Replacement of PDA and phone

In article <s838v350dahv6ikue7idkue6vgjo2mqram@4ax.com>,
"Robert A. Fink, M. D." <lynxer@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:03:03 -0700, "Kevin Weaver"
> <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >I've set mine to not delete from my phone. But delete from the home system.
>
>
> Does the iPhone allow for such "selective" deletion? Pegasus Mail (on
> my desktop and laptops) allows for such.
>
iPhone has setting to allow you to delete from server or not.



I keep mine to never.

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At 03 Apr 2008 00:09:01 +0000 Larry wrote:

> Ok by me. But, my emails have some pretty big attachments. Where do you
> put them?

I set the e-mail client on my phone not to automatically download
attachments over 100kb (then I choose whether to download them if needed.)

> How do you get them from the phone to the computer, download
> them again off the server? That time must also be included.

IMAP is server based- since my PC has broadband, it looks at the IMAP
server continually, and downloads and archives whatever makes it through
the spam filters.

> The remote terminal is far from "cumbersome" on wifi, and not really bad
on
> EVDO. rdesktop is optimized to minimize bandwidth usage. it only
updates
> what needs updating. It's not a video shot of the screen, but you knew
> that. The only drawback is the 500-800ms latency of the Sellphone data
> links, but I'll live with that until the Wimax rollout.

Whatever works for you, I guess. Remote desktop to keep on top of your e-
mail seems like using a jackhammer to drive a finishing nail, but that's
just me...

Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Larry said:

> > Learn to spell, it's "cellphone", not "sellphone". If you don't like
> > what they're selling, don't buy it.
> Why does my little updated description upset you so?

Because it's childish.

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Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in
news:jmj8v3hg3midh1sm23vo7qagsjg2i29a9b@gordol.org :

> Because it's childish.
>

No shit? Hell, I'M Childish!....at least I hope so.

On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:34:06 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

>"Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
>news:vWUIj.11639$qS5.9143@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com:
>
>>> Does the iPhone allow for such "selective" deletion? Pegasus Mail
>(on
>>> my desktop and laptops) allows for such.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Bob
>>
>
>Dr Bob,
>
> Just for reference, Pegasus responds very well to Remote Desktop
>operation. I use it here to my Nokia N800 Linux tablet over Remote
>desktop, even over the sellphone link, every day.
>
>You can leave Pegasus running continuously, logon to remote desktop to
>your laptop, tablet, your office PC with your IP/username/password and
>have full control of Pegasus from the remote location. Works great, no
>syncing, no sellphone funny business, no multiple storage confusion.
>
>If a large file comes in, say some media or document or presentation,
>Remote Desktop can be setup so the remote device, whatever it is, can
>act like an external hard drive, straight from Windows Explorer on the
>home desktop, for example. Simply click and drag the object to the
>remote devices storage of your choice and remote desktop will copy it
>there for your use....without destroying the master copy safely stored
>on your main PC.
>
>Iphone doesn't have remote desktop, but your laptop or office desktop
>already does.
>
>If you must carry it, I recommend the Nokia N800 $230 with a free
>rdesktop from maemo.org's download section. Tons of very useful
>software, all free. Real word processing with an external bluetooth
>keyboard made to type on, real spreadsheets, several databases and other
>useful tools already for use on it.
>
>Got special medical software on the main PC? Remote desktop can operate
>it from anyplace on the net. Ask your local IT or hacker to help you
>set it up on your existing units. Once configured, the only thing it
>won't do is run video/audio to the remote. For that, you download the
>media and play it on the remote locally.
>
>Most users have no idea it's already included on their Windows, MAC
>desktops and laptops. There's no need to rent an external service to
>use it.
>
>If you can call up those Xrays of Mr Jones on your home PC, you can view
>them from your laptop or internet tablet via remote desktop. Wouldn't
>that be handier for your application?


