Re: AT&T to limit unlimited data plans to 5GB a month?

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:00:36 -0800 (PST), 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com>
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>Rumor at link
>AT&T to limit unlimited data plans to 5GB a month?
>
>http://www.intomobile.com/2008/01/11...comment-137311

You left out the part of the RUMOR that this would just apply to NEW
CHEAPER "unlimited" data plans, and that NO OVERAGE would be billed.

[yawn]

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On Jan 12, 9:20 am, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:00:36 -0800 (PST), 4phun <vic.hea...@gmail.com>
> wrote in
> <9fdf0d46-4f4b-4761-b56b-11c8a502f...@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com>:
>
> >Rumor at link
> >AT&T to limit unlimited data plans to 5GB a month?
>
> >http://www.intomobile.com/2008/01/11...ited-data-plan...
>
> You left out the part of the RUMOR that this would just apply to NEW
> CHEAPER "unlimited" data plans, and that NO OVERAGE would be billed.
>
> [yawn]
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John, I saw that. The point is that they are preparing to limit data
usage in an 'unlimited plan' which I think is a bad thing. And the
cheaper part is that they are stripping out text messaging and
charging more for that.

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 06:34:04 -0800 (PST), 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com>
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>On Jan 12, 9:20 am, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:00:36 -0800 (PST), 4phun <vic.hea...@gmail.com>
>> wrote in
>> <9fdf0d46-4f4b-4761-b56b-11c8a502f...@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com>:
>>
>> >Rumor at link
>> >AT&T to limit unlimited data plans to 5GB a month?
>>
>> >http://www.intomobile.com/2008/01/11...ited-data-plan...
>>
>> You left out the part of the RUMOR that this would just apply to NEW
>> CHEAPER "unlimited" data plans, and that NO OVERAGE would be billed.
>>
>> [yawn]

>John, I saw that. The point is that they are preparing to limit data
>usage in an 'unlimited plan' which I think is a bad thing. And the
>cheaper part is that they are stripping out text messaging and
>charging more for that.

The cheaper part might well apply to any "soft cap" as well.
It's all just speculation.

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"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 06:34:04 -0800 (PST), 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com>
> wrote in
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>
>>On Jan 12, 9:20 am, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:00:36 -0800 (PST), 4phun <vic.hea...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote in
>>> <9fdf0d46-4f4b-4761-b56b-11c8a502f...@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com>:
>>>
>>> >Rumor at link
>>> >AT&T to limit unlimited data plans to 5GB a month?
>>>
>>> >http://www.intomobile.com/2008/01/11...ited-data-plan...
>>>
>>> You left out the part of the RUMOR that this would just apply to NEW
>>> CHEAPER "unlimited" data plans, and that NO OVERAGE would be billed.
>>>
>>> [yawn]
>
>>John, I saw that. The point is that they are preparing to limit data
>>usage in an 'unlimited plan' which I think is a bad thing. And the
>>cheaper part is that they are stripping out text messaging and
>>charging more for that.
>
> The cheaper part might well apply to any "soft cap" as well.
> It's all just speculation.
>
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How can they cap a _Unlimited_ plan. Look up the word.
Another Verizon in the making.

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:10:18 -0800, "Kevin Weaver"
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>"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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>> The cheaper part might well apply to any "soft cap" as well.
>> It's all just speculation.

>How can they cap a _Unlimited_ plan. Look up the word.
>Another Verizon in the making.

IF the rumor is true, it's a "soft cap", not a hard cap, designed to
prevent network abuse. 5 GB is about 75 hours of continuous transfer at
the upper end of the EGPRS(EDGE) speed range, about 2.5 hours per day.
That's a lot of data usage! I see no real problem. YMMV.

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> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:10:18 -0800, "Kevin Weaver"
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>>"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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>
>>> The cheaper part might well apply to any "soft cap" as well.
>>> It's all just speculation.
>
>>How can they cap a _Unlimited_ plan. Look up the word.
>>Another Verizon in the making.
>
> IF the rumor is true, it's a "soft cap", not a hard cap, designed to
> prevent network abuse. 5 GB is about 75 hours of continuous transfer at
> the upper end of the EGPRS(EDGE) speed range, about 2.5 hours per day.
> That's a lot of data usage! I see no real problem. YMMV.
>
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With EDGE. Who is going to use EDGE ? I sure won't.

