Re: Verizon Iphone coming? Was: Qs about Verizon Droid

On 29 May 2010 04:01:14 GMT, qm@sonic.net (Brad Allen) wrote in
<4c00918a$0$1641$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:

>In article <vtKdnZS6qZpGPmzWnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@posted.southvall eyinternet>,
>Roy <aa4re@aa4re.ampr.org> wrote:
>" Lots of speculation within the last few days
>" http://www.lanewsmonitor.com/news/Ve...am-1274116551/
>" http://hubpages.com/hub/The-NEW-iPhone-4G-Coming-2010
>" http://www.brighthand.com/default.as...isplay+IPS+FFS
>
>I'm sick of speculation. I don't wait any more for big companies to
>release phones to consumers. Either I can get it some way, or I don't
>bother. That's why I bought an Android based phone instead of waiting
>for Sony & Apple's vaporgoods,

Very wise -- makes no sense to wait for vaporware or count on upgrades.
"What you see is what you get."

>and I'm not going back without a LOT of
>reason.

And I think that will also be true of the majority of those who have
gone with non-Apple smartphones on Verizon -- only a small minority of
the ones I've talked to would actually want to switch to an iPhone
before their current contract is up.

>And yes, iPhone being on AT&T is reason #1 why I left iPhone, and
>reason #2 is that Apple requires jailbreaking for more functionality.
>I did have T-Mobile with my jailbroken iPhone, but it was an aging
>iPhone, and guess what? No warrantee, and new ones aren't able to use
>T-Mobile. Junk!

Another factor working against the iPhone that's becoming ever bigger
with the passage of time is the adoption of Android by enterprises
attracted to the ease of developing their own Android apps on a familiar
open Linux-based platform. iPhone may well be largely limited to the
consumer market.

iPad may run into the same problem, especially if competitive Android
tablets ship this year as expected.

While a closed system has obvious advantages for Apple in the consumer
market, the enterprise market tends to go for open systems over closed
systems.

--
Best regards,
John

If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do iFans keep making excuses for it?

> While a closed system has obvious advantages for Apple in the consumer
> market, the enterprise market tends to go for open systems over closed
> systems.

That and Apple has shown over time to have little more than contempt for the
enterprise market, by making no tools that aid it.

In article <ugc2065es9i62djdcqhrfsdiagtcl4nk7s@4ax.com>, John Navas
<jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> And I think that will also be true of the majority of those who have
> gone with non-Apple smartphones on Verizon -- only a small minority of
> the ones I've talked to would actually want to switch to an iPhone
> before their current contract is up.

market surveys say otherwise and who said anything about before their
contract is up?

> Another factor working against the iPhone that's becoming ever bigger
> with the passage of time is the adoption of Android by enterprises
> attracted to the ease of developing their own Android apps on a familiar
> open Linux-based platform. iPhone may well be largely limited to the
> consumer market.

android development is java based and little to do with linux. android
apps run in a java virtual machine. they're not even native.

> iPad may run into the same problem, especially if competitive Android
> tablets ship this year as expected.

maybe yes, maybe no. there's room for more than one.

> While a closed system has obvious advantages for Apple in the consumer
> market, the enterprise market tends to go for open systems over closed
> systems.

that would explain why enterprises like blackberry. oh wait, that's not
open.

In article <D9WdnWMLkIiG15zRnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> , Bill
Kearney wrote:

> > While a closed system has obvious advantages for Apple in the consumer
> > market, the enterprise market tends to go for open systems over closed
> > systems.
>
> That and Apple has shown over time to have little more than contempt for the
> enterprise market, by making no tools that aid it.

nonsense.

nospam wrote:
> In article <D9WdnWMLkIiG15zRnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> , Bill
> Kearney wrote:
>
>>> While a closed system has obvious advantages for Apple in the consumer
>>> market, the enterprise market tends to go for open systems over closed
>>> systems.
>> That and Apple has shown over time to have little more than contempt for the
>> enterprise market, by making no tools that aid it.
>
> nonsense.

