NEWS: Verizon and AT&T May Both Get Apple Tablet

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 11:21:40 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in <4bcf4233$0$1639$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:

>Difficult to use anything but CDMA (or AMPS) in areas that large and
>sparsely populated.

Not true. (What a shock.)

--
Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>

If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do iFans keep making excuses for it?

On 2010-05-18, John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:27:59 -0700, Mark Crispin <mrc@Panda.COM> wrote
> in <alpine.OSX.2.00.1004210819080.709@hsinghsing.pand a.com>:
>
>>On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, SMS posted:
>>> This is true. LTE is going to be deployed by Verizon in months (or even
>>> weeks).
>>
>>Yes. The phone that I am looking for next will be a quad mode (LTE, CDMA,
>>UMTS, GSM) phone; and hopefully much more reliable than the BlackBerry
>>Storm.
>
> Unlikely unless and until soft radios become a reality,
> which isn't likely anytime soon.

The Qualcomm MDM9600 and its relatives do all that, are sampling
now and are supposed to be shipping in volume by the latter half of
this year.

Almost all cellphone radio implementations are "soft" now but,
unfortunately, there's no such thing has a "soft" power amplifier
so you need a bunch of PA chips to support a bunch of bands in a bunch
of modes. I'm not sure the Qualcomm chipsets by themselves will enable
all-band all-mode phones, but they may make it minimally cheap to
produce different models of the same phone with different band/mode
support.

Dennis Ferguson

In article <19j5v5dg0pgbvv0ublgg07kpbbaj725ug5@navasgroup.com >, John
Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> >What's better is the phone and player at interconnected. If I push the
> >phone button on the Motorola S9HD bluetooth stereo headset, the music
> >player stops as I talk to the phone to let it know who I want to call or
> >what number if it's not in the list. Once the call ends, the music simply
> >resumes from where it left off with no input from me, at all.
>
> Likewise with my Android mobile (T-Mobile myTouch 3G 3.5mm Jack, aka HTC
> Magic), and likewise when streaming Pandora, Internet radio, or Google
> Listen (podcasts), which I do at least as often as my recorded music.

the iphone 3g, 3gs and next model will all do everything you described,
using iphone os 4.0, expected in a few weeks.

> >The 2GB SD cards, and I have several for different moods, hot swap in a
> >heartbeat giving the little phone unlimited storage.
>
> The 16GB microSDHC hard in my Android mobile is more than big enough to
> hold music for all my moods, with room to spare for video (including
> full length movies).

and since iphones start at 16 gig (not counting last year's 3g that's
still sold), you don't need an extra card at all.

> >Nothing Apple makes
> >can compare to this simple phone and great sounding BT headset. Try it
> >sometimes, before drinking the reality distortion koolaid.
>
> Amen.

wrong.

In article <2em5v5tepclpni0eo65ma6iqve764qus5f@navasgroup.com >, John
Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> >But CDMA/LTE devices are a certainty, as it will take LTE at
> >least another year to be deployed at all of Verizon's cell sites.
>
> CDMA is not LTE.

he likely means a cdma/lte combination. an lte-only phone is not viable
any time soon.

In article <lim5v5thge1jmlecu2hr8aqa8gelnol92d@navasgroup.com >, John
Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> >Especially since Verizon still has better coverage.
>
> Not true.

maybe in your limited corner of the world, but for the majority, it's
very true.

John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
news:19j5v5dg0pgbvv0ublgg07kpbbaj725ug5@navasgroup .com:

> Likewise with my Android mobile (T-Mobile myTouch 3G 3.5mm Jack, aka
HTC
> Magic), and likewise when streaming Pandora, Internet radio, or Google
> Listen (podcasts), which I do at least as often as my recorded music.
>

I do a good bit of mobile streaming with the Nokia N800 Linux tablets.
My hot spot is a Cricket Cellular A600 aircard plugged into a
Cradlepoint CTR350 USB aircard router running off four 5AH Ni-Mh 'C'
cells in series, 5V close enough. The combination works great anywhere
around Charleston in motion up to 70 mph. I even use it on my Honda
Reflex 250cc scooter with the hotspot running inside the plastic trunk
under my seat to the N800 Linux tablet in my shirt pocket and some odd
named earbuds that don't fall out of my ear canals inside my helmet.

