Most of the applications there are simply glorified versions of webapps.
Then there are some jaw-droppers:
. $15 for an app to get public transportation schedules that you can get
over the web for free (and you have to buy a separate app for each
public transportation system that you want to monitor)
. the company that has two Twitter clients (a free one that dumps
advertising and a $10 one that doesn't)
. multiple ebooks, each of which costs money, as opposed to a free ebook
reader for the whole Gutenberg library
. are people nuts enough to pay $30 to read the Bible on an iToy??
. the Sketches app, which is free to the jailbreak community, is $8 in
the App store??
I guess that it's a care of a [...] and his [...] soon are [...].
If you want applications for your iToy, jailbreak it and use Installer to
get a much larger and better set of applications, most of which are free
or shareware.
Put another way, don't be in a hurry to upgrade to 2.0 if you already have
an iToy; wait until Zibri & company finish the 2.0 jailbreak.
-- Mark --
http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
Mark Crispin <mrc@Panda.COM> wrote in
news:alpine.OSX.1.10.0807101923202.1537@pangtzu.pa nda.com:
> . $15 for an app to get public transportation schedules that you can
> get
> over the web for free (and you have to buy a separate app for each
> public transportation system that you want to monitor)
>
Do people who can afford a FruitFone on ATT for $100/mo ride the bus....or
do they take the Beemer into town?
I've never rode the bus...maybe that's why I don't have a FruitFone.
I always figured bus riders would carry TracFones from Walmart.
> . are people nuts enough to pay $30 to read the Bible on an iToy??
Doubtful- most of the fanboys here seem to already have a religion, and the
Bible isn't it's Good Book... ;-)
> . the Sketches app, which is free to the jailbreak community, is $8 in
> the App store??
To be fair, why shouldn't the author get reimbursed for his sweat if he's
chosen to charge for his software? Doesn't he deserve 70% of $8 for his
efforts? ;-)
> I guess that it's a care of a [...] and his [...] soon are [...].
I dunno- it's also a case of convenience. Many people don't want to mess
with jailbreaking and the (admittedly small) risks involved. If they can
get the apps important to them for a few lousy bucks with the ease of
iTunes shopping, and not altering their iPhone, so be it.
> If you want applications for your iToy, jailbreak it and use Installer
> to get a much larger and better set of applications, most of which
> are free or shareware.
>
> Put another way, don't be in a hurry to upgrade to 2.0 if you already
have an iToy; wait until Zibri & company finish the 2.0 jailbreak.
Fair enough, but for iPhone 3G owners, the app store is the only game in
town...
Larry <noone@home.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:Xns9AD7EDDCF1B03noonehomecom@208.49.80.253:
> Mark Crispin <mrc@Panda.COM> wrote in
> news:alpine.OSX.1.10.0807101923202.1537@pangtzu.pa nda.com:
>
>> . $15 for an app to get public transportation schedules that you
>> can get
>> over the web for free (and you have to buy a separate app for
>> each public transportation system that you want to monitor)
>>
>
> Do people who can afford a FruitFone on ATT for $100/mo ride the
> bus....or do they take the Beemer into town?
They take the bus. How else do you think they can afford the rate plan and
applications necessary to make it even somewhat functional? I say this
because over a year after the inital release and I have yet to meet anybody
serious about mobile telephony or data with one of them.
I have, however, seen a number of them in the possession of Walmart
employees, most under the age of 20. One of them even told me that it was
the best iPod he'd ever owned.
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Todd Allcock posted:
>> . the Sketches app, which is free to the jailbreak community, is $8 in
>> the App store??
> To be fair, why shouldn't the author get reimbursed for his sweat if he's
> chosen to charge for his software? Doesn't he deserve 70% of $8 for his
> efforts? ;-)
I have no problem with the author of an application selling his
application for whatever price he sees fit. Some jailbreak community apps
cost money; typically you have to purchase a product key to unlock them
from demo mode.
I do think that Sketches is strange that it is free to the jailbreak
community, but $8 in the apps store. IMHO, it's a nice toy, but I
wouldn't pay $8 for it. There are other apps that I have paid for.
>> I guess that it's a case of a [...] and his [...] soon are [...].
> I dunno- it's also a case of convenience. Many people don't want to mess
> with jailbreaking and the (admittedly small) risks involved. If they can
> get the apps important to them for a few lousy bucks with the ease of
> iTunes shopping, and not altering their iPhone, so be it.
