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Old 06-27-2007, 04:53 PM
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Default the iPhone Widget List!

wow, already many apps / widgets for the iPhone and the thing doesn't
ship for 55ish hours! expect 1000's of these in a few months... they
really make apps on any other mobile phone obsolete!

http://www.iphonewidgetlist.com/

Those guys are sooooo screwed!

Learn how to make them fast, here:

http://webkit.org/blog/?p=87

Check the left side for the tools...

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Old 06-27-2007, 06:17 PM
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Oxford wrote:
> wow, already many apps / widgets for the iPhone and the thing doesn't
> ship for 55ish hours! expect 1000's of these in a few months... they
> really make apps on any other mobile phone obsolete!
>
> http://www.iphonewidgetlist.com/
>


Wake me up when u can get more than tepid gimmicky widget toys.

Here's some 3d Java racing games.

http://www.michaelyuan.com/blog/2007...mobile-phones/

Notice how puny your iphone widget webapps look in comparison?

I'll give you a tip, if your phone if it cannot use client side apps
(and the iphone is severely crippled because it cannot) can not match
the diversity and capabilities of of other cellphones.

The iphone is a crippled phone that does not allow you to make use of
any of the thousands of free Java games and apps out there on the web.

* Having some white castle while tapping this out on my Opera Mini
Java browser.


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Old 06-27-2007, 06:25 PM
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asjbio...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Wake me up when u can get more than tepid gimmicky widget toys.
>
> Here's some 3d Java racing games.
>
> http://www.michaelyuan.com/blog/2007...mobile-phones/
>
> Notice how puny your iphone widget webapps look in comparison?
>
> I'll give you a tip, if your phone if it cannot use client side apps
> (and the iphone is severely crippled because it cannot) can not match
> the diversity and capabilities of of other cellphones.
>
> The iphone is a crippled phone that does not allow you to make use of
> any of the thousands of free Java games and apps out there on the web.
>
> * Having some white castle while tapping this out on my Opera Mini
> Java browser.


whoops, the burger got in the way of my typing,

Point is though that java apps will always be better than any widget
toys.Just compare a desktop standalone app like google earth to a
webapp like google maps. Plus, since the market for java apps is a
multi-billion dollar one and worldwide, you can get free games and
apps on the web if your phone can run it.

iphones are severely crippled gadgets that will not allow you to run
the thousands of cool free apps out there.

* ewwww,,burger drippings!


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Old 06-27-2007, 06:40 PM
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asjbiotek@gmail.com wrote:

> > http://www.iphonewidgetlist.com/

>
> Wake me up when u can get more than tepid gimmicky widget toys.


gosh, you are such a sore loser.

> Here's some 3d Java racing games.
>
> http://www.michaelyuan.com/blog/2007...iving-games-on
> -java-mobile-phones/


then port them over, apple has high end games for the ipod, not silly
stuff like your link above

http://www.apple.com/itunes/store/games/

> Notice how puny your iphone widget webapps look in comparison?


ah, and do you realize there isn't yet a single iphone in the hands of
an owner yet? but in 3 weeks there will be millions in use?

> I'll give you a tip, if your phone if it cannot use client side apps
> (and the iphone is severely crippled because it cannot) can not match
> the diversity and capabilities of of other cellphones.
>
> The iphone is a crippled phone that does not allow you to make use of
> any of the thousands of free Java games and apps out there on the web.
>
> * Having some white castle while tapping this out on my Opera Mini
> Java browser.


Your just very, very, very jealous of a more advanced phone. I can see
the anger in your posts. Just get an iPhone and make yourself happy for
a change.

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Old 06-27-2007, 06:47 PM
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"Oxford" <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote in message
news:colalovesmacs-E650EF.10530427062007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net...
> wow, already many apps / widgets for the iPhone and the thing doesn't
> ship for 55ish hours! expect 1000's of these in a few months... they
> really make apps on any other mobile phone obsolete!
>
> http://www.iphonewidgetlist.com/
>
> Those guys are sooooo screwed!
>
> Learn how to make them fast, here:
>
> http://webkit.org/blog/?p=87
>
> Check the left side for the tools...


55 loooong hours. How will you ever survive?