Fascinating. Many thanks

Best,

Bob

Robert A. Fink, M. D., FACS, P. C.
Neurological Surgery
2500 Milvia Street Suite 222
Berkeley, CA 94704-2636 USA
510-849-2555

"Ex Tristitia Virtus"

"Robert A. Fink, M. D." <lynxer@comcast.net> wrote in
news:62vcv3hf6r7elc79rf3f4ucjo0nd0n5pr8@4ax.com:

> Fascinating. Many thanks
>

Quite welcome. I'm on remote desktop from an Italian restaurant,
tonight, using my Nokia N800 Linux tablet and Bluetooth keyboard over the
free wifi Pizza Roma provides with my Stromboli. Great food and
broadband...great combination.

Ah, my Boddington's English Ale has arrived...excuse me...

Per Larry:
> my Nokia N800 Linux tablet

This is from somebody who knows nothing - but would like to merge
their cell phone and PDA.

Does the N800 do cell phone on tMob's band?

Seems like cell phone functionality is implicit, considering the
thread.... but one of the reviews said something like "Don't get
rid of your cell phone or PDA when you buy the Nokia product..."
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In article <Xns9A76A8A421DCDnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> "Robert A. Fink, M. D." <lynxer@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:62vcv3hf6r7elc79rf3f4ucjo0nd0n5pr8@4ax.com:
>
> > Fascinating. Many thanks
> >
>
> Quite welcome. I'm on remote desktop from an Italian restaurant,
> tonight, using my Nokia N800 Linux tablet and Bluetooth keyboard over the
> free wifi Pizza Roma provides with my Stromboli. Great food and
> broadband...great combination.
>
> Ah, my Boddington's English Ale has arrived...excuse me...

Oh great, I'll bet the table next to you is either laughing their asses
off or pissed off at the scene you are making.
Welcome to Nerdville at it's worst.

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"(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> wrote in
news:h6hdv39gg4jvmts58ic421j2jvvo5b283e@4ax.com:

> Does the N800 do cell phone on tMob's band?
>

Yes, you tether tmob's data to your sellphone and talk on Skype for
either free or damned near free across the planet. Works great! The
only time it dumps me is if I cross over into another Alltel district,
which makes it switch my IP. Wimax won't have this problem....

Once the WiMax network is installed, Skype will be completely mobile and
teh Sellphone companies can kiss their asses bye bye for me.

ONE phone on ONE system....Whether it's Skype or some other big VoIP-
for-pennies, I don't care which. May the BEST DEAL WIN....

Skype in N America is $36/YEAR for outgoing 5000 mins a month and
$24/line/YEAR for an incoming from phones/sellphones. NOTHING matches
that. You can have TEN Skypes running, simultaneously, and they all
ring together....something we've been wishing SELLphones did for decades
and were told it wasn't possible. Whatever Skype answers the call,
takes the call. If noone takes the call, Skype forwards to any number
you choose. You can also have up to 10 incoming lines to your Skype
cluster of systems from many countries for $24/each line. I have
numbers in Charleston, SC and London, UK.

No "band" will be necessary except the WiMax band after the buildout.
You'll have internet service. Your phone will be on the roaming WiMax
internet service.....as just another app running on your tablet.

It already is, here. I just got off Skype with a friend in Japan. We
talk for hours. Wimax will simply replace the sellphone EVDO data I'm
roaming with Skype on, now, very successfully. Wimax won't have EVDO's
sellphone latency, which is about 500ms on Alltel right on the sellphone
end of the tracert.

http://www.skype.com/welcomeback/
http://www.skype.com/download/skype/nokia/
http://www.skype.com/download/skype/windowsmobile/
http://www.skype.com/allfeatures/wifiphones/
http://www.skype.com/download/skype/macosx/
http://www.skype.com/download/skype/windows/business/
http://www.skype.com/download/skype/windows/
http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/
Help yourself.....it's FREE.
.....and no Sellphone funny business to spoil your fun!

Skype even works on EDGE. It will tolerate down to about 80Kbps and
900ms latency before it gets bad. On broadband, it's like talking to
the phone in the next room....even on the tablets.