However, not only are you spending more money, but there are a lot of apps
that you will never get that way. The Apple apps store will never carry
anything like MxTube, Terminal, or Finder.
> Fair enough, but for iPhone 3G owners, the app store is the only game in
> town...
Or you can get a much less expensive 3G phone that provides a lot more
phone services (and much better battery life), and use the money you save
to buy a much more capable Internet tablet... :-)
-- Mark --
http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
> . are people nuts enough to pay $30 to read the Bible on an iToy??
> . the Sketches app, which is free to the jailbreak community, is $8 in
> the App store??
It seems now that Gen X has been stealing music for so long that they
now think they are entitled to everything for free. I'm afraid as baby
boomer parents we have raised a generation of lazy, apathetic theives.
They would never walk into a CD store, load up their pockets with CD's
and leave....but don't think twice about doing the same thing with their
computer.
Get out of your Mom's house, get a job and then enjoy the fruits of your
labor. Until then stop your whining.
The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote in
news:Xns9AD7E02349EF6bob@216.196.97.136:
> I have, however, seen a number of them in the possession of Walmart
> employees, most under the age of 20. One of them even told me that it
> was the best iPod he'd ever owned.
>
>
hee hee....thanks. Great fun talking to the faithful on the waiting line
at 0730 this morning. I had printed out the high resolution picture of the
main circuit board and 3 of the guys on the line were techies who love
gadgets. They hadn't seen ifixit.com's pictures and a lot of the rest of
the line was standing very close by as we discussed the chipsets installed,
most identified by ifixit.com's website last night.
We're STILL trying to find its GPS receiver, chipset and antenna that must
be imbedded into the plastic back because it's not on the PC board.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, anon posted:
> Mark Crispin <mrc@Panda.COM> wrote:
>> . are people nuts enough to pay $30 to read the Bible on an iToy??
>> . the Sketches app, which is free to the jailbreak community, is $8 in
>> the App store??
> It seems now that Gen X has been stealing music for so long that they
> now think they are entitled to everything for free. I'm afraid as baby
> boomer parents we have raised a generation of lazy, apathetic theives.
Gen X?!?
I was developing software and designing Internet protocols back when your
mommie was still wetting her diapers.
In case you haven't figured it out yet, a great deal of literature,
including the King James version of the Bible, either are long out of
copyright or were never copyrighted to begin with. They are in the public
domain, and are available in electronic form for free from Project
Gutenberg and other sources.
Anyone who pays for public domain ebooks is a sucker, especially to read
it on a tiny iToy screen. If you're going to read ebooks, get a Kindle.
As for Sketches, it is certainly the author's right to ask whatever price
he wants. However, his current market plan seems to be to give it away
for free to the jailbreak community via Installer, but charge $8 to people
who use the App store.
In other words, it is a stupidity tax on the fanboys who use the App
store.
-- Mark --
http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
> > . are people nuts enough to pay $30 to read the Bible on an iToy??
> > . the Sketches app, which is free to the jailbreak community, is $8 in
> > the App store??
>
> It seems now that Gen X has been stealing music for so long that they
> now think they are entitled to everything for free.
As opposed to you, Oxy, who just thinks internet service and telephony
should be, right?
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Todd Allcock posted:
> As opposed to you, Oxy, who just thinks internet service and telephony
> should be, right?
Oxford thinks that it's OK to sign other people up on various spam mailing
lists, such as he did to my old UW account on April 11. Everybody keeps
logs these days, including his ISP and even the spammers.
He ought to be more careful. He may wind up pulling that stunt on someone
who will do more than just laugh at his immature behavior.
-- Mark --
http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
> At 11 Jul 2008 07:52:49 -0400 anon wrote:
>
> > > . are people nuts enough to pay $30 to read the Bible on an iToy??
> > > . the Sketches app, which is free to the jailbreak community, is $8 in
> > > the App store??
> >
> > It seems now that Gen X has been stealing music for so long that they
> > now think they are entitled to everything for free.
>
> As opposed to you, Oxy, who just thinks internet service and telephony
> should be, right?
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Todd Allcock posted:
> > As opposed to you, Oxy, who just thinks internet service and telephony
> > should be, right?
