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Old 11-12-2006, 05:46 PM
Drew
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Default MediaNet service with data card?

As of tomorrow, I'll have been on Cingular for 2 years now. I've had
the MediaNet packages before, on and off, and right now I don't have
it.

About a year back I wanted to use my Motorola Razr and connect it to my
notebook for Internet browsing. I called up Cingular, and told them
what I wanted to do. They signed me up for the MediaNet Unlimited
package, as well as added a "Data Connect ISP" feature to my account
that wasn't costing anything, but I was told it had to be enabled. I
had this service for about 3 months, and used it when traveling. In
full signal areas it worked well, with an ocassional drop of signal,
losing my access.

The only disadvantage to using this method was that if someone was
calling me while I was connected to the Internet, the call would come
through, but after a few seconds of answering the phone my Internet
connection was dropped. This turned out to be pretty inconvenient.
Recently, I've been thinking about a different theory. How about adding
an additional line to my account, and let them give me the cheap free
phone that comes with it. As soon as I get home, take the SIM card out
of the phone they gave me, and put it in a data card and connect that
way. This way, it's not using my phone to connect, but instead the
additional line of service. This, of course, is providing that I have
the MediaNet Unlimited package added again.

I know there has been controversy about what package you really need to
connect to the Internet with Cingular. To my understanding, the speeds
with MediaNet and "Data Connect" are the same, provided that I'm on a
GPRS network. When I had the MediaNet Unlimited package last year and
was using it connected to my computer, on average I transferred around
50-100MB a month and nothing was ever said to me.

Any ideas? Thanks.

-Drew


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Old 11-12-2006, 11:44 PM
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On 12 Nov 2006 09:46:56 -0800, "Drew" <drew.yates@gmail.com> wrote in
<1163353616.360224.109450@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups .com>:

>As of tomorrow, I'll have been on Cingular for 2 years now. I've had
>the MediaNet packages before, on and off, and right now I don't have
>it.
>
>About a year back I wanted to use my Motorola Razr and connect it to my
>notebook for Internet browsing. I called up Cingular, and told them
>what I wanted to do. They signed me up for the MediaNet Unlimited
>package, as well as added a "Data Connect ISP" feature to my account
>that wasn't costing anything, but I was told it had to be enabled. I


It didn't, but was nice to have.

>had this service for about 3 months, and used it when traveling. In
>full signal areas it worked well, with an ocassional drop of signal,
>losing my access.
>
>The only disadvantage to using this method was that if someone was
>calling me while I was connected to the Internet, the call would come
>through, but after a few seconds of answering the phone my Internet
>connection was dropped. This turned out to be pretty inconvenient.


That's strictly a function of the device, meaning that your device (like
virtually all actual devices) didn't support both at the same time.

>Recently, I've been thinking about a different theory. How about adding
>an additional line to my account, and let them give me the cheap free
>phone that comes with it. As soon as I get home, take the SIM card out
>of the phone they gave me, and put it in a data card and connect that
>way. This way, it's not using my phone to connect, but instead the
>additional line of service. This, of course, is providing that I have
>the MediaNet Unlimited package added again.


Sure.

>I know there has been controversy about what package you really need to
>connect to the Internet with Cingular.


There's no real controversy: You *can* "tether" with $20/mo MEdia Net
unlimited, but you *may* not according to the terms of service.

>To my understanding, the speeds
>with MediaNet and "Data Connect" are the same, provided that I'm on a
>GPRS network.


Raw speed is the same, but Data Connect has Data Acceleration (data
compression) which can significantly improve performance, whereas MEdia
Net doesn't.

>When I had the MediaNet Unlimited package last year and
>was using it connected to my computer, on average I transferred around
>50-100MB a month and nothing was ever said to me.


I transfer much more than that, and still likewise.

>Any ideas? Thanks.


The choice is yours.

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Old 11-13-2006, 06:42 PM
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John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On 12 Nov 2006 09:46:56 -0800, "Drew" <drew.yates@gmail.com> wrote in
> >The only disadvantage to using this method was that if someone was
> >calling me while I was connected to the Internet, the call would come
> >through, but after a few seconds of answering the phone my Internet
> >connection was dropped. This turned out to be pretty inconvenient.


> That's strictly a function of the device, meaning that your device (like
> virtually all actual devices) didn't support both at the same time.


With my V551, I took a phone call without dropping my data connection last
week. I was surprised to hear the phone ring, and I ignored it the first
time, but I answered it when the same person called back a minute or two
later. I was only on the call for a few seconds, and my data link was
still alive, including a telnet session to a Unix box, which is normally
pretty sensitive about network interruptions. I had typed a little during
the call, and those keystrokes were processed.