Kix Country in Bundaberg, Queensland, AU
KSEY plays classic country and Texas Swing from Seymour, Texas
Volksmusik.net from Switzerland
Theatre Organ Radio from www.atos.org
Classical music from KING in Seattle
KPIG's crazy mix of music to get stoned with from Freedom, CA

is a small sample of my favorite stations.

I get bored if there's too much talking and boot Vagalume on the little
Linux tablet to access last.fm and its fantastic array of free music on
my own radio stations, too. last.fm is a good place to listen to
Googoosh and other Iranian pop music stars from the Shahanshah's era
before religion drove her from her own country. Googoosh is WAY too
erotic for an Islamic cleric to handle...(c;] She could melt any man's
heart, even if it were made from titanium.....

SSID is W4CSC-R (for repeater)
WPA password is kissmyassbaby
Help yourself. I'm running 100mw so should get to several cars on the
interstate within 200' easy.

--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.

Larry

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
news:180520101644489364%nospam@nospam.invalid:

> In article <19j5v5dg0pgbvv0ublgg07kpbbaj725ug5@navasgroup.com >, John
> Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >What's better is the phone and player at interconnected. If I push
>> >the phone button on the Motorola S9HD bluetooth stereo headset, the
>> >music player stops as I talk to the phone to let it know who I want
>> >to call or what number if it's not in the list. Once the call ends,
>> >the music simply resumes from where it left off with no input from
>> >me, at all.
>>
>> Likewise with my Android mobile (T-Mobile myTouch 3G 3.5mm Jack, aka
>> HTC Magic), and likewise when streaming Pandora, Internet radio, or
>> Google Listen (podcasts), which I do at least as often as my recorded
>> music.
>
> the iphone 3g, 3gs and next model will all do everything you
> described, using iphone os 4.0, expected in a few weeks.
>
>> >The 2GB SD cards, and I have several for different moods, hot swap
>> >in a heartbeat giving the little phone unlimited storage.
>>
>> The 16GB microSDHC hard in my Android mobile is more than big enough
>> to hold music for all my moods, with room to spare for video
>> (including full length movies).
>
> and since iphones start at 16 gig (not counting last year's 3g that's
> still sold), you don't need an extra card at all.
>
>> >Nothing Apple makes
>> >can compare to this simple phone and great sounding BT headset. Try
>> >it sometimes, before drinking the reality distortion koolaid.
>>
>> Amen.
>
> wrong.
>

As usual from the Apple Reality Distortion Field, you miss the point
entirely.....

Iphone 3GSXPETUWKMCJUGHEIS superphone will not "do everything you
described" because it will not operate properly with the Motorola S9HD
or any common stereo bluetooth headset....

Iphones:

The following table details supported Bluetooth profiles by device when
using the latest version of the device software.
Device

" 1. iPhone 3GS, iPhone 3G, iPad, and iPod touch (2nd generation)
support pause, play, and stop for AVRCP."
as per http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3647

They do NOT support changing songs from the headset AVRCP, They do not
support AVRCP's volume controls, either, from the Motorola S9HD. Just
another typical Apple half-assed profile all hobbled up.

Iphone also does not support pausing the player to answer the phone
call, THEN RESUMING THE PLAYER from where it left off, as do the most
elementary Motorola phone music players.

Of course, with no support for voice prompting from the bluetooth
headset, you cannot click the call button, the music player pauses, the
voice prompter comes on and asks for a command, then follows the command
to "Call Victor" dialing his phone all the while the music player waits
for him to hang up or me to push the button.

It didn't work a month ago when we paired it with a brand new 3GS a
friend wanted to test his iPhone's compatibility with my S9HD BT
headphones, unless something changed since then.

Careful......stay well back in the Field!


--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.

Larry

Better display, more RAM, bigger battery

Apple is betting big that its upcoming - and noticeably improved -
iPhone 4G will be an instant worldwide hit, according to a report citing
Taiwanese parts suppliers.

Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo at DigiTimes says that Cupertino has ordered 24
million units for this year alone from its Chinese assembler, Foxconn.
Kuo also provided more details on the increasingly not-so-secret phone,
expected to be revealed on the opening day of Apple's upcoming Worldwide
Developer Conference, which runs from June 7 through 11.

Foxconn, according to the DigiTimes report, is front-loading the
shipments with 4.5 million units to be delivered in the first half of
the year, with the remaining 19.5 due during the following six months.