Verizon lost a lot of users when they came up with this BS
If AT&T does this, I hope the same thing happens to them.

Like I said, They can break your contract with out paying you the ETF But
you can't. Total BS...

What's next, A limit on DSL Usage ? A limit on Txt messages on the
Unlimited plan ?

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:11:15 GMT, "Kevin Weaver"
<kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
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>"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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>> IF the rumor is true, it's a "soft cap", not a hard cap, designed to
>> prevent network abuse. 5 GB is about 75 hours of continuous transfer at
>> the upper end of the EGPRS(EDGE) speed range, about 2.5 hours per day.
>> That's a lot of data usage! I see no real problem. YMMV.

>With EDGE. Who is going to use EDGE ? I sure won't.

Last time I checked, the iPhone uses EGPRS(EDGE). (See post by Viper.)

>Verizon lost a lot of users when they came up with this BS
>If AT&T does this, I hope the same thing happens to them.

What real evidence to you have of that?

>Like I said, They can break your contract with out paying you the ETF But
>you can't. Total BS...

You can if they change the agreement, and if you don't like the deal,
then you shouldn't have signed up in the first place.

>What's next, A limit on DSL Usage ?

Already there in some areas.

>A limit on Txt messages on the
>Unlimited plan ?

The RUMOR is a limit of zero.

The difference between "unlimited" and the text messages is that there
is a finite number of text messages.

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> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:11:15 GMT, "Kevin Weaver"
> <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
> <Tydij.35691$lD6.22670@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net> :
>
>>"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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>
>>> IF the rumor is true, it's a "soft cap", not a hard cap, designed to
>>> prevent network abuse. 5 GB is about 75 hours of continuous transfer at
>>> the upper end of the EGPRS(EDGE) speed range, about 2.5 hours per day.
>>> That's a lot of data usage! I see no real problem. YMMV.
>
>>With EDGE. Who is going to use EDGE ? I sure won't.
>
> Last time I checked, the iPhone uses EGPRS(EDGE). (See post by Viper.)
>
>>Verizon lost a lot of users when they came up with this BS
>>If AT&T does this, I hope the same thing happens to them.
>
> What real evidence to you have of that?

None In print. But they did. Just like when the iphone was out. They had
people bail so they could get a iPhone. Any report you would see in print
could be a BS report of numbers, Market hype.
>
>>Like I said, They can break your contract with out paying you the ETF But
>>you can't. Total BS...
>
> You can if they change the agreement, and if you don't like the deal,
> then you shouldn't have signed up in the first place.

If your agreement shows Unlimited data and they tell you your using to much
they can't charge you the ETF when they boot you. But there the one's
breaking the contract so you should be able to collect on the ETF ftom them.
It's only fair. You sign a contract that says Unlimited, It should be
Unlimited. Not some 5GB figure. How is that Unlimited ?
>
>>What's next, A limit on DSL Usage ?
>
> Already there in some areas.

SBC/AT&T Has a limit on DSL ? If there is, I'm sure I would have been kicked
by now.
Maybe on some cheap 9.95 plan there might be but I have doubts on that.

>>A limit on Txt messages on the
>>Unlimited plan ?
>
> The RUMOR is a limit of zero.
>
> The difference between "unlimited" and the text messages is that there
> is a finite number of text messages.
>
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EDGE Or 3G does not matter. The question is why If It's a unlimited plan,
will it have a limit.

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:07:04 GMT, "Kevin Weaver"
<kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
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>"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:11:15 GMT, "Kevin Weaver"
>> <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
>> <Tydij.35691$lD6.22670@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net> :

>>>Verizon lost a lot of users when they came up with this BS
>>>If AT&T does this, I hope the same thing happens to them.
>>
>> What real evidence to you have of that?
>
>None In print. But they did. Just like when the iphone was out. They had
>people bail so they could get a iPhone. Any report you would see in print
>could be a BS report of numbers, Market hype.