Instead of just saying "nonsense", you might try to mention a few of
Apple's applications or tools that aid business.

I used to work for a company that had about 300 X86 PCs and eight or so
Apple Macs. The Macs were used for a typesetting application. The PCs
ran the business; order-entry, customer service, etc. Could the Apples
have done it? Probably! They didn't because the PCs and their software
were cheaper to buy and maintain.

In article <EoadnUfBFoXVwZzRnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com>, Richard B.
Gilbert <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:

> >>> While a closed system has obvious advantages for Apple in the consumer
> >>> market, the enterprise market tends to go for open systems over closed
> >>> systems.
> >> That and Apple has shown over time to have little more than contempt for
> >> the
> >> enterprise market, by making no tools that aid it.
> >
> > nonsense.
>
> Instead of just saying "nonsense", you might try to mention a few of
> Apple's applications or tools that aid business.

os x comes with built-in exchange support that enterprise likes to use,
along with open source components such as apache and other tools. os x
server goes further with a *lot* of tools enterprises want.

In article <EoadnUfBFoXVwZzRnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:

> Instead of just saying "nonsense", you might try to mention a few of
> Apple's applications or tools that aid business.

Final Cut Pro.

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On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:02:57 -0700, John Higdon <higgy@kome.com> wrote
in <higgy-81EB1E.13025729052010@news.announcetech.com>:

>In article <EoadnUfBFoXVwZzRnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Instead of just saying "nonsense", you might try to mention a few of
>> Apple's applications or tools that aid business.
>
>Final Cut Pro.

The exception that proves the rule.
Or is that alone your idea of "a few".


--
Best regards,
John

If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do iFans keep making excuses for it?

In article <9ss206l7ous1om0pu6la0fcm8o9vpgbg7b@4ax.com>,
John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:02:57 -0700, John Higdon <higgy@kome.com> wrote
> in <higgy-81EB1E.13025729052010@news.announcetech.com>:
>
> >In article <EoadnUfBFoXVwZzRnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> > "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Instead of just saying "nonsense", you might try to mention a few of
> >> Apple's applications or tools that aid business.
> >
> >Final Cut Pro.
>
> The exception that proves the rule.
> Or is that alone your idea of "a few".

I just happen to be using it at the moment.

Want another? ProTools.

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John Higdon
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On Sat, 29 May 2010 15:22:41 -0700, John Higdon <higgy@kome.com> wrote
in <higgy-3C67AB.15224129052010@news.announcetech.com>:

>In article <9ss206l7ous1om0pu6la0fcm8o9vpgbg7b@4ax.com>,
> John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:02:57 -0700, John Higdon <higgy@kome.com> wrote
>> in <higgy-81EB1E.13025729052010@news.announcetech.com>:
>>
>> >In article <EoadnUfBFoXVwZzRnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> > "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Instead of just saying "nonsense", you might try to mention a few of
>> >> Apple's applications or tools that aid business.
>> >
>> >Final Cut Pro.
>>
>> The exception that proves the rule.
>> Or is that alone your idea of "a few".
>
>I just happen to be using it at the moment.
>
>Want another? ProTools.

I'll buy Final Cut Pro, but I think Pro Tools isn't what I'd call a
business app, much less a major business app.

--
Best regards,
John

If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do iFans keep making excuses for it?

In article <a8730693u5hpil10vecnvsne0mf4dgkdci@4ax.com>,
John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> I'll buy Final Cut Pro, but I think Pro Tools isn't what I'd call a
> business app, much less a major business app.

Depend upon what business you're in. You need to get out more.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

On Sat, 29 May 2010 17:01:35 -0700, John Higdon <higgy@kome.com> wrote
in <higgy-EED3CA.17013529052010@news.announcetech.com>:

>In article <a8730693u5hpil10vecnvsne0mf4dgkdci@4ax.com>,
> John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> I'll buy Final Cut Pro, but I think Pro Tools isn't what I'd call a
>> business app, much less a major business app.
>
>Depend upon what business you're in. You need to get out more.