I tried that again this morning, and it didn't work. I didn't hear the
incoming call. I opened the flip, which might normally connect the call,
and it did not. Pressing the green answer button brought up the recent
calls, and had no effect on the incoming call or the data.

Is it possible that this feature depends on the number of slots available?
I was in roughly the same location, but I was indoors today in a marginal
signal area, whereas I was outdoors last week.

> >Recently, I've been thinking about a different theory. How about adding
> >an additional line to my account, and let them give me the cheap free
> >phone that comes with it.


Or tether the phone, instead of buying a card. Not as fast, but free.
The v557 is probably free now, and has either USB or Bluetooth tethering.
You would be paying for the voice line and the MEdiaNet every month.

If you sign up for Laptop Connect at $59, you might get a free card.
If you don't use much data, you could get a cheaper plan, with 20 or 50MB
of data. I don't see any free cards on the Cingular web site right now,
but I don't like the new layout, so I didn't look very long.

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Old 11-13-2006, 07:53 PM
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:42:19 +0000 (UTC), dold@XReXXMedia.usenet.us.com
wrote in <ejaeab$pj8$2@blue.rahul.net>:

>John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> On 12 Nov 2006 09:46:56 -0800, "Drew" <drew.yates@gmail.com> wrote in
>> >The only disadvantage to using this method was that if someone was
>> >calling me while I was connected to the Internet, the call would come
>> >through, but after a few seconds of answering the phone my Internet
>> >connection was dropped. This turned out to be pretty inconvenient.

>
>> That's strictly a function of the device, meaning that your device (like
>> virtually all actual devices) didn't support both at the same time.


CORRECTION: My comment actually pertained to *using* both service at
the same time, not *maintaining* the data connection. GPRS(EGPRS)
capability classes (from Wikipedia):

Class A

Can be connected to GPRS service and GSM service (voice, SMS), using
both at the same time. Such devices are known to be available today. See
List of Class A GPRS Phones at
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Class_A_GPRS_Phones>.

A true Class A device may be required to transmit on two different
frequencies at the same time, and thus will need two radios. To get
around this expensive requirement, a GPRS mobile may implement the dual
transfer mode (DTM) feature. A DTM-capable mobile may use simultaneous
voice and packet data, with the network coordinating to ensure that it
is not required to transmit on two different frequencies at the same
time. Such mobiles are considered to be pseudo Class A. ...

Class B

Can be connected to GPRS service and GSM service (voice, SMS), but using
only one or the other at a given time. During GSM service (voice call or
SMS), GPRS service is suspended, and then resumed automatically after
the GSM service (voice call or SMS) has concluded. Most GPRS mobile
devices are Class B.

Class C

Are connected to either GPRS service or GSM service (voice, SMS). Must
be switched manually between one or the other service.

>With my V551, I took a phone call without dropping my data connection last
>week. I was surprised to hear the phone ring, and I ignored it the first
>time, but I answered it when the same person called back a minute or two
>later. I was only on the call for a few seconds, and my data link was
>still alive, including a telnet session to a Unix box, which is normally
>pretty sensitive about network interruptions. I had typed a little during
>the call, and those keystrokes were processed.


The V551 is Class B, and that's how Class B should work. (I do this
frequently.)

>I tried that again this morning, and it didn't work. I didn't hear the
>incoming call. I opened the flip, which might normally connect the call,
>and it did not. Pressing the green answer button brought up the recent
>calls, and had no effect on the incoming call or the data.


Something failed. Unless configured not to, incoming voice calls should
ring and be answerable with a Class B device.

>Is it possible that this feature depends on the number of slots available?
>I was in roughly the same location, but I was indoors today in a marginal
>signal area, whereas I was outdoors last week.


Possible, but probably a network error/problem.

>> >Recently, I've been thinking about a different theory. How about adding
>> >an additional line to my account, and let them give me the cheap free
>> >phone that comes with it.

>
>Or tether the phone, instead of buying a card. Not as fast, but free.
>The v557 is probably free now, and has either USB or Bluetooth tethering.
>You would be paying for the voice line and the MEdiaNet every month.


EGPRS(EDGE) Class 10 phones are now available (e.g., Motorola V360) that
should be as fast as Class 10 PC cards.

>If you sign up for Laptop Connect at $59, you might get a free card.
>If you don't use much data, you could get a cheaper plan, with 20 or 50MB
>of data. I don't see any free cards on the Cingular web site right now,
>but I don't like the new layout, so I didn't look very long.


Check Amazon.com for deals, which are often better than Cingular.com

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Old 11-13-2006, 11:10 PM
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John Navas wrote:
> On 12 Nov 2006 09:46:56 -0800, "Drew" <@gmail.com> wrote in
> <1163353616.360224.109450@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups .com>:


> >When I had the MediaNet Unlimited package last year and
> >was using it connected to my computer, on average I transferred around
> >50-100MB a month and nothing was ever said to me.