How do you know this? How much is "a lot"? 10? 100? 1000? ,,,

>>>Like I said, They can break your contract with out paying you the ETF But
>>>you can't. Total BS...
>>
>> You can if they change the agreement, and if you don't like the deal,
>> then you shouldn't have signed up in the first place.
>
>If your agreement shows Unlimited data and they tell you your using to much
>they can't charge you the ETF when they boot you. But there the one's
>breaking the contract so you should be able to collect on the ETF ftom them.
>It's only fair. You sign a contract that says Unlimited, It should be
>Unlimited. Not some 5GB figure. How is that Unlimited ?

Has that actually happened? Or is that speculation? What about the
caveats in the service agreement?

>>>What's next, A limit on DSL Usage ?
>>
>> Already there in some areas.
>
>SBC/AT&T Has a limit on DSL ?

I didn't say that. But it's nonetheless true that AT&T has announced
its intention to go after abusers.

>If there is, I'm sure I would have been kicked
>by now.
>Maybe on some cheap 9.95 plan there might be but I have doubts on that.

If you're using gigabytes of data, you're probably being throttled.

>EDGE Or 3G does not matter. The question is why If It's a unlimited plan,
>will it have a limit.

Network abuse.

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> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:07:04 GMT, "Kevin Weaver"
> <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
> <sffij.85148$Um6.30012@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net> :
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>>"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:11:15 GMT, "Kevin Weaver"
>>> <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
>>> <Tydij.35691$lD6.22670@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net> :
>
>>>>Verizon lost a lot of users when they came up with this BS
>>>>If AT&T does this, I hope the same thing happens to them.
>>>
>>> What real evidence to you have of that?
>>
>>None In print. But they did. Just like when the iphone was out. They had
>>people bail so they could get a iPhone. Any report you would see in print
>>could be a BS report of numbers, Market hype.
>
> How do you know this? How much is "a lot"? 10? 100? 1000? ,,,
>
>>>>Like I said, They can break your contract with out paying you the ETF
>>>>But
>>>>you can't. Total BS...
>>>
>>> You can if they change the agreement, and if you don't like the deal,
>>> then you shouldn't have signed up in the first place.
>>
>>If your agreement shows Unlimited data and they tell you your using to
>>much
>>they can't charge you the ETF when they boot you. But there the one's
>>breaking the contract so you should be able to collect on the ETF ftom
>>them.
>>It's only fair. You sign a contract that says Unlimited, It should be
>>Unlimited. Not some 5GB figure. How is that Unlimited ?
>
> Has that actually happened? Or is that speculation? What about the
> caveats in the service agreement?

I know It's happen on verizon. It happen to a friend. He moved, No DSL Or
cable modem could be had. But he did have a unlimited Verizon data package
on his treo. So he used that for all his Internet, email. He got a letter
telling him that they were ending his contract. They did in fact turn it
off. His phone was 3 months old. So here he had a treo he paid a lot for and
could not use it. Did he ever get a refund on his phone or a 175.00 payment
from Verizon, No.

If they would have had to pay him the 175.00 you would not see this happen.
They would grin and bear it.After selling it on ebay he loss almost a 100.00
on that deal.


I have my service contract in front of me. It says nothing that they would
pay you if they cancel the agreement from there end. It does say, If you
break your contract on your end before your 1-2 year due date, It's a 175.00
ETF.
So it should be fair play. You cancel you pay, They cancel you, they pay
you.
>
>>>>What's next, A limit on DSL Usage ?
>>>
>>> Already there in some areas.
>>
>>SBC/AT&T Has a limit on DSL ?
>
> I didn't say that. But it's nonetheless true that AT&T has announced
> its intention to go after abusers.

Again, My DSL contract at the time I signed up for it has a 200.00 ETF If
you cancel within 1 yrs time. The only thing in my contract is a bit about
you can not run a server. Nothing about Data usage limits. So, IE Someone
that likes to watch movies all day could be a abuser in AT&T eye's. I think
they will have a hard time showing that as they give out 60 day free passes
to watch streaming movies to new users.

If it's there intention to go after abusers as you say, How are they going
to define it ? I have a MSDN Account. I've DL every CD/DVD ISO from the
site when someone did not return my MSDN complete collection. (Fellow
employee)
And I've taken my share of legal mp3 files off of my company mp3 server many
times.

