Re: Apple Flops: iPhone will flop like Mac Mini, Cube, Newton, etc, etc
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:20:42 -0700, asjbiotek@gmail.com wrote, quoted
or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>This guy nailed it, although I think the iphone will just become like
>any other smartphone as opposed to an outright flop, albeit a lot more
>CRIPPLED because you actually can't do anything with it.
It is a fashion accessory, like a diamond ring or a Rolex. It does not
have to do anything, just be expensive.
--
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Re: Apple Flops: iPhone will flop like Mac Mini, Cube, Newton, etc, etc
In article <5epa9316ne1asldjfu3iua179sbdsvlcqt@4ax.com>,
Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:20:42 -0700, asjbiotek@gmail.com wrote, quoted
> or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>
> >This guy nailed it, although I think the iphone will just become like
> >any other smartphone as opposed to an outright flop, albeit a lot more
> >CRIPPLED because you actually can't do anything with it.
>
> It is a fashion accessory, like a diamond ring or a Rolex. It does not
> have to do anything, just be expensive.
> --
> Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
Re: $49 phones can do more than the crippled $500 iPhone!
> Is that the fault of the iPhone hardware, or the slowness of the AT&T
> network?
>
> I thought it odd that Apple is keeping secret basic facts about the
> iPhone hardware including CPU, clock speed and amount of RAM.
> --
> Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
> The Java Glossary
> http://mindprod.com
It isn't at&t's fault Apple didn't make the phone 3g. BTW played with one
pretty extensively at work, it is a nice phone, the iphone has alot of
potential, if they make the next one 3g, or able to flash it to support 3g,
which I'm not sure's possiable. In fact doubt it is. The edge service
while slow compared to 3g wasn't unbearable, actually better then I thought
it would be. I do know at&t is using 3g sims in them, but, at&t gives 3g
sims out to all new customers, with or without 3g service or 3g supported
phone, cheaper to keep one line of sim cards, less confusion and logistics.
As well as less of a headache if and when a customer decides to upgrade.
I do think its expensive, OK over priced, but alot of things are, if someone
wants one and decides to lay down the bux, I wish them good luck and hope
they enjoy it. Still I do like my 8525 better, and my N75 about as much.
(yes I swap sims)
Re: Apple Flops: iPhone will flop like Mac Mini, Cube, Newton, etc, etc
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:10:19 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>> It is a fashion accessory, like a diamond ring or a Rolex. It does not
>> have to do anything, just be expensive.
>> --
>> Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
>
>
>I feel the same way about Canadian mind products.
that does not make sense. Nearly everything on my site is free, with
a few programs costing $10 bucks where you get the source even for
evaluation.
--
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The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:37:20 -0000, ed <news@atwistedweb.com> wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>um, you realize java support for the iphone has *always* been a
>software update away, and this doesn't really change that, eh?
Except that Steve Jobs for some odd reason said at a news conference
it would never happen. Apple has lagged badly on the Mac. Perhaps
they are thinking Applet is too out is left field to ever support Java
efficiently and would look bad compared with the competition if they
try.
Java tries to turn its platform into Vanilla. The harder it has to
try, the more overhead in CPU and wasted RAM.
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:01:00 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>> 1. they won't tell me what CPU it has.
>
>Why do you care?
>
>>
>> 2. they won't tell me the clock speed.
>
>Why do you care?
>
>>
>> 3. they won't tell me how much RAM it has.
>
>Why do you care?
Because that gives me much more accurate idea that any glossy brochure
what the device in ultimately capable of.
>>
>> 4. It does not run Java and Steve Jobs spat on Java when asked about
>> support.
>
>"spat"? Please.
He was quite derogratory.
>> 5. they artificially locked the device into AT & T even though A T & T
>> has one of the worst data networks.
>
>They did what was required to get the phone available.
Locking is not something done for technical reasons. It is a
restraint of trade trick.
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:53:07 -0700, "ed"
<news@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :
>
>> And the benefit of a carrier
>> selling it for them.
>
>or maybe more carriers would have carried it...
