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Old 04-06-2008, 08:19 AM
Ron
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Default Re: Hey, Oxford/Vic--WiFi everywhere? Say again?

On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:28:30 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

>Hey, Oxford/Vic--what was that you were saying about WiFi is everywhere,
>therefore there's no need to use cellular for internet access?
>
>Everywhere, right? That's what you said, right? I thought so.
>
>- - -
>
>Boston comes up short in Wi-Fi effort
>Funding slow; plans for wide reach delayed
>
>By Robert Weisman, Globe Staff | April 4, 2008
>The Boston Globe
>
>Boston's ambitious push to provide citywide wireless Internet access
>is faltering: Fund-raising is millions of dollars short, the
>volunteer heading the project may step down, and plans for universal
>coverage are being scaled back and delayed.
>
>The group leading the effort acknowledges that it has raised only
>"hundreds of thousands" of dollars instead of the nearly $15 million
>it sought. And unlike its initial pilot project, which blankets the
>Grove Hall neighborhood, the next phase will target only portions of
>the Fenway and Mission Hill.
>
>City leaders insisted they aren't backing away from their ultimate
>goal of Wi-Fi in every corner of Boston. Instead, they said, they're
>adjusting their expectations and abandoning their original timetable
>- which promised citywide access by 2008 - to refocus on a series of
>neighborhood "bubbles" that test technology and business models.
>
>...
>
>http://www.boston.com/business/techn...04/boston_come
>s_up_short_in_wi_fi_effort/



It may not be "everywhere", but in many cities it's more places than
3G is; with it's swiss cheese coverage.

WiFi (often free and open) can be found in Restaurants, Coffee Houses,
Libraries, book stores, Hotels, Malls, Hospitals, airports, colleges
and universities, sporting venues, suburbs, neighborhood bubbles.


http://www.auscillate.com/wireless/boston/

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Old 04-06-2008, 04:30 PM
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Default Re: Hey, Oxford/Vic--WiFi everywhere? Say again?

In article <oh1hv356akceakv4i2p5umsfo7ulhh3saq@4ax.com>, Ron
<ron.clifford@peoplepc.com> wrote:

> It may not be "everywhere", but in many cities it's more places than
> 3G is; with it's swiss cheese coverage.
>
> WiFi (often free and open) can be found in Restaurants, Coffee Houses,
> Libraries, book stores, Hotels, Malls, Hospitals, airports, colleges
> and universities, sporting venues, suburbs, neighborhood bubbles.


I see WiFi as a supplement to the phone data. The best of both world
would be 3G and WiFi as opposed to Edge and WiFi. That is why I am
waiting for the 3G iPhone. If I only wanted to do e-mail the Edge
iPhone would be good enough for me.

Also I think WiFi will be best for using at home and 3G everywhere
else. Even looking at that list you link to, it is not that long. There
may be a lot of places but it is not everywhere. And even when you have
free hotspots you still may have to do some kind of log on which can be
a pain. Most of the hot spots that people used to leave open were
because they probably didn't know better. These days most of those have
been locked.

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Old 04-06-2008, 07:13 PM
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On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:30:21 -0400, Charles <fort514@mac.com> wrote:

>In article <oh1hv356akceakv4i2p5umsfo7ulhh3saq@4ax.com>, Ron
><ron.clifford@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
>> It may not be "everywhere", but in many cities it's more places than
>> 3G is; with it's swiss cheese coverage.
>>
>> WiFi (often free and open) can be found in Restaurants, Coffee Houses,
>> Libraries, book stores, Hotels, Malls, Hospitals, airports, colleges
>> and universities, sporting venues, suburbs, neighborhood bubbles.