>
> I transfer much more than that, and still likewise.


So you're doing the same thing I used to. What are your download and
upload speeds like under normal conditions?


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Old 11-13-2006, 11:26 PM
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On 13 Nov 2006 15:10:54 -0800, "Drew" <drew.yates@gmail.com> wrote in
<1163459454.638226.198000@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups .com>:

>John Navas wrote:
>> On 12 Nov 2006 09:46:56 -0800, "Drew" <@gmail.com> wrote in
>> <1163353616.360224.109450@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups .com>:

>
>> >When I had the MediaNet Unlimited package last year and
>> >was using it connected to my computer, on average I transferred around
>> >50-100MB a month and nothing was ever said to me.

>>
>> I transfer much more than that, and still likewise.

>
>So you're doing the same thing I used to. What are your download and
>upload speeds like under normal conditions?


<http://groups.google.com/group/ba.internet/msg/8775f94f9604a9e2>

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Old 11-14-2006, 02:05 AM
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> >So you're doing the same thing I used to. What are your download and
> >upload speeds like under normal conditions?

>
> <http://groups.google.com/group/ba.internet/msg/8775f94f9604a9e2>
>
> --
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> John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>


So apparently you have an extra line of service with a data card?

I found another posting about using a 3G data card with the Data
Connect or Laptop Connect feature, I guess this is the "data
acceleration" you're talking about, considering that the poster and
repliers said they were getting 400-800Kbps.

It seems like I remember not being able to leave the connection on for
days at a time, it would timeout on me. I tried to keep activity on the
network buy running IRC over night, but it still timed out every once
in a while. This is an area where I gurantee you no one does this type
of connecting, so I don't think it's the slots that would be full.

Also, when I left my Razr plugged into my notebook constantly, it
seemed like it wore my battery out a little. Considering that my
notebook was always charging my phone, but it only showed one blinking
battery indicator (the brown one) and never reached full charge while
connected to GPRS. So is it not good to keep the phone connected to to
my notebook for extended periods of time?


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Old 11-14-2006, 02:15 AM
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On 13 Nov 2006 18:05:15 -0800, "Drew" <drew.yates@gmail.com> wrote in
<1163469915.116605.308610@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups .com>:

>> >So you're doing the same thing I used to. What are your download and
>> >upload speeds like under normal conditions?

>>
>> <http://groups.google.com/group/ba.internet/msg/8775f94f9604a9e2>


>So apparently you have an extra line of service with a data card?


No -- I just move my one SIM back and forth between my handset and my
data card.

>I found another posting about using a 3G data card with the Data
>Connect or Laptop Connect feature, I guess this is the "data
>acceleration" you're talking about, considering that the poster and
>repliers said they were getting 400-800Kbps.


No -- that's faster 3G data. "Data Acceleration" is data compression --
see more info in wiki below.

>It seems like I remember not being able to leave the connection on for
>days at a time, it would timeout on me. I tried to keep activity on the
>network buy running IRC over night, but it still timed out every once
>in a while. This is an area where I gurantee you no one does this type
>of connecting, so I don't think it's the slots that would be full.


My EGPRS(EDGE) connection stays up indefinitely.

>Also, when I left my Razr plugged into my notebook constantly, it
>seemed like it wore my battery out a little. Considering that my
>notebook was always charging my phone, but it only showed one blinking
>battery indicator (the brown one) and never reached full charge while
>connected to GPRS. So is it not good to keep the phone connected to to
>my notebook for extended periods of time?


I'm guessing your handset wasn't getting enough power to keep it
charged. Try a fast wall charger, which should keep it charged
indefinitely, as mine does my V551.

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Old 11-14-2006, 10:44 PM
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> No -- I just move my one SIM back and forth between my handset and my
> data card.


Disadvantage of that for me is that I might possibly miss a call or two
during those times. Where at least when I have the phone plugged in it
will let me see the call and answer it. Not sure if the cards get
better signal and speeds than the phone or not myself.
>
> >It seems like I remember not being able to leave the connection on for
> >days at a time, it would timeout on me. I tried to keep activity on the
> >network buy running IRC over night, but it still timed out every once
> >in a while. This is an area where I gurantee you no one does this type
> >of connecting, so I don't think it's the slots that would be full.

>
> My EGPRS(EDGE) connection stays up indefinitely.


Probably a power issue on my end with the phone not being able to get
enough power, and possibly random signal loss.

>
> >Also, when I left my Razr plugged into my notebook constantly, it
> >seemed like it wore my battery out a little. Considering that my
> >notebook was always charging my phone, but it only showed one blinking
> >battery indicator (the brown one) and never reached full charge while
> >connected to GPRS. So is it not good to keep the phone connected to to
> >my notebook for extended periods of time?