"(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> wrote in
news:h6hdv39gg4jvmts58ic421j2jvvo5b283e@4ax.com:

> but one of the reviews said something like "Don't get
> rid of your cell phone or PDA when you buy the Nokia product..."
>

They are correct. The sellphone becomes the modem to get the tablet
roaming access to the internet, at the moment. The tablet connects to
the sellphone under Bluetooth DUN (Dial Up Networking, a throwback to
the old days of modems that converted data into audio signals). Using
the phone as its raw internet connection, the Nokia tablets will work
anywhere you have cellular service to the phone. The tablet will also
automatically connect to that service, even before its Linux operating
system has completely booted up, which takes about 15 seconds on my
heavily loaded tablet.

The advantage there is the tablet is uncontrollable from the sellphone
company's grasp. Sellphone company software does NOT run on the tablet.
So, none of the tablet's features and software, which is quite extensive
because of its open source Linux base and Nokia's support of open source
software, is forbidden or hobbled by sellphone company bureaucrats
trying to sell your pictures back to you on some email scheme.

The tablet, using its own port of Linux's rdesktop freeware and Nokia's
folding bluetooth real keyboard so you can actually TYPE on it, can
connect and operate your office or home computer over Remote Desktop
under Windows XP or Vista....by remote control...either over the
sellphone or wifi link. rdesktop merely remotes your windows desktop to
the tablet's 800-pixel-wide touchscreen. Your stylus becomes your
Windows mouse for pointing and clicking on whatever Windows app is on
top. What's transferred between the tablet and home/office computer is
the picture, only updated where it must be, not some TV raster display
that would hog bandwidth....and the text and control characters that
make Windows do what you want. When you log off the Windows user you're
connected to, it releases the Windows computer back to local control and
rdesktop on the tablet releases the display, touchscreen and keyboard
back to the tablet's GUI, automatically. I stopped all that "syncing"
nonsense left over from the Palm Pilot days of slow modems. I can
operate the Windows desktop software from anyplace.

You don't need the PDA.....but, of course, IF YOU INSIST and have some
Palm software you like to run.....we gotcha covered. Garnet, the people
who bought the Palm OS, have given us software that converts the Nokia
Linux tablets into running Palm OS. It even syncs with Palm Desktop
over USB or wifi from anywhere or the sellphone modem from anywhere.
Here's what the initial test version looks like:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pzzZ1NdNduk
You'll even recognize the Palm OS "clicking" in the speakers...(c;

The best way to see some of the stuff it is capable of and how easy it
really is to use, just put:
Nokia internet tablet
into the youtube.com search box. Some of the best videos come from
thoughtfix, who operates the best websites for the tablets not connected
with the company, on:
http://youtube.com/user/thoughtfix

Nokia set up a home base for the Linux community that's working hard on
the softwares:
http://www.maemo.org/
This is the user head-end website. Click DOWNLOAD, then OS2007 for the
N800 or OS2008 for free upgraded N800s and the new N810 (slideout
keyboard) to see the various categories and software.

https://garage.maemo.org/
is the "factory floor", where the Linux geniuses are working for free to
make the tablet the neatest open source mobile on the planet. Click the
"Project Cloud" button on the garage wall to see (and download if you
like) the software that's under development. There are many things a
mere user should, probably, not install, at first, until you get your
feet into Maemo Linux, our version of Debian Linux for the tablets.
But, if you get in too deep and blow the whole OS, DO NOT FEAR! There's
a Windows XP/Vista freeware installer which will take your software-
destroyed tablet...wipe the whole tablet clean as a whistle, and restore
it to the latest version of the software...just like it came from the
Nokia factory.....in about 3 minutes from clicking OK. The whole OS is
free, open and completely re-installable by this bootloader, hiding your
embarrassing screwup and the accompanying finger pointing and
guffawing...(c;

To see the slick Nokia demos:
http://www.nseries.com/N800
http://www.nseries.com/N810
is the place to start. N800 is about $220 on buy.com in stock. N810
with the slideout keyboard and internal 20 channel WAAS GPS receiver is
about $389 this week at MacMall:
http://www.macmall.com/macmall/shop/detail.asp?Redir=1
&description=Nokia%2DN810+Internet+Tablet+with+Wi% 2DFi+and+GPS%
2DHandhelds%2FPDAs&dpno=7349003
&store=macmall&source=mwbgooglesearch&wt.srch=1
&wt.mc_id=mwbgooglesearch&gclid=CPSuu-_0wpICFRcdsgod9z8LcA

or

http://tinyurl.com/58qjy5
to save all that stupid typing of embedded cookies....grrr..