>
>I see WiFi as a supplement to the phone data. The best of both world
>would be 3G and WiFi as opposed to Edge and WiFi. That is why I am
>waiting for the 3G iPhone. If I only wanted to do e-mail the Edge
>iPhone would be good enough for me.
>
>Also I think WiFi will be best for using at home and 3G everywhere
>else. Even looking at that list you link to, it is not that long. There
>may be a lot of places but it is not everywhere. And even when you have
>free hotspots you still may have to do some kind of log on which can be
>a pain. Most of the hot spots that people used to leave open were
>because they probably didn't know better. These days most of those have
>been locked.



NOT AT ALL THE CASE.



Nope; last summer for instance when I was travelling between two
locations in Miami, I pulled into a McDonalds parking lot, and
instantly glomed onto their free WiFi, to send off a data file by
email. Took longer to boot up that to get online.

Then 2 months ago I stopped off at a DoubleTree hotel for a few
minutes, where their wifi is free and open in their lobby, sat down in
a posh leather chair, and onto the Internet I went.

WiFi may not be everywhere, but its availability is usually far more
predictable than 3G.

And if one has ATT dsl at home, many of the "pay WiFi" sites are free
with your ATT username and password if they are ATT sites.

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Old 04-06-2008, 07:48 PM
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In article <8r7iv3pge3f5cavqg6t7ndncmclhnq6o21@4ax.com>, Ron
<ron.clifford@peoplepc.com> wrote:

> WiFi may not be everywhere, but its availability is usually far more
> predictable than 3G.


Maybe for your life. I am on trains a significant amount of time and
there is no WiFi on the trains. Edge or 3g would be the only option. I
need both 3G and WiFi.

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Old 04-06-2008, 08:16 PM
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Charles wrote:

> In article <8r7iv3pge3f5cavqg6t7ndncmclhnq6o21@4ax.com>, Ron
> <ron.clifford@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
>
>>WiFi may not be everywhere, but its availability is usually far more
>>predictable than 3G.

>
>
> Maybe for your life. I am on trains a significant amount of time and
> there is no WiFi on the trains. Edge or 3g would be the only option. I
> need both 3G and WiFi.
>



.... or on aircraft, or on the highways while moving.

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Old 04-06-2008, 08:48 PM
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Per Charles:
>need both 3G and WiFi.


Is WiMax a "3G" network? Or is it a third type?
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Old 04-06-2008, 08:58 PM
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Default Re: Hey, Oxford/Vic--WiFi everywhere? Say again?

In article <godiv354ju58bd6abr94lhd39v3udoctdp@4ax.com>, PeteCresswell
<x@y.Invalid> wrote:

> Per Charles:
> >need both 3G and WiFi.

>
> Is WiMax a "3G" network? Or is it a third type?


I think it could be if a cellular company decided to use it that way.

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Old 04-06-2008, 10:40 PM
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"(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> wrote in
news:godiv354ju58bd6abr94lhd39v3udoctdp@4ax.com:

> Is WiMax a "3G" network? Or is it a third type?
>


4G

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Old 04-07-2008, 02:02 AM
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In article <Xns9A78C1341E49Bnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry
<noone@home.com> wrote:

> "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> wrote in
> news:godiv354ju58bd6abr94lhd39v3udoctdp@4ax.com:
>
> > Is WiMax a "3G" network? Or is it a third type?
> >

>
> 4G


Whatever you want to call it there is no WiMax availability. And the
first and only WiMax device was just announced. So real life wireless
data service is either WiFi at hotspots or one of the cellular flavors
of 3g or Edge. Both AT&T and Verizon plan to use LTE for their 4G. The
GSM world plans to use LTE.

Contrary to Ron, WiFi is not everywhere. It is only at hotspots. And
there is a cost at a lot of hotspots. The cellular data networks work
beyond hotspots, there are holes there too but at least you are not
tethered to a hot spot. So preferably you want a device with both WiFi
and with cellular data. Not WiMax because there is no available WiMax
network.

--
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Old 04-07-2008, 02:25 AM
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Charles <fort514@mac.com> wrote in news:060420082202329498%fort514@mac.com:

> Not WiMax because there is no available WiMax
> network.
>


The words change, but I've heard all this before amoung IMTS "Carphone"
users.