>
> I'm guessing your handset wasn't getting enough power to keep it
> charged. Try a fast wall charger, which should keep it charged
> indefinitely, as mine does my V551.


I always had my phone completely charged before plugging it into the
notebook. But my cable just connects from the phone to the notebook.
I'm not sure if you have something different, but to my awareness they
don't have a charger + data cable solution. Come to think of it, it
would be nice.


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Old 11-14-2006, 11:00 PM
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On 14 Nov 2006 14:44:41 -0800, "Drew" <drew.yates@gmail.com> wrote in
<1163544280.948764.43730@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups. com>:

>> No -- I just move my one SIM back and forth between my handset and my
>> data card.

>
>Disadvantage of that for me is that I might possibly miss a call or two
>during those times. Where at least when I have the phone plugged in it
>will let me see the call and answer it.


I can see an incoming call when I use my PC Card, but not answer it.

>Not sure if the cards get
>better signal and speeds than the phone or not myself.


They do.

>> I'm guessing your handset wasn't getting enough power to keep it
>> charged. Try a fast wall charger, which should keep it charged
>> indefinitely, as mine does my V551.

>
>I always had my phone completely charged before plugging it into the
>notebook. But my cable just connects from the phone to the notebook.
>I'm not sure if you have something different, but to my awareness they
>don't have a charger + data cable solution. Come to think of it, it
>would be nice.


I use Bluetooth for tethering, which lets me keep my handset on my fast
charger.

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Old 11-14-2006, 11:35 PM
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> I use Bluetooth for tethering, which lets me keep my handset on my fast
> charger.


That's a good idea, I'm glad you mentioned it. Considering on one side
of the room that I'm in I get a better signal than the other, it was
frustrating at the time to maintain a 3-4 bar signal at times. How far
can I get away from the phone without losing signal quality, typically?

The charger that I use is the wall charger that came with the phone, so
I'm unsure if that's the "fast" charger or not.


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Old 11-14-2006, 11:44 PM
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On 14 Nov 2006 15:35:11 -0800, "Drew" <drew.yates@gmail.com> wrote in
<1163547311.698561.126540@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups .com>:

>> I use Bluetooth for tethering, which lets me keep my handset on my fast
>> charger.

>
>That's a good idea, I'm glad you mentioned it. Considering on one side
>of the room that I'm in I get a better signal than the other, it was
>frustrating at the time to maintain a 3-4 bar signal at times. How far
>can I get away from the phone without losing signal quality, typically?


Typically 20 feet, or even as far as 30 feet, depending on the amount of
RF interference.

>The charger that I use is the wall charger that came with the phone, so
>I'm unsure if that's the "fast" charger or not.


It's almost certainly slow, and not able to do much more than keep up
with an active phone, if that. I strongly recommend a fast charger --
see my periodic posts here.

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Old 11-15-2006, 12:22 AM
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> It's almost certainly slow, and not able to do much more than keep up
> with an active phone, if that. I strongly recommend a fast charger --
> see my periodic posts here.


Also, when I sometime down the line add the MEdia Net Unlimited service
back to my account, is that the only thing that I will have to get them
to do? Last time I did this I spent 4 hours on the phone with them
getting the correct "provisions" set for me to actually connect. With
the MEdia Net Unlimited package alone added, I wasn't provisioned
properly to access the Internet from my notebook. I was connected to
Data Connect Support which did it after a couple of different
representatives I passed through. I just wonder what the whole no
charge "Data Connect ISP" feature has to do with it.


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Old 11-15-2006, 12:29 AM
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On 14 Nov 2006 16:22:54 -0800, "Drew" <drew.yates@gmail.com> wrote in
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>Also, when I sometime down the line add the MEdia Net Unlimited service
>back to my account, is that the only thing that I will have to get them
>to do? Last time I did this I spent 4 hours on the phone with them
>getting the correct "provisions" set for me to actually connect.


That's all you should need to do for your *phone*, which is all that
MEdia Net supports. When your account is provisioned, MEdia Net
settings should be "pushed" to your phone. All you should need to do is
power cycle your phone to re-register with the network. MEdia Net
should then work on your phone.

>With
>the MEdia Net Unlimited package alone added, I wasn't provisioned
>properly to access the Internet from my notebook.


Of course not -- MEdia Net isn't intended for computer tethering -- so
you're (normally) on your own to get it working. What you need to do to
get tethering working is covered in the FAQ below.

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Old 11-15-2006, 01:29 AM
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> >With
> >the MEdia Net Unlimited package alone added, I wasn't provisioned
> >properly to access the Internet from my notebook.

>
> Of course not -- MEdia Net isn't intended for computer tethering -- so
> you're (normally) on your own to get it working. What you need to do to
> get tethering working is covered in the FAQ below.