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Old 06-27-2007, 06:48 PM
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asjbiotek@gmail.com wrote:

> * Having some white castle while tapping this out on my Opera Mini
> Java browser.


i like white castle in a blue collar sort of way. when you get done
being a redneck, check out Web 2.0 apps. It's looking more and more like
java has died.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/pr/20070611iphone.html

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Old 06-27-2007, 07:02 PM
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asjbiotek@gmail.com wrote:

> > * Having some white castle while tapping this out on my Opera Mini
> > Java browser.

>
> whoops, the burger got in the way of my typing,


if you had an iphone, that wouldn't be an issue (just totally kidding)

> Point is though that java apps will always be better than any widget
> toys.Just compare a desktop standalone app like google earth to a
> webapp like google maps.


yes, and Java / Google Earth works quite well on OSX, the same OS inside
the iPhone... hum... could there be a connection???????

> Plus, since the market for java apps is a
> multi-billion dollar one and worldwide, you can get free games and
> apps on the web if your phone can run it.
>
> iphones are severely crippled gadgets that will not allow you to run
> the thousands of cool free apps out there.


Hard to say quite yet, we are still 52 hours out, so while the iPhone
will certainly have MORE apps than any cell phones, the degree of
complexity in the first few months will probably pale in comparison for
around a year, then watch out. It's the whole iPod has 72% share, iPhone
has 72% share simply because it's a better product, and fully runs on
802.11, not some slow "cell" network.

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Old 06-27-2007, 07:04 PM
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Oxford wrote:
>


ROTFLOL!!!!

You give us some tepid looking little widget thingies and I show you
3D Java apps that I have running on my cell and you want me to use
YOUR puny little apps?

It's hilarious how far from reality some of you macnuts are....

Dude, i have several remote desktop java apps that allow me to log in
to my desktop and servers right now as if i'm right there. Widgets
won't do that.

I also have a Skype app that allows free calls. Widgets won't do
that..

I can name quite a lot of java standalone phone apps that can do
what stupid widgets can't do.

It's like asking ur desktop browser to suddenly work like Photoshop.

Like i said, complain to apple why they are preventing you guys from
access to so many free and useful apps and games by crippling the
iphone.

* tapping on my opera mini java browser while finishing up on lunch.


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Old 06-27-2007, 07:26 PM
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asjbiotek@gmail.com wrote:

> ROTFLOL!!!!
>
> You give us some tepid looking little widget thingies and I show you
> 3D Java apps that I have running on my cell and you want me to use
> YOUR puny little apps?


yes, but your 3D app was very primitive, not worthy of consideration for
a high end crowd. Plus it was a silly sports game for kids, not a
serious App.

You need to really realize what you are dealing with here, Bill Joy the
founder of Java is a HUGE mac fan, so Java Apps will be coming to the
iPhone, but not cheesy ones that only interest 10th graders.

> It's hilarious how far from reality some of you macnuts are....


No, most of us know the future, and have designed it. We just have to
deal with underlings that haven't yet caught up to our vision.

> Dude, i have several remote desktop java apps that allow me to log in
> to my desktop and servers right now as if i'm right there. Widgets
> won't do that.


Yes, and Apple has Remote Desktop that puts your Java App to SHAME.

http://www.apple.com/remotedesktop/

You don't seem to understand when you are dealing with the Apple world,
you are dealing with the pioneers of all this stuff, Apple sets the
rules for the world, others later follow, and that's been true for
nearly 32 years.

> I also have a Skype app that allows free calls. Widgets won't do
> that..


Not 51 hours before launch, but a few weeks after, Skype will run much
better on the iPhone than any other cell phone made.

> I can name quite a lot of java standalone phone apps that can do
> what stupid widgets can't do.


Then learn how to do it, Java isn't going to make you a single penny,
it's too old school, but Apple's WebKit could make you millions, IF you
put down your silly games and white castle hamburgers and move out of a
blue collar state.

> It's like asking ur desktop browser to suddenly work like Photoshop.
>
> Like i said, complain to apple why they are preventing you guys from
> access to so many free and useful apps and games by crippling the
> iphone.
>
> * tapping on my opera mini java browser while finishing up on lunch.


