Probably one of the most balanced journalist covering Apple that there
has ever been... has now written a long, but quite interesting piece on
his first few weeks with the iPhone.
Oxford wrote:
> Probably one of the most balanced journalist covering Apple that there
> has ever been... has now written a long, but quite interesting piece on
> his first few weeks with the iPhone.
>
> A very good read... pass it on.
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19444948...wsweek/page/0/
>
> ps: i think Apple's nondisclosure agreement ended at 12:01am today, so
> we are seeing a flood of "real", solid reviews of the iPhone this
> morning.
>
> Good work Apple! and to all the journalists that have kept the secret.
It's a very well designed device. They're are a lot of them in use
already around where I live (about a mile from Apple).
The major flaw is really only that you can't use it as a phone in many
parts of the U.S. due to the limitations of the GSM network. For
example, I went on vacation last week, took along a GSM phone and a
CDMA/AMPS phone. The difference in coverage in non-urban areas is
startlingly large, with CDMA having far, far better coverage. I would
have loved to have a device like the iPhone for checking e-mail and such
on vacation, but without GSM and EDGE coverage it wouldn't have been
possible. I took along a tablet PC, but there was no WiFi except for one
hotel we stayed at for two days, and two places we stayed at didn't even
have phones, though they had CDMA coverage (no GSM). When I'm at home or
work I don't need to do e-mail or browse on a small screen, it's when
traveling that something like an iPhone would be ideal, even at 2G speed.
Curse Verizon for turning Apple down! Verizon was their first choice,
but Verizon wouldn't agree to the terms that Apple wanted.
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> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19444948...wsweek/page/0/
> >
> > ps: i think Apple's nondisclosure agreement ended at 12:01am today, so
> > we are seeing a flood of "real", solid reviews of the iPhone this
> > morning.
> >
> > Good work Apple! and to all the journalists that have kept the secret.
>
> It's a very well designed device. They're are a lot of them in use
> already around where I live (about a mile from Apple).
>
> The major flaw is really only that you can't use it as a phone in many
> parts of the U.S. due to the limitations of the GSM network. For
> example, I went on vacation last week, took along a GSM phone and a
> CDMA/AMPS phone. The difference in coverage in non-urban areas is
> startlingly large, with CDMA having far, far better coverage. I would
> have loved to have a device like the iPhone for checking e-mail and such
> on vacation, but without GSM and EDGE coverage it wouldn't have been
> possible.
yes, and that's why grafting a Skype client on it quickly is so
important. I'm sure Apple has an VOIP iChat up and running as we speak,
but you've gotta save something for version 2.0. Plus you need to milk
ATT a bit longer so people still using Cell Phones will graduate to the
iPhone.
> I took along a tablet PC, but there was no WiFi except for one
> hotel we stayed at for two days, and two places we stayed at didn't even
> have phones, though they had CDMA coverage (no GSM). When I'm at home or
> work I don't need to do e-mail or browse on a small screen, it's when
> traveling that something like an iPhone would be ideal, even at 2G speed.
>
> Curse Verizon for turning Apple down! Verizon was their first choice,
> but Verizon wouldn't agree to the terms that Apple wanted.
Yes, Verizon made a multi-billion dollar blunder that will be in
business text books for years to come, but they didn't know what was
about to happen. They knew Steve was going to shaft them anyway, just
like he will do with ATT once WiFi / WiMax is fully in place.
So in sum, yes, I agree the iPhone isn't the best in 10% of the places
people typically travel, but for day to day use it will be just fine.
> So in sum, yes, I agree the iPhone isn't the best in 10% of the places
> people typically travel, but for day to day use it will be just fine.
One thing I really don't like is the non-removable SIM card. When
traveling overseas it's great to stick in an inexpensive prepaid SIM
card and make calls at 10¢/minute rather than doing international
roaming at $1-2 per minute. No doubt AT&T demanded a non-removable SIM card.