I know have a good understanding after reading the FAQ, and have
bookmarked the instructions on how to do the tethering myself. I'm
going to test this out this weekend, hopefully if I have the time.

Since you are experienced with data cards as well, which would you
recommend? I was used to seeing the Sony cards on Cingular's website,
but now they only offer a Serria card.


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Old 11-15-2006, 05:19 AM
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On 14 Nov 2006 17:29:42 -0800, "Drew" <drew.yates@gmail.com> wrote in
<1163554182.705624.218030@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups. com>:

>> >With
>> >the MEdia Net Unlimited package alone added, I wasn't provisioned
>> >properly to access the Internet from my notebook.

>>
>> Of course not -- MEdia Net isn't intended for computer tethering -- so
>> you're (normally) on your own to get it working. What you need to do to
>> get tethering working is covered in the FAQ below.

>
>I know have a good understanding after reading the FAQ, and have
>bookmarked the instructions on how to do the tethering myself. I'm
>going to test this out this weekend, hopefully if I have the time.
>
>Since you are experienced with data cards as well, which would you
>recommend? I was used to seeing the Sony cards on Cingular's website,
>but now they only offer a Serria card.


My personal favorites for EGPRS(EDGE) are Sony Ericsson GC-8x series
cards. My own card is a GC-82 (EGPRS Class 10), which I purchased on
eBay for cheap (about $50 with no commitment), used with the Sony
Ericsson Wireless Manager.

The Sierra 775 is EGPRS Class 12, the same speed on downlink, but faster
on uplink. If uploading is important to you, then that would probably
be your best choice. It also has Voice Mode; the GC-8x series doesn't.
Also available on eBay.

The Sierra 860 supports UMTS/HSDPA (in addition to EGPRS), and thus is
much faster in 3G service areas *if* used with a "3G" SIM, but only
EGPRS Class 10. Likewise available on eBay

Purchasing from Cingular can be a bad idea because of the extension of
contract term, and because Cingular may insist that you go with the much
more expensive Laptop Connect data package.

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Old 11-15-2006, 08:09 PM
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Drew <drew.yates@gmail.com> wrote:
> John Navas said:
> > I use Bluetooth for tethering, which lets me keep my handset on my fast
> > charger.


> That's a good idea, I'm glad you mentioned it. Considering on one side
> of the room that I'm in I get a better signal than the other, it was


I set the phone on a windowsill about 15 feet away from the PC at home.
One less cord, as well.

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Old 11-16-2006, 09:54 PM
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John Navas wrote:
> On 14 Nov 2006 17:29:42 -0800, "Drew" <drew.yates@gmail.com> wrote in
> <1163554182.705624.218030@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups. com>:
>
> >> >With
> >> >the MEdia Net Unlimited package alone added, I wasn't provisioned
> >> >properly to access the Internet from my notebook.
> >>
> >> Of course not -- MEdia Net isn't intended for computer tethering -- so
> >> you're (normally) on your own to get it working. What you need to do to
> >> get tethering working is covered in the FAQ below.

> >
> >I know have a good understanding after reading the FAQ, and have
> >bookmarked the instructions on how to do the tethering myself. I'm
> >going to test this out this weekend, hopefully if I have the time.
> >
> >Since you are experienced with data cards as well, which would you
> >recommend? I was used to seeing the Sony cards on Cingular's website,
> >but now they only offer a Serria card.

>
> My personal favorites for EGPRS(EDGE) are Sony Ericsson GC-8x series
> cards. My own card is a GC-82 (EGPRS Class 10), which I purchased on
> eBay for cheap (about $50 with no commitment), used with the Sony
> Ericsson Wireless Manager.
>
> The Sierra 775 is EGPRS Class 12, the same speed on downlink, but faster
> on uplink. If uploading is important to you, then that would probably
> be your best choice. It also has Voice Mode; the GC-8x series doesn't.
> Also available on eBay.
>
> The Sierra 860 supports UMTS/HSDPA (in addition to EGPRS), and thus is
> much faster in 3G service areas *if* used with a "3G" SIM, but only
> EGPRS Class 10. Likewise available on eBay
>
> Purchasing from Cingular can be a bad idea because of the extension of
> contract term, and because Cingular may insist that you go with the much
> more expensive Laptop Connect data package.
>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
> John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>


Right now I'm on the connection via USB to my phone. I updated to the
latest version of Communications Manager, and plugged my phone in.
Since I have absolutely no data package right now, in fact, I actually
had them remove "pay per use" from my account so I would have no data
access at all, I'm online right now! I guess it's because that Data
Connect ISP no charge feature is still on there. Only thing I've done
so far is check my e-mail and reply to this thread, and I've already
transferred 1MB, so I might need to get off until I know what's really
going on. This makes me think I may not have to call up Cingular and
add the MEdia Net Unlimited package. But who knows, it may be billing
me as "pay per use" right now, even though I can't access the Internet
from my phone itself. This is odd...