By doing that they locked out sales from all of Canada. Perhaps they
are just skimming to get started. They are trying to spread out the
demand so they won't have to invest in manufacturing plant that will
go unused after the initial bubble.
Once demand slacks, they can offer an unlocked version to bring on the
next level of users.
--
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:14:57 -1000, Mitch <mitch@hawaii.rr> wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>
>Jobs likes to set a goal (about the way the device will operate, who it
>will be directed to, etc.) and then stick to it. That means once his
>team decided on features, they needed a carrier that would agree.
That sounds more plausible. Do you have any information on just what
had to change?
--
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com
Re: Apple Flops: iPhone will flop like Mac Mini, Cube, Newton, etc, etc
On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 05:57:20 -0000, asjbiotek@gmail.com wrote, quoted
or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>
>Considering that you seem to be actually pushing a ****** unstable OS
>called Windows Mobile, it took me about 10 ms to figure out you are
>Allcock but no balls....bwwahhahahbwahahaha!!!!
You are an odd one, someone with road rage, in an environment where no
one can cut him off, interrupt him, or impede his progress.
--
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com
"Roedy Green" <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:s88b93ds3b48fuj36lb67o5vrqiirvqkqa@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:53:07 -0700, "ed"
> <news@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
> someone who said :
>
>>
>>> And the benefit of a carrier
>>> selling it for them.
>>
>>or maybe more carriers would have carried it...
>
> By doing that they locked out sales from all of Canada. Perhaps they
> are just skimming to get started. They are trying to spread out the
> demand so they won't have to invest in manufacturing plant that will
> go unused after the initial bubble.
In article <m28b93djqjv6kbkcr97stdrj4pshbaranv@4ax.com>,
Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:01:00 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>
> >> 1. they won't tell me what CPU it has.
> >
> >Why do you care?
> >
> >>
> >> 2. they won't tell me the clock speed.
> >
> >Why do you care?
> >
> >>
> >> 3. they won't tell me how much RAM it has.
> >
> >Why do you care?
>
> Because that gives me much more accurate idea that any glossy brochure
> what the device in ultimately capable of.
Will it, now?
>
> >>
> >> 4. It does not run Java and Steve Jobs spat on Java when asked about
> >> support.
> >
> >"spat"? Please.
>
> He was quite derogratory.
Let's see the quotes...
>
> >> 5. they artificially locked the device into AT & T even though A T & T
> >> has one of the worst data networks.
> >
> >They did what was required to get the phone available.
>
> Locking is not something done for technical reasons. It is a
> restraint of trade trick.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
In article <m28b93djqjv6kbkcr97stdrj4pshbaranv@4ax.com>, Roedy Green
<see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> 5. they artificially locked the device into AT & T even though A T & T
> >> has one of the worst data networks.
> >
> >They did what was required to get the phone available.
>
> Locking is not something done for technical reasons. It is a
> restraint of trade trick.
No, it's a product development trick.
It causes no restraint of trade in any category; it doesn't affect any
other devices or what customers can do over networks, even with the
same carrier.
You could call it an arbitrary limitation, or you can call it a
limitation for good strategic reasons, but restraint of trade is not
one of the reasons.
In this case, Apple was very specific: they had some ideas they wanted
to get developed. In order to do those, they needed changes in the
carrier's system. Cingular agreed but they wanted exclusivity.
You could certainly argue that the insistence to get those features
into the product limits their growth. Apple isn't as concerned with
growth as you are. Apple, as a company, cares a lot more about making
the product as good as they can get it.
So they might be small things that make it different; things many
people wouldn't even notice. That doesn't matter; making it better
anyway is what matters. So many people pooh-poohed this product over
the past few months because most features aren't new to the industry.
What?
One side is arguing that Apple needs to develop all-new stuff, another
side arguing that it has to be compatible with all existing stuff,
another arguing it apparently angry it doesn't have feature X, and
another side arguing that it has to be totally open and encompassing
every top feature of all smart phones. Some of those are even the same
person, and some of them are arguing that everything else that has been
made before is better, even against direct and specific evidence that
proves that idea totally wrong.