Nokia just this week announced the commitment to WiMax with a NEW,
WiMax-enabled N810WE, which will drive down N810 prices very soon, and
probably N800 prices, which are holding at $230 for months.

The WiMax N810 will start about $500, but drop quickly as it was
announced way too early for WiMax, which is a couple of years away in
major cities, I think.

If you have iPhone friends, and just can't help yourself, there's an
iPhone GUI that makes the Maemo home page into an iPhone style app
launcher that's fun to watch their faces when they see it. There's also
a Windows Vista theme (and many others because Linux kids LOVE desktop
themes) that will make them also doubletake walking by it...(c;

I shouldn't have typed this because I was looking up the references and
one was the garage homepage. I see we have a new GeoCaching GPS app in
beta test.....(c; Excuse me...I must download/install it....(c;

The GPS receiver for the N800 tablet is a tiny bluetooth external
"puck". It's absolutely the HOTTEST GPS RECEIVER I ever saw! It even
works great inside if there are windows!

At 04 Apr 2008 20:18:02 -0400 (PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Per Larry:
> > my Nokia N800 Linux tablet
>
> This is from somebody who knows nothing - but would like to merge
> their cell phone and PDA.
>
> Does the N800 do cell phone on tMob's band?


No. The N800 is a "web tablet." It is not a cellphone.


> Seems like cell phone functionality is implicit, considering the
> thread....

That's just Larry assuming any consumer choice he's made is right for
everyone else.

Larry carries a separate bluetooth-enabled cellphone to make cellphone
calls and to connect the N800 to the internet with when WiFi isn't available.
A perfectly legitimate combination, but the N800 is NOT what they call a
"convergence device" (combination PDA and cellphone.)

> but one of the reviews said something like "Don't get
> rid of your cell phone or PDA when you buy the Nokia product..."

True. The N800 supports a variety of VoIP services like Skype and the
Gizmo Project, but unless it's connected to the internet either Via WiFi or
a cellphone, a web tablet has the same telephonic abilities of Moses' stone
tablets.

Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in news:labolide-7716B7.17332304042008
@news.giganews.com:

> Oh great, I'll bet the table next to you is either laughing their asses
> off or pissed off at the scene you are making.
> Welcome to Nerdville at it's worst.
>
>

Nope. Everyone was laughing at the two crazy Australian TV commercials I
had on the 16GB external SD card...

The owner always comes by to see what new toys I have on the tablet and to
trade his cooking for my laptop expertise. I'm the reason for the free
wifi in his shop....a sales tool for us nerds, who also like Italian
cuisine mixed with beer.

Sorry you're so down on nerds. Why do you read usenet if you hate nerds??

At 05 Apr 2008 02:01:19 +0000 Larry wrote:

> > Does the N800 do cell phone on tMob's band?
>
>
> Yes, you tether tmob's data to your sellphone and talk on Skype for
> either free or damned near free across the planet. Works great!

For chrissakes Larry, he asked a direct question- is the N800 a cellphone
compatible with T-Mo's network, and the answer is clearly, NO! It has no
cellular capability at all.

If I asked you if your work truck could travel to the Moon, your answer
would be "sure- first you strap it to a Saturn V..." He specifically said
he "would like to merge [his] cell phone and PDA"- it's pretty clear he's
not looking for a two-device solution.

Besides- T-Mo has no 3G network- VoIP works pretty piss-poor over T-Mo's
150kbps down/40kbps up EDGE network, so I doubt you'd have much luck with
Skype on T-Mo (speaking from experience here!)


> Once the WiMax network is installed, Skype will be completely mobile and
> teh Sellphone companies can kiss their asses bye bye for me.


Again, WiMax is being deployed by the 3rd largest cellco in the US. AT&T
and Verizon just secured chunks of the new 700MHz band, most likely to
deploy competing 4G services.