> Oxford wrote:
>
> > So in sum, yes, I agree the iPhone isn't the best in 10% of the places
> > people typically travel, but for day to day use it will be just fine.
>
> One thing I really don't like is the non-removable SIM card. When
> traveling overseas it's great to stick in an inexpensive prepaid SIM
> card and make calls at 10¢/minute rather than doing international
> roaming at $1-2 per minute. No doubt AT&T demanded a non-removable SIM card.
well, the simm card is certainly removable, but you are right as of
today, there is no way to use it with a prepaid card.
"Oxford" <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote in message
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> you can see the simm card access door at this link better...
>
> (takes awhile to load)
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:30:57 -0700, Oxford wrote
(in article
<colalovesmacs-C824F6.10305727062007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net>):
> Probably one of the most balanced journalist covering Apple that there
> has ever been... has now written a long, but quite interesting piece on
> his first few weeks with the iPhone.
>
> A very good read... pass it on.
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19444948...wsweek/page/0/
>
> ps: i think Apple's nondisclosure agreement ended at 12:01am today, so
> we are seeing a flood of "real", solid reviews of the iPhone this
> morning.
>
> Good work Apple! and to all the journalists that have kept the secret.
>
> -
Nice article, but it still leaves questions. Does it do voice dial? Can I
download my contacts into other devices or upload to the device via Bluetooth
(this is a legit question. We all know that Blackberry's popular 7100 phone
would sync with a Bluetooth headset, but would not allow one to pair with a
computer and transfer data using the medium)? And I'm surprised and
disappointed that Apple didn't include a slot for a mini SD card so the owner
could upgrade his own memory (or carry more media files than the phone will
hold and access them merely by swapping-out cards).
Oxford wrote:
> Probably one of the most balanced journalist covering Apple that there
> has ever been... has now written a long, but quite interesting piece on
> his first few weeks with the iPhone.
So when does the Verizon version come out?
--
We can't possibly imprison 300 million Americans for not paying their
taxes, so let's grant all of them amnesty NOW!
> Oxford wrote:
> > Probably one of the most balanced journalist covering Apple that there
> > has ever been... has now written a long, but quite interesting piece on
> > his first few weeks with the iPhone.
>
> So when does the Verizon version come out?
2-5 years, unless Apple release another, smaller phone, then sooner.
Oxford wrote:
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oxford wrote:
>>
>>> So in sum, yes, I agree the iPhone isn't the best in 10% of the places
>>> people typically travel, but for day to day use it will be just fine.
>> One thing I really don't like is the non-removable SIM card. When
>> traveling overseas it's great to stick in an inexpensive prepaid SIM
>> card and make calls at 10¢/minute rather than doing international
>> roaming at $1-2 per minute. No doubt AT&T demanded a non-removable SIM card.
>
> well, the simm card is certainly removable, but you are right as of
> today, there is no way to use it with a prepaid card.
One of the reviewers said that it wasn't removable, and most of the
articles say the same thing.
John C. Randolph <jcr.nospam@nospam.mac.com> wrote:
> > I'm sure Apple has an VOIP iChat up and running as we speak, but
> > you've gotta save something for version 2.0.
>
> Apple doesn't drag their feet like that. If they pushed iChat for the
> phone back to the next release, it's because it wasn't ready to ship.
and I agree, i'm simply commenting that something like iTalk or iChat is
"coming" but a 2.0 iPhone will be here too in 12-18 months so while the
iPhone is quite amazing as it is being shipped, it's not the end all, be
all "iPhone".
> > well, the simm card is certainly removable, but you are right as of
> > today, there is no way to use it with a prepaid card.
>
> One of the reviewers said that it wasn't removable, and most of the
> articles say the same thing.
The ones at MacWorld 2007 were, and there is certainly an open slot at
the top where the SIMM card sits... how it comes out (see the black dot)
is unknown, but it's user removable.
>
> well, the simm card is certainly removable, but you are right as of
> today, there is no way to use it with a prepaid card.
