Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, (PeteCresswell) said:
> >How much media do you have on your iPod? The current iPhone, which is
> >an iPod Touch and cellphone mash-up, comes in 8 and 16GB sizes and I
> >would not be surprised to find the next hardware version to come in
> >32GB (no rumors or data to support it, just a personal guess and wish).
>
> 36 gigs of media, 12 gigs of data.
Then it would take a couple generations of iPhone to match that.
> Having all my media on it is a Nice-To-Have, but not a religious
> issue.
Same here. With the 16GB model, I'd probably put up to 13 or 14GB of
music and photos on it. Maybe some movies in rotation, but probably
not. The rest for phone and PDA stuff and sufficient free space to
ensure I have no space-related issues. If I wind up with a WinMob
device, scratch the music and photos, except for what I'd be using for
ring tones, backgrounds, etc.
> You're the second one to point out to me that hard drives and
> cell phones aren't exactly a marriage made in heaven.
>
> Maybe my cell phones lead an easier life than most.... but I
> don't *think* they get any more abuse than my iPod.
From what I've seen, when in use media players are generally mounted on
or in something, be it a pocket, sleeve, belt case, arm band, whatever.
I have never seen anyone cavort around with one like they do in the
iPod commercials, holding it in their hand (except to use a control).
Cellphones and PDAs, OTOH, do tend to be handheld a lot when in use,
which makes them more susceptible to dropping. And my own personal
experience follows that observation: I have dropped cellphones and
PDAs on occasion, but I cannot recall ever dropping my media player
while in use.
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"(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> wrote in
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> Linux/Android-based devices.
>
> Does this sound rational to the technically-savvy?
> --
> PeteCresswell
>
>
NOW you have the right concept!....(c;
Besides, the longer you wait the bigger the memory cards are gonna get lots
cheaper. 16GB is $59, now. The 32GB is $499, but that'll drop fast.
Wait just a little longer and there won't BE any hard drives....an old,
power hungry concept.
32GB on 2 cards, 256MB of EPROM and 128MB of RAM on Linux runs about 7
hours if you turn the damned display light down to dim. We need new
display lighting, next....
It'll run for DAYS with the display off.....useless, but shows you what the
big power hog is.....now.
Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in
news:nmqkv35m2if7ftbb1ll65rruj2454i5n9s@gordol.org :
> I would be leery of a mobile phone device with a hard drive. Hard
> drives are too fragile and unlike in laptops like the Toughbook and
> some Thinkpads, there isn't enough room to provide sufficient shock
> absorption.
>
That's not much of an issue in the last 10 years.
Here's specs for a 2.5" Western Digital 320GB drive:
"Environmental Specifications
Shock
Operating Shock (Read) 65G, 2 ms
Non-operating Shock 350G, 2 ms
Acoustics
Idle Mode 25 dBA (average)
Seek Mode 3 26 dBA (average)
Temperature (English)
Operating 32° F to 140° F
Non-operating -40° F to 149° F
Temperature (Metric)
Operating -0° C to 60° C
Non-operating -40° C to 65° C
Humidity
Operating 5-95% RH non-condensing
Non-operating 5-95% RH non-condensing
Altitude (English)
Operating -1,000 feet to 10,000 feet
Non-operating -1,000 feet to 40,000 feet
Altitude (Metric)
Operating -305M to 3,050M
Non-operating -305M to 12,200M
Vibration
Operating
Linear 20-300 Hz, 0.75 G (0 to peak)
Random 7-500 Hz (0.00221 g² / Hz)
Non-operating
Low Frequency 10-300 Hz, 0.195 inches (double amplitude)
High Frequency 300-500 Hz, 5.0G (0 to peak)"
350G is quite a fall onto something solid!
65G operating is simply amazing...
The first IBM drum memory I saw stored something like 8KB, was really
HUGE and crashed every time a truck went by within 1/2 a mile of it.
They wouldn't let us actually NEAR it, just look at it through a window
for fear we'd crash it.
I saw the inside of an iPhone. 65G of shock is a pipedream!
Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in
news:nmqkv35m2if7ftbb1ll65rruj2454i5n9s@gordol.org :
> I would
> love to be able to get a 32GB version as then I'd be able to put all of
> my music onto it rather than merely most of my music (19GB of it so
> far).
