Re: FAQ: Who is John Navas, and why does he think he owns any newsgroup he chooses to claim he owns?

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:19:19 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> had a flock of green cheek conures squawk
out:

>Contributions, please.
>
>Eventually he'll have his own Wiki page we can reference.

Maybe he thinks that way since his name is in the control message for
the group?

ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/control/alt...ar.cingular.gz

Stephen
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-062C9E.06011205102006@nntp1.usenetserver.com...
> In article <lcs8i2tgj8k9rbjtq6qfl26jh24ca0jurr@4ax.com>,
> Stephen <yes@its.invalid> wrote:
>
>> >Contributions, please.
>> >
>> >Eventually he'll have his own Wiki page we can reference.
>>
>> Maybe he thinks that way since his name is in the control message for
>> the group?
>>
>> ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/control/alt...ar.cingular.gz
>
> So?
>
> The group is unmoderated.
>
> In addition, he violates the very "rules" that he insists others should
> follow. That's instant disqualification; if this were a moderated
> group, his participation would be low to none.

Again, I ask, who cares?

I got my cell phone working as a tethered modem because he took the time to
write good instructions.

Could I have found the information elsewhere? Of course. But I didn't. I
read his Wikibook, and learned quite a bit of useful information that helped
me in my daily life.

He never asked for anything in return. He spent his time selflessly helping
others.

I have another question. Has John Navas harmed you in some way? Is there
some facinating reason you have a problem with him?

CS

I have been wondering the same thing. Mr Navas seems to be very helpful to
many folks and I believe that he genuinely wants to help folks that are
Cingular phone users. Maybe there is some jealousy here? Maybe other folks
want to be king of this newsgroup and John Navas already has that position.
As Rodney King once said: "Why can't we all just get along?"?

"Cavity Search" <nothingvalidforyou@thistime.com> wrote in message
news:12iace619ria54@corp.supernews.com...
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
> news:elmop-062C9E.06011205102006@nntp1.usenetserver.com...
>> In article <lcs8i2tgj8k9rbjtq6qfl26jh24ca0jurr@4ax.com>,
>> Stephen <yes@its.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> >Contributions, please.
>>> >
>>> >Eventually he'll have his own Wiki page we can reference.
>>>
>>> Maybe he thinks that way since his name is in the control message for
>>> the group?
>>>
>>> ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/control/alt...ar.cingular.gz
>>
>> So?
>>
>> The group is unmoderated.
>>
>> In addition, he violates the very "rules" that he insists others should
>> follow. That's instant disqualification; if this were a moderated
>> group, his participation would be low to none.
>
> Again, I ask, who cares?
>
> I got my cell phone working as a tethered modem because he took the time
> to write good instructions.
>
> Could I have found the information elsewhere? Of course. But I didn't.
> I read his Wikibook, and learned quite a bit of useful information that
> helped me in my daily life.
>
> He never asked for anything in return. He spent his time selflessly
> helping others.
>
> I have another question. Has John Navas harmed you in some way? Is there
> some facinating reason you have a problem with him?
>
> CS
>

In article <12iace619ria54@corp.supernews.com>,
"Cavity Search" <nothingvalidforyou@thistime.com> wrote:

> I have another question. Has John Navas harmed you in some way? Is there
> some facinating reason you have a problem with him?

He posts bogus information about Cingular Corporate. Every single post
of his about the time of the ATTWS merger was total wishful thinking.

"Jackzwick" <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:jackzwick-B487A1.15462005102006@news.dallas.sbcglobal.net...
> In article <12iace619ria54@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Cavity Search" <nothingvalidforyou@thistime.com> wrote:
>
>> I have another question. Has John Navas harmed you in some way? Is
>> there
>> some facinating reason you have a problem with him?
>
> He posts bogus information about Cingular Corporate. Every single post
> of his about the time of the ATTWS merger was total wishful thinking.

I'll have to take your word on that, since I haven't a care in the world
about their business plan.

However, even if that is the case, how do you know he wasn't himself misled,
and how has it harmed Elmo?

Seems that Cingular itself is in the hot seat for their own misleading
antics. Is John Navas supposed to have super powers, like ESP, in order to
give accurate posts, when Cingular can't even tell it's customers the truth?