"Not Cellular because there is no available Cellular network."

I was one of the first in my city to install an AMPS cellular phone in my
car, right next to my IMTS "Carphone", at the time. Cellular only had two
towers with promises to install 2 more the day I bought it. The company
was Cellular One of Charleston (SC), which was bought by Cellular One then
GTE Wireless, which became, unfortunately, Verizon Wireless.

The Carphone guys said I was nuts. The damned thing only had a 10 mile
range from a 3W AMPS "spring" antenna.....unlike the 75 watt IMTS beast in
the trunk.


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Old 04-07-2008, 02:58 AM
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In article <Xns9A78E60402A1noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry
<noone@home.com> wrote:

> The words change, but I've heard all this before amoung IMTS "Carphone"
> users.
>
> "Not Cellular because there is no available Cellular network."


That is nice ******** but there is no available WiMax network now.
Until then it is vapor. Also read this article. WiMax is still up in
the air so to speak.

http://www.cellular-news.com/story/30280.php

--
Charles

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Old 04-07-2008, 03:33 AM
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Larry wrote:
> Charles <fort514@mac.com> wrote in news:060420082202329498%fort514@mac.com:
>
>> Not WiMax because there is no available WiMax
>> network.
>>

>
> The words change, but I've heard all this before amoung IMTS "Carphone"
> users.
>
> "Not Cellular because there is no available Cellular network."


The RCCs really took the high road on that. For those of you born
after the 50s, Radio Common Carriers were similar to the "B" side of
cellular channels reserved for carriers that do not offer incumbnet
land lines.

> The Carphone guys said I was nuts. The damned thing only had a 10 mile
> range from a 3W AMPS "spring" antenna.....unlike the 75 watt IMTS beast in
> the trunk.


That might have been a COAM unit (Customer Owned And Maintained) as
the stock Motorolas were only 25 watts after the VHF duplexer. I think
GE had a 70 watt unit with a Secode IMTS control head.


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Old 04-07-2008, 03:50 AM
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Charles <fort514@mac.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:060420082202329498%fort514@mac.com:

> In article <Xns9A78C1341E49Bnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry
> <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>> "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> wrote in
>> news:godiv354ju58bd6abr94lhd39v3udoctdp@4ax.com:
>>
>> > Is WiMax a "3G" network? Or is it a third type?
>> >

>>
>> 4G

>
> Whatever you want to call it there is no WiMax availability. And the
> first and only WiMax device was just announced. So real life wireless
> data service is either WiFi at hotspots or one of the cellular flavors
> of 3g or Edge. Both AT&T and Verizon plan to use LTE for their 4G. The
> GSM world plans to use LTE.


Whatever you want to call it there is no LTE availability. And there are
not any LTE devices announced. So real life wireless data service is either
WiFi at hotspots or one of the cellular flavors of 3g or Edge.

Be careful how you word things- as you can see, your own comments about
WimAx sound pretty stupid when your own "network of the future is
substituted."


And actually, WiMax has been rolled out in at least three major markets by
Sprint, although unannounced to the public. There is obviously some device
in production that can use it, as they have paying customers testing the
network and service.


>
> Contrary to Ron, WiFi is not everywhere. It is only at hotspots. And
> there is a cost at a lot of hotspots. The cellular data networks work
> beyond hotspots, there are holes there too but at least you are not
> tethered to a hot spot. So preferably you want a device with both WiFi
> and with cellular data. Not WiMax because there is no available WiMax
> network.
>


Nor LTE (that "Own comments sounding stupid" thing again)

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Old 04-07-2008, 03:53 AM
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Charles <fort514@mac.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:060420082258582627%fort514@mac.com:

> In article <Xns9A78E60402A1noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry
> <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>> The words change, but I've heard all this before amoung IMTS "Carphone"
>> users.
>>
>> "Not Cellular because there is no available Cellular network."