-Drew


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Old 11-16-2006, 11:10 PM
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At 16 Nov 2006 13:54:36 -0800 Drew wrote:

> Right now I'm on the connection via USB to my phone. I updated to the
> latest version of Communications Manager, and plugged my phone in.
> Since I have absolutely no data package right now, in fact, I actually
> had them remove "pay per use" from my account so I would have no data
> access at all, I'm online right now! I guess it's because that Data
> Connect ISP no charge feature is still on there.


How are you connecting? I may be wrong (I haven't been a Cingular
customer in over 3 years, but John Navas would know, I'm sure), "data
connect ISP" is a feature to allow you to connect to your own dial-up
ISP via dial-up (at 9.6kbps).

I suspect that adding the Data Connect ISP feature to your account has
somehow overridden or removed the "no pay per use" block on your account.



> Only thing I've done
> so far is check my e-mail and reply to this thread, and I've already
> transferred 1MB, so I might need to get off until I know what's really
> going on.


You'd better- that's $10 so far at pay per use rates!

> This makes me think I may not have to call up Cingular and
> add the MEdia Net Unlimited package. But who knows, it may be billing
> me as "pay per use" right now,


I suspect it is, but you may be able to get Cingular to "backdate" your
MEdia plan to avoid those charges if you hurry.

> even though I can't access the Internet
> from my phone itself. This is odd...


It might not be that odd -your phone might have the wrong access point
(wap.cingular.com instead of isp.cingular.com, or vice versa) which in
GPRS-land is like dialing the wrong phone number to a dial-up ISP. If
your PC software settings are correct, but your phone settings aren't,
it's no real mystery why one works and the other doesn't!

Good luck!

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Old 11-17-2006, 12:22 AM
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> How are you connecting? I may be wrong (I haven't been a Cingular
> customer in over 3 years, but John Navas would know, I'm sure), "data
> connect ISP" is a feature to allow you to connect to your own dial-up
> ISP via dial-up (at 9.6kbps).


Right now my Razr says "GPRS Active" and the transfer icon is blinking,
showing activity. This was what happened last year when I actually had
the MEdia Net Unlimited package. I'm not sure why the Data Connect ISP
setting is on my account, but I remember is was a big hassle last year
that I didn't have it, which wasn't letting me connect to the Internet
with the MEdia Net Unlimited package. Evidently it provides some sort
of provisioning.



> I suspect that adding the Data Connect ISP feature to your account has
> somehow overridden or removed the "no pay per use" block on your account.


I hope they will backdate once I get the plan, sometime tonight I
guess.



> > even though I can't access the Internet
> > from my phone itself. This is odd...

>
> It might not be that odd -your phone might have the wrong access point
> (wap.cingular.com instead of isp.cingular.com, or vice versa) which in
> GPRS-land is like dialing the wrong phone number to a dial-up ISP. If
> your PC software settings are correct, but your phone settings aren't,
> it's no real mystery why one works and the other doesn't!


Right now I'm picking up an IP address that's in Bedminster, New Jersey
that I used to get when I had service last year. So I suspect I'm
getting on their network like I'm supposed to, but not having the
Unlimited package. So, I may be in trouble. I know the phone is set to
wap.cingular, I'm not sure what the computer is set to. Cingular
Communications Manager automatically set up the connection, as I was
just testing it to see if it would actually let me connect, so I didn't
try John's tutorial to being with. However, the connection it made in
Network Connections is entitled "GSM", and it won't let me see the
username or password information that it's using, it just tries to dial
the connection if I attempt to find out, even if the phone is unplugged
from the computer.


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Old 11-17-2006, 01:29 AM
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Well, I called Cingular, and got this guy that really didn't know what
he was doing. I still have my Data Connect ISP feature on my account
which is free, and I said I wanted to be signed up for the $19.99 MEdia
Net Unlimited feature. He said he did that, and I check my account
online, and now I have these new features:

MEDIA MAX 1 MO UNL $19.99
MEDIA MAX UNL MSGS $0.00
MEDIA MAX UNL MNET $0.00
DATA CONNECT ISP $0.00

Wow, SWEET! Gotta love getting the people that don't know what they're
doing. I was on the 200 text messages plan, and he signed me up for the
really old MEdia Max plan that no longer exists that included unlimited
MEdia Net and Unlimited text messages for $19.99

I love Cingular.


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Old 11-18-2006, 03:13 AM
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PMJI

I have a 2125 and have been unable to connect to the Cingular network.
Believe me I have read all the posts including your excellent one on
WiKipedia. Still can't get it to work. I get the 633 error every time.