I don't know why you think you'll be firing your cellphone company- you'll
just be buying data-only from them instead of voice + data. This "kills"
cellphone
companies just like buying dryline DSL "kills" the local telco.


> ONE phone on ONE system....Whether it's Skype or some other big VoIP-
> for-pennies, I don't care which. May the BEST DEAL WIN....
>
> Skype in N America is $36/YEAR for outgoing 5000 mins a month and
> $24/line/YEAR for an incoming from phones/sellphones. NOTHING matches
> that.

Sure- because you aren't paying for infrastructure- just the overlay.
Skype isn't really $60/year- it's $60 plus whatever you pay for internet.



> No "band" will be necessary except the WiMax band after the buildout.
> You'll have internet service. Your phone will be on the roaming WiMax
> internet service.....as just another app running on your tablet.


How is that any different from today? You're doing it now over your
cellphone's internet connection. WiMax will just be faster. Why not get a
data-only plan from Alltel and go 100% Skype for voice?


> Skype even works on EDGE. It will tolerate down to about 80Kbps and
> 900ms latency before it gets bad.


You'd be very lucky to get 80kbps up on T-Mo's EDGE. In my Skype-over-EDGE
tests, I could hear the other party fine, but my speech would be broken up
badly.

At 04 Apr 2008 17:33:23 -0700 Kurt wrote:

> > Quite welcome. I'm on remote desktop from an Italian restaurant,
> > tonight, using my Nokia N800 Linux tablet and Bluetooth keyboard over
> > the free wifi Pizza Roma provides with my Stromboli. Great food and
> > broadband...great combination.
> >
> > Ah, my Boddington's English Ale has arrived...excuse me...
>
> Oh great, I'll bet the table next to you is either laughing their asses
> off or pissed off at the scene you are making.
> Welcome to Nerdville at it's worst.


How is Larry any different than the collection of people banging away on a
laptop in every Starbucks or Panera Bread accross the country, except his
equipment is smaller and less intrusive? Why would this pizza place offer
free WiFi if they didn't expect it's patrons to use it?

Besides, we should be encouraging Larry to seek nourishment outside of the
"World's Leading Server of Raisin Toast (tm)."

Per Todd Allcock:
>is the N800 a cellphone
>compatible with T-Mo's network, and the answer is clearly, NO! It has no
>cellular capability at all.

So... OpenMoko hasn't been co-opted...
--
PeteCresswell

Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
news:ft7005$g9n$3@aioe.org:

> Besides, we should be encouraging Larry to seek nourishment outside of
> the "World's Leading Server of Raisin Toast (tm)."
>
>

Hmm....good idea.....Buttermilk Waffles......

bye bye....(c;

In article <Xns9A77620B39E7noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in news:labolide-7716B7.17332304042008
> @news.giganews.com:
>
> > Oh great, I'll bet the table next to you is either laughing their asses
> > off or pissed off at the scene you are making.
> > Welcome to Nerdville at it's worst.
> >
> >
>
> Nope. Everyone was laughing at the two crazy Australian TV commercials I
> had on the 16GB external SD card...
>
> The owner always comes by to see what new toys I have on the tablet and to
> trade his cooking for my laptop expertise. I'm the reason for the free
> wifi in his shop....a sales tool for us nerds, who also like Italian
> cuisine mixed with beer.
>
> Sorry you're so down on nerds. Why do you read usenet if you hate nerds??

I love nerds.

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At 05 Apr 2008 09:26:31 -0400 (PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Per Todd Allcock:
> >is the N800 a cellphone
> >compatible with T-Mo's network, and the answer is clearly, NO! It has no
> >cellular capability at all.
>
> So... OpenMoko hasn't been co-opted...

With Google's "Andriod" on the horizon, I'm not sure OpenMoko is going to
go anywhere. How long has Moko been around and it's still not stable and
only works on one "test" handset.

Per Todd Allcock:
>With Google's "Andriod" on the horizon, I'm not sure OpenMoko is going to
>go anywhere. How long has Moko been around and it's still not stable and
>only works on one "test" handset.