Has Elmo lost his fortune because of some stock deal that hinged on
information gleaned from a newsgroup? If so, then he deserves it, as does
anybody else.

Unfortunately, too many people are only capable of whining, complaining, and
accusing. Folks who try to help others are usually the targets of such
foolish behavior. Whenever they make a mistake, out the lizards come from
under their rock, pointing fingers and howling at the injustice.

This annoys me.

The only cure for this is to call these lizards out, see if they can match
the good the subjects of their taunts have done.

CS

"Cavity Search" <nothingvalidforyou@thistime.com> wrote in
news:12ibbupsabjar8a@corp.supernews.com:

> "Jackzwick" <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:jackzwick-B487A1.15462005102006@news.dallas.sbcglobal.net...
>> In article <12iace619ria54@corp.supernews.com>,
>> "Cavity Search" <nothingvalidforyou@thistime.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have another question. Has John Navas harmed you in some way? Is
>>> there
>>> some facinating reason you have a problem with him?
>>
>> He posts bogus information about Cingular Corporate. Every single
>> post of his about the time of the ATTWS merger was total wishful
>> thinking.
>
> I'll have to take your word on that, since I haven't a care in the
> world about their business plan.

You should be concerned if you pay them for service every month.


>
> However, even if that is the case, how do you know he wasn't himself
> misled, and how has it harmed Elmo?

Read his posts- he posts conjecture, opinion and bad guesses as factual
information. When he gets caught spouting misinformation he is never
man enough to admit it.


>
> Seems that Cingular itself is in the hot seat for their own misleading
> antics. Is John Navas supposed to have super powers, like ESP, in
> order to give accurate posts, when Cingular can't even tell it's
> customers the truth?


Nobody expectes ESP, but why comment on something he has absolutely no
knowledge of over and over and over again?


>
> Has Elmo lost his fortune because of some stock deal that hinged on
> information gleaned from a newsgroup? If so, then he deserves it, as
> does anybody else.
>
> Unfortunately, too many people are only capable of whining,
> complaining, and accusing. Folks who try to help others are usually
> the targets of such foolish behavior. Whenever they make a mistake,
> out the lizards come from under their rock, pointing fingers and
> howling at the injustice.


In this case, it's more like people come out and provide the correct
information, only to be confronted by the uneducated.

>
> This annoys me.
>
> The only cure for this is to call these lizards out, see if they can
> match the good the subjects of their taunts have done.

And how is your post is any better than what abhors you?

"Your name" <how.do@you.do> wrote in message
news:N9mdnRV-V44sU7jYnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@adelphia.com...
> "Cavity Search" <nothingvalidforyou@thistime.com> wrote in
> news:12ibbupsabjar8a@corp.supernews.com:
>
>> "Jackzwick" <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:jackzwick-B487A1.15462005102006@news.dallas.sbcglobal.net...
>>> In article <12iace619ria54@corp.supernews.com>,
>>> "Cavity Search" <nothingvalidforyou@thistime.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have another question. Has John Navas harmed you in some way? Is
>>>> there
>>>> some facinating reason you have a problem with him?
>>>
>>> He posts bogus information about Cingular Corporate. Every single
>>> post of his about the time of the ATTWS merger was total wishful
>>> thinking.
>>
>> I'll have to take your word on that, since I haven't a care in the
>> world about their business plan.
>
> You should be concerned if you pay them for service every month.

I fail to see how Cingular moving money around and putting different names
on paper is going to affect how I make a call. When I can't use the service
I pay for, then I get interested.

>> However, even if that is the case, how do you know he wasn't himself
>> misled, and how has it harmed Elmo?
>
> Read his posts- he posts conjecture, opinion and bad guesses as factual
> information. When he gets caught spouting misinformation he is never
> man enough to admit it.

You've described his posts as "conjecture, opinion and bad guesses."

Sounds a lot like the mainstream media, whether discussing actual 'news' or
the weather. It's most flagrant when they cover political issues.