>
> see the top of the phone:
>
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/gallery/
I give it a few days, if not a month, someone will find a way to unlock this
phone. I am an AT&T customer, and have an unlocked quadband gsm phone lying
around which I used as a Go Phone till I put the kids on the contract. If
going overseas, in my case, I'd take both my phone and the unlocked phone
for personal reasons so my mom could contact me if there's any problems, my
dads almost 90.
In article <4682dbce$0$27186$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Oxford wrote:
> > SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Oxford wrote:
> >>
> >>> So in sum, yes, I agree the iPhone isn't the best in 10% of the places
> >>> people typically travel, but for day to day use it will be just fine.
> >> One thing I really don't like is the non-removable SIM card. When
> >> traveling overseas it's great to stick in an inexpensive prepaid SIM
> >> card and make calls at 10¢/minute rather than doing international
> >> roaming at $1-2 per minute. No doubt AT&T demanded a non-removable SIM
> >> card.
> >
> > well, the simm card is certainly removable, but you are right as of
> > today, there is no way to use it with a prepaid card.
>
> One of the reviewers said that it wasn't removable, and most of the
> articles say the same thing.
"Not removable" almost certainly really means "not intended to be
removed", which isn't quite the same thing.
Horribly inconvenient to remove, that's probably true. (I suspect as
with iPods, the case is not designed to let you in easily.)
--
"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
- George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006
> > One of the reviewers said that it wasn't removable, and most of the
> > articles say the same thing.
>
> "Not removable" almost certainly really means "not intended to be
> removed", which isn't quite the same thing.
>
> Horribly inconvenient to remove, that's probably true. (I suspect as
> with iPods, the case is not designed to let you in easily.)
Oxford wrote:
> clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oxford wrote:
>> > Probably one of the most balanced journalist covering Apple that there
>> > has ever been... has now written a long, but quite interesting piece on
>> > his first few weeks with the iPhone.
>>
>> So when does the Verizon version come out?
>
> 2-5 years, unless Apple release another, smaller phone, then sooner.
>
> Just switch over and be done with it...
I've been tempted to leave Verizon, but never ever have I been tempted to
switch to Cingular/at&t/whatever they're calling themselves this week.
--
We can't possibly imprison 300 million Americans for not paying their
taxes, so let's grant all of them amnesty NOW!
In article
<colalovesmacs-D9B5C9.23354727062007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote:
> ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > One of the reviewers said that it wasn't removable, and most of the
> > > articles say the same thing.
> >
> > "Not removable" almost certainly really means "not intended to be
> > removed", which isn't quite the same thing.
> >
> > Horribly inconvenient to remove, that's probably true. (I suspect as
> > with iPods, the case is not designed to let you in easily.)
>
> nah, it just pops out.... scroll down
>
> http://snipr.com/1nmz7
Interesting.
--
"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
- George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006
> Nice article, but it still leaves questions. Does it do voice dial? Can I
> download my contacts into other devices or upload to the device via Bluetooth
> (this is a legit question. We all know that Blackberry's popular 7100 phone
> would sync with a Bluetooth headset, but would not allow one to pair with a
> computer and transfer data using the medium)? And I'm surprised and
> disappointed that Apple didn't include a slot for a mini SD card so the owner
> could upgrade his own memory (or carry more media files than the phone will
> hold and access them merely by swapping-out cards).
no voice dial in v1
yes, you can move contacts around just like normal
yes, for bluetooth, expect a flurry of announcements over the weekend.
it does have a SIM card if that is what you are talking about.
also USB 2 and Firewire 400-with a small adapter)
"none" <a@b.com> wrote in message
news:a-D8EB53.19285828062007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net...
> George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Nice article, but it still leaves questions. Does it do voice dial? Can I
>> download my contacts into other devices or upload to the device via
>> Bluetooth
>> (this is a legit question. We all know that Blackberry's popular 7100
>> phone
>> would sync with a Bluetooth headset, but would not allow one to pair with
>> a
>> computer and transfer data using the medium)? And I'm surprised and
>> disappointed that Apple didn't include a slot for a mini SD card so the
>> owner
>> could upgrade his own memory (or carry more media files than the phone
>> will
>> hold and access them merely by swapping-out cards).