Roedy Green wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:37:20 -0000, ed <news@atwistedweb.com> wrote,
> quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>
>> um, you realize java support for the iphone has *always* been a
>> software update away, and this doesn't really change that, eh?
>
> Except that Steve Jobs for some odd reason said at a news conference
> it would never happen. Apple has lagged badly on the Mac. Perhaps
> they are thinking Applet is too out is left field to ever support Java
> efficiently and would look bad compared with the competition if they
> try.
>
> Java tries to turn its platform into Vanilla. The harder it has to
> try, the more overhead in CPU and wasted RAM.
It may be that the whole gesture system means that, for all practical
purposes, iPhone applications just can't be meaningfully portable in
/any/ language.
--
John W. Kennedy
"...when you're trying to build a house of cards, the last thing you
should do is blow hard and wave your hands like a madman."
-- Rupert Goodwins
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:15:19 -1000, Mitch <mitch@hawaii.rr> wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>> Locking is not something done for technical reasons. It is a
>> restraint of trade trick.
>No, it's a product development trick.
In this case it may be, but in general, locking is purely to lock
customers in. It is a dirty trick since many customers don't realise
they are being had until they try to change vendors. It is less of a
problem now cellphones are getting cheaper (not counting the iPhone).
In article <fe8b935f1nkg3cbqhr3pakc2cm8korf3d3@4ax.com>, Roedy Green
<see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:
> >Jobs likes to set a goal (about the way the device will operate, who it
> >will be directed to, etc.) and then stick to it. That means once his
> >team decided on features, they needed a carrier that would agree.
>
> That sounds more plausible. Do you have any information on just what
> had to change?
Well, I haven't built a list as I've learned them, so I have to
backtrack a bit:
http://online.wsj.com/public/article...euxzmjNFZTZhA_
2z8OBtD6GK900_20070224.html?mod=blogs
relates these:
no Cingular (AT&T) brand on phone
no Cingular software, ringtones, and browser loaded
share a portion of monthly account revenue
selling through Cingular and Apple channels
simplified activation at home, through custom software
(I'll have to look for the technical alterations again.)
It is telling to me that the carriers are universally described as
taking the approach that they are the ones in control of both
manufacturers and end users, and that they should be.
That's just so backward, like the fuel makers telling both auto makers
and governments how driving should be done.
It also describes that Jobs was not very tactful about giving his view
to: that he spoke of the carriers getting between product and consumer
directly to carrier executives.
I perceive that Jobs simply forgets that people will respond to ideas
with emotions. I think he expects many to think logically instead.
It is important to see what Jobs does (and did) as having a particular
goal: he wants to build a specific kind of device, informed by experts
in design and UI, and focused as well as they can. It means that from
the outside, small issues look to have been given great importance.
That's a result of the focus of development, and it is a reason that
Apple's products (software, iPhone, iPod especially) seem to leave out
things. That inevitably means producing a device less than some people
want. But -- and this is the critical factor -- it also means that the
people it is really directed to will love it deeply and be very very
glad.
That's the difference: Apple is sacrificing making a pretty good device
that does many things, in order to make a great device that fewer
people are _extremely_ happy with. It's a corporate philosophy, and
it's why so many people in this group misunderstand Apple's decisions
(why didn't they make a low-end computer, why didn't they sell Mac OS
for generic PCs, why didn't they build iTunes and iPhoto and iWeb
together as one app, etc.)
In article <dbcd93dfgn9e0fv7uddt23bk7dt4pjt42t@4ax.com>, Roedy Green
<see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> Locking is not something done for technical reasons. It is a
> >> restraint of trade trick.
> >No, it's a product development trick.
> In this case it may be, but in general, locking is purely to lock
> customers in. It is a dirty trick since many customers don't realise
> they are being had until they try to change vendors.
Don't they?
I don't know why a customer wouldn't know they are locked to a specific
contract, when they signed one made very clear to them. The monthly
bill even tells them when they are getting clear of it.
But, why would you claim they are 'being had?'
What are they not getting?
I don't think anyone is being 'had' just because they have promised to
use that carrier for 12 months or whatever. They have to use _a_
carrier, and it has to be compatible with their phone, and rates aren't
that different between carriers.
