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Old 03-27-2008, 03:43 AM
Robert A. Fink, M. D.
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Default Replacement of PDA and phone

My wife's PDA (an ancient Palm m515) has finally gone to heaven and
her RAZR v 3 phone is showing signs of senility. She is considering
replacement with a "smart phone" of some type, and I might just go
along as well (I use a RAZR and a Palm Tungsten C PDA which is still
working OK).

We have looked at several units and nothing appears to be "just
right". Our impressions to date:

1. The Treo phones (using the Palm OS) are somewhat long in the tooth.
The future for the Palm OS is also questionable. We like the Palm OS,
but it seems to be "moving on".

2. The units running the Windows Mobile system, I am told, are slow
and kludgy.

3. The Blackberry units are difficult to type on, and again, there is
an OS problem. Are the operating systems interchangeable (for example,
if we buy something other than a Palm-based unit, will we be able to
synch all of our present Palm data onto the new unit)?

4. The Apple iPhone appears to be a nice piece of equipment, but it
has several shortcomings, including having to work through iTunes,
battery replacement problems, a "mediocre" phone (by report), not
compatible with 3G service (I use ATT's Laptop Connect service); and
it remains relatively pricey.

Any thoughts from this Group?


Many thanks,

Bob

Robert A. Fink, M. D., FACS, P. C.
Neurological Surgery
2500 Milvia Street Suite 222
Berkeley, CA 94704-2636 USA
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Old 03-27-2008, 02:49 PM
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Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:

> 4. The Apple iPhone appears to be a nice piece of equipment, but it
> has several shortcomings, including having to work through iTunes,
> battery replacement problems, a "mediocre" phone (by report), not
> compatible with 3G service (I use ATT's Laptop Connect service); and
> it remains relatively pricey.


The iPhone is actually not all that pricey, but it's limited in
functionality. Definitely wait for the new 3G model if going with the
iPhone.

The best choice is the HTC Tilt 8925 / TyTN II (Kaiser). This is far
more fully featured than the iPhone, with 3G, voice-dialing, GPS, and a
better OS. It's about the same price as the iPhone because you get a
discount for a contract renewal.

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Old 03-27-2008, 04:29 PM
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Default Re: Replacement of PDA and phone

In article <401mu3hj2qpmvm4i3b037ug3affdfb4unq@4ax.com>,
"Robert A. Fink, M. D." <lynxer@comcast.net> wrote:

> My wife's PDA (an ancient Palm m515) has finally gone to heaven and
> her RAZR v 3 phone is showing signs of senility. She is considering
> replacement with a "smart phone" of some type, and I might just go
> along as well (I use a RAZR and a Palm Tungsten C PDA which is still
> working OK).
>
> We have looked at several units and nothing appears to be "just
> right". Our impressions to date:
>
> 1. The Treo phones (using the Palm OS) are somewhat long in the tooth.
> The future for the Palm OS is also questionable. We like the Palm OS,
> but it seems to be "moving on".
>
> 2. The units running the Windows Mobile system, I am told, are slow
> and kludgy.
>
> 3. The Blackberry units are difficult to type on, and again, there is
> an OS problem. Are the operating systems interchangeable (for example,
> if we buy something other than a Palm-based unit, will we be able to
> synch all of our present Palm data onto the new unit)?
>
> 4. The Apple iPhone appears to be a nice piece of equipment, but it
> has several shortcomings, including having to work through iTunes,
> battery replacement problems, a "mediocre" phone (by report), not
> compatible with 3G service (I use ATT's Laptop Connect service); and
> it remains relatively pricey.
>
> Any thoughts from this Group?
>

I went from a Treo 650 to an iPhone and never looked back. I use the
WiFi for data much more that I do the phone data connection. Have found
data speed to be fine for web browsing and email. Going through iTunes
is so much easier than the old Palm Desktop, especially when you factor
in that you get regular system updates through it. Also syncs nicely
(with no additional software) Entourage. It was a breeze to convert my
Palm contacts into Entourage and then sync all with the iPhone.
There are a couple ways to to do this.
Keyboard (when you need it) is nice and big. Spellchecker function is
cool. Big screen and enlargement function make web browsing practical.
Had mine since last July and battery is fine. Charges quickly.

Bottom line, much more fun and intuitive to use. My wife was so happy to
get a phone where she could actually use all the functions.

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Old 03-27-2008, 04:33 PM
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Default Re: Replacement of PDA and phone

Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, SMS said:

> > 4. The Apple iPhone appears to be a nice piece of equipment, but it
> > has several shortcomings, including having to work through iTunes,
> > battery replacement problems, a "mediocre" phone (by report), not
> > compatible with 3G service (I use ATT's Laptop Connect service); and
> > it remains relatively pricey.