Thanks for your concern, but I get out quite often,
and that's not what I would call a major business app.
That issue aside, you've only come up with two,
which I take as confirmation the list is quite small.


--
Best regards,
John

If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do iFans keep making excuses for it?

On 5/29/10 6:04 PM, in article a8730693u5hpil10vecnvsne0mf4dgkdci@4ax.com,
"John Navas" <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 29 May 2010 15:22:41 -0700, John Higdon <higgy@kome.com> wrote
> in <higgy-3C67AB.15224129052010@news.announcetech.com>:
>
>> In article <9ss206l7ous1om0pu6la0fcm8o9vpgbg7b@4ax.com>,
>> John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:02:57 -0700, John Higdon <higgy@kome.com> wrote
>>> in <higgy-81EB1E.13025729052010@news.announcetech.com>:
>>>
>>>> In article <EoadnUfBFoXVwZzRnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>> "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Instead of just saying "nonsense", you might try to mention a few of
>>>>> Apple's applications or tools that aid business.
>>>>
>>>> Final Cut Pro.
>>>
>>> The exception that proves the rule.
>>> Or is that alone your idea of "a few".
>>
>> I just happen to be using it at the moment.
>>
>> Want another? ProTools.
>
> I'll buy Final Cut Pro, but I think Pro Tools isn't what I'd call a
> business app, much less a major business app.

The problem in your statement above: >"I think"<

<spit> Bingo!

On 5/29/10 7:01 PM, in article
higgy-EED3CA.17013529052010@news.announcetech.com, "John Higdon"
<higgy@kome.com> wrote:

> In article <a8730693u5hpil10vecnvsne0mf4dgkdci@4ax.com>,
> John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> I'll buy Final Cut Pro, but I think Pro Tools isn't what I'd call a
>> business app, much less a major business app.
>
> Depend upon what business you're in. You need to get out more.

NavAss needs to pull out, not get out...

<http://static.open.salon.com/files/head_up_your_ass1246157109.jpg>

In article <gra306tt5ajij49hva3th21rkmsv29805e@4ax.com>,
John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> Thanks for your concern, but I get out quite often,
> and that's not what I would call a major business app.

What do you define as a "major business app"? If ProTools, a pricy but
highly respected and powerful application employed in recording and
broadcast facilities worldwide (businesses all), an application that has
touched just about everything you hear on radio, television, commercial
recordings, and the movies is not "a major business" app, then I needn't
waste any more time naming things that you would not "call a major
business app".

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

On 29/05/10 1:02 PM, John Higdon wrote:
> In article<EoadnUfBFoXVwZzRnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews. com>,
> "Richard B. Gilbert"<rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Instead of just saying "nonsense", you might try to mention a few of
>> Apple's applications or tools that aid business.
>
> Final Cut Pro.

That's the app that keeps a lot of people buying Macs. Quite a deal
compared to Avid, especially when you have no need for the level of
functionality that Avid provides.

About once a year one of my kids has a movie project for school that
results in chaos trying to combine stuff from iMovie, animated GIFs,
..wmv files, JPEGs, MPEG2 video, and JPG files. They finish the creative
part, then I'm generally up all night converting files into formats that
one movie program can work with (either Windows Movie Maker, iMovie, or
Sony Vegas Studio) then the next morning they assemble all the files
into the movie, minutes before they have to take the final product to
school. They used to love iMovie but Apple did some strange things to
iMovie a couple of years ago. I.e. in iMovie '08 there is no way to save
a project so you can work on it on a different computer.

I just could not believe that this was true, but apparently it is, and
it was explained succinctly by someone like this:

1. iMovie '08 *only* recognizes projects located in the home folder of
the startup drive.

2. If you copy a project to an external drive, iMovie '08 won't
recognize it. You will have to move it back into its original folder on
your startup drive to get iMovie to see it.