Re: Today Show iPhone Flop: "The thing doesn't work for me"
On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 19:53:59 -0500, Scott <how.do@you.do> wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>The reason I make the claim is that I don't live my life with my head
>shoved up my own ***. You, OTOH, apparently have installed an oxygen
>feed so that you never have to come out.
Are you this obnoxious in person when you disagree with someone?
--
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com
Re: Apple Flops: iPhone will flop like Mac Mini, Cube, Newton, etc, etc
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 08:34:27 GMT, Roedy Green
<see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in
<4i2h93to163a4tk1a3mg44smbq5m25dj1e@4ax.com>:
>On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 05:57:35 -0700, asjbiotek@gmail.com wrote, quoted
>or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>
>>To a consumer end user, there usually isn't (and should not be) any
>>difference.between the two
>
>The differences the consumer might notice:
>
>1. greater availability of software. It does not have to be written
>for a specific model of phone.
>
>2. more efficient use of RAM.
>
>3. less efficient use of CPU.
>
>The usual problem is the lack of RAM in such beasts.
The "consumer" couldn't care less about those things.
--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
> Because, apparently, it is an unforgivable sin to build something that
> is good and desirable but doesn't fit EXACTLY the specs of every
> potential user.
> I don't know why this standard hasn't been applied to every other
> device in the world before now -- certainly every single other cell
> phone should be criticized as vociferously, since they do many things
> worse.
Good points. Some people think that the iPhone buyers somehow aren't
aware of the specs, and what is and is not present in the iPhone.
Sure it'd be nice if it had 3G data, a GPS, a memory card slot, a user
replaceable battery, ability to run third-party native applications, and
the ability to use prepaid SIMs when traveling, but everyone that buys
it does so knowing full well what features the iPhone does and doesn't
have. There are other phones that have all those features for those that
want them.
OTOH, I think that other cell phones aren't criticized as vociferously
because they don't cost $500-600. There may be an expectation that once
you have the large screen, you should have all the other features that
could make use of the screen.
> > Because, apparently, it is an unforgivable sin to build something that
> > is good and desirable but doesn't fit EXACTLY the specs of every
> > potential user.
>
> > I don't know why this standard hasn't been applied to every other
> > device in the world before now -- certainly every single other cell
> > phone should be criticized as vociferously, since they do many things
> > worse.
>
> Good points. Some people think that the iPhone buyers somehow aren't
> aware of the specs, and what is and is not present in the iPhone.
>
> Sure it'd be nice if it had 3G data, a GPS, a memory card slot,
the sim card in the iPhone says 3G on the back, believe it or not.
>a user
> replaceable battery,
ah, the battery is user replaceable and costs about $20 in 3-5 year of
use. when did that change?
> ability to run third-party native applications,
you can run 3rd party apps, but for safety they need to be run in
Java/Jjax, etc.
> and
> the ability to use prepaid SIMs when traveling,
yes, but in the US it really doesn't matter, you are talking about a
europe or asia feature that the gen 1 iphone really doesn't need.
> but everyone that buys
> it does so knowing full well what features the iPhone does and doesn't
> have. There are other phones that have all those features for those that
> want them.
>
> OTOH, I think that other cell phones aren't criticized as vociferously
> because they don't cost $500-600. There may be an expectation that once
> you have the large screen, you should have all the other features that
> could make use of the screen.
well, that's because the iPhone isn't a cell phone, it's a "smart
phone", and well priced when you look into that category. will apple
sell a cell phone? of course! then all hell breaks loose, many a cell
company goes under once that happens.
> ah, the battery is user replaceable and costs about $20 in 3-5 year of
> use. when did that change?
It never changed because it never was as you stated.
See "http://www.apple.com/support/iphone/service/battery/"
It's $86 plus tax, not including a loaner phone.
I'm sure that someone will come up with a kit that includes the tools to
change the battery, but maybe not, as apparently the iPhone battery is
soldered in, which helps reliability.