These numbers are aggressive, but not unreasonable. According to its
most recent Form 10-Q filing (PDF) with the US Securities and Exchange
Commission, Apple sold 8.75 million iPhones worldwide in the quarter
ending March 27, and 17.5 million for the six-month period ending that
quarter.

MORE:
<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/18/24_million_iphone_4gs_in_2010/>

On Tue, 18 May 2010 14:18:11 -0500, Dennis Ferguson
<dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote in
<slrnhv5pvj.50.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com>:

>On 2010-05-18, John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:27:59 -0700, Mark Crispin <mrc@Panda.COM> wrote
>> in <alpine.OSX.2.00.1004210819080.709@hsinghsing.pand a.com>:
>>
>>>On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, SMS posted:
>>>> This is true. LTE is going to be deployed by Verizon in months (or even
>>>> weeks).
>>>
>>>Yes. The phone that I am looking for next will be a quad mode (LTE, CDMA,
>>>UMTS, GSM) phone; and hopefully much more reliable than the BlackBerry
>>>Storm.
>>
>> Unlikely unless and until soft radios become a reality,
>> which isn't likely anytime soon.
>
>The Qualcomm MDM9600 and its relatives do all that, are sampling
>now and are supposed to be shipping in volume by the latter half of
>this year.
>
>Almost all cellphone radio implementations are "soft" now but,
>unfortunately, there's no such thing has a "soft" power amplifier
>so you need a bunch of PA chips to support a bunch of bands in a bunch
>of modes. I'm not sure the Qualcomm chipsets by themselves will enable
>all-band all-mode phones, but they may make it minimally cheap to
>produce different models of the same phone with different band/mode
>support.

Thanks for the confirmation.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:180520101644489364%
nospam@nospam.invalid:

> and since iphones start at 16 gig (not counting last year's 3g that's
> still sold), you don't need an extra card at all.
>
>

Another REality Distortion Field deflection!

I don't give a **** if it has 4TB of storage. It will never compare to
simply plugging a microSD into the phone you've loaded from ANYWHERE, from
ANYBODY without going to that ONE ITUNE ON ONE COMPUTER that piece of
Appleshit you carry must sync to, with Daddy Steve's permission.

How can you continue to defend a piece of **** so hobbled up it can only
talk to ONE computer at a time?

"Here.", I said slipping the microSD from my ROKR into her soft, warm hand.
"Have you heard these songs?", I croak, staring longingly into her blue
eyes trying not to look down at her ample cleavage.

Shove your iphone and its iTunes up your ***.....


--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.

Larry

On Tue, 18 May 2010 21:20:50 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote in
<Xns9D7CB07A84366noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>:

>nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>news:180520101644489364%nospam@nospam.invalid:

>> wrong.
>
>As usual from the Apple Reality Distortion Field, you miss the point
>entirely.....
>
>Iphone 3GSXPETUWKMCJUGHEIS superphone will not "do everything you
>described" because it will not operate properly with the Motorola S9HD
>or any common stereo bluetooth headset....

Just the tip of the iceberg. My Android mobile will stream Pandora (or
Internet radio or Google Listen podcasts or my recorded music) while
simultaneously running Google Maps with voice directions in the
background while I surf the Web in the foreground.

Real iPhone doesn't even come close,
and it remains to be seen if vaporware iPhone will measure up either.

--
Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>

If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do iFans keep making excuses for it?

The boom in mobile computing is set to heat up as Apple's dominance of
cool applications on its iPhone platform is being challenged by the
fast-growing Android environment created by Google Inc, Silicon Valley
venture capitalists said on Tuesday.

More than 200,000 iPhone apps already exist and more are being
developed. But application developers are viewing the Android as a
viable open platform, according to three venture funds that invest in
technology start-ups.

"I am quite impressed by the traction the Android ecosystem is getting,"
Chris Moore, a partner with Redpoint Ventures, told the summit. He said
it felt as if as many start-ups were walking into his office to pitch
Android applications as those for the iPhone.

MORE: <http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64H60220100518>

In article <3526v5t5u251fc8t3pm2ohsl9mkjiict6e@navasgroup.com >, John
Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> Just the tip of the iceberg. My Android mobile will stream Pandora (or
> Internet radio or Google Listen podcasts or my recorded music) while
> simultaneously running Google Maps with voice directions in the
> background while I surf the Web in the foreground.
>
> Real iPhone doesn't even come close,

yes it does. check back in a few weeks.

