SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:47e5a837$0$36394
$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
> really wanted was an EVDO iPhone that worked on Sprint
> and Verizon,
No, NO! Not on Verizon! An Iphone uses a lot of bandwidth (see the
131,000 page ATT bill video on YouTube...(c. Verizon is selling 5GB for
$60 PLUS FIFTY CENTS PER MEGABYTE OVER THAT! If iPhone was on Verizon,
you'd be getting those thousand dollar sellphone bills, again!
In article <47e5a837$0$36394$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Unless Apple quickly comes out with the 3G model, they will continue to
> miss their sales goals without further drastic price cuts. Actually what
> the guy on KGO really wanted was an EVDO iPhone that worked on Sprint
> and Verizon, but that's far in the future.
I don't think they are missing their sales goals. And they are selling
plenty of iPhones with the Edge iPhone. I do think they will need the
3G model to reach their sales goal for 2008. I think the release of a
3G model and price cuts are built into their strategy of making their
goal.
SMS wrote:
> Tom Payne wrote:
>
>> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well the iPhone hardware isn't perfect either. I was listening to an
>>> electronics guru on a radio talk show this morning fawning over the
>>> iPhone, until he got to the lack of 3G and admitted that web browsing
>>> was just painfully slow.
>>
>>
>> There are so many WiFi networks to choose from that very few iPhone
>> users use the EDGE network ay all. At any given time I have at least 5
>> open networks to choose from. And of course that makes the 3G look
>> like dial-up.
>
>
> You can't use the WiFi networks while moving, and free WiFi networks are
> definitely not the norm everywhere in the world or even everywhere in
> the U.S..
Bingo. iPhone is urban fanboi cafe-capable, but NOT a mobile platform.
> Bingo. iPhone is urban fanboi cafe-capable, but NOT a mobile platform.
But actually what Tom Payne wrote is probably partially true. Few iPhone
users use the EDGE network at all. This isn't because they don't want a
mobile platform, it's because they can't stand to use EDGE, so they seek
out places with WiFi.
OTOH, If every iPhone suddenly was using the HSDPA network, the 3G
network would be bogged down. It's already happened in Taiwan, where
FarEastone signed up far too many subscribers to their 3G service.
> But actually what Tom Payne wrote is probably partially true.
Maybe. As they say, "even a broken clock is right twice a day."
> Few iPhone users use the EDGE network at all. This isn't because they
> don't want a mobile platform, it's because they can't stand to use EDGE,
> so they seek out places with WiFi.
EDGE works fine in a pinch. I doubt millions of iPhone users are wasting
even more time "seeking out WiFi" to check a movie listing or the weather.
> OTOH, If every iPhone suddenly was using the HSDPA network, the 3G
> network would be bogged down.
I suspect that would be (will be) controlled by pricing.
SMS wrote:
> News wrote:
>
>> Bingo. iPhone is urban fanboi cafe-capable, but NOT a mobile platform.
>
>
> But actually what Tom Payne wrote is probably partially true. Few iPhone
> users use the EDGE network at all. This isn't because they don't want a
> mobile platform, it's because they can't stand to use EDGE, so they seek
> out places with WiFi.
>
Indeed. Your comment confirms a static/urban/cafe-based iPhone user
base. Wifi offers no elegant hand-off and EDGE offers far less urban
coverage than GPRS, and almost zero suburban and rural coverage.
> You don't get around very much then. If you lived in a modern city, rather
> than Minneapolis, you wouldn't find it so easy, perhaps.
>
> > And of course that makes the 3G look like dial-up.
>
> How would you know? In prior posts you've told us you've never owned a cell
> phone prior to the iPhone,
I don't live in Minneapolis and I would venture a pretty safe guess that
I have cellphones that are older than you are. But at least you are
consistent with your "facts"
Todd Allcock wrote:
>
>
> EDGE works fine in a pinch. I doubt millions of iPhone users are
> wasting even more time "seeking out WiFi" to check a movie listing or
> the weather.
>
You would be right, of course. To be frank EDGE is not all that bad, for
what I use it for. The stuff I "need" to check on work pretty much the same
on EDGE or WiFi (BOA Website, stocks, weather, email, a few Web-based
forums, and the game Travian). Travian works great on the iPhone, and I
usually need to check up on my villages every hour or so (damned game sucks
you in like crack, and then starts to take over your life <g>).
> You would be right, of course. To be frank EDGE is not all that bad, for
> what I use it for.
Agreed. Perhaps I'm too easy to please, but years ago I used to tether a
Casio E-100 Palm-sized PC (the precursor to the Pocket PC) to a 14.4k TDMA
data connection via infrared, so even the "slow" 150-200k sppeds of EDGE
seem like a perfect acceptable mobile data solution to me! That said, I'll
be happy to go to 3G when T-Mobile gets around to offering it later this
year, but 3G alone isn't important enough to me to swith carriers over.
At 23 Mar 2008 09:55:02 -0400 Tom Payne wrote:
> I don't live in Minneapolis and I would venture a pretty safe guess that
> I have cellphones that are older than you are. But at least you are
> consistent with your "facts"
My apologies if you aren't the latest nym-shift of our pal Oxford. You
certainly sound like him and have the same over-rated opinion of WiFi's
ubiquity.
For the record, I was born before the first Moon landing, so I doubt you
have any cellphones older than I. You may have phons older than mine- I'm
a relative newcomer to cellular- my first was a circa-1990 or so Nokia-
built Tandy CT-300 "brick" handheld with a data/fax interface topping out
at a speedy 7200bps on a good day.
> Indeed. Your comment confirms a static/urban/cafe-based iPhone
> user base. Wifi offers no elegant hand-off and EDGE offers far less
> urban coverage than GPRS, and almost zero suburban and rural
> coverage.
To be fair, the lack of WiFi soft handoffs aren't a big problem for web
browsing or e-mail, particularly since the phone falls back to EDGE or GPRS
in-between. You get virtually seamless, albeit variable speed/quality,
connectivity. It really only becomes a problem with VoIP, since you'd drop
calls at each handoff, but that's a non-issue for the iPhone, since it
lacks any available VoIP client anyway.
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