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Old 09-27-2006, 12:01 AM
darin@usa.net
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I'm confused about this also. I went into a store early on,
and the rep quickly told me that the new SIM card wouldn't
work on my phone. So I ignored the issue, but it didn't stop
the messages and warning. I've gotten text messages, a
letter in the mail, and even having an automated machine phone
me up twice.

I have a nice phone, Nokia 6230. The letter in the mail said
that if the SIM card doesn't work, they'll replace my phone
with an entry level phone. That's a ripoff. I like my phone,
and I don't want a cheap low end replacement (and the
attitude that I should be grateful for this generosity didn't
endear me to them). The phone isn't even two years old
yet; that's still new in my view. It sounds like forced
obsolescence.

So what happens if I don't go with a cheap phone replacement?
Nothing says "your phone will stop working but we'll continue
to charge you", it just says "interrupted service" or something
vague like that. If it means I can't get access to new service
areas or towers, I can live with that; but if they're tearing down
old towers and replacing them, then I've got to go shopping.

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Old 09-27-2006, 12:32 AM
Jim Lange
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Do NOT get a new SIM card. The Nokia 6230 will do wierd things with the 64K
3G card in it. Like continuously power off/on or corrupt your phone book.
Your phone will not benefit from the larger card as it has no clue about ENS
or how to even use the extra 32K of memory. If you activate a new card they
will not be able to supply you with an older 32K card and your phone will
become a paperweight.

Jim

<darin@usa.net> wrote in message
news:1159315280.239934.164660@d34g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> I'm confused about this also. I went into a store early on,
> and the rep quickly told me that the new SIM card wouldn't
> work on my phone. So I ignored the issue, but it didn't stop
> the messages and warning. I've gotten text messages, a
> letter in the mail, and even having an automated machine phone
> me up twice.
>
> I have a nice phone, Nokia 6230. The letter in the mail said
> that if the SIM card doesn't work, they'll replace my phone
> with an entry level phone. That's a ripoff. I like my phone,
> and I don't want a cheap low end replacement (and the
> attitude that I should be grateful for this generosity didn't
> endear me to them). The phone isn't even two years old
> yet; that's still new in my view. It sounds like forced
> obsolescence.
>
> So what happens if I don't go with a cheap phone replacement?
> Nothing says "your phone will stop working but we'll continue
> to charge you", it just says "interrupted service" or something
> vague like that. If it means I can't get access to new service
> areas or towers, I can live with that; but if they're tearing down
> old towers and replacing them, then I've got to go shopping.
>
> --
> Darin Johnson
>




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Old 10-12-2006, 04:33 AM
djpiebob@gmail.com
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i'm also loath to get the new sim card although i've received two
letters and two voicemail spams about it. however, i recently started
having serious problems sending {sms|mms]/emails, and tonight it fails
completely, every time. i'm wondering if this is directly related to
some change cingular is making that requires the new card...?

i've got a nokia 6102.

-pie



Jim Lange wrote:
> Do NOT get a new SIM card. The Nokia 6230 will do wierd things with the 64K
> 3G card in it. Like continuously power off/on or corrupt your phone book.
> Your phone will not benefit from the larger card as it has no clue about ENS
> or how to even use the extra 32K of memory. If you activate a new card they
> will not be able to supply you with an older 32K card and your phone will
> become a paperweight.
>
> Jim
>
> <darin@usa.net> wrote in message
> news:1159315280.239934.164660@d34g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> > I'm confused about this also. I went into a store early on,
> > and the rep quickly told me that the new SIM card wouldn't
> > work on my phone. So I ignored the issue, but it didn't stop
> > the messages and warning. I've gotten text messages, a
> > letter in the mail, and even having an automated machine phone
> > me up twice.
> >
> > I have a nice phone, Nokia 6230. The letter in the mail said
> > that if the SIM card doesn't work, they'll replace my phone
> > with an entry level phone. That's a ripoff. I like my phone,
> > and I don't want a cheap low end replacement (and the
> > attitude that I should be grateful for this generosity didn't
> > endear me to them). The phone isn't even two years old
> > yet; that's still new in my view. It sounds like forced
> > obsolescence.
> >
> > So what happens if I don't go with a cheap phone replacement?
> > Nothing says "your phone will stop working but we'll continue
> > to charge you", it just says "interrupted service" or something
> > vague like that. If it means I can't get access to new service
> > areas or towers, I can live with that; but if they're tearing down
> > old towers and replacing them, then I've got to go shopping.
> >
> > --
> > Darin Johnson
> >



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Old 10-12-2006, 06:24 AM
John Navas
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On 11 Oct 2006 21:33:39 -0700, djpiebob@gmail.com wrote in
<1160627619.721467.125560@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups .com>:

>i'm also loath to get the new sim card although i've received two
>letters and two voicemail spams about it. however, i recently started
>having serious problems sending {sms|mms]/emails, and tonight it fails
>completely, every time. i'm wondering if this is directly related to
>some change cingular is making that requires the new card...?


Almost certainly not.

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John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

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Old 10-12-2006, 03:01 PM
Ernie Klein
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In article <hrnri2dhsqm67f4vdtb67cejiomeco8c1j@4ax.com>,
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> On 11 Oct 2006 21:33:39 -0700, djpiebob@gmail.com wrote in
> <1160627619.721467.125560@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups .com>:
>
> >i'm also loath to get the new sim card although i've received two
> >letters and two voicemail spams about it. however, i recently started
> >having serious problems sending {sms|mms]/emails, and tonight it fails
> >completely, every time. i'm wondering if this is directly related to
> >some change cingular is making that requires the new card...?

>
> Almost certainly not.


I have also received several letters saying I need to upgrade the sim in
two of my older Nokia phones.

Yesterday I got a letter marked "Urgent" that had a sim enclosed and
said that if I don't upgrade I may have "service interruptions". (The
letter mentioned the phone numbers of both phones, but they only
enclosed one sim.)

If it doesn't affect the operation of my phones, and so far it hasn't,
they why is Cingular is trying so hard to get me to upgrade?

What's in it for them?

And is there any _downside_ if I do as they want and upgrade the sims?

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Old 10-12-2006, 03:58 PM
John Navas
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:01:58 -0700, Ernie Klein <ecklein@pacbell.net>
wrote in <ecklein-9E1585.08015712102006@news.newsguy.com>:

>In article <hrnri2dhsqm67f4vdtb67cejiomeco8c1j@4ax.com>,
> John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11 Oct 2006 21:33:39 -0700, djpiebob@gmail.com wrote in
>> <1160627619.721467.125560@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups .com>:
>>
>> >i'm also loath to get the new sim card although i've received two
>> >letters and two voicemail spams about it. however, i recently started
>> >having serious problems sending {sms|mms]/emails, and tonight it fails
>> >completely, every time. i'm wondering if this is directly related to
>> >some change cingular is making that requires the new card...?

>>
>> Almost certainly not.

>
>I have also received several letters saying I need to upgrade the sim in
>two of my older Nokia phones.
>
>Yesterday I got a letter marked "Urgent" that had a sim enclosed and
>said that if I don't upgrade I may have "service interruptions". (The
>letter mentioned the phone numbers of both phones, but they only
>enclosed one sim.)
>
>If it doesn't affect the operation of my phones, and so far it hasn't,
>they why is Cingular is trying so hard to get me to upgrade?
>
>What's in it for them?


Better supports the network integration.
More consistent control of mobile devices.

>And is there any _downside_ if I do as they want and upgrade the sims?


No real downside other than some rare compatibility problems.

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John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

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