[snip iPhone]

> The best choice is the HTC Tilt 8925 / TyTN II (Kaiser). This is far
> more fully featured than the iPhone, with 3G, voice-dialing, GPS, and a
> better OS. It's about the same price as the iPhone because you get a
> discount for a contract renewal.


I thought you said it had a better OS, it runs WinMob...

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Old 03-27-2008, 04:49 PM
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Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
> Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, SMS said:
>
>>> 4. The Apple iPhone appears to be a nice piece of equipment, but it
>>> has several shortcomings, including having to work through iTunes,
>>> battery replacement problems, a "mediocre" phone (by report), not
>>> compatible with 3G service (I use ATT's Laptop Connect service); and
>>> it remains relatively pricey.

>
> [snip iPhone]
>
>> The best choice is the HTC Tilt 8925 / TyTN II (Kaiser). This is far
>> more fully featured than the iPhone, with 3G, voice-dialing, GPS, and a
>> better OS. It's about the same price as the iPhone because you get a
>> discount for a contract renewal.

>
> I thought you said it had a better OS, it runs WinMob...


I should have used a more descriptive word than "better."

Windows Mobile allows you to run thousands of applications, includes
Exchange support (yes I know it's being added to the iPhone soon), and
lets you create and edit Office documents.

It's true that the iPhone OS is more stable and its limited
functionality makes it easier to learn and use. If stability and ease of
use is more important than functionality, then indeed the iPhone OS is a
better choice.

For someone needing a true PDA, the HTC Tilt is the best choice on AT&T.
For needing just a web browser, music player, and quad-band phone, but
not needing PDA functionality, the iPhone is a better choice.


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Old 03-27-2008, 05:00 PM
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SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> writes:

> Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
>
>> 4. The Apple iPhone appears to be a nice piece of equipment, but it
>> has several shortcomings, including having to work through iTunes,
>> battery replacement problems, a "mediocre" phone (by report), not
>> compatible with 3G service (I use ATT's Laptop Connect service); and
>> it remains relatively pricey.

>
> The iPhone is actually not all that pricey, but it's limited in
> functionality. Definitely wait for the new 3G model if going with the
> iPhone.
>
> The best choice is the HTC Tilt 8925 / TyTN II (Kaiser). This is far
> more fully featured than the iPhone, with 3G, voice-dialing, GPS, and
> a better OS. It's about the same price as the iPhone because you get a
> discount for a contract renewal.



I have the 8925 Tilt and use it primarily for travelling on
business. It is Windows Mobile 6 based. The data rates are
outstanding, people I talk to on the speakerphone report that it
sounds outstanding (though the weenie speaker is prone to distortion
on the listening end). On the downside, the camera sucks, and
it's a touch screen PDA first, and a phone second with all the
attendant user interface issues.

As for using it was a PDA, it includes outlook and does that
brilliantly. I've yet to pay for the software to convert over my Palm
Desktop datebook into Outlook so it can sync to it, but I'm getting
ready to as I start to use the phone more. Integrated GPS + Google
Maps makes the Tilt a lot of fun.

Being able to run wififofum on the Tilt and look for wireless access
points, and log their GPS location is kinda novel. War driving in a
calculator, if you're so inclined.


BUT, when I'm at home, I much prefer to carry my Motorola Krzr instead
of the Tilt just because the size difference, and I prefer to have an
exposed keyboard on the phone and not have to slide or deal with a
touch screen for dialing and hanging up, etc.

The iPhone which I've also used is a far more satisfying interactive
experience verus the Tilt with the speed of the display and
responsiveness, and such, but its apalling lack of HSDPA data support
makes it pretty worthless for tethering. Once the iPhone has
integrated GPS and 3G data support though, the Tilt will feel like an
also ran.

If my company forces the BlackBerry Curve on me, I won't be too
upset. I like its keyboard versus the Tilt in that you dont' have to
Tilt it to get at it, but obviously the BlackBerry isn't nearly as
flexible a device, lacks GPS, doesn't have an 802.11 radio in it,
isn't as open a software platform, etc.


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Old 03-27-2008, 05:13 PM
Jeffrey Kaplan
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Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, SMS said:

> >> The best choice is the HTC Tilt 8925 / TyTN II (Kaiser). This is far
> >> more fully featured than the iPhone, with 3G, voice-dialing, GPS, and a
> >> better OS. It's about the same price as the iPhone because you get a
> >> discount for a contract renewal.

> >
> > I thought you said it had a better OS, it runs WinMob...

>
> I should have used a more descriptive word than "better."
>
> Windows Mobile allows you to run thousands of applications, includes
> Exchange support (yes I know it's being added to the iPhone soon), and
> lets you create and edit Office documents.