>
> Oxford thinks that it's OK to sign other people up on various spam mailing
> lists, such as he did to my old UW account on April 11. Everybody keeps
> logs these days, including his ISP and even the spammers.
i did? if so, that's pretty funny... and no, i use completely free
wireless and my usenet account is an accounting fluke... i'm loving it
> He ought to be more careful. He may wind up pulling that stunt on someone
> who will do more than just laugh at his immature behavior.
nah, i can do whatever i want as long as it's legal.
"Oxford" <apony@pasture.com> wrote in message
news:apony-E63992.12390111072008@news.qwest.net...
>> As opposed to you, Oxy, who just thinks internet service and telephony
>> should be, right?
>
> that wasn't my comment.
My apologies- keeping your sock puupets straight takes more work than I'm
willing to put into it I guess. I momentarily confused "anon" with "none."
I'll try and be more careful. I should've realized it wasn't you- the
occasional use of correct capitalization should've given it away...
> >> As opposed to you, Oxy, who just thinks internet service and telephony
> >> should be, right?
> >
> > that wasn't my comment.
>
> My apologies- keeping your sock puupets straight takes more work than I'm
> willing to put into it I guess. I momentarily confused "anon" with "none."
>
> I'll try and be more careful. I should've realized it wasn't you- the
> occasional use of correct capitalization should've given it away...
i don't do sock puppets, only pen names like Ben Franklin.
"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
news:g58c92$f7g$1@aioe.org:
>
> "Oxford" <apony@pasture.com> wrote in message
> news:apony-E63992.12390111072008@news.qwest.net...
>>> As opposed to you, Oxy, who just thinks internet service and
>>> telephony should be, right?
>>
>> that wasn't my comment.
>
> My apologies- keeping your sock puupets straight takes more work than
> I'm willing to put into it I guess. I momentarily confused "anon"
> with "none."
>
> I'll try and be more careful. I should've realized it wasn't you- the
> occasional use of correct capitalization should've given it away...
>
>
>
>
A new spate of real apps was posted to maemo.org today in honor of the
FruitFone toystore rollout.
For the SoulSeek P2P lovers, Linux's Nicotine has a new tablet version.
Of more interest to me...and I'm sure every BUSINESS user...is the
introduction of a beta-quality version of "Log Me In" for the
N800/N810/N810Wimax tablets: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/O...ogmein-client/
This is the client-side browser plugin using the Mozilla browser engine
of OS2008 to connect and control "Log Me In", a 3rd party commercial
PC/Mac remote controller/file transfer/audio streamer/remote desktop
app: https://secure.logmein.com/labs.asp?lang=en
This picks up where Remote Desktop leaves off, allowing me to logon to
my mainframes and RAID beasts, move files in and out of the tablet or
laptop at will, even play any audio files the PC's massive codec pack
installations support....on the tablet's speakers, even if the tablet
doesn't support it! Movie video would be asking too much of sellphone
bandwidth....or even wifi.
Watch the demo on the logmein website! I never saw it before finding
the maemo port on maemo.org's new downloads, but already have the trial
version (time limited, full features) running on my laptop and
mainframes. I even played MP3 files ON THE LAPTOP AT HOME ON WIFI....to
the tablet's speakers on Alltel EVDO 40 miles away roaming on Alltel in
Walterboro, SC, at lunch....way cool...and all controlled from the
tablet.
It's "Sync" function will sync a folder on the remote unit, even tablet,
with the same folder on the base server at the touch of a button....very
useful to inventory control, off-site sales forces, remote
offices...whether on a tablet or not.
I can see a lot of uses in my own business for this system.....(c;
I have a large repository of every Kawai electronic service manual ever
produced, which, as a Kawai servicer the company sent me on a DVD. It's
on the RAID box. So, now from a church with a Kawai umtisquat 5000, I
can simply copy the file from the RAID to my tablet in the church 50
miles away over EVDO and won't have to carry the manual all dog eared
and dirty or have to store lots of data on the remote. Very cool
indeed! Even cooler is the files are PDF files I can boot on the tablet
in Xournal, make notes on them to this specific job with the stylus and
highlighter, like parts prices and marked up, and send the resultant
marked file back home.....right from the organ in the boondocks!....(c;
"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
news:g58c92$f7g$1@aioe.org:
>
> "Oxford" <apony@pasture.com> wrote in message
> news:apony-E63992.12390111072008@news.qwest.net...