The BlackBerry and Apple’s iPhone are slugging it out in the battle of
the smartphones, but could another rival steal the title?

...

So is the future Apple-shaped? If only it were that simple. Enter
Google, pursued by a bee in its bonnet.

The internet search giant’s Android mobile operating system, provided
free to manufacturers, integrates with all Google’s online services, and
with Microsoft Exchange. HTC, Motorola, Sony Ericsson and Samsung
already make phones running Android, which offers comparable
functionality in a similarly friendly package to the iPhone. Last month,
after only a year on sale, Android phones outsold iPhones for the first
time in the US.

Many industry experts expect that in five years’ time Android will be
the world’s dominant mobile platform, just as Google dominates internet
search.

Perhaps, finally, someone has found the perfect recipe to make
BlackBerry and Apple crumble.

MORE:
<http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article7130018.ece>

In article <Xns9D7CB1839C4F8noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>, Larry
<noone@home.com> wrote:

> I don't give a **** if it has 4TB of storage. It will never compare to
> simply plugging a microSD into the phone you've loaded from ANYWHERE,

if someone doesn't fill up the built in memory, why would having
swappable cards matter? users do not want to fuss with cards.

> from
> ANYBODY without going to that ONE ITUNE ON ONE COMPUTER that piece of
> Appleshit you carry must sync to, with Daddy Steve's permission.

no permission is needed. users can put *anything* on their ipods and
iphones, whether it's ****, pirated music or purchased content.

> How can you continue to defend a piece of **** so hobbled up it can only
> talk to ONE computer at a time?

ipods can sync with more than one computer, however, since it's over
usb, it can only be one at a time. the same is true for non-apple
devices.

In article <Xns9D7CDE184613Fnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13>, Larry
<noone@home.com> wrote:

> Sync.....my Palm Pilot used to sync. That's so archaic, syncing.

what's archaic is manually managing thousands of songs. that's why
people have a computer, to let *it* do the grunt work. smart playlists
are a fantastic time saver.

> Copy the files to a card. Plug the card in any device you like. Play
> what's on it when you like. Why is that so hard for a fanboi to
> understand?

why is it so hard to understand that without a database, you can't
search for music very effectively. plus, how do you keep track of
what's on which card? sounds like a royal pain in the ***.

removing a card means the database is now invalid and it would also
need to update the database with any card insertion.

plus, most people don't have that much music. the best selling ipods
are the smaller capacity ones, not the largest. since people don't tend
to fill their ipods, there really isn't a need for swappable cards.

> Why is it so "alien" like changeable battery packs?

if the battery lasts longer than a day, who cares? plug it in at night.
ipod battery life is as much as 36 hours nonstop, which is several days
of typical use. it's not hard to get a week of use out of a single
charge. how often are you not near an outlet or usb port in that amount
of time?

most people never buy a second phone or laptop battery anyway, so even
though they say they want a swappable battery, they never actually swap
one. this is very easy to tell by how many spare batteries are sold
compared to how many of the device itself.

not to mention that to get the ipods thin and tiny, particularly the
shuffle, they'd need a custom battery and you'd be whining about 'apple
proprietary batteries.'

On Tue, 18 May 2010 22:17:24 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>In article <Xns9D7CDE184613Fnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13>, Larry
><noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>> Sync.....my Palm Pilot used to sync. That's so archaic, syncing.
>
>what's archaic is manually managing thousands of songs. that's why
>people have a computer, to let *it* do the grunt work. smart playlists
>are a fantastic time saver.

I find playlists to be clumsy and inflexible. For me, it's much more
intuitive to just play what I want, when I want, without worrying
whether I have a playlist or not.

>> Copy the files to a card. Plug the card in any device you like. Play
>> what's on it when you like. Why is that so hard for a fanboi to
>> understand?
>
>why is it so hard to understand that without a database, you can't
>search for music very effectively. plus, how do you keep track of
>what's on which card? sounds like a royal pain in the ***.

Why would I need a database? That sounds like overkill for a simple
task like listening to music. In fact, it sounds like a royal pain in
the ***.

>removing a card means the database is now invalid and it would also
>need to update the database with any card insertion.

Insert a card and play music. What is this database of which you speak
and why do you feel it's important?

>plus, most people don't have that much music. the best selling ipods
>are the smaller capacity ones, not the largest. since people don't tend
>to fill their ipods, there really isn't a need for swappable cards.

