extra" callbacks
>>>> users of some carriers experienced either indicate another reason
>>>> for callbacks, such as dropped calls. Either that or Verizon's and
>>>> T-Mo's customers are far more forgetful than Sprint's as a whole,
>>>> and think of more things to say after hanging up...
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You are just guessing here. We have no way to know.
>>>
>>Actually we do but we can't see the data that is logged for internal
>>use. The system knows the difference between a drop and an actual
>>termination.
>
>
> We all know Sprint is stuck with the inferior PCS band of 1900 MHz
> which results in greater attention and less of a reach from their
> towers and far poorer building penetration.

No- we all know the data as it has been presented. Sprint was found to
have the fewest potential dropped calls. Any deviation from the true
numbers would be equally shared by all carriers.

Now go take your medicine- your paranoia is starting to show again.

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:22:45 -0500, DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx>
wrote:

>Ron wrote:
>> Except they werent measuring dropped calls. They were measuring what
>> they assumed to be an approximation of dropped calls. A duplicate call
>> placed within 2 minutes.
>>
>> I often place calls to relatives that also have AT&T and manys the
>> time within 2 minutes I think of something else I forgot to say and
>> call them back. But those calls would have been counted as dropped
>> calls.
>
>For that to be a valid argument, one would have to assume that users
>on the other carriers don't make such second calls.


Depends on whther the carrier has mobile to mobile, and with the
largest number of subscribers, there's more mobile to mobile on AT&T.

Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:fu7264hash6au3qdbru8hoo8al27ktkq4q@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:22:45 -0500, DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx>
> wrote:
>
>>Ron wrote:
>>> Except they werent measuring dropped calls. They were measuring what
>>> they assumed to be an approximation of dropped calls. A duplicate call
>>> placed within 2 minutes.
>>>
>>> I often place calls to relatives that also have AT&T and manys the
>>> time within 2 minutes I think of something else I forgot to say and
>>> call them back. But those calls would have been counted as dropped
>>> calls.
>>
>>For that to be a valid argument, one would have to assume that users
>>on the other carriers don't make such second calls.
>
>
> Depends on whther the carrier has mobile to mobile, and with the
> largest number of subscribers, there's more mobile to mobile on AT&T.
>

The big four all have mobile to mobile. More subscribers would mean more
calls generated, and therefore the percentage obtained by measuring in this
manner would remain consistent from carrier to carrier if mobile to mobile
calls were considered.

Got some other half-baked logic to try next?

My AppleFan friend:
My phone has a microSD card (4G that cost $17.00, delivered. They are
cheaper all the time. When you buy products from more than one company
(ahem, like Apple) you tend to be able to get better prices. Oh yeah, my
phone's cheap SD card can also store stuff like Tom Tom Navigator software
so I have a REAL gps unit, not some GPS-A thing tied to an internet connect
using Google maps (which does pathetic routing compared to a real GPS unit).
By the way, my Windows Mobile phone (xv6800--replaced a 6700) gets super
battery life and it can take that one out and put in a spare if I want to.
Can also charge it nearly anywhere via a USP connector. MANY advantages of
some other phones over the iPhone, so you might want to try an objective
look around, if that is possible.
"4phun" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2f5aaab7-b15a-4350-8cb8-b47394d14b05@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 22, 10:30 am, 4iFone <McPherson.truck.2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This CDMA iPhone wanabee probably eats batteries but you can buy
> extras and carry them in your pocket.
>
> http://micro-sd-memory.blogspot.com/...tinct-with-hap...
> Sunday, June 22, 2008
> Samsung Instinct with Haptic Feedback: Yes it is iPhone Killer
>
> The Samsung Instinct is the most impressive iPhone 3G alternative
> we’ve seen so far. It offers haptic feedback (small vibrations in
> response to touches), 3G, GPS, 2-megapixel camera with video
> recording, full e-mail and web browsing capabilities, and much more!
> The Instinct runs on Sprint’s EV-DO Rev A high-speed network.
>
> This remarkable smartphone features full QWERTY touchpad in landscape
> format for faster typing… but, forget about typing. With Speech to
> Action feature, all you have to do is say “search” and ask for “coffee
> shops” or “pizza” or whatever you are looking for.
>
> With the the help of built-in GPS capabilities, the Instinct will
> quickly locate results near you. It will even give you direction via
> Windows Live Maps. You can use speech commands for pretty much
> anything you do - from texting, email sending, news searching, weather
> info requests, traffic inquiries, and more. With Mobile Sync you can
> always sync your phone to the Sprint website and back up all your
> important data. When your battery runs low, simply change it. The
> Samsung Instinct comes with 2 standard batteries in the box, so you
> just switch them out while you charge the other.
>
> With Stereo Bluetooth Profiles, you can stream your audio to a stereo
> Bluetooth headset complete with Call Announce. A very important
> feature is ability to multi-task. For example, you can listen to music
> while you browse the web, and you can pause your tunes when a call
> comes through.
>
> A 2GB microSD card is included, plus the Samsung Instinct can hold up
> to 8GB of external memory. You can use your memory to shoot, store,
> and share pictures and videos with 2.0 MP camera and camcorder. All
> images and videos can be viewed in thumbail mode or can be scrolled
> though larger previews with filmstrip mode.
>
> Customizable favorites allow you to easily drag-and-drop applications
> in the order you want them. This feature comes handy when you want
> your most-used features to be placed front and center.
>
> Sprint Power Vision Services include Sprint TV Enabled, Sprint Mobile
> Email, Spring Navigation, Sprint PCS Picture Mail, Sprint Music Store,
> games, screen savers, and more. Most importantly, you can watch TV on-
> the-go, quickly download your favorite music, and check your E-mail,
> whether it’s corporate, POP3 or online service.
>
> On Friday, Samsung Electronics began selling its touch-screen Instinct
> handset for $70 cheaper than Apple’s iPhone 3G. The newest smartphone
> is offered by Sprint Nextel for $130 after rebate. Sprint has said it
> will spend more than $100 million to market the touch-screen Instinct
> in hopes the cellphone can recover from steep customer losses.
>
> What’s in the box? The Samsung Instinct includes: M800 Handset with
> battery cover, 2GB microSD card (inserted into phone), 2 standard
> batteries, battery cell charger, AC charger, chargeable USB cable,
> 3.5mm stereo headphones with microphone, microSD memory card adapter
> for use with PCs, stylus packed in mini leather case, and printed
> materials with CD.