Just watched the Sergey Brin intro at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4m73NXn7hY

I don't know diddley about the technology side, but yeah: my
reaction was that OpenMoko is DOA.

Ten million bucks tb paid out to developers who come up with apps
for the platform? Sheesh!.... Nothing like plenty of money and
power in the hands of somebody really smart and motivated....


Sounds like the demo devices were using "3G" - whatever that
its..... Just out of curiosity, are they talking in tems of
Android-based devices doing GSM cellphone too? Or are they
totally bypassing that?
--
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"(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> wrote in
news:qgeiv350ogpb6c73cp81iu01aaemuplkul@4ax.com:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4m73NXn7hY

http://www.gethightech.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?
Screen=PROD&Product_Code=IP-2085&Category_Code=IPHONE

The text of this screen and digitizer parts page, as well as the
unavailability of it being sold out, speaks volumes about iphone
construction and reliability....

Maybe $169 isn't a high enough price for an LCD and digitizer if they're
selling so hot....(c;

Watch the free installation video Pete's URL points to. Glued on antenna
cables? The front's glued on, too, as you can see the contact cement
stretch when he pulls it apart.

God, what a piece of crap for $500 with a soldered-to-the-motherboard
Chinese Cheapy battery.... Hell, it doesn't even have replaceable memory!

Is the Air built this way by the Chinese slavers, too? Anyone pulled an
Air apart to look?

I fixed a Sandisk $50 MP3 player for my buddy's kids on their kitchen
table. They dropped it so far off a staircase the LCD jarred loose from
its mount. Comparing what I saw inside it and the iPhone...the Sandisk is
built like a fine watch!

.....The Sandisk didn't need a new display. The crash knocked the LCD hold
down clip loose...so it wasn't touching the contact rubber.

"(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> wrote in
news:qgeiv350ogpb6c73cp81iu01aaemuplkul@4ax.com:

> Android-based devices doing GSM cellphone too? Or are they
> totally bypassing that?
> --
>

I don't think you'll ever see any open sourced, uncontrolled-by-the-
sellphone-company-bureaucrats, operating system running freeware from the
Android or Linux hackers on any sellphone screen. What are you crazy?!
Even the tiniest app like a radio player is rented out by the month!
Sellphone companies are NEVER going to give up SELLING you access to your
simple browsers unless there is mass murder at the front office.

EVERY device must be COMPANY CONTROLLED, at all costs.

At 06 Apr 2008 17:01:27 -0400 (PeteCresswell) wrote:

> Sounds like the demo devices were using "3G" - whatever that
> its..... Just out of curiosity, are they talking in tems of
> Android-based devices doing GSM cellphone too? Or are they
> totally bypassing that?

No, Android phones will be typical cellphones with the Android OS. IIRC,
AT&T and T-Mo have already committed to carrying a few when released.

At 06 Apr 2008 22:39:04 +0000 Larry wrote:

> I don't think you'll ever see any open sourced, uncontrolled-by-the-
> sellphone-company-bureaucrats, operating system running freeware from the
> Android or Linux hackers on any sellphone screen.

Larry, as we keep telling you, American GSM carriers allow any compatible
device on their network, regardless of OS. Don't hold all carriers up to
Verizon's standard!

> What are you crazy?!
> Even the tiniest app like a radio player is rented out by the month!


I've owned several phones, including T-Mo and AT&T-locked units that
included FM radios, MP3 players, and cameras with IR/BT file transfer (that
worked out of the box.)

> Sellphone companies are NEVER going to give up SELLING you access to your
> simple browsers unless there is mass murder at the front office.
>
> EVERY device must be COMPANY CONTROLLED, at all costs.

Give it a rest, Lar- just because you've only used Verizon and Alltel
doesn't mean every carrier acts like them.

So ditch the loony conspiracy theories, or at least tell us how they faked
the Moon landing again- at least that one is funny...

Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
news:ftcrdi$por$3@aioe.org:

>> EVERY device must be COMPANY CONTROLLED, at all costs.
>
> Give it a rest, Lar- just because you've only used Verizon and Alltel
> doesn't mean every carrier acts like them.
>
> So ditch the loony conspiracy theories, or at least tell us how they
> faked the Moon landing again- at least that one is funny...
>
>

My statement above stands, Verizon or no Verizon. Verizon is just the
worst case scenario. EVERY device MUST be COMPANY CONTROLLED or it will
never see the light of day.

