Tethering V551 To Laptop With Communications Manager

Hello All

I am trying to tether my V551 to my laptop with Communications Manager and
it is giving me an error message: Error with PPP connection 734 (The PPP
link control Protocol was terminated). Does anyone know what that error
message is. I am using Windows XP Service Pack 2.

On another note when I talked with Cingular today the rep told me all I
needed was an unlimited Media access of $19.99 but the rep I actually talked
to in a Cingular store a few days ago told me I needed a data package of
$59.99. Which rep is correct?

Thanks in advance
SH

On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 21:00:25 -0600, "shadow" <catfancy@bellsouth.net>
wrote in <bFS3h.10147$3L.4230@bignews2.bellsouth.net>:

>I am trying to tether my V551 to my laptop with Communications Manager and
>it is giving me an error message: Error with PPP connection 734 (The PPP
>link control Protocol was terminated). Does anyone know what that error
>message is. I am using Windows XP Service Pack 2.
>
>On another note when I talked with Cingular today the rep told me all I
>needed was an unlimited Media access of $19.99 but the rep I actually talked
>to in a Cingular store a few days ago told me I needed a data package of
>$59.99. Which rep is correct?

Both are covered in the FAQ below.

--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

I have been testing "tethering" a Fujitsu subnotebook to a Blackberry
8700c. The connection software works properly, but the EDGE
communication is slow and the cost is high. There is about an $80 add-on
monthly charge for the data communications.
(HSDPA coverage starts 15 miles south of our location).

Robbie

On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 07:25:58 -0500, Robert Robinson
<robbiex@bellsouth.net> wrote in
<HP%3h.8082$TX.5732@bignews1.bellsouth.net>:

>I have been testing "tethering" a Fujitsu subnotebook to a Blackberry
>8700c. The connection software works properly, but the EDGE
>communication is slow and the cost is high. There is about an $80 add-on
>monthly charge for the data communications.
>(HSDPA coverage starts 15 miles south of our location).

EGPRS(EDGE) is good for 160+ Kbps downlink given:
(a) reasonably strong signal, and
(b) suitable EGPRS device, Class 10 or 12. Lower number Class devices
are slower.

You're not supposed to do it, but some people "tether" with the
unlimited MEdia Net cell phone data package at $20/month.

--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

Thanks for all the information. I found out it was my bluetooth that was
interfering with my connection. I had to turn it off and then I connected
without any problems. Now where do I go to see what I am connecting at with
my V551? Well the Cingular Rep at the store told me I needed a data
package. The Cingular Rep I talked to on the phone said I needed only the
$20 unlimited Media Bundle. I do not want to do wrong and do not want to be
charged an outrageous price later on if it was the data package I needed.
When I talked to the Cingular Rep this morning when I was trouble shooting
why I was not connecting, I was again told that the unlimited Media Bundle
was all I needed. It is so confusing. So if anyone can point me in the
direction as to how to determine what I am connecting at I will let you all
know what I connect at using my V551. Is the V551 a class 10 phone?
Thanks.

SH



"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
news:0e81l2hda8fmvjc3aoofkj28cpeklpplie@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 07:25:58 -0500, Robert Robinson
> <robbiex@bellsouth.net> wrote in
> <HP%3h.8082$TX.5732@bignews1.bellsouth.net>:
>
>>I have been testing "tethering" a Fujitsu subnotebook to a Blackberry
>>8700c. The connection software works properly, but the EDGE
>>communication is slow and the cost is high. There is about an $80 add-on
>>monthly charge for the data communications.
>>(HSDPA coverage starts 15 miles south of our location).
>
> EGPRS(EDGE) is good for 160+ Kbps downlink given:
> (a) reasonably strong signal, and
> (b) suitable EGPRS device, Class 10 or 12. Lower number Class devices
> are slower.
>
> You're not supposed to do it, but some people "tether" with the
> unlimited MEdia Net cell phone data package at $20/month.
>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
> John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:44:18 -0600, "shadow" <catfancy@bellsouth.net>
wrote in <aCw4h.8869$TX.2201@bignews1.bellsouth.net>:

>Thanks for all the information. I found out it was my bluetooth that was
>interfering with my connection. I had to turn it off and then I connected
>without any problems.

That's odd. Something is wrong. I tether with Bluetooth.