>
How about a 32GB N800 with SD cards you can change without sending it back
to the factory?....(c;
You KNOW I HAD to mention it......hee hee....(c;
You can even carry an extra $19 BATTERY and change it yourself!
> Is only the number stored on this card??
>
> I don't think so.....but I could be wrong. I'm a CDMA customer, hard
> coded...
While GSM phones have serial numbers (IMEIs), GSM operators active the
SIM's serial number, which can be placed in any compatible device.
SIMs store the user's phone number, and can store a couple hundred contact
names/phone numbers (so you cantransfer your phone book from phone to phone
as well.)
To put it in AMPS terms, a SIM is essentially a removable NAM.
> Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in
> news:nmqkv35m2if7ftbb1ll65rruj2454i5n9s@gordol.org :
>
> > I would
> > love to be able to get a 32GB version as then I'd be able to put all of
> > my music onto it rather than merely most of my music (19GB of it so
> > far).
> >
>
> How about a 32GB N800 with SD cards you can change without sending it back
> to the factory?....(c;
How about a phone device?
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Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in
news:rs1nv3pilus31kto3t4ptcur7kdpcvl7ko@gordol.org :
> How about a phone device?
>
>
Mine is a MotoROKR Z6m. tiny little slidephone MODEM for the tablet to
use. It's MUCH easier to use as a sellphone than any big screen device
like an iPhone. I bought it for its Bluetooth DUN capabilities for my
tablet's use as an EVDO modem on Alltel. $50 after rebate.
Its ring and stereo audio is LOUD, the 2Megapixel cam is great. It will
take a 2GB microSD card full of MP3 straight off your computer to play
on its "ok" music player. It has a USB charging/data camera USB plug
and charger. It also has a STANDARD 3.5mm stereo headphone jack any
headphones will run from for great music playing.
This is a Linux-based device, but the web browser is typical SELLphone.
It sucks, but I don't care as the tablet has 800-pixel wide real Opera
or Firefox browsers, not some crippled web browser that won't display
the page. The tablet lacks JAVA but does Javascript fine. Flash 9
comes in the tablet for YouTube, etc. Of course, once you bypass the
SELLphone company crippling only using the phone for DATA, the tablet is
uncontrolled by the Sellphone bureaucrats so everything runs.
This fascination with a single device would be just fine....IF THE
SELLPHONE COMPANIES WOULD STOP CRIPPLING THE SINGLE DEVICE. They won't
so the 2-piece is MUCH better....
Of course, if you're going to call someone overseas or want to talk for
a long period during the SELLphone Primetime weekday eating up airtime,
just boot Skype on the tablet and make the call on unlimited data using
Skype Pro....bypassing all this SELLphone charging bullshit,
entirely....(c;
Skype works fine over 1X, EVDO, EDGE and "they" can't block it because
Skype uses ANY port number it selects at random or you select manually.
If the SELLphone bureaucrats block all the ports, people get really
angry having no internet access...so they can't. They can't "test for
Skype" because the data Skype transfers uses 256-bit heavy encryption!
Even the NSA bureaucrats would never get the key during your
conversation and EVERY call uses a different key. Skype is lots more
secure than SELLphones.....(c;
> > How about a phone device?
> Mine is a MotoROKR Z6m. tiny little slidephone MODEM for the tablet to
> use. It's MUCH easier to use as a sellphone than any big screen device
> like an iPhone. I bought it for its Bluetooth DUN capabilities for my
> tablet's use as an EVDO modem on Alltel. $50 after rebate.
I used a Kyocera 7135 with VZW and now a Treo with at&t for a reason: I
prefer to use a PDA/phone combo (aka "smartphone").
> This fascination with a single device would be just fine....IF THE
> SELLPHONE COMPANIES WOULD STOP CRIPPLING THE SINGLE DEVICE. They won't
> so the 2-piece is MUCH better....
My Treo is not crippled by the cellphone company. It's limitations are
due to limitations of the OS, not the cellular company. Get off that
dead horse already, the world is not controlled by Verizon Wireless.
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On 2008-04-08, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote in
> news:slrnfvklga.4g.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com:
>
>> put the US company SIM in the phone
>
> Is only the number stored on this card??