>
> That is nice ******** but there is no available WiMax network now.
> Until then it is vapor. Also read this article. WiMax is still up in
> the air so to speak.
>


Where is the up in the air part? Everything in the article points to a
summer launch, which would be on target for the timeline annouced when
Sprint made the decision to go with WiMax. Absolutely nothing about it
being up in the air.

> http://www.cellular-news.com/story/30280.php
>



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Old 04-07-2008, 04:10 AM
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In article <Xns9A78DE32188A0bob@216.196.97.136>, The Bob
<nospam@bob.com> wrote:

> Whatever you want to call it there is no LTE availability. And there are
> not any LTE devices announced. So real life wireless data service is either
> WiFi at hotspots or one of the cellular flavors of 3g or Edge.


That is what I said. Real life is hotspots and cellular flavors of 3G
and Edge.(You either have limited reading skills or some other agenda.)
The others including WiMax and LTE are only planned. I am not saying
there won't be WiMax. I am not predicting the success or failure of
either WiMax or LTE. I don't have any network of the future or support
one over the other. Time will tell if either is the network of the
future.

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Old 04-07-2008, 04:18 AM
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In article <Xns9A78DEBB1A854bob@216.196.97.136>, The Bob
<nospam@bob.com> wrote:

> Where is the up in the air part? Everything in the article points to a
> summer launch, which would be on target for the timeline annouced when
> Sprint made the decision to go with WiMax. Absolutely nothing about it
> being up in the air.


It was supposed to be launched in April. You didn't read the part about
it being delayed? Again low reading skills on your part. The up in the
air part was intended as humor but I guess that got by you.

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Old 04-07-2008, 04:31 AM
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Charles <fort514@mac.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:070420080018429689%fort514@mac.com:

> In article <Xns9A78DEBB1A854bob@216.196.97.136>, The Bob
> <nospam@bob.com> wrote:
>
>> Where is the up in the air part? Everything in the article points to a
>> summer launch, which would be on target for the timeline annouced when
>> Sprint made the decision to go with WiMax. Absolutely nothing about it
>> being up in the air.

>
> It was supposed to be launched in April. You didn't read the part about
> it being delayed? Again low reading skills on your part.


Sprint moved the time line up AFTER the announcement, as I quite clearly
stated above. It would appear that it is your ability to read that is at
question.

>The up in the
> air part was intended as humor but I guess that got by you.
>


Careful- you'll hurt yourself if you keep putting on the brakes like that-
there was no attmept at humor present, Chuckie.

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Old 04-07-2008, 09:45 AM
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At 06 Apr 2008 14:13:03 -0500 Ron wrote:

> Then 2 months ago I stopped off at a DoubleTree hotel for a few
> minutes, where their wifi is free and open in their lobby, sat down in
> a posh leather chair, and onto the Internet I went.
>
> WiFi may not be everywhere, but its availability is usually far more
> predictable than 3G.



Maybe, but where there's no 3G, you fallback to 2G. Where there's no free
WiFi, what do you fall back on? An unoccupied phone jack?


> And if one has ATT dsl at home, many of the "pay WiFi" sites are free
> with your ATT username and password if they are ATT sites.



If 3G coverage is Swiss Cheese, WiFi has more holes than a sponge. Again,
counting 2G backup, cellular coverage is virtually seamless, at least
compared to WiFi.



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Old 04-07-2008, 10:49 AM
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On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:02:32 -0400, Charles <fort514@mac.com>
misrfepresented:

>In article <Xns9A78C1341E49Bnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry
><noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>> "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> wrote in
>> news:godiv354ju58bd6abr94lhd39v3udoctdp@4ax.com:
>>
>> > Is WiMax a "3G" network? Or is it a third type?
>> >

>>
>> 4G

>
>Whatever you want to call it there is no WiMax availability. And the
>first and only WiMax device was just announced. So real life wireless
>data service is either WiFi at hotspots or one of the cellular flavors
>of 3g or Edge. Both AT&T and Verizon plan to use LTE for their 4G. The
>GSM world plans to use LTE.
>
>Contrary to Ron, WiFi is not everywhere. It is only at hotspots. And
>there is a cost at a lot of hotspots. The cellular data networks work
>beyond hotspots, there are holes there too but at least you are not
>tethered to a hot spot. So preferably you want a device with both WiFi
>and with cellular data. Not WiMax because there is no available WiMax
>network.