I went into the Cingular store in Las Vegas today and was helped by a
friendly Cingular employee. He wanted to sell me a card and told me
"tethering" wasn't supported.

I WILL GET THIS TO WORK.

My first question:

Do I need to sign up for the $19.99 MediaNet plan before I can get
"tethering" to work?

Thanks,
Curt


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Old 11-18-2006, 02:42 PM
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In article <1163819604.419876.230540@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups .com>,
curtbaker@comcast.net says...
> PMJI
>
> I have a 2125 and have been unable to connect to the Cingular network.
> Believe me I have read all the posts including your excellent one on
> WiKipedia. Still can't get it to work. I get the 633 error every time.
>
> Do I need to sign up for the $19.99 MediaNet plan before I can get
> "tethering" to work?
>

Not unless data has been completely disabled on your account in the
past. I don't have a data package (I use CSD for email) but I test GPRS
occasionally to make sure it's still working. Of course once you get it
working you'd BETTER sign up for something--the default is PayAsYouGo
and you could easily run the bill up hundreds if not thousands of
dollars tethering without an unlimited package.
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Old 11-18-2006, 03:08 PM
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On 17 Nov 2006 19:13:24 -0800, curtbaker@comcast.net wrote in
<1163819604.419876.230540@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups .com>:

>PMJI
>
>I have a 2125 and have been unable to connect to the Cingular network.
>Believe me I have read all the posts including your excellent one on
>WiKipedia. Still can't get it to work. I get the 633 error every time.
>
>I went into the Cingular store in Las Vegas today and was helped by a
>friendly Cingular employee. He wanted to sell me a card and told me
>"tethering" wasn't supported.
>
>I WILL GET THIS TO WORK.
>
>My first question:
>
>Do I need to sign up for the $19.99 MediaNet plan before I can get
>"tethering" to work?


No. Tethering will work with pay-as-you-go.

First step: Does your 2125 currently work to access WAP sites?

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Old 11-18-2006, 03:28 PM
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Drew wrote:
> Well, I called Cingular, and got this guy that really didn't know what
> he was doing. I still have my Data Connect ISP feature on my account
> which is free, and I said I wanted to be signed up for the $19.99 MEdia
> Net Unlimited feature. He said he did that, and I check my account
> online, and now I have these new features:
>
> MEDIA MAX 1 MO UNL $19.99
> MEDIA MAX UNL MSGS $0.00
> MEDIA MAX UNL MNET $0.00
> DATA CONNECT ISP $0.00
>
> Wow, SWEET! Gotta love getting the people that don't know what they're
> doing. I was on the 200 text messages plan, and he signed me up for the
> really old MEdia Max plan that no longer exists that included unlimited
> MEdia Net and Unlimited text messages for $19.99
>
> I love Cingular.


So now I have a problem. For some reason I cannot receive calls on my
phone while connected to MEdiaNet from my phone into my notebook
(tethering). When I had this service last year, it did let me. So I'm
confused as to why it's not letting me now. To test, I grabbed my home
phone and tried to call my cell phone while connected to the Internet.
I called, and it kept ringing and ringing, but my cell phone never
acknowledged the call, it just went into voicemail. I think this is the
same if someone tries to send me a text message as well.

Also, I've been wondering over the "unlimited text messaging" threads
here on the group, and I see that some people once had the unlimited
text messaging feature, and had it removed by Cingular .That
representative over the phone that added my unlimited MEdiaNet feature
also added unlimited text messaging as part of the old MEdiaMax deal. I
just wonder if my "unlimited text messaging" is actually unlimited, or
if they're limiting it to the max offer they have now of 3,000/month.

Any ideas, anyone?


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Old 11-18-2006, 04:41 PM
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On 18 Nov 2006 07:28:13 -0800, "Drew" <drew.yates@gmail.com> wrote in
<1163863693.558135.287100@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>:

>Drew wrote:
>> Well, I called Cingular, and got this guy that really didn't know what
>> he was doing. I still have my Data Connect ISP feature on my account
>> which is free, and I said I wanted to be signed up for the $19.99 MEdia
>> Net Unlimited feature. He said he did that, and I check my account
>> online, and now I have these new features:
>>
>> MEDIA MAX 1 MO UNL $19.99
>> MEDIA MAX UNL MSGS $0.00
>> MEDIA MAX UNL MNET $0.00
>> DATA CONNECT ISP $0.00
>>
>> Wow, SWEET! Gotta love getting the people that don't know what they're
>> doing. I was on the 200 text messages plan, and he signed me up for the
>> really old MEdia Max plan that no longer exists that included unlimited
>> MEdia Net and Unlimited text messages for $19.99
>>
>> I love Cingular.

