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Old 02-29-2008, 08:36 PM
Larry
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"P.Schuman" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in
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> Tinman wrote:
>> P.Schuman wrote:
>>> with all the chatter about iPhone and some lost revenuing sharing
>>> due to unlocked phones being used on other carriers besides ATT
>>> I was wondering ----
>>>
>>> What frequency spectrum & air interface protocol does the iPhone
>>> utilize that matches up with other potential carriers ?

>>
>> It's a standard GSM four-band (world) phone. Ergo, it operates on
>> 850, 900, 1800, and 1900 MHz.
>>

>
> SO... for domestic US users, the choice would only be ATT (gsm) or
> T-Mobile (gsm)
> while the global (gsm) market would offer more choices...
>
> Just curious, as some of the financial chatter about AT&T and Apple
> have indicated that Apple would loose a lot of revenue if these phones
> appear on other carriers - and then Apple would not receive their ATT
> shared revenue.
> ie - the "sold" numbers from Apple vs the "activated" numbers from ATT
> indicate a disconnect and therefore the delta is the "unlocked" world.
>
>


iPhone only uses EDGE, not 3G, for internet, so that would limit its use
and attractiveness in most other places, like Europe for instance, where
users are used to the much higher speeds of 3G broadband, instead of just-
a-little-faster-than-dialup of EDGE. It'll work on the GSM as a sellphone,
but not on 3G as a high speed internet device...........yet.

That's why it doesn't sell well in European markets, cracked or
uncracked....besides being hobbled, of course, into a WebTV device.




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Old 02-29-2008, 08:39 PM
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Tinman wrote:
> P.Schuman wrote:
>> with all the chatter about iPhone and some lost revenuing sharing
>> due to unlocked phones being used on other carriers besides ATT
>> I was wondering ----
>>
>> What frequency spectrum & air interface protocol does the iPhone
>> utilize that matches up with other potential carriers ?

>
> It's a standard GSM four-band (world) phone. Ergo, it operates on
> 850, 900, 1800, and 1900 MHz.
>


SO... for domestic US users, the choice would only be ATT (gsm) or T-Mobile
(gsm)
while the global (gsm) market would offer more choices...

Just curious, as some of the financial chatter about AT&T and Apple
have indicated that Apple would loose a lot of revenue if these phones
appear on other carriers - and then Apple would not receive their ATT shared
revenue.
ie - the "sold" numbers from Apple vs the "activated" numbers from ATT
indicate a disconnect and therefore the delta is the "unlocked" world.



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Old 02-29-2008, 09:05 PM
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On 2008-02-29, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> iPhone only uses EDGE, not 3G, for internet, so that would limit its use
> and attractiveness in most other places, like Europe for instance, where
> users are used to the much higher speeds of 3G broadband, instead of just-
> a-little-faster-than-dialup of EDGE. It'll work on the GSM as a sellphone,
> but not on 3G as a high speed internet device...........yet.
>
> That's why it doesn't sell well in European markets, cracked or
> uncracked....besides being hobbled, of course, into a WebTV device.


That also might have something to do with why it seems to sell
so fantastically well in China, where Edge is currently as good
as it gets. If China Mobile's numbers can be trusted there are more
hacked iPhones in use in China than there are unhacked iPhones signed
up for service in the European countries where it is available.

Dennis Ferguson

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Old 02-29-2008, 09:09 PM
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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:39:44 -0600, "P.Schuman"
<pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote:

>SO... for domestic US users, the choice would only be ATT (gsm) or T-Mobile
>(gsm)


Or Suncom.

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Old 02-29-2008, 10:15 PM
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Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote in
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> On 2008-02-29, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>> iPhone only uses EDGE, not 3G, for internet, so that would limit its
>> use and attractiveness in most other places, like Europe for
>> instance, where users are used to the much higher speeds of 3G
>> broadband, instead of just- a-little-faster-than-dialup of EDGE.
>> It'll work on the GSM as a sellphone, but not on 3G as a high speed
>> internet device...........yet.
>>
>> That's why it doesn't sell well in European markets, cracked or
>> uncracked....besides being hobbled, of course, into a WebTV device.

