iPhone skepticism

JOHN DVORAK'S SECOND OPINION
Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone
Commentary: Company risks its reputation in competitive business
<http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/apple-should-pull-plug-iphone/story.aspx?guid=%7B3289E5E2-E67C-4395-8A8E-B94C1B480D4A%7D>

Also:

iPhone: Harder to Build than Apple Thought
<http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/apr2007/tc20070413_247721.htm>

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John Navas wrote:
> JOHN DVORAK'S SECOND OPINION
> Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone
> Commentary: Company risks its reputation in competitive business
> <http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/apple-should-pull-plug-iphone/story.aspx?guid=%7B3289E5E2-E67C-4395-8A8E-B94C1B480D4A%7D>
>
> Also:
>
> iPhone: Harder to Build than Apple Thought
> <http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/apr2007/tc20070413_247721.htm>
>
Both OLD news...

Mike M wrote:
> John Navas wrote:
>> JOHN DVORAK'S SECOND OPINION
>> Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone
>> Commentary: Company risks its reputation in competitive business
>> <http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/apple-should-pull-plug-iphone/story.aspx?guid=%7B3289E5E2-E67C-4395-8A8E-B94C1B480D4A%7D>
>>
>>
>> Also:
>>
>> iPhone: Harder to Build than Apple Thought
>> <http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/apr2007/tc20070413_247721.htm>
>>
>>
> Both OLD news...



This ain't...
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=3302278

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I also think that the iPhone is mostly hype and will end up a bust.

Bucky wrote:
> I also think that the iPhone is mostly hype and will end up a bust.
>


I agree about the mostly hype, Apple/AT&T seem to have pulled off a coup
with this product, each company playing their hype off the media, and
each have been getting free media coverage ever since. So, to everyone
that's been salivating over the iPhone since day one, you're acting like
Pavlov's puppy - responding to the hype, not the product. Marketing
hype offers the iPhone bone, and it works well on trained puppies.

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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:34:32 GMT, John Navas <jnavas@navasgroup.com>
wrote:

>JOHN DVORAK'S SECOND OPINION
>Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone
>Commentary: Company risks its reputation in competitive business
><http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/apple-should-pull-plug-iphone/story.aspx?guid=%7B3289E5E2-E67C-4395-8A8E-B94C1B480D4A%7D>

A March 28 story.

>
>Also:
>
>iPhone: Harder to Build than Apple Thought
><http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/apr2007/tc20070413_247721.htm>

An April 13 story


Why are you working so hard to put down the iPhone by rooting out old
outdated opinions pieces.

This surely qualifies as a TROLL.

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:56:31 -0700, Bucky <uw_badgers@email.com>
wrote:

>I also think that the iPhone is mostly hype and will end up a bust.


Are you the one that slammed me when I correctly predicted that the
$300 RAZRs would be given out free within a year?

My correct prediction is this is the biggest best thing to hit
cellular phones, and will sell out quickly this month,
and results in big gains for AT&T, and losses for the competition
as folks switch over to buy and use an iPhone.

Name another phone with Visual Voice Mail that
allows random access.

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:18:36 -0500, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:

>Bucky wrote:
>> I also think that the iPhone is mostly hype and will end up a bust.
>>
>
>
>I agree about the mostly hype, Apple/AT&T seem to have pulled off a coup
>with this product, each company playing their hype off the media, and
>each have been getting free media coverage ever since. So, to everyone
>that's been salivating over the iPhone since day one, you're acting like
>Pavlov's puppy - responding to the hype, not the product. Marketing
>hype offers the iPhone bone, and it works well on trained puppies.


Sometimes hyped things become Great Successes. Like the Prius. Now
750,000 sold.

karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:18:36 -0500, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:
>
>> Bucky wrote:
>>> I also think that the iPhone is mostly hype and will end up a bust.
>>>
>>
>> I agree about the mostly hype, Apple/AT&T seem to have pulled off a coup
>> with this product, each company playing their hype off the media, and
>> each have been getting free media coverage ever since. So, to everyone
>> that's been salivating over the iPhone since day one, you're acting like
>> Pavlov's puppy - responding to the hype, not the product. Marketing
>> hype offers the iPhone bone, and it works well on trained puppies.
>
>
> Sometimes hyped things become Great Successes. Like the Prius. Now
> 750,000 sold.


And sometimes they don't. Like the war in the Middle East.

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In article <1182491791.468381.101890@x35g2000prf.googlegroups .com>,
Bucky <uw_badgers@email.com> wrote:

> I also think that the iPhone is mostly hype and will end up a bust.
>


I think that you should watch the video:
http://www.apple.com/iphone/usingiph...our_large.html

On Jun 22, 6:46 am, karlkrand...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Are you the one that slammed me when I correctly predicted that the
> $300 RAZRs would be given out free within a year?

OK, if iPhone drops from $500 to $200 within a year, then it will be a
fantastic success.

> My correct prediction is this is the biggest best thing to hit
> cellular phones, and will sell out quickly this month,

Of course it will sell out quickly, because Apple usually is unable to
manufacture very many units of their new products. My prediction is
that yes, it will sell out initially (due to low supply and pent-up
hype), but in the long run will be a business disappointment.