Not what I said: Here is exactly what I said:


"WiFi may not be everywhere, but its availability is usually far more
predictable than 3G."

WiFi is free and available at ever more places. Those who 2 years ago
decided it wasn't need to try again.

AND As I also said,

"WiFi (often free and open) can be found in Restaurants, Coffee
Houses, Libraries, book stores, Hotels, Malls, Hospitals, airports,
colleges and universities, sporting venues, suburbs, neighborhood
bubbles."

But I agree, a device with WiFi and 3G would satisfy most everyone.
Just wait 6 weeks for iPhone 2.

Neither WiFi or 3G is perfect as WiFi may not be free and open
or available the one spot you are currently trying, or
3G may manifest "Network Not Available" or drop down to Edge
or may not be available at the one spot you are currently trying
especially if you are too far from the main arteries of wherever you
are, as thats where the preponderance of towers are located.

Certainly 4G at 700 Mhz is much to be desired, AT&T and Verizon just
spent BIG BUCKS for 700 MHz spectrum In 5 years any disagreements of
WiFi vs 3G will seem silly.

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Old 04-07-2008, 11:16 AM
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DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote in news:FDgKj.891$V14.255
@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com:

> That might have been a COAM unit (Customer Owned And Maintained) as
> the stock Motorolas were only 25 watts after the VHF duplexer. I think
> GE had a 70 watt unit with a Secode IMTS control head.
>
>


We had some running 125 watts on Dialpage's system. They had 4 channels
and Bell$outh had the other 4 channels. Not sure whos transceivers they
were.

I could get nearly 80 miles up the road in this flat country before losing
the call.

Before IMTS, I had a Motorola 2-way in the trunk tied to a manually
operated answering service which had operators do the interconnects.
Toumey's Answering Service, Sumter, SC. It was the best service because of
the live operators. When someone called my business, she answered the call
as if I were IBM, all very professional. Callers could leave a message if
I wasn't checked in and she would blow my car horn to signal me, much to
the dismay of the other shoppers in the parking lot. Cars didn't blow
their own horns in those days like today...(c;

Toumey's had 2 channels, so we did some waiting during rush hour, but the
price of interconnect time kept the conversations short from chit chat,
except for the real estate millionaires who didn't care. It didn't do you
any good to ***** at them because it was half duplex with 2 freqs and other
cars couldn't hear you. We did have a free 3rd channel for calling other
cars, once the operator contacted them and we both switched channels off
the telephone/operator channels. Considering its low technology, it was a
great service, very personal.


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Old 04-07-2008, 11:24 AM
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Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
news:ftcrde$por$1@aioe.org:

> If 3G coverage is Swiss Cheese, WiFi has more holes than a sponge.
> Again, counting 2G backup, cellular coverage is virtually seamless, at
> least compared to WiFi.
>
>


3G is solid across Eastern SC, even in the boondocks on Alltel. ATT has no
3G installed here, but it wouldn't matter as their PCS doesn't work in the
country 2 miles away from the interstates. Sprint PCS only works because
it switches to Verizon.

I drive through the country streaming cowboy music from KSEY in Seymour,
TX, using Streamtuner on my Linux tablet bluetoothed to my MotoROKR Z6m on
Alltel. The only time it drops is when I cross from the Charleston system
into the Columbia system and that reassigns my IP and I have to call the
station back, one click.

Too bad the sellphone MAC isn't tied to an IP. Every time it drops with
the webcam running on the tablet, I have to email the users with my new IP
to reconnect to. Some day, Skype will get off its *** and interface the
tablets' webcams so that will automate that.