>>> As opposed to you, Oxy, who just thinks internet service and
>>> telephony should be, right?
>>
>> that wasn't my comment.
>
> My apologies- keeping your sock puupets straight takes more work than
> I'm willing to put into it I guess. I momentarily confused "anon"
> with "none."
>
> I'll try and be more careful. I should've realized it wasn't you- the
> occasional use of correct capitalization should've given it away...
>
>
>
>
Here's the whole list of apps from the:
NOKIA INTERNET TABLET APP STORE
Leave your wallet and credit cards in your pocket. Open Source is
FREEWARE!
> Of more interest to me...and I'm sure every BUSINESS user...is the
> introduction of a beta-quality version of "Log Me In" for the
> N800/N810/N810Wimax tablets:
> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/O...ogmein-client/
> This is the client-side browser plugin using the Mozilla browser engine
> of OS2008 to connect and control "Log Me In", a 3rd party commercial
> PC/Mac remote controller/file transfer/audio streamer/remote desktop
> app:
> https://secure.logmein.com/labs.asp?lang=en
Christ, Lar, you're (almost) as bad as Oxford! When _I_ pointed out
LogMeIn to you several months ago, (before it was ported to the N800) as an
alternative to Remote Desktop, you poo-pooed it as insecure and said how'd
you never run _your_ data through someone else's server, since you didn't
know who "they" were...
Now that it's "touched" the N800, it's the greatest thing since sliced
bread!
(Now that I'm done picking on you, I'll second the notion that LogMeIn, is,
in fact, the greatest thing since sliced bread!) ;-)
> Here's the whole list of apps from the:
>
> NOKIA INTERNET TABLET APP STORE
>
> Leave your wallet and credit cards in your pocket. Open Source is
> FREEWARE!
>
> http://maemo.org/downloads/updated/OS2008/250/
oh my god! is that all they have? it's like i was back in the 1990's all
over again with the Newton. you can't be serious that this is nokia's
last best hope against the iphone?
> It's html any browser will render. No special spyware needs be installed,
> no registration necessary unless you wish to post or join a team....
you don't need any special software to view all the apps for the iphone,
just any regular itunes software will suffice.
Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
news:g597ds$q3i$1@aioe.org:
> Now that I'm done picking on you, I'll second the notion that LogMeIn,
> is, in fact, the greatest thing since sliced bread!) ;-)
>
One of the fatal flaws of passing 62 years old is you tend to pass by
things you've never seen before, even though you've held them in your hands
and played with them.
No, not that!.....You never forget THAT!
Sorry I didn't remember or pay more serious attention to it before. I was
strung out on Orb at the time......or maybe that single malt scotch a
yachtsman gave me....(c;
I'm amazed how well it works across the Linux/Windoze platform bridge.
> > http://maemo.org/downloads/updated/OS2008/250/
>
> oh my god! is that all they have? it's like i was back in the 1990's all
> over again with the Newton. you can't be serious that this is nokia's
> last best hope against the iphone?
Actually the N8xx series Linux tablets are a niche product, aimed a small
market. Being that they aren't phones at all (other than the ability to
run IP telephony apps like Skype and Gizmo) they aren't positioned as
competitors to the iPhone- Nokia sells phones for that. If Nokia's web
tablet division disappeared from the face of the Earth tomorrow, Nokia
probably wouldn't notice until September when their quarterly reports
became past-due...
Having said that, the tablets are slick little mini-computers. I'd
probably buy one just for giggles except that I don't have the time to
delve into another platform, despite the fact that Larry's posts make it
sound like an absolute hoot to tinker with.
He's a far better advocate for the Nokia tablets than you are for the iPhone,
frankly, since he posts his real-world experiences with excitement, rather
than your tired rhetoric, platitudes, and ridiculous claims.
> you don't need any special software to view all the apps for the iphone,
> just any regular itunes software will suffice.
Except those of us without iPhones or iPods have no reason to install an
80MB media player and library app. The only praise I'll give iTunes is
that it's _slightly_ less annoying and akward than the abominable Zune
software I'm forced to use to manage my kids' Zunes. Oh well, at least the
Zune software is pretty...
> > > http://maemo.org/downloads/updated/OS2008/250/
> >
> > oh my god! is that all they have? it's like i was back in the 1990's all
> > over again with the Newton. you can't be serious that this is nokia's
> > last best hope against the iphone?