>> and
>> the ability to use prepaid SIMs when traveling,
>
> yes, but in the US it really doesn't matter, you are talking about a
> europe or asia feature that the gen 1 iphone really doesn't need.
Huh? If you travel to Europe or Asia, you want to take along an unlocked
phone that works on 900 and 1800 MHz to avoid paying international
roaming charges.
> > ah, the battery is user replaceable and costs about $20 in 3-5 year of
> > use. when did that change?
>
> It never changed because it never was as you stated.
>
> See "http://www.apple.com/support/iphone/service/battery/"
>
> It's $86 plus tax, not including a loaner phone.
but that's ONLY if you go through Apple, MOST people will not and will
go through normal channels like they have done with the iPod. "Do it
yourself, free, have someone replace your battery $10."
> I'm sure that someone will come up with a kit that includes the tools to
> change the battery, but maybe not, as apparently the iPhone battery is
> soldered in, which helps reliability.
Ah, they already have, several places are selling them for $20. the
iPhone battery IS NOT soldered on, you are just looking at the contacts,
the actual connection is just taped and lifts off.
> >> and
> >> the ability to use prepaid SIMs when traveling,
> >
> > yes, but in the US it really doesn't matter, you are talking about a
> > europe or asia feature that the gen 1 iphone really doesn't need.
>
> Huh? If you travel to Europe or Asia, you want to take along an unlocked
> phone that works on 900 and 1800 MHz to avoid paying international
> roaming charges.
Not come October when the iPhone will be released in Europe. Asia is
usually behind in cell tech, so they may take a little longer, but the
iPhone is the first WORLD phone, the first to ever be on the market.
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > > and
> > > the ability to use prepaid SIMs when traveling,
> >
> > yes, but in the US it really doesn't matter, you are talking about a
> > europe or asia feature that the gen 1 iphone really doesn't need.
>
> You can't defend a feature that other phones have by saying "yeah, well,
> nobody should want it, and besides, this is only a gen 1 phone". Lack
> of support for prepaid SIMs when travelling is, frankly, either sheer
> arrogance on Apple's part or sheer stupidity on everyone's part.
don't be SO dumb Elmo. Think a little okay? Pre-paid "sims" are
completely unheard of here, so by default you are absolutely wrong from
your very first sentence. Where in America can you swap out sim cards
and use a different carrier? None! You are being ignorant on how the
WORLD works.
> What, Steve Jobs never travels? Ah, yes--he never travels AND needs to
> deal with his own phone.
Sure once in awhile he does travel, (hates it but does) but why would he
use a different sim card when the iPhone is already quad band. You don't
need to have another sim card, he just pays a bit extra.
> I'm sure someone brought this up to him at some point--and he probably
> threw one of his well-known fits. You know, like back in the early 80s
> when someone asked him about lack of network ability on the Macintosh,
> and he threw a floppy disk at the interviewer and said, "There's your
> ****ing network."
yes, and I sense you do understand the situation with those comments,
but will the iPhone released in europe in Oct 07 have more than one
carrier, perhaps so.
> Steve Jobs wears a lot of black, because Steve Jobs's world is black and
> white. It is, or it isn't. Right now, he would spit in your face
> screaming about how you don't need support for prepaid SIMs. Then at
> some point the product will include such support, at which point he will
> deny that it ever didn't.
He wouldn't spit in my face, he knows me and fully respects my harsh
opinions. The use of a sim card is only good in old world countries, but
within the "states" everything works together. Europe is starting to
learn that, but still has a ways to go to meet steve's "US" standards.
> Regardless, you can't defend this. Not one iota. You don't bring a
> product out into such a mature world as cell phones and skip obvious
> features, and then tell the world "you don't need those features
> anyway". That's Microsoft-like.
Whatever, but the iPhone will completely change the ancient cell world
in Europe. Nokia will likely go bankrupt over the iPhone, Vodaphone must
really grasp onto the iPhone or they could be bought out by Apple. The
iPhone represents a change similar or even LARGER than the Mac did to
DOS computing, so all cell carriers need to kiss up to Apple or their
days are done.
These are just the facts.