Great, and only getting about 20% of the functionality of what Safari
for the iPhone can do.

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Old 06-27-2007, 07:27 PM
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Oxford wrote:
> Hard to say quite yet, we are still 52 hours out, so while the iPhone
> will certainly have MORE apps than any cell phones, the degree of
> complexity in the first few months will probably pale in comparison for
> around a year, then watch out. It's the whole iPod has 72% share, iPhone
> has 72% share simply because it's a better product, and fully runs on
> 802.11, not some slow "cell" network.


dude, are you actually gonna get ANTHING right?

1. Your basic $49 phone actually can run more apps than the iphone
because it can run the thousands of java games and apps on the web
That's the power of having a standard. Apple decided to cripple the
iphone by denying u macnuts the right to use these resources

2. Many other high end phones have wi-fi, my dad's Nokia N95 for one,
which also has a GPS and a 5 megapixel camera. it also runs all java
j2me apps which means it againtrumps the iphone in terms of app
capability

Plus, did you see the hilarious fact that it takes 2 MINUTES for the
iphone browser to view websites???? My Opera Mini java browser spins
the same sites out in a few SECONDS.

Again apple denies you CHOICE becauae the iphone cannot run this java
app. I'm sure quite a lot of people would not want to spend ages just
trying to get to yahoo.com! :-)

* I think I'll pass by the library and look up 'Macnuts'.


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Old 06-27-2007, 07:28 PM
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Oxford wrote:
> Hard to say quite yet, we are still 52 hours out, so while the iPhone
> will certainly have MORE apps than any cell phones, the degree of
> complexity in the first few months will probably pale in comparison for
> around a year, then watch out. It's the whole iPod has 72% share, iPhone
> has 72% share simply because it's a better product, and fully runs on
> 802.11, not some slow "cell" network.


dude, are you actually gonna get ANTHING right?

1. Your basic $49 phone actually can run more apps than the iphone
because it can run the thousands of java games and apps on the web
That's the power of having a standard. Apple decided to cripple the
iphone by denying u macnuts the right to use these resources

2. Many other high end phones have wi-fi, my dad's Nokia N95 for one,
which also has a GPS and a 5 megapixel camera. it also runs all java
j2me apps which means it againtrumps the iphone in terms of app
capability

Plus, did you see the hilarious fact that it takes 2 MINUTES for the
iphone browser to view websites???? My Opera Mini java browser spins
the same sites out in a few SECONDS.

Again apple denies you CHOICE becauae the iphone cannot run this java
app. I'm sure quite a lot of people would not want to spend ages just
trying to get to yahoo.com! :-)

* I think I'll pass by the library and look up 'Macnuts'.


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Old 06-27-2007, 07:40 PM
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Oxford wrote:
>
> Then learn how to do it, Java isn't going to make you a single penny,


Since the mobile app business is a multi-billion dollar industry, how
exactly is this true? If you were at WCCD you'd know how disappointed
even the mac developers were whe n they heard there would be no sdk
for iphone. It's a SEVERELY crippled and expensive toy.

> it's too old school, but Apple's WebKit could make you millions, IF you
> put down your silly games and white castle hamburgers and move out of a
> blue collar state.


Uh, i'm a java server side guy. Java powers most of the largest
businesses on the planet including ebay, google. nasdaq, etc etc.
These are the guys with money and why Java is tops in popularity of
languages and in # of jobs.

> Great, and only getting about 20% of the functionality of what Safari
> for the iPhone can do.



Really? The reviewers don't think so..And opera mini will run flash
soon while safari will not.

Dude, give it up... ur obviously a non-tech guy and only a "fan" of
apple.

* geez..it's getting ready to rain here in NJ but i continue to post
on my FAST opera mini java browser.


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Old 06-27-2007, 09:05 PM
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:28:12 -0000, asjbiotek@gmail.com wrote:

>
>Oxford wrote:
>> Hard to say quite yet, we are still 52 hours out, so while the iPhone
>> will certainly have MORE apps than any cell phones, the degree of
>> complexity in the first few months will probably pale in comparison for
>> around a year, then watch out. It's the whole iPod has 72% share, iPhone
>> has 72% share simply because it's a better product, and fully runs on
>> 802.11, not some slow "cell" network.