How does that compare to the $300 16 GB iPhone? Wait, you can not buy
a 16GB micro sd card so this will never be a 16GB Instinct.

So compare that to a $200 8 GB iPhone. You pay $130 to Sprint and then
add an 8 GB sd card for $50 to $80 which takes this gem to $180 to
$210.

Then you have to worry about the sd card getting ejected and lost so
you have to buy another one again.

Samsung should have just included the memory to start with like Apple
does. Now does Sprint email work with Yahoo, HotMail or GMail like the
plain Jane iPhone does? Do you get true HTML email or plain text?

Do they give you a bag to carry all that extra hadware in that is
needed to keep the instinct running during the day?

Does it even sync with iTunes or does it sync OTA with Sprint or that
Micorsoft WinMo cludge for Sync to a PC?

What is the end user experience - all promise ending in frustration?

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:040720081923158325%
nospam@nospam.invalid:

> the iphone has 8 or 16 gig built-in, with no need to buy extra cards
> and swap among them. granted, one can't have more memory than what is
> built-in (at least until there's a 32 gig version released), but most
> people don't need that much memory in a phone. for those who do, there
> are obviously alternatives.
>
>

I agree with you, fully. The FruitFone has no need of memory, at the
moment. You're not allowed to run anything on it that will need memory,
except now for the new mapping software which is going to need memory to
store maps, POIs, routes, etc.....unless Jobs has that net-based, too.

Because it's just a sellphone, not a real computer, much memory and the
ability to change it at will, is unnecessary.

I've configured an 8GB SDHC card I used to use for tablet storage before I
got the 16GB cards, to be the boot and storage memory for Google Android on
my N800. If I don't want to play with Android, I'll leave out the card.

.....at least I have choices....(c;

In article <AOydneXnKtKMNfHVnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@rcn.net>, Prilosec
<purple@nni.net> wrote:

> My AppleFan friend:
> My phone has a microSD card (4G that cost $17.00, delivered. They are
> cheaper all the time.

the iphone has 8 or 16 gig built-in, with no need to buy extra cards
and swap among them. granted, one can't have more memory than what is
built-in (at least until there's a 32 gig version released), but most
people don't need that much memory in a phone. for those who do, there
are obviously alternatives.

> When you buy products from more than one company
> (ahem, like Apple) you tend to be able to get better prices. Oh yeah, my
> phone's cheap SD card can also store stuff like Tom Tom Navigator software

tomtom has announced navigation software for the iphone already.

> so I have a REAL gps unit, not some GPS-A thing tied to an internet connect
> using Google maps (which does pathetic routing compared to a real GPS unit).

the 3g iphone has a real gp