>Now where do I go to see what I am connecting at with
>my V551?

http://netspeed.stanford.edu/

>Well the Cingular Rep at the store told me I needed a data
>package. The Cingular Rep I talked to on the phone said I needed only the
>$20 unlimited Media Bundle. I do not want to do wrong and do not want to be
>charged an outrageous price later on if it was the data package I needed.
>When I talked to the Cingular Rep this morning when I was trouble shooting
>why I was not connecting, I was again told that the unlimited Media Bundle
>was all I needed. It is so confusing. So if anyone can point me in the
>direction as to how to determine what I am connecting at I will let you all
>know what I connect at using my V551. Is the V551 a class 10 phone?

No, it's Class 4, which is considerably slower than Class 10. The best
you can do is 90-100 Kbps.

--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:44:18 -0600, "shadow" <catfancy@bellsouth.net>
> wrote in <aCw4h.8869$TX.2201@bignews1.bellsouth.net>:

> >Thanks for all the information. I found out it was my bluetooth that was
> >interfering with my connection. I had to turn it off and then I connected
> >without any problems.

> That's odd. Something is wrong. I tether with Bluetooth.

I think he was talking about a BT headset. The phone was probably
pairing with the headset instead of the laptop.

Or the headset paired with the laptop, and prevented the phone from
pairing.

I've managed to cause both of those problems for myself ;-)

> >Now where do I go to see what I am connecting at with
> >my V551?

> http://netspeed.stanford.edu/

Or is he confused about WAP verses ISP?

> >Well the Cingular Rep at the store told me I needed a data package. The
> >Cingular Rep I talked to on the phone said I needed only the $20
> >unlimited Media Bundle. I do not want to do wrong and do not want to be
> >charged an outrageous price later on if it was the data package I
> >needed.

Some folks signed up long ago, and have packages that did not distinguish
how one could use the MEdiaNet access. It was even called something
different a couple of years ago.

Cingular has several different "unlimited" data plans. These are priced
differently, depending on what device you use to connect. Phones, PDA,
Laptop are three different prices, on the presumption that they use
different amounts of data, or can tolerate different levels of pricing.
That means that "unlimited" must not mean "unlimited". It must mean,
unlimited, within the ranges of our expectations.

You _can_ tether a laptop using the MEdiaNet plan. You _may not_ tether a
laptop using the MEdiaNet plan, according to the constantly varying terms
of service on the Cingular site.

I asked for a phone with the ability to tether my laptop, at a Cingular
company store. I was sold a MediaNet bundle. I didn't get a printed copy
of the terms of service, just a reference to the terms posted on the web
site.

If I look at the MediaNet offerings today, the terms are pretty clear:
http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-s...plan-terms.jsp
"Furthermore, unlimited plans (except for DataConnect and Blackberry
Tethered) cannot be used for any applications that tether the device
(through use of, including without limitation, connection kits, other
phone/PDA-to-computer accessories, Bluetooth or any other wireless
technology) to laptops, PCs, or other equipment for any purpose."

Previously, Media Net purchase pages linked to
http://www.cingular.com/learn/en_US/...al-notices.jsp
"MEdia Net packages are not intended for tethering. Cingular reserves the
right to remove customers from MEdia Net packages for the use of a wireless
device as an interface to other devices or networks, as determined by
Cingular, including but not limited to device tethering."

I inferred that some usage would be okay, heavy usage could be grounds for
cancellation of the plan.

An interesting point about the new, more limiting, language is that it
refers to "unlimited" plans specifically. It does not mention the
bundles that are already limited. If I had a 5MB plan, could I tether
every day, as long as I didn't exceed 5MB per month?

> >When I talked to the Cingular Rep this morning when I was trouble shooting
> >why I was not connecting, I was again told that the unlimited Media Bundle
> >was all I needed. It is so confusing. So if anyone can point me in the
> >direction as to how to determine what I am connecting at I will let you all
> >know what I connect at using my V551.

Your "connection" determines which login is being used.
On WinXP-SP2, start-Network connections. If you double-click on whatever
the connection name is, it should expose the User Name.
If it starts with WAP@, you are using the MediaNet login.

> Is the V551 a class 10 phone?

Yes and no.
http://www.cingular.com/customer_service/phones_devices
Features & Specifications
shows the v551 as "GPRS class 10, EDGE class 4"
You are most interested in the EDGE class, which is only "4".
GPRS, in areas that don't have EDGE, tops out at about 30Kbps for me, with
a v551. If I get EDGE, I see up to about 100Kbps.

You don't select which you connect to, it varies by cell tower capability,
and I don't know how to tell which is which, other than the "E" that should
appear on the v551 screen in an EDGE area, and the speed should be above
40Kbps with EDGE.