>
> Actually the N8xx series Linux tablets are a niche product, aimed a small
> market. Being that they aren't phones at all (other than the ability to
> run IP telephony apps like Skype and Gizmo) they aren't positioned as
> competitors to the iPhone- Nokia sells phones for that. If Nokia's web
> tablet division disappeared from the face of the Earth tomorrow, Nokia
> probably wouldn't notice until September when their quarterly reports
> became past-due...
>
> Having said that, the tablets are slick little mini-computers. I'd
> probably buy one just for giggles except that I don't have the time to
> delve into another platform, despite the fact that Larry's posts make it
> sound like an absolute hoot to tinker with.
good points, thanks todd.
> He's a far better advocate for the Nokia tablets than you are for the iPhone,
> frankly, since he posts his real-world experiences with excitement, rather
> than your tired rhetoric, platitudes, and ridiculous claims.
bad points, no thanks todd.
> > you don't need any special software to view all the apps for the iphone,
> > just any regular itunes software will suffice.
>
> Except those of us without iPhones or iPods have no reason to install an
> 80MB media player and library app. The only praise I'll give iTunes is
> that it's _slightly_ less annoying and akward than the abominable Zune
> software I'm forced to use to manage my kids' Zunes. Oh well, at least the
> Zune software is pretty...
QuickTime is far more than just a "media player"... it's an entire
multimedia architecture that makes the web & your apps come alive.
check out some of the specs, windows has nothing like it...
In article <alpine.OSX.1.10.0807110658090.1537@pangtzu.panda. com>,
Mark Crispin <mrc@Panda.COM> wrote:
> >> . are people nuts enough to pay $30 to read the Bible on an iToy??
....
> In case you haven't figured it out yet, a great deal of literature,
> including the King James version of the Bible, either are long out of
> copyright or were never copyrighted to begin with. They are in the public
> domain, and are available in electronic form for free from Project
> Gutenberg and other sources.
The $30 Bible app is for the NIV Bible, not the King James Bible. The
NIV is copyright 1973 for the Old Testament, and 1978 for the New
Testament.
Oxford <apony@pasture.com> wrote in news:apony-4811C4.00004312072008
@news.qwest.net:
> that's why Macs are so much more usable on the web, while using a PC
> running Windows or Linux is like watching 1970's TV in comparison.
>
> http://www.apple.com/imac/
>
....as a stockholder, too bad their balance sheet doesn't agree with you.
Unfortunately, Mac/iPhone are niche products for a small percentage of the
overall PC users who like being held by the hand and forced to do what
Apple tells them to.
....besides, like it or not, the software is written for WINDOZE because one
man, Steve Jobs, refused to let 3rd parties have at it like Micro$not did.
Sure wish I'd taken a mini computer friend's advise and bought Microsoft
stock in 1967 when they had 12 employees in Billy's garage......Nuts.
> On Jul 11, 10:19*pm, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> App store my ass.....Monkey Ball....geez.
>
> "Monkey Ball", I thought they were downloading an account of Larry's
> teenage years for some reason.
>
At 12 Jul 2008 00:00:43 -0600 Oxford wrote:
> > Except those of us without iPhones or iPods have no reason to install an
> > 80MB media player and library app. The only praise I'll give iTunes is
> > that it's _slightly_ less annoying and akward than the abominable Zune
> > software I'm forced to use to manage my kids' Zunes. Oh well, at least
the
> > Zune software is pretty...
>
> QuickTime is far more than just a "media player"...
Quicktime <> iTunes...
> it's an entire
> multimedia architecture that makes the web & your apps come alive.
That's marketing speak- translated into English, it's a media player with
browser integration. So is WMP, Real, and to a lesser extent, Flash,
Silverlight, Shockwave, etc.
> > it's an entire
> > multimedia architecture that makes the web & your apps come alive.
>
> That's marketing speak- translated into English, it's a media player with
> browser integration. So is WMP, Real, and to a lesser extent, Flash,
> Silverlight, Shockwave, etc.
no, you are just talking about the "player", not all the API's for Apps,
that can be utilized once QuickTime is installed. It's an entire layer
of software that makes the machine more colorful, play crisper videos,
better sound, music integration, etc... throughout the entire OS.
so the iToy Apps Store has opened... 
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