So does Palm. I'm currently a Palm user (Treo 680), and have been
since the IIIx was top-of-the-line. My next device will probably be an
iPhone, unless there is no software I want for it. I have some minimal
requirements on available software that I MUST have, including a
encrypted data keeper (passwords, bank account info, etc), decent
calendar like DateBk6, and a few others, all self-contained and NOT a
so-called "web app".

Unless the next-gen iPhone, rumored to be released sometime around
June, has at least 30G of storage, I'm not that interested in using it
as a media player though (I have over 17G of music files), as I already
have an iPod Classic.

> It's true that the iPhone OS is more stable and its limited
> functionality makes it easier to learn and use. If stability and ease of
> use is more important than functionality, then indeed the iPhone OS is a
> better choice.


That statement makes me chuckle. What good is a bazilion features and
programs, if the thing constantly falls over due to stability issues?
Stability is Function Number 1.

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Old 03-27-2008, 05:56 PM
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"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:47eba508$0$36397$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
>
>> 4. The Apple iPhone appears to be a nice piece of equipment, but it
>> has several shortcomings, including having to work through iTunes,
>> battery replacement problems, a "mediocre" phone (by report), not
>> compatible with 3G service (I use ATT's Laptop Connect service); and
>> it remains relatively pricey.

>
> The iPhone is actually not all that pricey, but it's limited in
> functionality. Definitely wait for the new 3G model if going with the
> iPhone.
>
> The best choice is the HTC Tilt 8925 / TyTN II (Kaiser). This is far more
> fully featured than the iPhone, with 3G, voice-dialing, GPS, and a better
> OS. It's about the same price as the iPhone because you get a discount for
> a contract renewal.


Costco has the tilt, Comes with 12V cord leather case and a Bluetooth
headset which was the moto rechargeable one that was selling for 79.99.

The complete kit was 249.99 after rebate. Add all that to the iPhone, and
the iPhone is over twice the price.


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Old 03-27-2008, 06:10 PM
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In article <clQGj.5$Gq7.4@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
"Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
> news:47eba508$0$36397$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> > Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
> >
> >> 4. The Apple iPhone appears to be a nice piece of equipment, but it
> >> has several shortcomings, including having to work through iTunes,
> >> battery replacement problems, a "mediocre" phone (by report), not
> >> compatible with 3G service (I use ATT's Laptop Connect service); and
> >> it remains relatively pricey.

> >
> > The iPhone is actually not all that pricey, but it's limited in
> > functionality. Definitely wait for the new 3G model if going with the
> > iPhone.
> >
> > The best choice is the HTC Tilt 8925 / TyTN II (Kaiser). This is far more
> > fully featured than the iPhone, with 3G, voice-dialing, GPS, and a better
> > OS. It's about the same price as the iPhone because you get a discount for
> > a contract renewal.

>
> Costco has the tilt, Comes with 12V cord leather case and a Bluetooth
> headset which was the moto rechargeable one that was selling for 79.99.
>
> The complete kit was 249.99 after rebate. Add all that to the iPhone, and
> the iPhone is over twice the price.


Both are chump change compared to monthly phone/data/tax charges.
You could pay that in one month's usage.

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Old 03-27-2008, 06:19 PM
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"Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
news:labolide-2F0934.10100027032008@news.giganews.com...
> In article <clQGj.5$Gq7.4@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
> "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:47eba508$0$36397$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>> > Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
>> >
>> >> 4. The Apple iPhone appears to be a nice piece of equipment, but it
>> >> has several shortcomings, including having to work through iTunes,
>> >> battery replacement problems, a "mediocre" phone (by report), not
>> >> compatible with 3G service (I use ATT's Laptop Connect service); and
>> >> it remains relatively pricey.
>> >
>> > The iPhone is actually not all that pricey, but it's limited in
>> > functionality. Definitely wait for the new 3G model if going with the
>> > iPhone.
>> >
>> > The best choice is the HTC Tilt 8925 / TyTN II (Kaiser). This is far
>> > more
>> > fully featured than the iPhone, with 3G, voice-dialing, GPS, and a
>> > better
>> > OS. It's about the same price as the iPhone because you get a discount
>> > for
>> > a contract renewal.

>>
>> Costco has the tilt, Comes with 12V cord leather case and a Bluetooth
>> headset which was the moto rechargeable one that was selling for 79.99.
>>
>> The complete kit was 249.99 after rebate. Add all that to the iPhone, and
>> the iPhone is over twice the price.