One of the oft-heard positions from the apple community is that any
feature which isn't available must therefore be undesirable. Since a
person is unable to swap cards, it must therefore mean that swapping
cards isn't a useful feature. Strange logic, eh?

--
Paul Miner

In article <sij6v5d1qm5qlaqpsh3ct1d1favfi58m9o@4ax.com>, Paul Miner
<pminer@elrancho.invalid> wrote:

> I find playlists to be clumsy and inflexible. For me, it's much more
> intuitive to just play what I want, when I want, without worrying
> whether I have a playlist or not.

you can do that too.

> >> Copy the files to a card. Plug the card in any device you like. Play
> >> what's on it when you like. Why is that so hard for a fanboi to
> >> understand?
> >
> >why is it so hard to understand that without a database, you can't
> >search for music very effectively. plus, how do you keep track of
> >what's on which card? sounds like a royal pain in the ***.
>
> Why would I need a database? That sounds like overkill for a simple
> task like listening to music. In fact, it sounds like a royal pain in
> the ***.

it's not anything you see. the database makes it very easy to search by
song title, artist, album, genre or composer (and on a computer, just
about any attribute of a song).

it's a lot more flexible than file/folder. the largest capacity ipod
can hold 40,000 songs. do you really want to manually manage that as
files and folders?? ugh.

it also makes it easy to track play counts, skip counts and song
ratings, so that a smart playlist can automatically update.

one example is have a playlist of songs that haven't been played for
six months and copy 50 random songs from it to the ipod each time it's
synced. that way you'll always have something new to listen to, in
addition to your normal selection of music. rate a song with a 1 star
when you're listening to it and it will disappear on the next sync.

very easy and significantly more flexible.

> >removing a card means the database is now invalid and it would also
> >need to update the database with any card insertion.
>
> Insert a card and play music. What is this database of which you speak
> and why do you feel it's important?

see above.

On 18/05/10 1:45 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article<2em5v5tepclpni0eo65ma6iqve764qus5f@navasgr oup.com>, John
> Navas<spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>>> But CDMA/LTE devices are a certainty, as it will take LTE at
>>> least another year to be deployed at all of Verizon's cell sites.
>>
>> CDMA is not LTE.
>
> he likely means a cdma/lte combination. an lte-only phone is not viable
> any time soon.

It'd be trivial to drop a CDMA/LTE radio into an iPhone. Apple wouldn't
even have to do any of the work, the vendors of the chips would be
falling all over each other to work with the contract manufacturers to
create prototypes and then to help get it into production.

It's all up to Apple to decide if the benefit of selling another 10 to
15 million iPhones to Verizon customers is worth it, or should they cede
that market to Android, Blackberry, etc. until the whole world is LTE in
2015 or so.

Once people get used to one OS on a smart phone it's hard to get them to
switch to a different OS. Apple's benefiting from this now, but it could
hurt them in the future as Android continues to take market share from them.

In article <4bf367f7$0$1670$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> It'd be trivial to drop a CDMA/LTE radio into an iPhone.

that depends on a lot of things, including what chipsets are available,
especially for lte which may not even have a suitable chipset ready,
let alone a combo one. however, a cdma-only iphone is probably quite
easy to do.

> Apple wouldn't
> even have to do any of the work, the vendors of the chips would be
> falling all over each other to work with the contract manufacturers to
> create prototypes and then to help get it into production.

doubtful, but regardless, the chips have to exist for apple to use them.

> It's all up to Apple to decide if the benefit of selling another 10 to
> 15 million iPhones to Verizon customers is worth it, or should they cede
> that market to Android, Blackberry, etc. until the whole world is LTE in
> 2015 or so.

yes, it is up to apple.

> Once people get used to one OS on a smart phone it's hard to get them to
> switch to a different OS. Apple's benefiting from this now, but it could
> hurt them in the future as Android continues to take market share from them.

it's taking it from blackberry and symbian. the iphone market share has
remained relatively flat.