>
> no voice dial in v1
> yes, you can move contacts around just like normal
> yes, for bluetooth, expect a flurry of announcements over the weekend.
> it does have a SIM card if that is what you are talking about.
hahaha, you say i don't understand technology and you're confusing a mini sd
card with a sim card! hahahahahahaaaa!
> also USB 2 and Firewire 400-with a small adapter)
In article <vkZgi.4754$vi5.4356@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net> ,
"ed" <news@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote:
> "none" <a@b.com> wrote in message
> news:a-D8EB53.19285828062007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net...
> > George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Nice article, but it still leaves questions. Does it do voice dial? Can I
> >> download my contacts into other devices or upload to the device via
> >> Bluetooth
> >> (this is a legit question. We all know that Blackberry's popular 7100
> >> phone
> >> would sync with a Bluetooth headset, but would not allow one to pair with
> >> a
> >> computer and transfer data using the medium)? And I'm surprised and
> >> disappointed that Apple didn't include a slot for a mini SD card so the
> >> owner
> >> could upgrade his own memory (or carry more media files than the phone
> >> will
> >> hold and access them merely by swapping-out cards).
> >
> > no voice dial in v1
> > yes, you can move contacts around just like normal
> > yes, for bluetooth, expect a flurry of announcements over the weekend.
> > it does have a SIM card if that is what you are talking about.
>
> hahaha, you say i don't understand technology and you're confusing a mini sd
> card with a sim card! hahahahahahaaaa!
You're claiming that the iPhone has a mini-SD card?
>
> > also USB 2 and Firewire 400-with a small adapter)
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-985934.18391028062007@news.telus.net...
> In article <vkZgi.4754$vi5.4356@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net> ,
> "ed" <news@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote:
>
>> "none" <a@b.com> wrote in message
>> news:a-D8EB53.19285828062007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net...
>> > George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Nice article, but it still leaves questions. Does it do voice dial?
>> >> Can I
>> >> download my contacts into other devices or upload to the device via
>> >> Bluetooth
>> >> (this is a legit question. We all know that Blackberry's popular 7100
>> >> phone
>> >> would sync with a Bluetooth headset, but would not allow one to pair
>> >> with
>> >> a
>> >> computer and transfer data using the medium)? And I'm surprised and
>> >> disappointed that Apple didn't include a slot for a mini SD card so
>> >> the
>> >> owner
>> >> could upgrade his own memory (or carry more media files than the phone
>> >> will
>> >> hold and access them merely by swapping-out cards).
>> >
>> > no voice dial in v1
>> > yes, you can move contacts around just like normal
>> > yes, for bluetooth, expect a flurry of announcements over the weekend.
>> > it does have a SIM card if that is what you are talking about.
>>
>> hahaha, you say i don't understand technology and you're confusing a mini
>> sd
>> card with a sim card! hahahahahahaaaa!
>
> You're claiming that the iPhone has a mini-SD card?
uh, no.
- george said he's disappointed that apple didn't include a slot for a mini
sd card.
- 'none' replied that it does have a sim card, if that's what george was
talking about. it's prety obvious that was in reference to the none
existent sim card that george mentioned (it's the only 'card' george
mentioned).
- i was pointing out that 'none' is apparently very confused.
> ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > One of the reviewers said that it wasn't removable, and most of the
> > > articles say the same thing.
> >
> > "Not removable" almost certainly really means "not intended to be
> > removed", which isn't quite the same thing.
> >
> > Horribly inconvenient to remove, that's probably true. (I suspect as
> > with iPods, the case is not designed to let you in easily.)
>
> nah, it just pops out.... scroll down
>
> http://snipr.com/1nmz7
So could I buy one in the UK, stick in my Orange O2 PAYG SIM card and it
would be good to go as a mobile phone and pricey male jewelry combo?