>
> Both are chump change compared to monthly phone/data/tax charges.
> You could pay that in one month's usage.
>
> --
> To reply by email, remove the word "space"



The Tilt uses 3G which is 30.00 a month unlimited use. Add 5.00 a moth for
200 text's if needed. He was talking about the cost of the Iphone as to the
tilt being almost the same price. The Tilt is less then half the price of
the Iphone and does much more the the iPhone both now and later on down the
road. Even If apple were to add 3G and Microsoft apps. You can replace the
battery and add more Flash mem when ever you want.


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Old 03-27-2008, 07:08 PM
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"Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> writes:

> The Tilt uses 3G which is 30.00 a month unlimited use.


And make that $60/mo if you want to do tethering.

I paid about $300 after $100 rebate for mine, but was an early
adopter.

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Old 03-27-2008, 07:10 PM
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In article <QGQGj.427$Nc5.388@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
"Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> "Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
> news:labolide-2F0934.10100027032008@news.giganews.com...
> > In article <clQGj.5$Gq7.4@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
> > "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:47eba508$0$36397$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> >> > Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> 4. The Apple iPhone appears to be a nice piece of equipment, but it
> >> >> has several shortcomings, including having to work through iTunes,
> >> >> battery replacement problems, a "mediocre" phone (by report), not
> >> >> compatible with 3G service (I use ATT's Laptop Connect service); and
> >> >> it remains relatively pricey.
> >> >
> >> > The iPhone is actually not all that pricey, but it's limited in
> >> > functionality. Definitely wait for the new 3G model if going with the
> >> > iPhone.
> >> >
> >> > The best choice is the HTC Tilt 8925 / TyTN II (Kaiser). This is far
> >> > more
> >> > fully featured than the iPhone, with 3G, voice-dialing, GPS, and a
> >> > better
> >> > OS. It's about the same price as the iPhone because you get a discount
> >> > for
> >> > a contract renewal.
> >>
> >> Costco has the tilt, Comes with 12V cord leather case and a Bluetooth
> >> headset which was the moto rechargeable one that was selling for 79.99.
> >>
> >> The complete kit was 249.99 after rebate. Add all that to the iPhone, and
> >> the iPhone is over twice the price.

> >
> > Both are chump change compared to monthly phone/data/tax charges.
> > You could pay that in one month's usage.
> >
> > --
> > To reply by email, remove the word "space"

>
>
> The Tilt uses 3G which is 30.00 a month unlimited use. Add 5.00 a moth for
> 200 text's if needed. He was talking about the cost of the Iphone as to the
> tilt being almost the same price. The Tilt is less then half the price of
> the Iphone and does much more the the iPhone both now and later on down the
> road. Even If apple were to add 3G and Microsoft apps. You can replace the
> battery and add more Flash mem when ever you want.


Yes, but the bigger picture bottom line is overall cost and the
functions you need.

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Old 03-27-2008, 08:46 PM
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At 27 Mar 2008 11:33:40 -0400 Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:

> I thought you said it had a better OS, it runs WinMob...


Personally I love WinMo, but it's an OS that I'd only wish on both my
dearest friends and my worst enemies.

It'sthe most versitile mobile OS out there, but it's finicky and requires a
bit of TLC.

On the one hand, there are thousands of apps for it that will allow a PDA
to be essentially a full PC in terms of functionality, but in return you
get a clunky device (touchscreen "brick-sized" WinMo phones are far more
functional than the slimmer "smartphones" like the Moto Q) poor battery
life and a bit of a learning curve.

But a WinMo device can replace a laptop in ways no other phone on the
market can. I rarely take a laptop on trips any more- my WinMo phone is my
media player, e-mail/Outlook/internet device, and I can remote into my
desktop when necessary for the rare odd task my phone can't handle.



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Old 03-27-2008, 08:52 PM
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At 27 Mar 2008 12:13:11 -0400 Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:


> > It's true that the iPhone OS is more stable and its limited
> > functionality makes it easier to learn and use. If stability and ease

of
> > use is more important than functionality, then indeed the iPhone OS is

a
> > better choice.

>
> That statement makes me chuckle. What good is a bazilion features and
> programs, if the thing constantly falls over due to stability issues?
> Stability is Function Number 1.


I disagree- functionality is function number 1, stability is number two.
My old Nokia candtybar dumbphones are the most stable phones I've ever owned,
but I require more than phone calls and texting.

My WinMo device handles memory rather poorly- the amount of available RAM
decreases throught the day requiring the occasional nightly reboot to
reclaim it- that's a level of "instability" I'm more than willing to put up
with in return for carrying a "laptop" in my pocket.




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Old 03-27-2008, 09:42 PM
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Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Todd Allcock said:

> > That statement makes me chuckle. What good is a bazilion features and
> > programs, if the thing constantly falls over due to stability issues?
> > Stability is Function Number 1.