The iPhone is AMAZING, 10-20 years ahead of anything a current cell
carrier can build... you don't yet understand that I can tell.
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > ah, the battery is user replaceable and costs about $20 in 3-5 year of
> > use. when did that change?
>
> It doesn't cost $20. It costs, what--$87?
Sure, just like Volvo windshield wipers cost $32 EACH.
Do you even try and think before you post Elmo? It seems as not.
An iPhone battery cost $20 every 3-5 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Or do you mean to say "about $20/year"?
>
> What it does NOT have is a user replaceable battery--something that
> we've come to know and love, and which Apple has chosen since the first
> iPod to deny its users (some would say "followers").
But do you really need to ever replace it? No. That's where you are
being made to look foolish.
Do you reallllly keep your cell phones 5 years?
Nope!
You keep them 2-3 then get another one, NO battery would EVER be needed
in 90% of the users using an iPhone.
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > > Sure it'd be nice if it had 3G data, a GPS, a memory card slot,
> >
> > the sim card in the iPhone says 3G on the back, believe it or not.
>
> So you can take that SIM card and put it into a phone that *does* use 3G
> networks.
>
> That doesn't change the fact that the iPhone uses the older, slower EDGE.
But who really cares? VERY rarely are you going to even use EDGE.
Most places in the US already use 802.11b/g or faster for their iPhones,
so even the concept of "EDGE" is foreign to most Americans. We by-passed
the cell network for data several years ago, we primarily use 802.11 for
free, not some silly "for pay" cell phone system.
Just as modems died in the late 90's, Apple is well on its way to
killing all Cell Towers. Just watch, Apple is in control now, and that
can only be good for everyone that likes modern technology.
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > well, that's because the iPhone isn't a cell phone, it's a "smart
> > phone",
>
> What's the difference?
the "cell phone" aspect is just 25% of the device.
> Does a "smart phone" not make cell phone calls?
yes, but that's only 3/4 of its power. you seem to be living in 1996? is
that true? My calendar says 2007, so you have 11 years to catch up with
the iphone. I also got a full 3.5 inch color iPod, and a FULL browser
which has never been seen on any cell phone and all my mail through
802.11.
> Oh, it does? then it's a cell phone. No matter what else it may be,
> it's a cell phone--and it's expected to do what cell phones do.
yeah, but that's not a big reason to own an iPhone. the Cell phone
concept has pretty much died at this point, communication is the overall
goal.
> When a $600 product can't do what a $40 product can, something's wrong.
when did apple increase the price by $101???? do you have a press
release on that? I bet you don't, another lie by the old Elmo.
any iPhone can be had for $499, not some crazy $600 number
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > Ah, they already have, several places are selling them for $20. the
> > iPhone battery IS NOT soldered on,
>
> Now you're just lying in the hopes that some ignoramuses will believe
> you.
look at how it's connected, it's just a snap and fit, snap the iphone
together and you are good for another 3-5 years. All for $20!
> Jesus Christ. You act as if your world comes to an end the moment
> anyone doesn't like your iPhone.
No, I just understand excellence, and you don't... and want everyone in
the world to live in squalor. Shame on you Elmo, shame on you.
"none" <a@b.com> wrote in message
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> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
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>> Huh? If you travel to Europe or Asia, you want to take along an unlocked
>> phone that works on 900 and 1800 MHz to avoid paying international
>> roaming charges.
>
> Not come October when the iPhone will be released in Europe. Asia is
> usually behind in cell tech,
hahhahaaaa, you sound more ignorant every day!
> so they may take a little longer, but the
> iPhone is the first WORLD phone, the first to ever be on the market.
> Steve Jobs wears a lot of black, because Steve Jobs's world is black and
> white. It is, or it isn't. Right now, he would spit in your face
> screaming about how you don't need support for prepaid SIMs. Then at
> some point the product will include such support, at which point he will
> deny that it ever didn't.
LOL, also, when it does include that support, many posters on CSMA will
claim that Apple invented prepaid SIM cards.
Actually, I'm sure that this feature omission was at the insistence of
Cingular, because they make a lot from international roaming.
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