>
> That also might have something to do with why it seems to sell
> so fantastically well in China, where Edge is currently as good
> as it gets. If China Mobile's numbers can be trusted there are more
> hacked iPhones in use in China than there are unhacked iPhones signed
> up for service in the European countries where it is available.
>
> Dennis Ferguson
>


I'd believe that. Chinese hackers are some of the finest in the world. If
you had to watch Communist TV, you'd be coding, too!....(c;


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Old 02-29-2008, 11:18 PM
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In <94tgs3p8vghpfaabjc6rnsn70vhu5u88kc@4ax.com> The Ghost of General Lee <ghost@general.lee> writes:

>On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:39:44 -0600, "P.Schuman"
><pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote:


>>SO... for domestic US users, the choice would only be ATT (gsm) or T-Mobile
>>(gsm)


>Or Suncom.


Or Dobson. Or Constoga.

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Old 02-29-2008, 11:24 PM
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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, danny burstein posted:
>>> SO... for domestic US users, the choice would only be ATT (gsm) or T-Mobile
>>> (gsm)

>> Or Suncom.

> Or Dobson. Or Constoga.


Dobson is now part of ATT.

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Old 03-01-2008, 04:30 AM
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Mark Crispin wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, danny burstein posted:
>>>> SO... for domestic US users, the choice would only be ATT (gsm) or
>>>> T-Mobile
>>>> (gsm)
>>> Or Suncom.

>> Or Dobson. Or Constoga.

>
> Dobson is now part of ATT.
>

or Advantage, or Aradigm or Alaska Wireless or Alltel or CellularOne or
ANW or Arctic Slope Cooperative or CT Cube or Caprock Celluar or
Centennial or West Central Wireless or Chariton Valley or Amerilink or
Cincinnati Bell or Coleman or Commnet or Concho or Convoy or Cordova or
Corr or MBO or BigFoot or ...

depending on where you live and work, you could have allotta choices!
Regards

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Old 03-01-2008, 06:52 AM
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Gordon Huff wrote:
> Mark Crispin wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, danny burstein posted:
>>>>> SO... for domestic US users, the choice would only be ATT (gsm) or
>>>>> T-Mobile
>>>>> (gsm)
>>>> Or Suncom.
>>> Or Dobson. Or Constoga.

>>
>> Dobson is now part of ATT.
>>

> or Advantage, or Aradigm or Alaska Wireless or Alltel or CellularOne
> or ANW or Arctic Slope Cooperative or CT Cube or Caprock Celluar or
> Centennial or West Central Wireless or Chariton Valley or Amerilink or
> Cincinnati Bell or Coleman or Commnet or Concho or Convoy or Cordova
> or Corr or MBO or BigFoot or ...
>
> depending on where you live and work, you could have allotta choices!
> Regards


Yeah, I guess -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...hone_companies
Was originally thinking of just the major players...
Wonder if the registered ESN has any "company" related info, like an
Ethernet MAC ?




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Old 03-01-2008, 09:47 AM
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On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 04:30:00 GMT, Gordon Huff
<wa6fmx@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Alltel


The iPhone works on Alltel???


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Old 03-01-2008, 04:51 PM
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Gordon Huff, did transcribed the following::
> Mark Crispin wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, danny burstein posted:
>>>>> SO... for domestic US users, the choice would only be ATT (gsm) or
>>>>> T-Mobile
>>>>> (gsm)
>>>> Or Suncom.
>>> Or Dobson. Or Constoga.

>>
>> Dobson is now part of ATT.
>>

> or Advantage, or Aradigm or Alaska Wireless or Alltel or CellularOne
> or ANW or Arctic Slope Cooperative or CT Cube or Caprock Celluar or
> Centennial or West Central Wireless or Chariton Valley or Amerilink or
> Cincinnati Bell or Coleman or Commnet or Concho or Convoy or Cordova
> or Corr or MBO or BigFoot or ...
>
> depending on where you live and work, you could have allotta choices!
> Regards


I believe that all those above use the AT&T (I think its there
backbone?) service.
Or any vendor that has a service agreement with AT&T to handle
sellphones using the
ATT network.


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Old 03-02-2008, 04:45 PM
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The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 04:30:00 GMT, Gordon Huff
> <wa6fmx@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>> Alltel

>
> The iPhone works on Alltel???
>


I don't have an iPhone and I don't live in Alltel territory so I can't
answer this question directly. I was suggesting that there are more GSM
carriers in the US than ATT and T-Mobile.
Regards, Gordon


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Old 03-02-2008, 05:04 PM
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JDa™© wrote:

>> SO... for domestic US users, the choice would only be ATT (gsm) or
>> T-Mobile gsm)


>> or Advantage, or Aradigm or Alaska Wireless or Alltel or CellularOne
>> or ANW or Arctic Slope Cooperative or CT Cube or Caprock Celluar or
>> Centennial or West Central Wireless or Chariton Valley or Amerilink or
>> Cincinnati Bell or Coleman or Commnet or Concho or Convoy or Cordova
>> or Corr or MBO or BigFoot or ...
>>
>> depending on where you live and work, you could have allotta choices!
>> Regards

>
> I believe that all those above use the AT&T (I think its there
> backbone?) service.