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Old 04-07-2008, 11:25 AM
Larry
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Ron <ron.clifford@peoplepc.com> wrote in
news:u6ujv31q70u1tgcjmpa51iefbq2jm32ej9@4ax.com:

> But I agree, a device with WiFi and 3G would satisfy most everyone.
> Just wait 6 weeks for iPhone 2.
>
>


What difference will that make on ATT?? ATT doesn't have the
infrastructure to support it.


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Old 04-07-2008, 11:58 AM
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On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:25:48 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

>Ron <ron.clifford@peoplepc.com> wrote in
>news:u6ujv31q70u1tgcjmpa51iefbq2jm32ej9@4ax.com :
>
>> But I agree, a device with WiFi and 3G would satisfy most everyone.
>> Just wait 6 weeks for iPhone 2.
>>
>>

>
>What difference will that make on ATT?? ATT doesn't have the
>infrastructure to support it.



Depends where you are - Montana? you're correct. Any of the top 20
cities, 3G is almost complete.

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Old 04-07-2008, 03:54 PM
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My tower construction took me all over the place, I had both
an eleven MTS/IMTS phone on SWBell and a seven channel RCC.

If I didn't answer my phone, the RCC operators would call all
all the places they knew I hung out playing Defenders video game.

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Old 04-08-2008, 02:42 AM
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Ron <ron.clifford@peoplepc.com> wrote in
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> Any of the top 20
> cities


Ah, the main "targets", for lots more than sellphone companies...


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Old 04-08-2008, 02:57 AM
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Default Re: Hey, Oxford/Vic--WiFi everywhere? Say again?

DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote in news:kurKj.481$%41.348
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> My tower construction took me all over the place, I had both
> an eleven MTS/IMTS phone on SWBell and a seven channel RCC.
>
> If I didn't answer my phone, the RCC operators would call all
> all the places they knew I hung out playing Defenders video game.
>


Great phone service, wireless or otherwise, has gone all to **** with
the invention of the computer controlled by corporate greed.

When I was growing up in Moravia, NY, in the 1950-60s, we had a manual
phone system run by operators. Our number was 22-M (Circuit 22, M=40 Hz
ringing frequency so it wouldn't disturb the neighbors who were 22-J (80
Hz, I think, anyway a different ringing frequency). Private numbers
like Rob Munn's was 6....his whole phone number.

(Lift Receiver)

"Number Please...."

"Six"

(ringing buzzes as she pushed the lever to ring Rob's phone.)

When there was trouble, this system was second to none.

(Lift receiver)

"Number please....."

"Blanche, Tucker's barn on Mill Rd is on fire."

Having the fire siren switch on her console, it was winding up for the
first call before she said, "Thanks. I'll put out the alarm. Shall I
send Doc Yarington (humans) or Doc Sweathouse (vet)?"

Blanche knew the exact location of all important, and not-so-important
people of the town at all times. Her relief operators all did, too.

"Blanche, my mothers awful sick, where's Doc Yarington?", would result
in you speaking to whatever farm house the Doc was visiting at this
instance. Blanche would call for the doctor to the phone you were
already connected to so she'd know where he was going, your house or his
office (our only medical facility) first. She'd stay on the line
listening to see if the Three Town Ambulance needed to be notified.

No "system" has worked that good since. It was installed in the town in
the 1920's. The basement had mercury vapor rectifiers and massive
battery banks of Edison Cells (Nickel-Iron-Calcium Hydroxide) to power
it when the rectifiers went dead. The hum went away when we had no
power...(c;

Moravia was one of the last manual systems on NY Bell and went straight
to TouchTones (r) in the late 1960s or early 1970s after I went in the
Navy. The town never had a rotary dial telephone system!

........."Doc is taking a nap. If this is important I'll wake him,
now"....(c;

What a great place to grow up in....(c;

Seven stores got broken into by some thieves passing through. They got
almost 17 dollars!

Ok....back to arguing over the stupidest sellphones....

Sorry.....


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