>
> I disagree- functionality is function number 1, stability is number two.
> My old Nokia candtybar dumbphones are the most stable phones I've ever owned,
> but I require more than phone calls and texting.


But if the thing constantly falls down, it's hard to use those
features.

> My WinMo device handles memory rather poorly- the amount of available RAM
> decreases throught the day requiring the occasional nightly reboot to
> reclaim it- that's a level of "instability" I'm more than willing to put up
> with in return for carrying a "laptop" in my pocket.


Close your apps, don't just switch out of them.

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Old 03-27-2008, 10:13 PM
Robert A. Fink, M. D.
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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:00:50 -0500, t@toddh.net (Todd H.) wrote:

>I've yet to pay for the software to convert over my Palm
>Desktop datebook into Outlook so it can sync to it, but I'm getting
>ready to as I start to use the phone more.



Tell me more. If I buy an iPhone (or one of the other non-Palm
devices), what do I need to do to transfer the data stored on my Palm
Tungsten C to a new device?

Best,

Bob

Robert A. Fink, M. D., FACS, P. C.
Neurological Surgery
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Berkeley, CA 94704-2636 USA
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:13 PM
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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:10:00 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com>
wrote:

>> Costco has the tilt, Comes with 12V cord leather case and a Bluetooth
>> headset which was the moto rechargeable one that was selling for 79.99.
>>
>> The complete kit was 249.99 after rebate. Add all that to the iPhone, and
>> the iPhone is over twice the price.

>
>Both are chump change compared to monthly phone/data/tax charges.
>You could pay that in one month's usage.



But we are already paying for wireless phone, data, and tax charges
through our current phones. And I already use AT&T Laptop Connect
(3G) through my laptop. Will I have to pay double if I get a 3G phone?


Best,

Bob

Robert A. Fink, M. D., FACS, P. C.
Neurological Surgery
2500 Milvia Street Suite 222
Berkeley, CA 94704-2636 USA
510-849-2555

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Old 03-27-2008, 10:31 PM
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In article <j83ou3pskm80kdb655h2g4vcl3evgu6lop@4ax.com>,
"Robert A. Fink, M. D." <lynxer@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:10:00 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> Costco has the tilt, Comes with 12V cord leather case and a Bluetooth
> >> headset which was the moto rechargeable one that was selling for 79.99.
> >>
> >> The complete kit was 249.99 after rebate. Add all that to the iPhone, and
> >> the iPhone is over twice the price.

> >
> >Both are chump change compared to monthly phone/data/tax charges.
> >You could pay that in one month's usage.

>
>
> But we are already paying for wireless phone, data, and tax charges
> through our current phones. And I already use AT&T Laptop Connect
> (3G) through my laptop. Will I have to pay double if I get a 3G phone?
>

Seems like it would be the same. I was only using the example that $79
could easily be one month's service for someone, and for others, who are
heavy users, much more. Just the point that the initial cost of buying a
unit, any unit, pales in comparison to what you'll be paying to the
phone company over time. Better to have something fun that you like,
rather than just looking at the few dollars you might "save" going in.

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In article <303ou3h72qri1slg99tr5kbuciqj6nljvj@4ax.com>,
"Robert A. Fink, M. D." <lynxer@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:00:50 -0500, t@toddh.net (Todd H.) wrote:
>
> >I've yet to pay for the software to convert over my Palm
> >Desktop datebook into Outlook so it can sync to it, but I'm getting
> >ready to as I start to use the phone more.

>
>
> Tell me more. If I buy an iPhone (or one of the other non-Palm
> devices), what do I need to do to transfer the data stored on my Palm
> Tungsten C to a new device?
>

Google it, there are a couple ways.

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"Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <QGQGj.427$Nc5.388@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
> "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> "Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:labolide-2F0934.10100027032008@news.giganews.com...
>> > In article <clQGj.5$Gq7.4@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
>> > "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:47eba508$0$36397$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>> >> > Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> 4. The Apple iPhone appears to be a nice piece of equipment, but it
>> >> >> has several shortcomings, including having to work through iTunes,
>> >> >> battery replacement problems, a "mediocre" phone (by report), not
>> >> >> compatible with 3G service (I use ATT's Laptop Connect service);
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> it remains relatively pricey.
>> >> >
>> >> > The iPhone is actually not all that pricey, but it's limited in
>> >> > functionality. Definitely wait for the new 3G model if going with
>> >> > the
>> >> > iPhone.
>> >> >
>> >> > The best choice is the HTC Tilt 8925 / TyTN II (Kaiser). This is far
>> >> > more
>> >> > fully featured than the iPhone, with 3G, voice-dialing, GPS, and a
>> >> > better
>> >> > OS. It's about the same price as the iPhone because you get a
>> >> > discount
>> >> > for
>> >> > a contract renewal.
>> >>
>> >> Costco has the tilt, Comes with 12V cord leather case and a Bluetooth
>> >> headset which was the moto rechargeable one that was selling for
>> >> 79.99.
>> >>
>> >> The complete kit was 249.99 after rebate. Add all that to the iPhone,
>> >> and
>> >> the iPhone is over twice the price.
>> >
>> > Both are chump change compared to monthly phone/data/tax charges.
>> > You could pay that in one month's usage.
>> >
>> > --
>> > To reply by email, remove the word "space"