No. "Backbone" service is something different - MCI might be the biggest
player. This list from GSMWorld has flaws ... some companies have
promised service and not delivered yet .. others have died or gone away.
Last time I counted there we 58 such GSM companies in the US. Maybe 30
are active. An iPhone user needs a carrier account - connecting to a
"backbone" is something different.

> Or any vendor that has a service agreement with AT&T to handle
> sellphones using the
> ATT network.
>

I think there are about 65 Mobile Virtual Network Operators or are you
talking about roaming agreements? I think ATT claims 192 or so roaming
agreements around the world.
Regards, Gordon

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Old 03-02-2008, 05:47 PM
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On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:45:58 GMT, Gordon Huff
<wa6fmx@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
>> On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 04:30:00 GMT, Gordon Huff
>> <wa6fmx@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Alltel

>>
>> The iPhone works on Alltel???
>>

>
>I don't have an iPhone and I don't live in Alltel territory so I can't
>answer this question directly. I was suggesting that there are more GSM
>carriers in the US than ATT and T-Mobile.


Alltel is a CDMA carrier.


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Old 03-02-2008, 08:37 PM
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Mark Crispin wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, danny burstein posted:
>>>> SO... for domestic US users, the choice would only be ATT (gsm) or
>>>> T-Mobile
>>>> (gsm)
>>> Or Suncom.

>> Or Dobson. Or Constoga.

>
> Dobson is now part of ATT.
>
> -- Mark --
>
> http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
> Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
> Si vis pacem, para bellum.

and suncom is now part of t-mobile.
http://suncom.com/support/tMobileMerger.jsp

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Old 03-03-2008, 02:25 AM
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The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:45:58 GMT, Gordon Huff
> <wa6fmx@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>> The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
>>> On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 04:30:00 GMT, Gordon Huff
>>> <wa6fmx@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alltel
>>> The iPhone works on Alltel???
>>>

>> I don't have an iPhone and I don't live in Alltel territory so I can't
>> answer this question directly. I was suggesting that there are more GSM
>> carriers in the US than ATT and T-Mobile.

>
> Alltel is a CDMA carrier.
>


According to GSMWorld (and Howardforums) Alltel offers GSM service to
roaming customers. If you were absolutely determined to run your iPhone
on Alltel ... you would set it up on some other carrier and go someplace
where Alltel provides roaming access to that carrier.

This begs the question 'can you get the data service you need while
roaming." You could certainly make phone calls over Alltel with any GSM
phone while roaming as I describe.
Regards, Gordon

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Old 03-04-2008, 02:52 PM
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P.Schuman wrote in alt.cellular.verizon

> Gordon Huff wrote:
>> Mark Crispin wrote:
>>> On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, danny burstein posted:
>>>>>> SO... for domestic US users, the choice would only be ATT (gsm) or
>>>>>> T-Mobile
>>>>>> (gsm)
>>>>> Or Suncom.
>>>> Or Dobson. Or Constoga.
>>>
>>> Dobson is now part of ATT.
>>>

>> or Advantage, or Aradigm or Alaska Wireless or Alltel or CellularOne
>> or ANW or Arctic Slope Cooperative or CT Cube or Caprock Celluar or
>> Centennial or West Central Wireless or Chariton Valley or Amerilink or
>> Cincinnati Bell or Coleman or Commnet or Concho or Convoy or Cordova
>> or Corr or MBO or BigFoot or ...
>>
>> depending on where you live and work, you could have allotta choices!
>> Regards

>
> Yeah, I guess -
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...hone_companies
> Was originally thinking of just the major players...
> Wonder if the registered ESN has any "company" related info, like an
> Ethernet MAC ?


GSM phones do not use ESN's. They have IMEI numbers, but all tracking and
connection info is provided by sims, which can, and are, moved from phone
to phone.
When you unlock a GSM phone you are actually allowing the phone to accept
sims from different carriers.

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