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Old 04-07-2008, 06:13 PM
John Navas
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Default NEWS: Europe clears mobiles on aircraft

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7334372.stm>


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Old 04-08-2008, 03:48 AM
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Default Re: NEWS: Europe clears mobiles on aircraft

On Apr 7, 10:13*am, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7334372.stm>


great news, now how long is it going to take before the usa goes in
same direction

nokia tube is coming: http://www.nokia-tube.com

cheers

ira

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Old 04-08-2008, 08:09 PM
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<Ira.Kovac@gmail.com> wrote:
> great news, now how long is it going to take before the usa goes in
> same direction


I am just dying for sitting next to some teenager chatting on her phone
all through the flight.

R. P.


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Old 04-08-2008, 08:16 PM
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R. P. wrote:
> <Ira.Kovac@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> great news, now how long is it going to take before the usa goes in
>> same direction

>
>
> I am just dying for sitting next to some teenager chatting on her phone
> all through the flight.
>
> R. P.
>



For an extra $50 they'll offer to assign you a seat in the no-cell zone.

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Old 04-09-2008, 04:39 AM
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"News" <News@Group.name> wrote:
> For an extra $50 they'll offer to assign you a seat in the no-cell
> zone.


I think it should be the other way around.

R. P.


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Old 04-09-2008, 12:00 PM
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R. P. wrote:
> "News" <News@Group.name> wrote:
>
>> For an extra $50 they'll offer to assign you a seat in the no-cell zone.

>
>
> I think it should be the other way around.
>


They'll figure to charge both sides, then let people who won't pay up
suffer in the middle.

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Old 04-09-2008, 12:03 PM
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Default Re: NEWS: Europe clears mobiles on aircraft

On Apr 8, 10:39*pm, "R. P." <r_pol12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "News" <N...@Group.name> wrote:
> > For an extra $50 they'll offer to assign you a seat in the no-cell
> > zone.

>
> I think it should be the other way around.
>
> R. P.


Actually, I can see their point in charging extra for the no cell
zone. I personally cannot stand
being stuck in a place where I am surrounded by people using cell
phones indescrimentally and
especially when they are not in the least being descreet about their
conversations. If I am on a
flight that is going to take more than an hour, I am going to be
wanting some peace and quite
for reading, or sleeping. Personally, I hope that the US never o.k.'s
the use of cells on planes.

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Old 04-09-2008, 05:06 PM
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On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 04:03:58 -0700 (PDT), dafydd wrote:

> Actually, I can see their point in charging extra for the no cell
> zone. I personally cannot stand
> being stuck in a place where I am surrounded by people using cell
> phones indescrimentally and
> especially when they are not in the least being descreet about their
> conversations. If I am on a
> flight that is going to take more than an hour, I am going to be
> wanting some peace and quite
> for reading, or sleeping. Personally, I hope that the US never o.k.'s
> the use of cells on planes.


I totally agree with you, but fear many business travelers, who make up a
large percentage of the revenue the airlines get, will want to do business
while flying. Between them and the screaming kids I may go back to Amtrak
<G>.


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Old 04-09-2008, 07:28 PM
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> I totally agree with you, but fear many business travelers, who make up a
> large percentage of the revenue the airlines get, will want to do business
> while flying. Between them and the screaming kids I may go back to Amtrak


I'd think nitwits yammering endlessly about stupid crap would be far more
annoying than a business conversation. At least then I can make burping and
farting noises to discourage them from trying to talk to a client.


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Old 04-09-2008, 08:09 PM
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Bill Kearney wrote:
>
>> I totally agree with you, but fear many business travelers, who make up a
>> large percentage of the revenue the airlines get, will want to do
>> business
>> while flying. Between them and the screaming kids I may go back to
>> Amtrak

>
> I'd think nitwits yammering endlessly about stupid crap would be far
> more annoying than a business conversation. At least then I can make
> burping and farting noises to discourage them from trying to talk to a
> client.