>>
>>
>> The Tilt uses 3G which is 30.00 a month unlimited use. Add 5.00 a moth
>> for
>> 200 text's if needed. He was talking about the cost of the Iphone as to
>> the
>> tilt being almost the same price. The Tilt is less then half the price of
>> the Iphone and does much more the the iPhone both now and later on down
>> the
>> road. Even If apple were to add 3G and Microsoft apps. You can replace
>> the
>> battery and add more Flash mem when ever you want.

>
> Yes, but the bigger picture bottom line is overall cost and the
> functions you need.
>
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Same cost for the 3G service. Iphone or Tilt. Same price for both.
What does the Iphone offer that the Tilt does not ? Tilt Is cheaper the the
Iphone.


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Old 03-27-2008, 11:14 PM
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At 27 Mar 2008 16:42:55 -0400 Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:

> But if the thing constantly falls down, it's hard to use those
> features.



True- but the misconception flown by the anti-MS crowd is that these
devices lock up hourly or so- that just isn't the case. Compared to a
Nokia 6030, or even an iPhone or Blackberry WinMo devices can be
"unstable," but it's not the handicap that's it often portrayed to be- (and
I'm again referring to the more robust touchscreen devices- my wife's T-
Mobile Dash- a non-touchscreen unit running very few 3rd party apps is as
rock-solid as any phone I've ever used- it runs for weeks without a hitch.)


> > My WinMo device handles memory rather poorly- the amount of available

RAM
> > decreases throught the day requiring the occasional nightly reboot to
> > reclaim it- that's a level of "instability" I'm more than willing to

put up
> > with in return for carrying a "laptop" in my pocket.

>
> Close your apps, don't just switch out of them.



I do that- I'm referring to "memory leaks"- memory loss caused by some 3rd
party apps that somehow refuse to relinquish memory back to the OS when
closed. QMail, the e-mail/NNTP client I'm typing this on now, for example,
robs a meg or two each time I close it. Open it/close it a half-dozen
times and I'm forced to reboot to get my "mising" 8-10 meg back. I'd get
rid of it, but it's a darn useful little app I haven't found a good
alternative for.




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At 27 Mar 2008 14:13:43 -0700 Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:

> But we are already paying for wireless phone, data, and tax charges
> through our current phones. And I already use AT&T Laptop Connect
> (3G) through my laptop. Will I have to pay double if I get a 3G phone?



AT&T charges $30/month for "unlimited" smartphone/PDA phone data,
regardless of the phone's data speed.

It's $60/month if you want to tether a laptop to it, so you might be able
to save a few bucks by dropping your laptop connect line and just tethering
the laptop to the Tilt ($60/month for tethered data would be cheaper than
$30 for on-phone data plus $60 for the laptop card.)


As far as your other question on the thread; transferring the Palm
contacts/calendar to the new phone, does your Tungsten have bluetooth? You
could simply transfer them to the new phone via BT, then sync from the Tilt
to Outlook, and avoid the need for any type of Palm Desktop-to-Outlook
utility.



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Todd H. wrote:

> The iPhone which I've also used is a far more satisfying interactive
> experience verus the Tilt with the speed of the display and
> responsiveness, and such, but its apalling lack of HSDPA data support
> makes it pretty worthless for tethering. Once the iPhone has
> integrated GPS and 3G data support though, the Tilt will feel like an
> also ran.


Yes, when the iPhone gains a GPS, 3G, tethering, Exchange server
support, and voice dialing, it'll be hard to beat (provided they also
add the ability to edit and display Office documents).

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Kurt wrote:
> In article <clQGj.5$Gq7.4@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
> "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:47eba508$0$36397$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>>> Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
>>>
>>>> 4. The Apple iPhone appears to be a nice piece of equipment, but it
>>>> has several shortcomings, including having to work through iTunes,
>>>> battery replacement problems, a "mediocre" phone (by report), not
>>>> compatible with 3G service (I use ATT's Laptop Connect service); and
>>>> it remains relatively pricey.
>>> The iPhone is actually not all that pricey, but it's limited in
>>> functionality. Definitely wait for the new 3G model if going with the
>>> iPhone.
>>>
>>> The best choice is the HTC Tilt 8925 / TyTN II (Kaiser). This is far more
>>> fully featured than the iPhone, with 3G, voice-dialing, GPS, and a better
>>> OS. It's about the same price as the iPhone because you get a discount for
>>> a contract renewal.