On Tue, 18 May 2010 23:04:03 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>In article <sij6v5d1qm5qlaqpsh3ct1d1favfi58m9o@4ax.com>, Paul Miner
><pminer@elrancho.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I find playlists to be clumsy and inflexible. For me, it's much more
>> intuitive to just play what I want, when I want, without worrying
>> whether I have a playlist or not.
>
>you can do that too.
>
>> >> Copy the files to a card. Plug the card in any device you like. Play
>> >> what's on it when you like. Why is that so hard for a fanboi to
>> >> understand?
>> >
>> >why is it so hard to understand that without a database, you can't
>> >search for music very effectively. plus, how do you keep track of
>> >what's on which card? sounds like a royal pain in the ***.
>>
>> Why would I need a database? That sounds like overkill for a simple
>> task like listening to music. In fact, it sounds like a royal pain in
>> the ***.
>
>it's not anything you see. the database makes it very easy to search by
>song title, artist, album, genre or composer (and on a computer, just
>about any attribute of a song).
>
>it's a lot more flexible than file/folder. the largest capacity ipod
>can hold 40,000 songs. do you really want to manually manage that as
>files and folders?? ugh.
>
>it also makes it easy to track play counts, skip counts and song
>ratings, so that a smart playlist can automatically update.
>
>one example is have a playlist of songs that haven't been played for
>six months and copy 50 random songs from it to the ipod each time it's
>synced. that way you'll always have something new to listen to, in
>addition to your normal selection of music. rate a song with a 1 star
>when you're listening to it and it will disappear on the next sync.
>
>very easy and significantly more flexible.
>
>> >removing a card means the database is now invalid and it would also
>> >need to update the database with any card insertion.
>>
>> Insert a card and play music. What is this database of which you speak
>> and why do you feel it's important?
>
>see above.

Thanks for the description and examples. I can see some value there,
but it's not something I'm interested in for myself. I prefer to
directly manage my music (the files/folder method) rather than having
an app for that.

--
Paul Miner

In article <41r6v5lbg30dm30hn68t5eepr4u9ms6c1u@4ax.com>, Paul Miner
<pminer@elrancho.invalid> wrote:

> Thanks for the description and examples. I can see some value there,
> but it's not something I'm interested in for myself. I prefer to
> directly manage my music (the files/folder method) rather than having
> an app for that.

fair enough.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:180520101802389543%
nospam@nospam.invalid:

> the same is true for non-apple
> devices.
>

Sync.....my Palm Pilot used to sync. That's so archaic, syncing.

Copy the files to a card. Plug the card in any device you like. Play
what's on it when you like. Why is that so hard for a fanboi to
understand? Why is it so "alien" like changeable battery packs?



--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.

Larry

John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
news:a416v5tjsrt5cq3e93rvflus4kh1k2mrr7@navasgroup .com:

> 17.5 million for the six-month period ending that
> quarter.
>

Didya ever wonder where they all went? Look at the BLUE map. Are so many
people in the 1X markets buying 3Gs hoping against hope to get 3G from ATT
some day? Only half of Charleston, SC, has 3G ATT service. The whole city
of Summerville in the metro area is 1X only. Man that sucks.

I see, here in 3G ATT country, maybe 10 iPhones a week. Where are
17,000,000 of them per quarter, in a drawer?

The numbers just don't make sense.



--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.

Larry

On 5/19/10 10:41 AM, Larry wrote:
> nospam<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:190520100147005359%
> nospam@nospam.invalid:
>
>> In article<41r6v5lbg30dm30hn68t5eepr4u9ms6c1u@4ax.com >, Paul Miner
>> <pminer@elrancho.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the description and examples. I can see some value there,
>>> but it's not something I'm interested in for myself. I prefer to
>>> directly manage my music (the files/folder method) rather than having
>>> an app for that.
>>
>> fair enough.
>>
>
> I can't remember the last time I searched out a specific song/artist, but
> the Motorola music player dissects the ID3 tag on all the MP3s it finds on
> any memory location in about 30 seconds, just once when you insert or
> change cards. Once the online database has updated itself, the music
> player has sorted Artist, song, album, genre lists if you want them.
>
> My cards are sorted by genre-named folders, mostly due to they came from
> genre-named alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.(genresortednewsgroups) in the first
> place. I play them shuffled so I don't get so bored listening to one
> artist singing for long periods of time, like any good radio station.
> Motorolas shuffle just fine, I guess. I seed the shuffle by starting it on
> a different song with the fast forward/back buttons before leaving home.
> After that, it pretty much takes care of itself playing a few thousand
> songs in the non-existant "random playlist" the computer has created in its
> imagination. I do change genres a few times a day, which are on different
> cards that are regularly reburned completely. I have millions of files....
> (c;]
>
> I simply cannot imagine having to deal with what ****** iTuneys convoluted
> nonsense every time I want to reload 50K songs just to swap genres. How
> stupid.
>


So, what you are saying here is that aside from fiddling with your cell
phone, you don't have a lot to do in your life besides downloading
bootlegged music and spending your day with earplugs in your ears?