>
>dude, are you actually gonna get ANTHING right?
>
>1. Your basic $49 phone actually can run more apps than the iphone
>because it can run the thousands of java games and apps on the web
>That's the power of having a standard. Apple decided to cripple the
>iphone by denying u macnuts the right to use these resources
>


No they dont want poorly written third part apps locking it up, the
cause of the Treo's demise.

>2. Many other high end phones have wi-fi, my dad's Nokia N95 for one,
>which also has a GPS and a 5 megapixel camera. it also runs all java
>j2me apps which means it againtrumps the iphone in terms of app
>capability


The iPhone automatically switches to WiFi, and there are myriad
directories on the web listed all the FREE locations for WiFi in
your town.

>
>Plus, did you see the hilarious fact that it takes 2 MINUTES for the
>iphone browser to view websites???? My Opera Mini java browser spins
>the same sites out in a few SECONDS.


Not with optimum EDGE or WiFi.

>
>Again apple denies you CHOICE becauae the iphone cannot run this java
>app. I'm sure quite a lot of people would not want to spend ages just
>trying to get to yahoo.com! :-)


Fine don;t play Reversi on an iPhone. I could care less.
My Motorola V600 always would lockup from one of your JAVA games.

>
>* I think I'll pass by the library and look up 'Macnuts'.


Too bad you have to reboot your PC twice a day, unlike a Mac.

Most public Librarys these days have free WiFi, as do places like
Burger King, Panera, Best Western, etc, and the WiFi often works a
block away too.


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Old 06-27-2007, 09:39 PM
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Oxford wrote:
> asjbiotek@gmail.com
> > Dude, i have several remote desktop java apps that allow me to log in
> > to my desktop and servers right now as if i'm right there. Widgets
> > won't do that.

>
> Yes, and Apple has Remote Desktop that puts your Java App to SHAME.
>
> http://www.apple.com/remotedesktop/
>


HELLOOOOO????? Is there anything in that head of yours but mcNUTS?

I tell you about java apps on my CELLPHONE that allow remote desktop
viewing ON MY CELLPHONE you give me a desktop software?????

HELLO?????

Your iphone widgets don't have this and you can't even work on
documents and spreadsheets on it! What kind of a CRIPPLED smartphone
is that? Most smartphones allow you to create and edit Microsoft word
docs, excel spreadsheets and powerpoint.

Iphone gives you - tiny widgets! ROTFLOL


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Old 06-27-2007, 09:47 PM
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On 2007-06-27 16:39:12 -0500, asjbiotek@gmail.com said:

>
> Oxford wrote:
>> asjbiotek@gmail.com
>>> Dude, i have several remote desktop java apps that allow me to log in
>>> to my desktop and servers right now as if i'm right there. Widgets
>>> won't do that.

>>
>> Yes, and Apple has Remote Desktop that puts your Java App to SHAME.
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/remotedesktop/

>
> HELLOOOOO????? Is there anything in that head of yours but mcNUTS?
>
> I tell you about java apps on my CELLPHONE that allow remote desktop
> viewing ON MY CELLPHONE you give me a desktop software?????


You're an idiot. Apple Remote Desktop uses the VNC protocol, and
everyone but you knows that you can connect to a VNC server with any
web browser.

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Old 06-27-2007, 10:07 PM
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Jolly Roger wrote:
> On
> You're an idiot. Apple Remote Desktop uses the VNC protocol, and
> everyone but you knows that you can connect to a VNC server with any
> web browser.
>
> --
> JR


Hey butthead, since your iphone cannot run java or flash clients, how
is it going to do this? HTML? ROTFLOL.....there is one or two ajax
clients, but they be muy buggy, very slow and feature-starved and i
doubt they'd run in that slow ass safari anyways.

Bwahahahhah!


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Old 06-27-2007, 10:30 PM
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asjbiotek@gmail.com wrote:

> Since the mobile app business is a multi-billion dollar industry,


well the "app" business is not "multi-billion" so started off on the
wrong track.

> how
> exactly is this true? If you were at WCCD you'd know how disappointed
> even the mac developers were whe n they heard there would be no sdk
> for iphone. It's a SEVERELY crippled and expensive toy.


what is WCCD? if you don't even know what the largest Unix app
conference is called, how in the hell are you going to know what is
going on in mobile phone development?