Why do you think your iPhone has no external memory card slot and doesn't
run freeware off the net? COMPANY CONTROL at its worst.

On 2008-04-07, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
> news:ftcrdi$por$3@aioe.org:
>
>>> EVERY device must be COMPANY CONTROLLED, at all costs.
>>
>> Give it a rest, Lar- just because you've only used Verizon and Alltel
>> doesn't mean every carrier acts like them.
>>
>> So ditch the loony conspiracy theories, or at least tell us how they
>> faked the Moon landing again- at least that one is funny...
>
> My statement above stands, Verizon or no Verizon. Verizon is just the
> worst case scenario. EVERY device MUST be COMPANY CONTROLLED or it will
> never see the light of day.
>
> Why do you think your iPhone has no external memory card slot and doesn't
> run freeware off the net? COMPANY CONTROL at its worst.

I still don't get how you think the GSM carriers control the devices
on their networks. I've had several lines of GSM service for 7 or 8
years now but have only bought two phones from the carriers in that
time, one from T-Mobile and one from Cingular. Virtually all the
rest of the GSM phones I've had have been unbranded phones purchased
in Asia. I bring the phone back, put the US company SIM in the phone,
turn it on and use it. How does the US carrier get to edit the features
in my phone?

I don't buy smart phones with a lot of features since I'm stuck travelling
with a laptop regardless, but I'm curious to know how you think the
US GSM carriers control the selection of phones and features available
at the manufacturers' stores in Hong Kong, where most of the phones
I use come from.

Dennis Ferguson

Per Todd Allcock:
>No, Android phones will be typical cellphones with the Android OS. IIRC,
>AT&T and T-Mo have already committed to carrying a few when released.

Seems to me like if I'm not in a hurry to combine my PDA, and
cell phone I should wait for Android bco the open-ness of the
system.

That way, there's at least a chance that somebody will come out
with a device that incorporates a hard drive too - enabling me to
fold my iPod into the mix.

Also, it will avoid a repetition of my current dilemma, which is
having a whole lot of stuff in a proprietary hierarchical list DB
called "Brain Forest" on my Palm. Somebody, somewhere, will
come up with a functional analog and once I migrate my data I
should be good for many successive migrations to different
Linux/Android-based devices.

Does this sound rational to the technically-savvy?
--
PeteCresswell

Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, (PeteCresswell) said:

> Seems to me like if I'm not in a hurry to combine my PDA, and
> cell phone I should wait for Android bco the open-ness of the
> system.
>
> That way, there's at least a chance that somebody will come out
> with a device that incorporates a hard drive too - enabling me to
> fold my iPod into the mix.

I would be leery of a mobile phone device with a hard drive. Hard
drives are too fragile and unlike in laptops like the Toughbook and
some Thinkpads, there isn't enough room to provide sufficient shock
absorption.

How much media do you have on your iPod? The current iPhone, which is
an iPod Touch and cellphone mash-up, comes in 8 and 16GB sizes and I
would not be surprised to find the next hardware version to come in
32GB (no rumors or data to support it, just a personal guess and wish).

> Also, it will avoid a repetition of my current dilemma, which is
> having a whole lot of stuff in a proprietary hierarchical list DB
> called "Brain Forest" on my Palm. Somebody, somewhere, will

No matter what option you go with, odds are you will find up with some
kind of "proprietary" database structure for your data.

What I'm hoping for is that when I replace my Treo I'll be able to get
software for whatever I get from the developers I already use software
from. DataViz, Illium and Chapura already do WindowsMobile as well as
Palm, so I have hope that they'll do iPhone as well, but I'm not so
sure about Ultrasoft. I may have to give up on keeping my checkbook in
my PDA, but I'm reasonably confident that I can get my Datashield info
into something similar.