>> Costco has the tilt, Comes with 12V cord leather case and a Bluetooth
>> headset which was the moto rechargeable one that was selling for 79.99.
>>
>> The complete kit was 249.99 after rebate. Add all that to the iPhone, and
>> the iPhone is over twice the price.

>
> Both are chump change compared to monthly phone/data/tax charges.
> You could pay that in one month's usage.


I also saw the unlocked Tilt at Costco, and it was about $700.

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Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:

> That statement makes me chuckle. What good is a bazilion features and
> programs, if the thing constantly falls over due to stability issues?
> Stability is Function Number 1.


Because it isn't "constantly," it's occasionally. A Mac is more stable
than a Windows PC too, but the reason the Mac market share is so low is
because buyers value functionality over stability. Of course with the
ability to dual-boot Windows and OS X, you can now have a Mac with more
functionality than a Windows box.

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Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:10:00 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> Costco has the tilt, Comes with 12V cord leather case and a Bluetooth
>>> headset which was the moto rechargeable one that was selling for 79.99.
>>>
>>> The complete kit was 249.99 after rebate. Add all that to the iPhone, and
>>> the iPhone is over twice the price.

>> Both are chump change compared to monthly phone/data/tax charges.
>> You could pay that in one month's usage.

>
>
> But we are already paying for wireless phone, data, and tax charges
> through our current phones. And I already use AT&T Laptop Connect
> (3G) through my laptop. Will I have to pay double if I get a 3G phone?


That's an interesting question that probably only AT&T can answer. Be
sure to phrase the question to them perfectly clearly so you can get an
accurate answer, i.e., "sometimes I want to use laptop 3G, and sometimes
I want to use 3G on the phone, but I don't want to pay twice." I suspect
that the answer will be that you have to pay double, because both
devices could be used simultaneously. If you were doing tethering of the
laptop through the 3G phone, rather than using the laptop connect card,
then you would only pay once.

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Old 03-28-2008, 12:45 AM
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Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in
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> That statement makes me chuckle. What good is a bazilion features and
> programs, if the thing constantly falls over due to stability issues?
> Stability is Function Number 1.
>
>


No use at all. I don't understand how Micro$oft stays in business.

Just think where we'd be, today, if noone bought the IBM PC and all bought
Apple ][ instead!

We'd be paying $5000 for a 16 bit Motorola computer with little storage and
$500 every time you wanted to buy a game.


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Per SMS:
>Windows Mobile allows you to run thousands of applications, includes
>Exchange support (yes I know it's being added to the iPhone soon), and
>lets you create and edit Office documents.
>
>It's true that the iPhone OS is more stable and its limited
>functionality makes it easier to learn and use.


Is there any hope at all of combining the functionality of my
Palm TX (doesn't have tb another Palm-based device), my 60-gig
iPod, and my cell phone in one device?

Or have hard-drive-based devices become passe' marketing-wise?

I see a lot of devices with 2 gigs or so of memory, but nothing
with a hard drive.

Between music and data transport/storage, I'm currently using
about 48 of the 60 gigs available on my iPod.

Size is no object as long as it will fit in the pocket of cargo
pants.
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In article <dQUGj.10867$qS5.4134@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
"Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> "Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
> news:labolide-A3F182.11104827032008@news.giganews.com...
> > In article <QGQGj.427$Nc5.388@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
> > "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:labolide-2F0934.10100027032008@news.giganews.com...
> >> > In article <clQGj.5$Gq7.4@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
> >> > "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:47eba508$0$36397$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> >> >> > Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> 4. The Apple iPhone appears to be a nice piece of equipment, but it
> >> >> >> has several shortcomings, including having to work through iTunes,
> >> >> >> battery replacement problems, a "mediocre" phone (by report), not
> >> >> >> compatible with 3G service (I use ATT's Laptop Connect service);
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> it remains relatively pricey.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The iPhone is actually not all that pricey, but it's limited in
> >> >> > functionality. Definitely wait for the new 3G model if going with
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > iPhone.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The best choice is the HTC Tilt 8925 / TyTN II (Kaiser). This is far
> >> >> > more
> >> >> > fully featured than the iPhone, with 3G, voice-dialing, GPS, and a
> >> >> > better
> >> >> > OS. It's about the same price as the iPhone because you get a
> >> >> > discount
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > a contract renewal.
> >> >>
> >> >> Costco has the tilt, Comes with 12V cord leather case and a Bluetooth
> >> >> headset which was the moto rechargeable one that was selling for
> >> >> 79.99.
> >> >>
> >> >> The complete kit was 249.99 after rebate. Add all that to the iPhone,
> >> >> and
> >> >> the iPhone is over twice the price.
> >> >
> >> > Both are chump change compared to monthly phone/data/tax charges.
> >> > You could pay that in one month's usage.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > To reply by email, remove the word "space"
> >>
> >>
> >> The Tilt uses 3G which is 30.00 a month unlimited use. Add 5.00 a moth
> >> for
> >> 200 text's if needed. He was talking about the cost of the Iphone as to
> >> the
> >> tilt being almost the same price. The Tilt is less then half the price of
> >> the Iphone and does much more the the iPhone both now and later on down
> >> the
> >> road. Even If apple were to add 3G and Microsoft apps. You can replace
> >> the
> >> battery and add more Flash mem when ever you want.