> > it's too old school, but Apple's WebKit could make you millions, IF you
> > put down your silly games and white castle hamburgers and move out of a
> > blue collar state.

>
> Uh, i'm a java server side guy. Java powers most of the largest
> businesses on the planet including ebay, google. nasdaq, etc etc.
> These are the guys with money and why Java is tops in popularity of
> languages and in # of jobs.


hate to break the news, but ebay, google, nasdaq, ect... don't "run" on
java. sure, sure there are some small aspects that do, but java is a 5%
story with these companies.

> > Great, and only getting about 20% of the functionality of what Safari
> > for the iPhone can do.

>
> Really? The reviewers don't think so..And opera mini will run flash
> soon while safari will not.


but the iPhone runs for 6-8 hours, what does your cell phone running
Opera mini run for? I'd rather have the FULL internet and FULL speed for
most of the day, than have a clunky kid internet for 3 hours and then I
have to turn it off.

> Dude, give it up... ur obviously a non-tech guy and only a "fan" of
> apple.
>
> * geez..it's getting ready to rain here in NJ but i continue to post
> on my FAST opera mini java browser.


Your primitive opera browser, the big kids will all use the iPhone.

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Old 06-27-2007, 10:31 PM
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asjbiotek@gmail.com wrote:

> > http://www.apple.com/remotedesktop/

>
> HELLOOOOO????? Is there anything in that head of yours but mcNUTS?
>
> I tell you about java apps on my CELLPHONE that allow remote desktop
> viewing ON MY CELLPHONE you give me a desktop software?????
>
> HELLO?????
>
> Your iphone widgets don't have this and you can't even work on
> documents and spreadsheets on it! What kind of a CRIPPLED smartphone
> is that? Most smartphones allow you to create and edit Microsoft word
> docs, excel spreadsheets and powerpoint.
>
> Iphone gives you - tiny widgets! ROTFLOL


ah, the iPhone runs desktop level software, it's based on OSX and i
think you like to forget that. Your cell phone runs on a "non-desktop"
os, so by default, it's weak.

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Old 06-27-2007, 10:46 PM
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none wrote:
> hate to break the news, but ebay, google, nasdaq, ect... don't "run" on
> java. sure, sure there are some small aspects that do, but java is a 5%
> story with these companies.
>


hate to break it to you, but you're an idiot. Google is Java and
python mostly in the backend ( a LOT of google's top tech guys are
from Sun, you know, the inventor of Java - I even regularly go to
google's NYC office for Java lectures), the nasdaq backend is mostly
Java and transitioning to real time java, and eBay actually has a Java
LOGO on the upper right hand side that says it's "powered by Java."

Please stop embarrasing urself you mcnut....

> Your primitive opera browser, the big kids will all use the iPhone.


Uh, ok. You go on with your delusions now. A phone that can't work on
office docs and presentations, cannot run thousands of apps and games
except for tiny little widgets, has a slow ass browser...uh
sure....iphone is for "big" kids, but i'm an adult and adults need
mire than expensive CRIPPLED toys.


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Old 06-27-2007, 11:10 PM
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On 2007-06-27 17:07:25 -0500, asjbiotek@gmail.com said:

>
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On
>> You're an idiot. Apple Remote Desktop uses the VNC protocol, and
>> everyone but you knows that you can connect to a VNC server with any
>> web browser.

>
> Hey butthead, since your iphone cannot run java or flash clients, how
> is it going to do this? HTML? ROTFLOL.....there is one or two ajax
> clients, but they be muy buggy, very slow and feature-starved and i
> doubt they'd run in that slow ass safari anyways.


Hey idiot - it runs just fine! You don't know what you are talking
about, dork.