3. Project files don't work without the event footage to go with it,
which is stored in a different folder (on whichever drive you told
iMovie to put the event). Be very careful moving projects and events
around manually, because you can break your projects.

4. iMovie '09 will allow you to easily move projects in a way that
preserves the event footage to go with it.

So the solution to a problem that should never have been a problem is to
buy the new version of iLife!

> os x comes with built-in exchange support that enterprise likes to use,
> along with open source components such as apache and other tools. os x
> server goes further with a *lot* of tools enterprises want.

A mail client isn't enterprise support. Nor is a web server.

Network authentication and policies are, and they're entirely missing from
Apple.

In article <4c01b986$0$1655$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> That's the app that keeps a lot of people buying Macs. Quite a deal
> compared to Avid, especially when you have no need for the level of
> functionality that Avid provides.

More and more studios are switching (or adopting from scratch) Final Cut
Pro. A friend of mine who owns a video production house (that does
commercials you've probably seen) used to dismiss Final Cut as a toy.
That is no longer the case.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

In article <3fGdnVFQ6JgJTJzRnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@speakeasy.net> , Bill
Kearney <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > os x comes with built-in exchange support that enterprise likes to use,
> > along with open source components such as apache and other tools. os x
> > server goes further with a *lot* of tools enterprises want.
>
> A mail client isn't enterprise support. Nor is a web server.

exchange support makes it easy to integrate a mac into a corporate
network that uses exchange, and most companies have web servers, so
they could use a mac instead of windows there if they wanted to. some
use apache on linux, so it's a simple transition too.

> Network authentication and policies are, and they're entirely missing from
> Apple.

that's there too.

On Sat, 29 May 2010 17:23:37 -0700, John Higdon <higgy@kome.com> wrote
in <higgy-B3D477.17233729052010@news.announcetech.com>:

>In article <gra306tt5ajij49hva3th21rkmsv29805e@4ax.com>,
> John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your concern, but I get out quite often,
>> and that's not what I would call a major business app.
>
>What do you define as a "major business app"? If ProTools, a pricy but
>highly respected and powerful application employed in recording and
>broadcast facilities worldwide (businesses all), an application that has
>touched just about everything you hear on radio, television, commercial
>recordings, and the movies is not "a major business" app, then I needn't
>waste any more time naming things that you would not "call a major
>business app".

What do you have to back that up?
None of the several audio professionals or businesses I know use it.

--
Best regards,
John

If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do iFans keep making excuses for it?

In article <vgl306ds3j68k6f57fjojtqe1siqctesou@4ax.com>,
John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> What do you have to back that up?
> None of the several audio professionals or businesses I know use it.

As I say, you need to get out more.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

On Sat, 29 May 2010 20:09:22 -0700, John Higdon <higgy@kome.com> wrote
in <higgy-776D21.20092229052010@news.announcetech.com>:

>In article <vgl306ds3j68k6f57fjojtqe1siqctesou@4ax.com>,
> John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> What do you have to back that up?
>> None of the several audio professionals or businesses I know use it.
>
>As I say, you need to get out more.

'Those who have evidence will present their evidence,
whereas those who do not have evidence will attack the man.'

--
Best regards,
John

"A little learning is a dangerous thing." -Alexander Pope
"It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." -Mark Twain
"Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn."
-Benjamin Franklin

In article <290520102002477445%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > Network authentication and policies are, and they're entirely missing from
> > Apple.
>
> that's there too.

You bet. Since the Mac rides on top of FreeBSD, anything available for
Unix is available for the Mac. I have a system that networks four
ProTools workstations together using nothing but OS utilities, shell
scripts, and Perl. Rather than being an Apple activity, it became a Unix
exercise.

Try that on Windows sometime.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

In article <46m306hu9hoecuqt7vr0ks3g8l11a0li5d@4ax.com>,
John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> 'Those who have evidence will present their evidence,
> whereas those who do not have evidence will attack the man.'