It all depends on how self centered and rude the person is. Last week I
was at a seminar. The presenter had a slide up at the beginning
requesting that everyone check their cellphones and turn them off. He
also made the request verbally.

The presenter had reach a key point and had everyones attention and a
loud ringtone suitable for any 12 year old started blaring in front of
me. Instead of reaching in his pocket and silencing it the 12 year old
answered in a loud voice and engaged the caller continuing to speak
loudly going on and on about some project they were bidding on. If
stares could generate heat this goof would have burst into flames. It
continued for quite a while and I gave the chair a strong kick about the
same time the person next to me whacked the back. It got his attention
and he simply gave us a dirty look and stormed out of the room.

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Old 04-11-2008, 04:19 AM
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"Traveling Man" <none@none.com> wrote:
> I totally agree with you, but fear many business travelers, who make up a
> large percentage of the revenue the airlines get, will want to do business
> while flying. Between them and the screaming kids I may go back to Amtrak


I still wonder about the technical feasibility of it when the plane is
flying like 500 MPH over the cell towers. The switching equipment could not
keep up with it.

R. P.


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Old 04-11-2008, 08:49 AM
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At 10 Apr 2008 20:19:33 -0700 R. P. wrote:

> I still wonder about the technical feasibility of it when the plane is
> flying like 500 MPH over the cell towers. The switching equipment
> could not keep up with it.



True, but I suspect the system is an onboard "cell" connected by radio to a
specific ground system then connected to the network from their, much the
same way cruise ships have their own system connected by satellite to the
"real world."

I also suspect, much like cruise ships, it won't be free (unless it's
"sponsored" by a particular wireless company who gives their own customers
a break)- I suspect users will be roaming at usurious "GE Airphone"-like
rates!




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Old 04-11-2008, 07:33 PM
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"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
> I also suspect, much like cruise ships, it won't be free (unless it's
> "sponsored" by a particular wireless company who gives their own
> customers
> a break)- I suspect users will be roaming at usurious "GE
> Airphone"-like
> rates!


Well, the system you described requires almost similar
infrastructure enhancements for the airlines as the Airphone does and
the airlines would want to recover that cost. So they would be justified
to charge those higher fees. But hey, at least that should cut back on
the teenager chit-chat during flights. Personally though, I would have
no objection to cell phone use in planes while still on ground. That
should be doable without any assistance from the airlines and thus
should not cost more than a regular cell phone call.

R. P.


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Old 04-11-2008, 08:23 PM
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R. P. wrote:

> "Traveling Man" <none@none.com> wrote:
>> I totally agree with you, but fear many business travelers, who make up a
>> large percentage of the revenue the airlines get, will want to do business
>> while flying. Between them and the screaming kids I may go back to Amtrak

>
> I still wonder about the technical feasibility of it when the plane is
> flying like 500 MPH over the cell towers. The switching equipment could not
> keep up with it.


"A few U.S. airlines have announced plans to allow mobile phones to be
used on aircraft, pending approval by the FCC and the FAA. The method is
similar to that used in some cars on the German ICE train: the aircraft
will contain a device known as a picocell. It will act as a miniature
mobile telephone tower, communicating with mobile phones within the
aircraft, and relaying the signals to either satellites or a
terrestrial-based system. The picocell will be designed and maintained
for full compatibility with the rest of the on-board avionics.
Communication between the picocell and the rest of the telephone network
will be on separate frequencies that do not interfere with either the
cellular system or the aircraft's avionics, much like the on-board phone
systems already aboard many commercial aircraft." [...]

"On 20 March 2008, Emirates Airline flights began allowing voice calls
in-flight on some commercial airline flights."

"The approval by EASA of these systems has established that GSM phones
on certified aircraft types are considered safe to use when installed
with a on-board cellular picocell."

"On 26 March 2008 Ofcom approved the use of mobile phone-supporting
picocells aboard aircraft in the United Kingdom. Airline companies will
have to equip the aircraft with picocells and apply for licenses."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phones_on_aircraft

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Dutch

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