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Old 06-28-2007, 12:36 AM
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In article <1182971095.009683.202190@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups .com>,
asjbiotek@gmail.com wrote:

> Like i said, complain to apple why they are preventing you guys from
> access to so many free and useful apps and games by crippling the
> iphone.
>
> * tapping on my opera mini java browser while finishing up on lunch


Opera Mini crashes my Treo. LOL
Can't wait for things that work. (Like my Mac does)

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Old 06-28-2007, 12:39 AM
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On Jun 27, 7:10 pm, Jolly Roger <jollyro...@R.E.M.O.V.E.pobox.com>
wrote:
> On 2007-06-27 17:07:25 -0500, asjbio...@gmail.com said:
>
>
>
> > Jolly Roger wrote:
> >> On
> >> You're an idiot. Apple Remote Desktop uses the VNC protocol, and
> >> everyone but you knows that you can connect to a VNC server with any
> >> web browser.

>
> > Hey butthead, since your iphone cannot run java or flash clients, how
> > is it going to do this? HTML? ROTFLOL.....there is one or two ajax
> > clients, but they be muy buggy, very slow and feature-starved and i
> > doubt they'd run in that slow ass safari anyways.

>
> Hey idiot - it runs just fine! You don't know what you are talking
> about, dork.
>
> --
> JR


LOL...yeah, show us your iphone that's running a remote desktop client
on its browser....

Next time, before you jump in, make sure you know what you're talking
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:48 AM
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On Jun 27, 6:31 pm, none <a...@b.com> wrote:
> ah, the iPhone runs desktop level software, it's based on OSX and i
> think you like to forget that.


Mr. None Sheep:

please read first and educate yourself before spewing garbage like
this. desktop level software? WTF is that? It's not the full OS X
dude, it's a stripped version, just like...ummm...Windows Mobile?
Linux Mobile?

Btw, good find...they shoulda used opera mini...that NY times would
have been there in like 5 seconds ;-)

http://tech.msn.com/products/article...5061246&page=1

Data that crawls
When AT&T's EDGE network debuted in 2005, it seemed zippy indeed,
delivering data at up to 100 kilobits per second. But that was then.
Today, with true 3G technologies delivering data at up to several
hundred kbps, Apple's decision not to support AT&T's UMTS-HSDPA 3G
network seems short-sighted--especially given the iPhone's investment
in cool new Web browsing technology that doesn't suffer from the
compromises of a mobile browser. In our limited hands-on tests a few
months ago, downloading the New York Times' front page via EDGE took
quite a few seconds. AT&T has tacitly acknowledged this potential
problem by announcing upgrades to its EDGE network in anticipation of
the iPhone launch. And of course, the iPhone will support Wi-Fi, which
will make Web page downloads much more feasible if you're in range of
a hotspot.

Limited third-party apps
Lots of cell phone power users get more value out of the applications
they've loaded on their handsets themselves than the often lame or
expensive offerings from their carriers. When the iPhone was first
announced, third-party apps seemed shut out entirely, a move that
prompted one online petition of protest. Now Apple says that
developers can create iPhone apps that run in Safari. Only two
problems with that: First, those apps may be fairly poky given the
iPhone's slower EDGE network connection. Second, many developers seem
to hate writing for Safari. As PC World forums member dazeddan said,
"As a developer, we have more problems designing around Safari than
any other platform. I wish it would just go away."




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Old 06-28-2007, 12:50 AM
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At 27 Jun 2007 21:05:14 +0000 karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote:

> No they dont want poorly written third part apps locking it up, the
> cause of the Treo's demise.


I wasn't aware that the Treo was, as they say in the Dead Parrot sketch,
"demised..."

If the OS is really good ol' full-desktop OSX as everyone wants to believe,

shouldn't it be able to handle an errant app all by itself?

Or, perhaps, is it possible that stability is simply the "cover story"
for the real reason: nobody is allowed to make money off this thing but
Apple!



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Old 06-28-2007, 01:21 AM
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In article <8uj583tar2tlsbhb7ecvqgktgun2uvlqul@4ax.com>,
karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:28:12 -0000, asjbiotek@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> >Oxford wrote:
> >> Hard to say quite yet, we are still 52 hours out, so while the iPhone
> >> will certainly have MORE apps than any cell phones, the degree of
> >> complexity in the first few months will probably pale in comparison for
> >> around a year, then watch out. It's the whole iPod has 72% share, iPhone
> >> has 72% share simply because it's a better product, and fully runs on
> >> 802.11, not some slow "cell" network.