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5

On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 17:53:19 +0000 (UTC), dold@XReXXTethe.usenet.us.com
wrote in <eivpuf$dn7$1@blue.rahul.net>:

>John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:44:18 -0600, "shadow" <catfancy@bellsouth.net>
>> wrote in <aCw4h.8869$TX.2201@bignews1.bellsouth.net>:
>
>> >Thanks for all the information. I found out it was my bluetooth that was
>> >interfering with my connection. I had to turn it off and then I connected
>> >without any problems.
>
>> That's odd. Something is wrong. I tether with Bluetooth.
>
>I think he was talking about a BT headset. The phone was probably
>pairing with the headset instead of the laptop.
>
>Or the headset paired with the laptop, and prevented the phone from
>pairing.
>
>I've managed to cause both of those problems for myself ;-)

Good point.

>> >Now where do I go to see what I am connecting at with
>> >my V551?
>
>> http://netspeed.stanford.edu/
>
>Or is he confused about WAP verses ISP?

Could be.

>> >Well the Cingular Rep at the store told me I needed a data package. The
>> >Cingular Rep I talked to on the phone said I needed only the $20
>> >unlimited Media Bundle. I do not want to do wrong and do not want to be
>> >charged an outrageous price later on if it was the data package I
>> >needed.
>
>Some folks signed up long ago, and have packages that did not distinguish
>how one could use the MEdiaNet access. It was even called something
>different a couple of years ago.

MEdia Works Unlimited, which first went up in price, and then became
something else.

>Cingular has several different "unlimited" data plans. These are priced
>differently, depending on what device you use to connect. Phones, PDA,
>Laptop are three different prices, on the presumption that they use
>different amounts of data, or can tolerate different levels of pricing.
>That means that "unlimited" must not mean "unlimited". It must mean,
>unlimited, within the ranges of our expectations.

Fair assessment.

>You _can_ tether a laptop using the MEdiaNet plan. You _may not_ tether a
>laptop using the MEdiaNet plan, according to the constantly varying terms
>of service on the Cingular site.

That's not entirely clear.

>I asked for a phone with the ability to tether my laptop, at a Cingular
>company store. I was sold a MediaNet bundle. I didn't get a printed copy
>of the terms of service, just a reference to the terms posted on the web
>site.

I took care to save the actual terms of my package.

>If I look at the MediaNet offerings today, the terms are pretty clear:
>http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-s...plan-terms.jsp
>"Furthermore, unlimited plans (except for DataConnect and Blackberry
>Tethered) cannot be used for any applications that tether the device
>(through use of, including without limitation, connection kits, other
>phone/PDA-to-computer accessories, Bluetooth or any other wireless
>technology) to laptops, PCs, or other equipment for any purpose."

That's "cannot", not "may not", a subtle but significant distinction.

>Previously, Media Net purchase pages linked to
>http://www.cingular.com/learn/en_US/...al-notices.jsp
>"MEdia Net packages are not intended for tethering. Cingular reserves the
>right to remove customers from MEdia Net packages for the use of a wireless
>device as an interface to other devices or networks, as determined by
>Cingular, including but not limited to device tethering."

Yep.

>I inferred that some usage would be okay, heavy usage could be grounds for
>cancellation of the plan.

Seems reasonable.

>An interesting point about the new, more limiting, language is that it
>refers to "unlimited" plans specifically. It does not mention the
>bundles that are already limited. If I had a 5MB plan, could I tether
>every day, as long as I didn't exceed 5MB per month?

Presumably. I'd say it's a safe bet.

--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

John Navas wrote:
> That's "cannot", not "may not", a subtle but significant distinction.

Although I certainly hope it isn't so, I have reason to belive that
this may actually have changed with the past few days. After reliably
being able to "occasionally" tether via my v551 and grandfathered
unlimited medianet plan, it stopped working (error 720) some time in
the past few days. After much frustration I finally talked with a
Cingular CSR (one of the "speacialists" who help with tethering
configuration questions) and was informaed that they just recently
enabled the capability to actually prevent unauthorized tethering.

Has anyone here tried tethering with one of the cheap plans in the past
few days?