On Jun 22, 3:11 pm, StevieRay <shirs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I think that you should watch the video:http://www.apple.com/iphone/usingiph...our_large.html

I have no doubts that iPhone has revolutionary features and is a very
cool product. But I don't think it will have the volume of sales at
$500. We'll see.

In article <1182590076.849740.73270@o11g2000prd.googlegroups. com>,
Bucky <uw_badgers@email.com> wrote:

> On Jun 22, 6:46 am, karlkrand...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> > Are you the one that slammed me when I correctly predicted that the
> > $300 RAZRs would be given out free within a year?
>
> OK, if iPhone drops from $500 to $200 within a year, then it will be a
> fantastic success.
>
> > My correct prediction is this is the biggest best thing to hit
> > cellular phones, and will sell out quickly this month,
>
> Of course it will sell out quickly, because Apple usually is unable to
> manufacture very many units of their new products. My prediction is
> that yes, it will sell out initially (due to low supply and pent-up
> hype), but in the long run will be a business disappointment.

The naysayers said the same thing about the iPod.

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only the poor AT&T service and coverage will hurt the iPhone

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> JOHN DVORAK'S SECOND OPINION
> Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone
> Commentary: Company risks its reputation in competitive business
> <http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/apple-should-pull-plug-iphone/story.aspx?guid=%7B3289E5E2-E67C-4395-8A8E-B94C1B480D4A%7D>
>
> Also:
>
> iPhone: Harder to Build than Apple Thought
> <http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/apr2007/tc20070413_247721.htm>
>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
> John Navas
> <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

At 22 Jun 2007 13:46:46 +0000 karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote:

> Name another phone with Visual Voice Mail that
> allows random access.

Um, my current Windows Mobile-powered T-Mobile MDA has had it for the
last several months...

I use Callwave.com's free mobile Visual Voicemail service. They send my
voicemails to my (free, courtesy mail2web.com) push e-mail Exchange
account as .wav files instantly. I don't have to call in to retrieve
them- I just click and listen. The e-mail subject is "Name and/or
Number" (depending on CID availability) followed by "-- Missed Call" or
"left a(n) 'x'-second Voicemail Message" (depending on whether a message
was left or not.)

Besides the obvious advantage of having the voicemail audio available
with a screen tap, it also gives a record of missed calls that didn't
leave a message when your phone is off or out of a service area, a
feature one usually doesn't have.

For non push-e-mail phones, the same info (without the audio .wav
attachments) can be received as text messages, giving any el-cheapo
handset quasi-Visual Voicemail for free.

With the exception of the multi-touch display, (as opposed to a regular
"single-touch" touchscreen,) I still see no "revolutionary" features in
the iPhone. But, (before the Apple fanboys pounce on me) that's not to
belittle the iPhone. There was nothing really technologically
revolutionary about the iPod, either- Apple took a common device, the MP3
player, and enhanced the interface/useability of it, turning it into a
success. The same might be true of the iPhone.

For example, my WinMo phone can do just about anything the iPhone is
purported to be capable of, and at a third of the price, but it's
admittedly akward to use, and has a fairly steep learning curve, even for
someone accustomed to a Windows PC. If iPhone can make mobile e-mail and
web-browsing easy, intuitive, and a pleasure to use, then it will be
successful. If not, then it will simply be an overpriced iPod Video with
a akwardly push-buttonless phone built-in.

On Jun 23, 4:28 pm, Kurt <labol...@spacegmail.com> wrote:
> The naysayers said the same thing about the iPod.

I guess we'll see in a a few months.

In article <f5l0r4$bsv$3@aioe.org>,
Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:

> For example, my WinMo phone can do just about anything the iPhone is
> purported to be capable of, and at a third of the price, but it's
> admittedly akward to use, and has a fairly steep learning curve, even for
> someone accustomed to a Windows PC. If iPhone can make mobile e-mail and
> web-browsing easy, intuitive, and a pleasure to use, then it will be
> successful. If not, then it will simply be an overpriced iPod Video with
> a akwardly push-buttonless phone built-in.

This is why the iPhone will do well.
No other phone manufacturer has been able to do an intuitive, easy to
use multi-use phone. Not one.

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At 25 Jun 2007 10:55:08 -0700 Kurt wrote:

>
> This is why the iPhone will do well.
> No other phone manufacturer has been able to do an intuitive, easy to
> use multi-use phone. Not one.


I recall both the Blackberry and Treo 600 both being considered
"revolutionary" in their day as well.

Again, Apple might have a winner, but ONLY because of usability- there is
nothing "new" here.

For those of us who've already traveled the learning curve, our $99-199
Smartphones and Blackberries already do all the iPhone seems to do, and
does many of them better. But that's ok- the iPhone is for a different
market. One, apparently, I'm not part of!

I just find all of the hype fascinating- no product, regardless of how
well designed, could measure up to people's (now unrealistic) expectations.
The iPhone will have to walk on water to live up to the hype.