> >
> >dude, are you actually gonna get ANTHING right?
> >
> >1. Your basic $49 phone actually can run more apps than the iphone
> >because it can run the thousands of java games and apps on the web
> >That's the power of having a standard. Apple decided to cripple the
> >iphone by denying u macnuts the right to use these resources
> >

>
> No they dont want poorly written third part apps locking it up, the
> cause of the Treo's demise.


And this is the major problem I have with my Treo- incompatibility of
the third party apps. Stuff crashes. Opera Mini crashes.
I want things that work and work well together. I have better use for my
time than hard resets.

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Old 06-28-2007, 01:37 AM
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On 2007-06-27 19:39:04 -0500, asjbiotek@gmail.com said:

> On Jun 27, 7:10 pm, Jolly Roger <jollyro...@R.E.M.O.V.E.pobox.com>
> wrote:
>> On 2007-06-27 17:07:25 -0500, asjbio...@gmail.com said:
>>
>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On
>>>> You're an idiot. Apple Remote Desktop uses the VNC protocol, and
>>>> everyone but you knows that you can connect to a VNC server with any
>>>> web browser.

>>
>>> Hey butthead, since your iphone cannot run java or flash clients, how
>>> is it going to do this? HTML? ROTFLOL.....there is one or two ajax
>>> clients, but they be muy buggy, very slow and feature-starved and i
>>> doubt they'd run in that slow ass safari anyways.

>>
>> Hey idiot - it runs just fine! You don't know what you are talking
>> about, dork.

>
> LOL...yeah, show us your iphone that's running a remote desktop client
> on its browser....
>
> Next time, before you jump in, make sure you know what you're talking
> about ;-)


Nice try, dummy. But since you're the one complaining, you have the
burden of proof. Prove to the rest of us the iPhone can't do it, or
shut up. : )

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Old 06-28-2007, 01:44 AM
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On Jun 27, 9:37 pm, Jolly Roger <jollyro...@R.E.M.O.V.E.pobox.com>
wrote:
> Nice try, dummy. But since you're the one complaining, you have the
> burden of proof. Prove to the rest of us the iPhone can't do it, or
> shut up. : )



Nice try?? LOL.....

Since remote desktops rely on thin clients to actually render remote
views (ever try doing this using html? LOL), and since the iphone does
not run either Java or Flash (THANK YOU stevie boy!), both of which
are needed (unless you use a thick client) to actually use remotes,
then it's pretty darn unlikely a bloated slow browser like safari will
be running it right?

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about other than
clicking on that marketing link and trying to sponge off it.

You sheep sure do bleat a lot....






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Old 06-28-2007, 01:54 AM
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On Jun 27, 3:02 pm, Oxford <colalovesm...@mac.com> wrote:
> yes, and Java / Google Earth works quite well on OSX, the same OS inside
> the iPhone... hum... could there be a connection???????


I missed this but this is quite hilarious...

DUDE, you DO know that the OS in the iphone is NOT the full OS X,
right?? Right??? RIGHT????

You weren't totally fooled by the Apple market droids, right?

It's like the stripped down version of Windows in Windows Mobile, or
the stripped down Linux in Linux Mobiles....






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Old 06-28-2007, 02:33 AM
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In article <1182995667.937709.317850@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups. com>,
asjbiotek@gmail.com wrote:

> On Jun 27, 3:02 pm, Oxford <colalovesm...@mac.com> wrote:
> > yes, and Java / Google Earth works quite well on OSX, the same OS inside
> > the iPhone... hum... could there be a connection???????

>
> I missed this but this is quite hilarious...
>
> DUDE, you DO know that the OS in the iphone is NOT the full OS X,
> right?? Right??? RIGHT????
>
> You weren't totally fooled by the Apple market droids, right?
>
> It's like the stripped down version of Windows in Windows Mobile, or
> the stripped down Linux in Linux Mobiles....


You don't own a mac, do you. LOL

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Old 06-28-2007, 04:05 AM
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> Most public Librarys these days have free WiFi, as do places like
> Burger King, Panera, Best Western, etc, and the WiFi often works a
> block away too.


Ha! Just the sort of target audience than can actually afford the
overpriced/overhyped phone... NOT.


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