>
>So now I have a problem. For some reason I cannot receive calls on my
>phone while connected to MEdiaNet from my phone into my notebook
>(tethering). When I had this service last year, it did let me. So I'm
>confused as to why it's not letting me now. To test, I grabbed my home
>phone and tried to call my cell phone while connected to the Internet.
>I called, and it kept ringing and ringing, but my cell phone never
>acknowledged the call, it just went into voicemail. I think this is the
>same if someone tries to send me a text message as well.


Possibilities:
* Phone configured wrong
* Problem in the phone firmware
* Phone is lowest EGPRS device class,
which can't handle both at the same time.

>Also, I've been wondering over the "unlimited text messaging" threads
>here on the group, and I see that some people once had the unlimited
>text messaging feature, and had it removed by Cingular .That
>representative over the phone that added my unlimited MEdiaNet feature
>also added unlimited text messaging as part of the old MEdiaMax deal. I
>just wonder if my "unlimited text messaging" is actually unlimited, or
>if they're limiting it to the max offer they have now of 3,000/month.


I personally don't know of any truly unlimited text messaging offer.

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Old 11-18-2006, 06:55 PM
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> Possibilities:
> * Phone configured wrong
> * Problem in the phone firmware
> * Phone is lowest EGPRS device class,
> which can't handle both at the same time.


Maybe I should uninstall the Communications Manager and use your
tutorial for tethering, this might solve the problem. I think that the
firmware is messed up or something as well. I know my Razr let me do
this when I had the service last year. Quite odd.

> >Also, I've been wondering over the "unlimited text messaging" threads
> >here on the group, and I see that some people once had the unlimited
> >text messaging feature, and had it removed by Cingular .That
> >representative over the phone that added my unlimited MEdiaNet feature
> >also added unlimited text messaging as part of the old MEdiaMax deal. I
> >just wonder if my "unlimited text messaging" is actually unlimited, or
> >if they're limiting it to the max offer they have now of 3,000/month.


I took a look at the online account manager of mine today, and this is
what I got.

Screenshot: http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/3262/acctmgrlm8.jpg

So I think my text messaing *might* be unlimited from here on out. I'm
not for sure.


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Old 11-18-2006, 07:44 PM
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On 18 Nov 2006 10:55:38 -0800, "Drew" <drew.yates@gmail.com> wrote in
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>> Possibilities:
>> * Phone configured wrong
>> * Problem in the phone firmware
>> * Phone is lowest EGPRS device class,
>> which can't handle both at the same time.

>
>Maybe I should uninstall the Communications Manager and use your
>tutorial for tethering, this might solve the problem.


Worth a try, but I doubt that's the problem.

>I think that the
>firmware is messed up or something as well. I know my Razr let me do
>this when I had the service last year. Quite odd.


You might want to flash the latest firmware, and check your
configuration settings.

>> >Also, I've been wondering over the "unlimited text messaging" threads
>> >here on the group, and I see that some people once had the unlimited
>> >text messaging feature, and had it removed by Cingular .That
>> >representative over the phone that added my unlimited MEdiaNet feature
>> >also added unlimited text messaging as part of the old MEdiaMax deal. I
>> >just wonder if my "unlimited text messaging" is actually unlimited, or
>> >if they're limiting it to the max offer they have now of 3,000/month.

>
>I took a look at the online account manager of mine today, and this is
>what I got.
>
>Screenshot: http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/3262/acctmgrlm8.jpg
>
>So I think my text messaing *might* be unlimited from here on out. I'm
>not for sure.


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Old 11-19-2006, 07:33 PM
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I'm still confused about this. My old Razr (that soon after I had the
data service broke on me and I had to send it in to LockLine for
replacement) let me accept, or at least see, that a voice call was
coming in while I'm connected. The Razr they sent me is the new Razr,
which has the video capture feature that my old one didn't. It seems
like this one let me accept voice calls in the past while connected to
MEdiaNet over my notebook though.

I've tried uninstalling the Communications Manager, deleting the
connection and reinstalling everything, and that didn't work. I tried
manually setting up the connection, and that didn't work either.

I don't know how to flash the firmware on my phone...and I don't know
if that would work.

Also, I don't know what speeds my Razr is capiable of. I'm downloading
a 3MB file from a server of mine right now, and it's staying at about
5KB/Sec and I'm in at a consistent 3 bars. I'm wanting faster speeds =/


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Old 11-19-2006, 08:15 PM
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At 19 Nov 2006 11:33:40 -0800 Drew wrote:

> Also, I don't know what speeds my Razr is capiable of. I'm downloading
> a 3MB file from a server of mine right now, and it's staying at about
> 5KB/Sec and I'm in at a consistent 3 bars. I'm wanting faster speeds

=/
>

AFAIK, the Razr only tethers at GPRS, not EDGE, so 50kbps (=5KBps) is
about it.



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