>
> I don't think so.....but I could be wrong. I'm a CDMA customer, hard
> coded...
I'm not even sure the phone number is on there. There's the
subscriber identity serial number and the authentication keys
to go with it, the home network and network name to display
on the phone, stuff about how to send SMS messages and get voice
mail and things like that, but that's about all the standard stuff
there is on the SIM. The network operator can add Value Added
Service stuff to the SIM, but this only does anything if there
is software on the phone which knows what to do with it and an
unbranded phone won't have that. I guess the operator could
use this to restrict their service, or parts of their service,
to handsets they supply, but in my experience neither of the
big US GSM operators does that. The features on standard overseas
phones work pretty much as well as the equipment the operators sell,
and the equipment the operators sell is usually only mildly
brain-deadened, if at all, compared to the unbranded stuff.
In any case, there's not enough stuff on the SIM card that an unbranded
phone takes notice of for the operator to be able to effect much of
anything at all. The GSM operators will of course do what they can
with their network to make you want to buy more stuff, but they can't
(or don't) generally do it by hobbling the equipment.
Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in
news:0vfnv3dm21gv5sh100llf073rs21olsg1g@gordol.org :
> My Treo is not crippled by the cellphone company. It's limitations are
> due to limitations of the OS, not the cellular company. Get off that
> dead horse already, the world is not controlled by Verizon Wireless.
>
>
Is the Treo Palm or WM5? You can run all your software and USB or
Bluetooth or Internet sync the Garnet Virtual Machine, which runs all your
Palm software on the N800 tablet. They do need to rotate the Palm Pilot
display 90 degrees and make it FULL SCREEN on the tablet, but it's uncanny
how fast Palm software runs under this Virtual Machine from Garnet, itself.
Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote in
news:slrnfvnrua.5f.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com:
> In any case, there's not enough stuff on the SIM card that an unbranded
> phone takes notice of for the operator to be able to effect much of
> anything at all. The GSM operators will of course do what they can
> with their network to make you want to buy more stuff, but they can't
> (or don't) generally do it by hobbling the equipment.
>
> Dennis Ferguson
>
>
Seems stupid the SIM isn't encrypted in such a way as the operator can make
it ignore any hardware he doesn't sell, or want it to. Just doesn't make
any sense. It would be so easy....
> Seems stupid the SIM isn't encrypted in such a way as the operator can make
> it ignore any hardware he doesn't sell, or want it to. Just doesn't make
> any sense. It would be so easy....
Part of the whole point of the SIM standard for GSM is for phone
interoperability. You pay the cellular provider for the service, not
the hardware.
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> Is the Treo Palm or WM5? You can run all your software and USB or
My Treo is Palm.
> Bluetooth or Internet sync the Garnet Virtual Machine, which runs all your
> Palm software on the N800 tablet. They do need to rotate the Palm Pilot
Get it through your thick skull already: I do NOT want a tablet. I do
NOT want to carry a phone and a PDA. I want a SINGLE device that does
both. And there are plenty that do both. So shut up about the Nokia
already, it is NOT want I want.
You're happy with it, great, be happy with it. It's not the type of
device I want.
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> Seems stupid the SIM isn't encrypted in such a way as the operator can
make
> it ignore any hardware he doesn't sell, or want it to.
I believe Tracfone's SIMs are rigged to prevent use in non-Tracfones, so
it's possible.
> Just doesn't make
> any sense. It would be so easy....
Again, you're thinking like a American CDMA operator- the GSM operators
just don't care if you choose a non-branded (or unlocked) handset. They
sell phone service- if having an unlocked, unbranded Nokia N95 makes you
happy, you'll be that much more likely to keep paying your monthly fees.
I'm sure T-Mo and AT&T have the ability to restrict the use of certain
handsets, but they seem to lack the desire.
> I think that's why ATT is still and EDGE provider, to reduce the
> uncontrollable data loads by restricting speed.....It makes business sense.
AT&T has 3G in major cities as well - EDGE is a fallback, just as Verizon,
Sprint, Alltel, etc. drop to lower speeds outside their 3G footprints.
Don't confuse the iPhone's lack of 3G hardware with AT&T's 3G availability.