>
>>If there is, I'm sure I would have been kicked
>>by now.
>>Maybe on some cheap 9.95 plan there might be but I have doubts on that.
>
> If you're using gigabytes of data, you're probably being throttled.

No, I can use 5gb of data in less then one day. I've ran speed tests and I'm
not being throttled.
>
>>EDGE Or 3G does not matter. The question is why If It's a unlimited plan,
>>will it have a limit.
>
> Network abuse.

Where is it in the contract that tells about the types of abuse ? You can't
run a server on a PDA. If they say music, that won't go far as they offer XM
streaming. If someone has a Unlimited plan and want's to surf allday long he
could burn 5gb in no time.

The sad part is they can, and you have no say. That's why if there allowed
to pull this, they should pay you the 175.00 ETF. As it stands right now.
It's a one sided street. You pay us if you leave early. If we give you the
boot, we don't pay you.
>
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:24:23 -0800, "Kevin Weaver"
<kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
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>"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:07:04 GMT, "Kevin Weaver"
>> <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
>> <sffij.85148$Um6.30012@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net> :
>>
>>>"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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>>>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:11:15 GMT, "Kevin Weaver"
>>>> <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
>>>> <Tydij.35691$lD6.22670@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net> :
>>
>>>>>Verizon lost a lot of users when they came up with this BS
>>>>>If AT&T does this, I hope the same thing happens to them.
>>>>
>>>> What real evidence to you have of that?
>>>
>>>None In print. But they did. Just like when the iphone was out. They had
>>>people bail so they could get a iPhone. Any report you would see in print
>>>could be a BS report of numbers, Market hype.
>>
>> How do you know this? How much is "a lot"? 10? 100? 1000? ,,,


Again: How do you know this? How much is "a lot"? 10? 100? 1000?
,,,


>>>>>Like I said, They can break your contract with out paying you the ETF
>>>>>But
>>>>>you can't. Total BS...
>>>>
>>>> You can if they change the agreement, and if you don't like the deal,
>>>> then you shouldn't have signed up in the first place.
>>>
>>>If your agreement shows Unlimited data and they tell you your using to
>>>much
>>>they can't charge you the ETF when they boot you. But there the one's
>>>breaking the contract so you should be able to collect on the ETF ftom
>>>them.
>>>It's only fair. You sign a contract that says Unlimited, It should be
>>>Unlimited. Not some 5GB figure. How is that Unlimited ?


Read your service agreement. See language on network abuse. Again, if
you don't like the deal, then you shouldn't have signed up in the first
place.


>> Has that actually happened? Or is that speculation? What about the
>> caveats in the service agreement?
>
>I know It's happen on verizon. ...


We're talking AT&T.


>>>SBC/AT&T Has a limit on DSL ?
>>
>> I didn't say that. But it's nonetheless true that AT&T has announced
>> its intention to go after abusers.
>
>If it's there intention to go after abusers as you say, How are they going
>to define it ? I have a MSDN Account. I've DL every CD/DVD ISO from the
>site when someone did not return my MSDN complete collection. (Fellow
>employee)
>And I've taken my share of legal mp3 files off of my company mp3 server many
>times.


A very small percentage of users consume a hugely disproportionate
amount of bandwidth to the detriment of other users. We all know who
and what they are. If you aren't one of them, then you shouldn't be
terribly concerned.


>>>If there is, I'm sure I would have been kicked
>>>by now.
>>>Maybe on some cheap 9.95 plan there might be but I have doubts on that.
>>
>> If you're using gigabytes of data, you're probably being throttled.
>
>No, I can use 5gb of data in less then one day. I've ran speed tests and I'm
>not being throttled.


But then you're not on one of the RUMORed new plans, and you've not been
warned, so why would you be so concerned? If they change your service
agreement with a cap, cancel without penalty and move on.


>>>EDGE Or 3G does not matter. The question is why If It's a unlimited plan,
>>>will it have a limit.
>>
>> Network abuse.
>
>Where is it in the contract that tells about the types of abuse ? ...


Prohibited and Permissible Uses
<http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/legal/plan-terms.jsp>

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