On 9 Nov 2006 16:39:10 -0800, sharpe.jim@gmail.com wrote in
<1163119150.339048.269840@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>:

>John Navas wrote:
>> That's "cannot", not "may not", a subtle but significant distinction.
>
>Although I certainly hope it isn't so, I have reason to belive that
>this may actually have changed with the past few days. After reliably
>being able to "occasionally" tether via my v551 and grandfathered
>unlimited medianet plan, it stopped working (error 720) some time in
>the past few days. After much frustration I finally talked with a
>Cingular CSR (one of the "speacialists" who help with tethering
>configuration questions) and was informaed that they just recently
>enabled the capability to actually prevent unauthorized tethering.
>
>Has anyone here tried tethering with one of the cheap plans in the past
>few days?

Yep. Still works fine here in Northern California with the old MEdia
Net Unlimited ($20/month). Are you sure you don't have a local problem?
Error 720 is usually the result of a Windows configuration/protocol
problem. Does land line modem dialup still work on the computer?

Does MEdia Net still work on the phone, and can you still use Java
(J2ME) apps like Google Maps for Mobile, Gmail Mobile, and Opera Mini?

Be careful about taking statements at face value and/or leaping to
conclusions, and starting erroneous Internet Rumors.

--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 17:53:19 +0000 (UTC), dold@XReXXTethe.usenet.us.com
> wrote in <eivpuf$dn7$1@blue.rahul.net>:

> >You _can_ tether a laptop using the MEdiaNet plan. You _may not_ tether a
> >laptop using the MEdiaNet plan, according to the constantly varying terms
> >of service on the Cingular site.

> That's not entirely clear.

Their intent, or my statement? ;-(

> I took care to save the actual terms of my package.

I didn't think I needed to save a web page. I thought the printed material
that I received should cover it all. If the web page is the governance,
then I must be subject to changes to the web page.
(Stated with chagrin, not necessarily concurrence.)

> >Tethered) cannot be used for any applications that tether the device

> That's "cannot", not "may not", a subtle but significant distinction.

It is, of course, incorrect, technically. One certainly can use it, but it
would appear that they intend to say that you may not. Or is that legalese,
where cannot means may not, and may not means might not?

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:55:04 +0000 (UTC), dold@XReXXTethe.usenet.us.com
wrote in <ej2sfo$5vv$1@blue.rahul.net>:

>John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 17:53:19 +0000 (UTC), dold@XReXXTethe.usenet.us.com
>> wrote in <eivpuf$dn7$1@blue.rahul.net>:
>
>> >You _can_ tether a laptop using the MEdiaNet plan. You _may not_ tether a
>> >laptop using the MEdiaNet plan, according to the constantly varying terms
>> >of service on the Cingular site.
>
>> That's not entirely clear.
>
>Their intent, or my statement? ;-(

The Cingular language.

>> I took care to save the actual terms of my package.
>
>I didn't think I needed to save a web page. I thought the printed material
>that I received should cover it all.

Depends on what it says. If it constitutes the "entire agreement", then
the web page is irrelevant.

>If the web page is the governance,
>then I must be subject to changes to the web page.
>(Stated with chagrin, not necessarily concurrence.)

Not necessarily. Reasonable notice is needed. Claiming it's up to you
to keep checking the website would almost certainly not stand up in
court.

>> >Tethered) cannot be used for any applications that tether the device
>
>> That's "cannot", not "may not", a subtle but significant distinction.
>
>It is, of course, incorrect, technically. One certainly can use it, but it
>would appear that they intend to say that you may not. Or is that legalese,
>where cannot means may not, and may not means might not?

I think it's more a matter of Cingular not facilitating that use.

--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

sharpe.jim@gmail.com wrote:
> Has anyone here tried tethering with one of the cheap plans in the past
> few days?

Nov 9, 4-5pm. v551, MEdiaNet.

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5

Well I indeed connected and did test my connection and it was horrible. It
was 26 kbps lol. But it did work and I did connect with the Media Net
Package. But it is now a mute point because my pathetic dial up is faster
than my pathetic tether to the laptop with my V551 lol. Thanks to all who
gave advice.

Sh



"shadow" <catfancy@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:bFS3h.10147$3L.4230@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> Hello All
>
> I am trying to tether my V551 to my laptop with Communications Manager and
> it is giving me an error message: Error with PPP connection 734 (The PPP
> link control Protocol was terminated). Does anyone know what that error
> message is. I am using Windows XP Service Pack 2.
>
> On another note when I talked with Cingular today the rep told me all I
> needed was an unlimited Media access of $19.99 but the rep I actually
> talked to in a Cingular store a few days ago told me I needed a data
> package of $59.99. Which rep is correct?
>
> Thanks in advance
> SH
>