AT&T, like Verizon, is spectrum-rich. Like Verizon, they control two
licenses in many areas.
> At 09 Apr 2008 14:20:44 +0000 Larry wrote:
>
>> I think that's why ATT is still and EDGE provider, to reduce the
>> uncontrollable data loads by restricting speed.....It makes business sense.
>
>
> AT&T has 3G in major cities as well - EDGE is a fallback, just as Verizon,
> Sprint, Alltel, etc. drop to lower speeds outside their 3G footprints.
> Don't confuse the iPhone's lack of 3G hardware with AT&T's 3G availability.
>
> AT&T, like Verizon, is spectrum-rich. Like Verizon, they control two
> licenses in many areas.
Well said.
And I haven't had an issue finding 3G coverage in any city I've
visited.
I can't believe the iPhone has been this successful without it thus
far, honestly. Once it gets it, bar the door I think. I'd have
gotten one if iPhone had 3G at the time, but alas, I sit with the
functional but clunky AT&T tilt.
"Todd H." <t@toddh.net> wrote in message
news:84iqyrexlm@news.giganews.com...
> I can't believe the iPhone has been this successful without it thus
> far, honestly. Once it gets it, bar the door I think. I'd have
> gotten one if iPhone had 3G at the time, but alas, I sit with the
> functional but clunky AT&T tilt.
I think the iPhone sells to a different market. For many it's a combo
iPod/phone- the web access is just a "bonus." Besides, EDGE is just fine
for e-mail, and frankly it's fine for browsing on "dumbphones" since they're
generally pulling small mobile-formatted webpages. It's the "real browser"
that's both the iPhone blessing and curse- it's beautiful, but requires more
bandwidth to pull "real" pages than a Nokia candy-bar phone's WAP/XHTML
browser does.
However, I think it's a non-issue for many folks- there's a significant
number of people (and I'm NOT one of them!) that just doesn't want to fool
with the web on a 3-4" screen. My wife is one- no matter how fast the
connection is, or how quickly the screen renders, she'd rather wait until
she's in front of a large display to surf the web, but she's addicted to
mobile e-mail. (Unfortunately for Apple she's also addicted to QWERTY
thumbboards, so she refused my offer to jump to an unlocked iPhone from her
T-Mobile Dash, a "Blackberry-style" WM Smartphone.)
Also, the future of the mobile web, IMHO, is more in internet-powered apps
than browsing- I find myself using Windows Live Search , for example, rather
than Internet Explorer for things like movie listings and "411" lookups- WLS
makes it easier finding "nearby" info than futzing with pulling up a
webpage, and entering a bunch of required info (city, state, zip, etc.)
before even telling it what I'm looking for.
I'm envious of your Tilt, but, alas, it's 3G is incompatible with T-Mo's
upcoming non-standard 1700MHz implementation. My old MDA/HTC Wizard (also
functional but clunky!) continues to serve me well until something 3G (and
hopefully thinner/less clunky!) comes along. I'd miss far too much WinMo
functionality downgrading to an iPhone in it's current state, but who knows
what June and "2.0" will bring...
In article <ftir6s$dfb$1@aioe.org>, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
> AT&T has 3G in major cities as well - EDGE is a fallback, just as Verizon,
> Sprint, Alltel, etc. drop to lower speeds outside their 3G footprints.
> Don't confuse the iPhone's lack of 3G hardware with AT&T's 3G availability.
As a matter of fact in my travels here in the northeast my Verizon
phone falls back often from EV to 1X.
In article <oB7Lj.2018$Ww3.1980@fe115.usenetserver.com>,
"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
> "Todd H." <t@toddh.net> wrote in message
> news:84iqyrexlm@news.giganews.com...
>
> > I can't believe the iPhone has been this successful without it thus
> > far, honestly. Once it gets it, bar the door I think. I'd have
> > gotten one if iPhone had 3G at the time, but alas, I sit with the
> > functional but clunky AT&T tilt.
>
> I think the iPhone sells to a different market. For many it's a combo
> iPod/phone- the web access is just a "bonus." Besides, EDGE is just fine
> for e-mail, and frankly it's fine for browsing on "dumbphones" since they're
> generally pulling small mobile-formatted webpages. It's the "real browser"
> that's both the iPhone blessing and curse- it's beautiful, but requires more
> bandwidth to pull "real" pages than a Nokia candy-bar phone's WAP/XHTML
> browser does.