Peter Hayes wrote:
> Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> One of the reviewers said that it wasn't removable, and most of the
>>>> articles say the same thing.
>>> "Not removable" almost certainly really means "not intended to be
>>> removed", which isn't quite the same thing.
>>>
>>> Horribly inconvenient to remove, that's probably true. (I suspect as
>>> with iPods, the case is not designed to let you in easily.)
>> nah, it just pops out.... scroll down
>>
>> http://snipr.com/1nmz7
>
> So could I buy one in the UK, stick in my Orange O2 PAYG SIM card and it
> would be good to go as a mobile phone and pricey male jewelry combo?
> Peter Hayes wrote:
> > Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> >> ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> One of the reviewers said that it wasn't removable, and most of the
> >>>> articles say the same thing.
> >>> "Not removable" almost certainly really means "not intended to be
> >>> removed", which isn't quite the same thing.
> >>>
> >>> Horribly inconvenient to remove, that's probably true. (I suspect as
> >>> with iPods, the case is not designed to let you in easily.)
> >> nah, it just pops out.... scroll down
> >>
> >> http://snipr.com/1nmz7
> >
> > So could I buy one in the UK, stick in my Orange O2 PAYG SIM card and it
> > would be good to go as a mobile phone and pricey male jewelry combo?
>
> No. It's subsidy locked to AT&T wireless.
In article <1i0h8o2.18xjnotu3of0pN%notinuse2@btinternet.com >, notinuse2@btinternet.com (Peter Hayes) wrote:
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Peter Hayes wrote:
> > > Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>> One of the reviewers said that it wasn't removable, and most of the
> > >>>> articles say the same thing.
> > >>> "Not removable" almost certainly really means "not intended to be
> > >>> removed", which isn't quite the same thing.
> > >>>
> > >>> Horribly inconvenient to remove, that's probably true. (I suspect as
> > >>> with iPods, the case is not designed to let you in easily.)
> > >> nah, it just pops out.... scroll down
> > >>
> > >> http://snipr.com/1nmz7
> > >
> > > So could I buy one in the UK, stick in my Orange O2 PAYG SIM card and it
> > > would be good to go as a mobile phone and pricey male jewelry combo?
> >
> > No. It's subsidy locked to AT&T wireless.
>
> I thought there was a ($175?) buy-out available.
That terminates your contract early. AT&T, to the best of my knowledge,
has no obligation to unlock your phone at that time.
People always figure out how to unlock phones anyway, though.
--
"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
- George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006
In article <znu-0EC355.11175029062007@individual.net>,
ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> wrote:
> In article <1i0h8o2.18xjnotu3of0pN%notinuse2@btinternet.com >,
> notinuse2@btinternet.com (Peter Hayes) wrote:
>
> > SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Peter Hayes wrote:
> > > > Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>> One of the reviewers said that it wasn't removable, and most of the
> > > >>>> articles say the same thing.
> > > >>> "Not removable" almost certainly really means "not intended to be
> > > >>> removed", which isn't quite the same thing.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Horribly inconvenient to remove, that's probably true. (I suspect as
> > > >>> with iPods, the case is not designed to let you in easily.)
> > > >> nah, it just pops out.... scroll down
> > > >>
> > > >> http://snipr.com/1nmz7
> > > >
> > > > So could I buy one in the UK, stick in my Orange O2 PAYG SIM card and it
> > > > would be good to go as a mobile phone and pricey male jewelry combo?
> > >
> > > No. It's subsidy locked to AT&T wireless.
> >
> > I thought there was a ($175?) buy-out available.
>
> That terminates your contract early. AT&T, to the best of my knowledge,
> has no obligation to unlock your phone at that time.
>
> People always figure out how to unlock phones anyway, though.
Yeah, how many hours will it take? :-D
How many hours did it take before the AppleTv was hacked? Ok, maybe
not the same thing, but still. These things get cracked *fast*.
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