You can sure dish it out but you can't take it at all, can you? I have
been in the audio business for over forty years. I don't know several
audio production businesses; I know hundreds. All of the broadcasters
who do heavy enough work to warrant it use ProTools. Same goes for the
production studios I have worked with, network operations, movie
studios...just about anyone who does multitrack audio production.

Not everyone uses it since it isn't cheap, and it has a steep learning
curve. But it is the industry's foremost digital audio workstation.
There are many thousands of them throughout the audio world.

Google is your friend if you want evidence.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

In article <higgy-57C662.20305229052010@news.announcetech.com>, John
Higdon <higgy@kome.com> wrote:

> In article <46m306hu9hoecuqt7vr0ks3g8l11a0li5d@4ax.com>,
> John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> > 'Those who have evidence will present their evidence,
> > whereas those who do not have evidence will attack the man.'
>
> You can sure dish it out but you can't take it at all, can you? I have
> been in the audio business for over forty years. I don't know several
> audio production businesses; I know hundreds. All of the broadcasters
> who do heavy enough work to warrant it use ProTools. Same goes for the
> production studios I have worked with, network operations, movie
> studios...just about anyone who does multitrack audio production.
>
> Not everyone uses it since it isn't cheap, and it has a steep learning
> curve. But it is the industry's foremost digital audio workstation.
> There are many thousands of them throughout the audio world.
>
> Google is your friend if you want evidence.

he doesn't. all he does is post silly quotes when challenged.

In article <290520102040444092%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> he doesn't. all he does is post silly quotes when challenged.

His silly comments about ProTools leads me to wonder what other nonsense
he spouts. He is definitely what we in the technical trade refer to as a
"front panel" expert.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

In article <higgy-BBD0A5.20481929052010@news.announcetech.com>, John
Higdon <higgy@kome.com> wrote:

> > he doesn't. all he does is post silly quotes when challenged.
>
> His silly comments about ProTools leads me to wonder what other nonsense
> he spouts. He is definitely what we in the technical trade refer to as a
> "front panel" expert.

very much so.

On 29/05/10 7:58 PM, John Higdon wrote:
> In article<4c01b986$0$1655$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
> SMS<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> That's the app that keeps a lot of people buying Macs. Quite a deal
>> compared to Avid, especially when you have no need for the level of
>> functionality that Avid provides.
>
> More and more studios are switching (or adopting from scratch) Final Cut
> Pro. A friend of mine who owns a video production house (that does
> commercials you've probably seen) used to dismiss Final Cut as a toy.
> That is no longer the case.

My nephew produces a lot of major commercials and he's a big Final Cut
Pro user for them. He uses Avid for some movies where Final Cut Pro
doesn't have necessary functionality, but even for most movies it's
sufficient. They used to take the P2 cards from the Panasonic studio
cameras and stick them directly into the Mac Books and start editing
on-site, until Apple dropped the CardBus slot from the Macs. Finally, in
June, Panasonic will have a USB reader for P2 cards (AJ-PCD2), but for
some reason such a device was very difficult to produce, and it's
ridiculously expensive.

In article <4c01f3d1$0$1613$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> They used to take the P2 cards from the Panasonic studio
> cameras and stick them directly into the Mac Books and start editing
> on-site, until Apple dropped the CardBus slot from the Macs.

Some studios do pretty much the same thing only with hard drives pulled
from a Red camera. The drive is copied into the server (that has
something like 42 TB on line), and then go to work on the FCP
workstations. Pretty impressive to see it all go.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

John Higdon <higgy@kome.com> wrote in
news:higgy-BBD0A5.20481929052010@news.announcetech.com:

> In article <290520102040444092%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> he doesn't. all he does is post silly quotes when
>> challenged.
>
> His silly comments about ProTools leads me to wonder what
> other nonsense he spouts. He is definitely what we in the
> technical trade refer to as a "front panel" expert.

This explains it all......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narciss...ality_disorder

-Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates
achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior
without commensurate achievements)

-Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power,
brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

-Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of
especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his
or her expectations

-Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the
feelings and needs of others

-Requires excessive admiration

-Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.