I spend a lot of time, both with Wi_fi and with EDGE accessing full web
pages (very few of my bookmarks are mobile optimized). The iPhone easily
allows for these full pages. Pulls them pretty quickly. I've never used
mine for an iPod, but mostly web and email. Voice and text less
frequently. Most of my friends and business associates (so many have
left the Blackberry) use it much the same.
"Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
news:labolide-042C13.19083309042008@news.giganews.com...
> I spend a lot of time, both with Wi_fi and with EDGE accessing full web
> pages (very few of my bookmarks are mobile optimized). The iPhone easily
> allows for these full pages. Pulls them pretty quickly. I've never used
> mine for an iPod, but mostly web and email. Voice and text less
> frequently. Most of my friends and business associates (so many have
> left the Blackberry) use it much the same.
So were all these friends and business associates just "hobbyist" BB owners?
(Meaning using it for their own IMAP and POP3 e-mail, rather than a
corporate BES...) It seems unlikely a company that placed a value on the
security of BES would chuck it all just because a "cool" phone hit the
market.
In article <4HsLj.666$Ms6.223@fe107.usenetserver.com>,
"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
> "Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
> news:labolide-042C13.19083309042008@news.giganews.com...
>
> > I spend a lot of time, both with Wi_fi and with EDGE accessing full web
> > pages (very few of my bookmarks are mobile optimized). The iPhone easily
> > allows for these full pages. Pulls them pretty quickly. I've never used
> > mine for an iPod, but mostly web and email. Voice and text less
> > frequently. Most of my friends and business associates (so many have
> > left the Blackberry) use it much the same.
>
> So were all these friends and business associates just "hobbyist" BB owners?
> (Meaning using it for their own IMAP and POP3 e-mail, rather than a
> corporate BES...) It seems unlikely a company that placed a value on the
> security of BES would chuck it all just because a "cool" phone hit the
> market.
"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
news:4HsLj.666$Ms6.223@fe107.usenetserver.com:
>
> "Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
> news:labolide-042C13.19083309042008@news.giganews.com...
>
>> I spend a lot of time, both with Wi_fi and with EDGE accessing full
>> web pages (very few of my bookmarks are mobile optimized). The iPhone
>> easily allows for these full pages. Pulls them pretty quickly. I've
>> never used mine for an iPod, but mostly web and email. Voice and text
>> less frequently. Most of my friends and business associates (so many
>> have left the Blackberry) use it much the same.
>
> So were all these friends and business associates just "hobbyist" BB
> owners? (Meaning using it for their own IMAP and POP3 e-mail, rather
> than a corporate BES...) It seems unlikely a company that placed a
> value on the security of BES would chuck it all just because a "cool"
> phone hit the market.
>
>
>
>
And does their corporation allow CAMERAS in the building? That's another
real threat to corporate security....
In article <Xns9A7CA455019BDnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
> news:4HsLj.666$Ms6.223@fe107.usenetserver.com:
>
> >
> > "Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:labolide-042C13.19083309042008@news.giganews.com...
> >
> >> I spend a lot of time, both with Wi_fi and with EDGE accessing full
> >> web pages (very few of my bookmarks are mobile optimized). The iPhone
> >> easily allows for these full pages. Pulls them pretty quickly. I've
> >> never used mine for an iPod, but mostly web and email. Voice and text
> >> less frequently. Most of my friends and business associates (so many
> >> have left the Blackberry) use it much the same.
> >
> > So were all these friends and business associates just "hobbyist" BB
> > owners? (Meaning using it for their own IMAP and POP3 e-mail, rather
> > than a corporate BES...) It seems unlikely a company that placed a
> > value on the security of BES would chuck it all just because a "cool"
> > phone hit the market.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> And does their corporation allow CAMERAS in the building? That's another
> real threat to corporate security....
> > And does their corporation allow CAMERAS in the building? That's
another
> > real threat to corporate security....
>
> Upskirts.
>
Except these days the office gals tend to get suspicious when you dangle
your phone at floor level from the end of a telescopic rod "trying to find
a good signal." ;-)
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