:>)

On Wed, 19 May 2010 07:59:00 -0400, Harry wrote:

> On 5/19/10 10:41 AM, Larry wrote:
>> nospam<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:190520100147005359%
>> nospam@nospam.invalid:
>>
>>> In article<41r6v5lbg30dm30hn68t5eepr4u9ms6c1u@4ax.com >, Paul Miner
>>> <pminer@elrancho.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the description and examples. I can see some value there,
>>>> but it's not something I'm interested in for myself. I prefer to
>>>> directly manage my music (the files/folder method) rather than having
>>>> an app for that.
>>>
>>> fair enough.
>>>
>>
>> I can't remember the last time I searched out a specific song/artist, but
>> the Motorola music player dissects the ID3 tag on all the MP3s it finds on
>> any memory location in about 30 seconds, just once when you insert or
>> change cards. Once the online database has updated itself, the music
>> player has sorted Artist, song, album, genre lists if you want them.
>>
>> My cards are sorted by genre-named folders, mostly due to they came from
>> genre-named alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.(genresortednewsgroups) in the first
>> place. I play them shuffled so I don't get so bored listening to one
>> artist singing for long periods of time, like any good radio station.
>> Motorolas shuffle just fine, I guess. I seed the shuffle by starting it on
>> a different song with the fast forward/back buttons before leaving home.
>> After that, it pretty much takes care of itself playing a few thousand
>> songs in the non-existant "random playlist" the computer has created in its
>> imagination. I do change genres a few times a day, which are on different
>> cards that are regularly reburned completely. I have millions of files....
>> (c;]
>>
>> I simply cannot imagine having to deal with what ****** iTuneys convoluted
>> nonsense every time I want to reload 50K songs just to swap genres. How
>> stupid.
>>
>
> So, what you are saying here is that aside from fiddling with your cell
> phone, you don't have a lot to do in your life besides downloading
> bootlegged music and spending your day with earplugs in your ears?
>
>:>)

Pretty much.

How self-important these music cretins think they are.
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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:190520100147005359%
nospam@nospam.invalid:

> In article <41r6v5lbg30dm30hn68t5eepr4u9ms6c1u@4ax.com>, Paul Miner
> <pminer@elrancho.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the description and examples. I can see some value there,
>> but it's not something I'm interested in for myself. I prefer to
>> directly manage my music (the files/folder method) rather than having
>> an app for that.
>
> fair enough.
>

I can't remember the last time I searched out a specific song/artist, but
the Motorola music player dissects the ID3 tag on all the MP3s it finds on
any memory location in about 30 seconds, just once when you insert or
change cards. Once the online database has updated itself, the music
player has sorted Artist, song, album, genre lists if you want them.

My cards are sorted by genre-named folders, mostly due to they came from
genre-named alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.(genresortednewsgroups) in the first
place. I play them shuffled so I don't get so bored listening to one
artist singing for long periods of time, like any good radio station.
Motorolas shuffle just fine, I guess. I seed the shuffle by starting it on
a different song with the fast forward/back buttons before leaving home.
After that, it pretty much takes care of itself playing a few thousand
songs in the non-existant "random playlist" the computer has created in its
imagination. I do change genres a few times a day, which are on different
cards that are regularly reburned completely. I have millions of files....
(c;]

I simply cannot imagine having to deal with what ****** iTuneys convoluted
nonsense every time I want to reload 50K songs just to swap genres. How
stupid.

--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.

Larry

On Tue, 18 May 2010 21:23:55 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in <4bf367f7$0$1670$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:

>On 18/05/10 1:45 PM, nospam wrote:
>> In article<2em5v5tepclpni0eo65ma6iqve764qus5f@navasgr oup.com>, John
>> Navas<spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> But CDMA/LTE devices are a certainty, as it will take LTE at
>>>> least another year to be deployed at all of Verizon's cell sites.
>>>
>>> CDMA is not LTE.
>>
>> he likely means a cdma/lte combination. an lte-only phone is not viable
>> any time soon.
>
>It'd be trivial to drop a CDMA/LTE radio into an iPhone.

Not now it isn't.

--
Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>

If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do iFans keep making excuses for it?