> >
> > Yes, but the bigger picture bottom line is overall cost and the
> > functions you need.
> >
> > --
> > To reply by email, remove the word "space"

>
>
> Same cost for the 3G service. Iphone or Tilt. Same price for both.
> What does the Iphone offer that the Tilt does not ? Tilt Is cheaper the the
> Iphone.


The initial cost of buying a unit, any unit, pales in comparison to what
you'll be paying to the phone company over time. Better to have
something fun that you like, rather than just looking at the few dollars
you might "save" going in.

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"Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <dQUGj.10867$qS5.4134@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> "Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:labolide-A3F182.11104827032008@news.giganews.com...
>> > In article <QGQGj.427$Nc5.388@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
>> > "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:labolide-2F0934.10100027032008@news.giganews.com...
>> >> > In article <clQGj.5$Gq7.4@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
>> >> > "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:47eba508$0$36397$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>> >> >> > Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> 4. The Apple iPhone appears to be a nice piece of equipment, but
>> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> has several shortcomings, including having to work through
>> >> >> >> iTunes,
>> >> >> >> battery replacement problems, a "mediocre" phone (by report),
>> >> >> >> not
>> >> >> >> compatible with 3G service (I use ATT's Laptop Connect service);
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> it remains relatively pricey.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The iPhone is actually not all that pricey, but it's limited in
>> >> >> > functionality. Definitely wait for the new 3G model if going with
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > iPhone.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The best choice is the HTC Tilt 8925 / TyTN II (Kaiser). This is
>> >> >> > far
>> >> >> > more
>> >> >> > fully featured than the iPhone, with 3G, voice-dialing, GPS, and
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > better
>> >> >> > OS. It's about the same price as the iPhone because you get a
>> >> >> > discount
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > a contract renewal.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Costco has the tilt, Comes with 12V cord leather case and a
>> >> >> Bluetooth
>> >> >> headset which was the moto rechargeable one that was selling for
>> >> >> 79.99.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The complete kit was 249.99 after rebate. Add all that to the
>> >> >> iPhone,
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> the iPhone is over twice the price.
>> >> >
>> >> > Both are chump change compared to monthly phone/data/tax charges.
>> >> > You could pay that in one month's usage.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > To reply by email, remove the word "space"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The Tilt uses 3G which is 30.00 a month unlimited use. Add 5.00 a moth
>> >> for
>> >> 200 text's if needed. He was talking about the cost of the Iphone as
>> >> to
>> >> the
>> >> tilt being almost the same price. The Tilt is less then half the price
>> >> of
>> >> the Iphone and does much more the the iPhone both now and later on
>> >> down
>> >> the
>> >> road. Even If apple were to add 3G and Microsoft apps. You can replace
>> >> the
>> >> battery and add more Flash mem when ever you want.
>> >
>> > Yes, but the bigger picture bottom line is overall cost and the
>> > functions you need.
>> >
>> > --
>> > To reply by email, remove the word "space"

>>
>>
>> Same cost for the 3G service. Iphone or Tilt. Same price for both.
>> What does the Iphone offer that the Tilt does not ? Tilt Is cheaper the
>> the
>> Iphone.

>
> The initial cost of buying a unit, any unit, pales in comparison to what
> you'll be paying to the phone company over time. Better to have
> something fun that you like, rather than just looking at the few dollars
> you might "save" going in.
>
> --
> To reply by email, remove the word "space"



Iphone 3G 30.00 a month if AT&T gives the same price as all other 3G phones.
Tilt "
"

Same price per month. A few dollars you might "save" ?
Same price per month for the data. Half the price for the tilt is hardly a
few bucks.


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