>> Seems that Cingular itself is in the hot seat for their own misleading
>> antics. Is John Navas supposed to have super powers, like ESP, in
>> order to give accurate posts, when Cingular can't even tell it's
>> customers the truth?
>
>
> Nobody expectes ESP, but why comment on something he has absolutely no
> knowledge of over and over and over again?

Why do you, and others, read his posts, over, and over, and over again?

It's really easy to block messages from those you don't like. However, you,
and others, choose to read his posts, then complain about them. This
puzzles me.

>> Has Elmo lost his fortune because of some stock deal that hinged on
>> information gleaned from a newsgroup? If so, then he deserves it, as
>> does anybody else.
>>
>> Unfortunately, too many people are only capable of whining,
>> complaining, and accusing. Folks who try to help others are usually
>> the targets of such foolish behavior. Whenever they make a mistake,
>> out the lizards come from under their rock, pointing fingers and
>> howling at the injustice.
>
>
> In this case, it's more like people come out and provide the correct
> information, only to be confronted by the uneducated.
>
>>
>> This annoys me.
>>
>> The only cure for this is to call these lizards out, see if they can
>> match the good the subjects of their taunts have done.
>
> And how is your post is any better than what abhors you?

Abhor is a strong word, much more so than "annoy", which is what I wrote.

This is interesting. You claim Navas posts are inaccurate, but in just four
lines you decided to go from mere annoyance to abhor. Either you tried to
paraphrase, and got it wrong, or you exaggerated, and still got it wrong.

I'm not trying to attack you. If we weren't discussing inaccurate
information, I wouldn't even comment on it. However, as you can see,
anybody can make a mistake. Do you expect to be hounded around on
newsgroups?

CS

"Cavity Search" <nothingvalidforyou@thistime.com> wrote in
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> "Your name" <how.do@you.do> wrote in message
> news:N9mdnRV-V44sU7jYnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@adelphia.com...
>> "Cavity Search" <nothingvalidforyou@thistime.com> wrote in
>> news:12ibbupsabjar8a@corp.supernews.com:
>>

>>
>> You should be concerned if you pay them for service every month.
>
> I fail to see how Cingular moving money around and putting different
> names on paper is going to affect how I make a call. When I can't use
> the service I pay for, then I get interested.

What about paying less for that service, or potentially paying more due
to mismanagement of the company?


>
>>> However, even if that is the case, how do you know he wasn't himself
>>> misled, and how has it harmed Elmo?
>>
>> Read his posts- he posts conjecture, opinion and bad guesses as
>> factual information. When he gets caught spouting misinformation he
>> is never man enough to admit it.
>
> You've described his posts as "conjecture, opinion and bad guesses."
>
> Sounds a lot like the mainstream media, whether discussing actual
> 'news' or the weather. It's most flagrant when they cover political
> issues.


But unlike the mainstream media, I have provided the facts in those
instances where he got it wrong.

>

>>
>>
>> Nobody expectes ESP, but why comment on something he has absolutely
>> no knowledge of over and over and over again?
>
> Why do you, and others, read his posts, over, and over, and over
> again?

I don't read everything he posts and only reply in instances where he is
dead wrong. That would represent less than 20% of his total posts.


>
> It's really easy to block messages from those you don't like.
> However, you, and others, choose to read his posts, then complain
> about them. This puzzles me.


I could take that kind of selfish approach, but have decided that some
of the information could actually allow someone to make an uninformed
decision about carriers.

>

>>>
>>> The only cure for this is to call these lizards out, see if they can
>>> match the good the subjects of their taunts have done.
>>
>> And how is your post is any better than what abhors you?
>
> Abhor is a strong word, much more so than "annoy", which is what I
> wrote.
>
> This is interesting. You claim Navas posts are inaccurate, but in
> just four lines you decided to go from mere annoyance to abhor.
> Either you tried to paraphrase, and got it wrong, or you exaggerated,
> and still got it wrong.


OK.

>
> I'm not trying to attack you. If we weren't discussing inaccurate
> information, I wouldn't even comment on it. However, as you can see,
> anybody can make a mistake. Do you expect to be hounded around on
> newsgroups?
>

I would if I purposely misrepresented opinion as fact and was unable to
admit error.