On Tue, 18 May 2010 21:43:24 -0500, Paul Miner <pminer@elrancho.invalid>
wrote in <sij6v5d1qm5qlaqpsh3ct1d1favfi58m9o@4ax.com>:

>On Tue, 18 May 2010 22:17:24 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
>wrote:

>>what's archaic is manually managing thousands of songs. that's why
>>people have a computer, to let *it* do the grunt work. smart playlists
>>are a fantastic time saver.
>
>I find playlists to be clumsy and inflexible. For me, it's much more
>intuitive to just play what I want, when I want, without worrying
>whether I have a playlist or not.

Amen. I only put music I like on the memory card for my Android mobile,
and usually prefer to play by album or artist, neither of which requires
any playlist, which to me is a great time waster, not saver.

>>why is it so hard to understand that without a database, you can't
>>search for music very effectively. plus, how do you keep track of
>>what's on which card? sounds like a royal pain in the ***.
>
>Why would I need a database? That sounds like overkill for a simple
>task like listening to music. In fact, it sounds like a royal pain in
>the ***.

The iTunes database is an abomination that can all too easily get
corrupted / out of sync with the music library, resulting in songs
missing from the index and songs in the index missing from the library.
I've wasted more time fixing such problems for my non-technical friends
than I care to count.

Android needs no such nonsense. Real-time indexing of music takes only
a few seconds even with a 16GB memory card, and is never out of sync
with the library.

>>plus, most people don't have that much music. the best selling ipods
>>are the smaller capacity ones, not the largest. since people don't tend
>>to fill their ipods, there really isn't a need for swappable cards.
>
>One of the oft-heard positions from the apple community is that any
>feature which isn't available must therefore be undesirable. Since a
>person is unable to swap cards, it must therefore mean that swapping
>cards isn't a useful feature. Strange logic, eh?

Amen. "It's not a bug (limitation), it's a feature!"

Another cool thing I can do with an Android mobile and a memory card
that no iPhone can do: Put a memory card into my (high-quality) digital
camera and take pictures, then move the memory card to my Android mobile
and transmit those pictures over 3G or Wi-Fi. Has proven to be very
useful and handy.

--
Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>

If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do iFans keep making excuses for it?

On Tue, 18 May 2010 23:45:24 -0500, Paul Miner <pminer@elrancho.invalid>
wrote in <41r6v5lbg30dm30hn68t5eepr4u9ms6c1u@4ax.com>:

>On Tue, 18 May 2010 23:04:03 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <sij6v5d1qm5qlaqpsh3ct1d1favfi58m9o@4ax.com>, Paul Miner
>><pminer@elrancho.invalid> wrote:

>>> Why would I need a database? That sounds like overkill for a simple
>>> task like listening to music. In fact, it sounds like a royal pain in
>>> the ***.
>>
>>it's not anything you see. the database makes it very easy to search by
>>song title, artist, album, genre or composer (and on a computer, just
>>about any attribute of a song).

The database is on the computer, not the phone,

Android can easily search such things very rapidly without a database.

>>it's a lot more flexible than file/folder. the largest capacity ipod
>>can hold 40,000 songs. do you really want to manually manage that as
>>files and folders?? ugh.

Organizing music files is trivial, and I don't have to worry about
wasting huge amounts of time when a database gets corrupted.

>>it also makes it easy to track play counts, skip counts and song
>>ratings, so that a smart playlist can automatically update.

Those things don't matter to me -- I see them as more time wasters --
but if they matter to you, then you should use some sort of database.

>>one example is have a playlist of songs that haven't been played for
>>six months and copy 50 random songs from it to the ipod each time it's
>>synced. that way you'll always have something new to listen to, in
>>addition to your normal selection of music. rate a song with a 1 star
>>when you're listening to it and it will disappear on the next sync.
>>
>>very easy and significantly more flexible.

I can't imagine having any desire to do that.

When I want freshness I typically use Pandora,
which is so good I'm playing my recorded music less and less.

>Thanks for the description and examples. I can see some value there,
>but it's not something I'm interested in for myself. I prefer to
>directly manage my music (the files/folder method) rather than having
>an app for that.

There could easily be an Android app to do all that (and more, and it
may already exist for all I know) without having to deal with all the
drawbacks of (ugh) iTunes.

--
Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>

"If the only tool you have is a hammer, you will see every problem as a nail."
-Abraham Maslow