For me, whether I go with an iPhone or a WinMob device will depend on
what software becomes available for the iPhone in June/July. I would
love to be able to get a 32GB version as then I'd be able to put all of
my music onto it rather than merely most of my music (19GB of it so
far).

--
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At 07 Apr 2008 11:28:01 +0000 Larry wrote:

> My statement above stands, Verizon or no Verizon. Verizon is just the
> worst case scenario. EVERY device MUST be COMPANY CONTROLLED or it will
> never see the light of day.

Repeat it as often as you like, but it's still not true- look at the Nokia
Communicator series, or the N-series (including the N95) and you'll see
completely "uncrippled" handsets with removable data cards, unrestricted BT
OBEX file transfers- even GPS. And they'll work unrestricted on any GSM
carrier, including American carriers.

CDMA carriers exert more control because they can choose which handsets
they'll activate (and limit users to their own branded, crippled handsets
if they wish to.)

> Why do you think your iPhone...

"My" iPhone? ;-) No thank you!

> has no external memory card slot and doesn't
> run freeware off the net? COMPANY CONTROL at its worst.
>
Perhaps, but no carrier MAKES their subscribers use an iPhone!

Per Jeffrey Kaplan:
>How much media do you have on your iPod? The current iPhone, which is
>an iPod Touch and cellphone mash-up, comes in 8 and 16GB sizes and I
>would not be surprised to find the next hardware version to come in
>32GB (no rumors or data to support it, just a personal guess and wish).

36 gigs of media, 12 gigs of data.

Having all my media on it is a Nice-To-Have, but not a religious
issue.

I do, however, want at least 10 gigs discretionary space for data
transport.

You're the second one to point out to me that hard drives and
cell phones aren't exactly a marriage made in heaven.

Maybe my cell phones lead an easier life than most.... but I
don't *think* they get any more abuse than my iPod.

I guess dropping is the most obvious exposure. I've managed to
drop this particular iPod 3 times so far - each time causing an
extension of some screen artifacts but no obvious disc issues.

Couple years back, I established experimentally that a
prior-generation iPod will *not* survive a five-foot drop to a
concrete floor. -)
--
PeteCresswell

At 07 Apr 2008 14:12:28 -0400 (PeteCresswell) wrote:

> >No, Android phones will be typical cellphones with the Android OS.
> > IIRC, AT&T and T-Mo have already committed to carrying a few
> > when released.
>
> Seems to me like if I'm not in a hurry to combine my PDA, and
> cell phone I should wait for Android bco the open-ness of the
> system.


Perhaps. Choice is good. I'm not sure the "openness" will matter much to
the end user- Blackberries, Palm, Symbian and Windows Mobile, while not
open source, have thousands of apps available, which give them a head-start
over Android, if only because of Android's newness. Most, if not all, of
the existing Smartphone OSes offer free SDKs to their developers, so,
again, I'm not sure "open source" offers much of a practical advantage.

But if you're in no hurry, it certainly can't hurt to wait and see.

> That way, there's at least a chance that somebody will come out
> with a device that incorporates a hard drive too - enabling me to
> fold my iPod into the mix.


I wouldn't hold my breath- hard-disk-based MP3 players are selling in
lesser quantities as flash memory capacities increase, so I doubt cell
phone makers are rushing to embrace a less-popular technology with larger
power demands.


> Also, it will avoid a repetition of my current dilemma, which is
> having a whole lot of stuff in a proprietary hierarchical list DB
> called "Brain Forest" on my Palm. Somebody, somewhere, will
> come up with a functional analog and once I migrate my data I
> should be good for many successive migrations to different
> Linux/Android-based devices.


Perhaps. As Google Desktop search has taught us, however, as computing
power incrases, we all become lazier about intelligent filing and let
search tools do the work. I have several hundred "notes" files all living
in a single folder on my WinMo phone, and just let the device's search
function have at the whole kit and kaboodle if I need a particular piece of
info retrieved.

> Does this sound rational to the technically-savvy?


Sure, but it presupposes that 3rd-party developers embrace the platform,
which is often a cart/horse thing- developers are loathe to build apps for
a platform no one uses, and no one (except perhaps iPhone users!) wants to
buy an OS without a good number of useful apps available.