Okay, finally AT&T has posted the list of where you can (try) and get an
iPhone. Rumor is the highest volume sales stores will be allocated the
most, but there are only 3 million to be had over the first few days, so
it's going to be tough to get one.
"Maintenance In Progress
Wireless from AT&T is continually working to improve our internet site
for our customers. As part of this ongoing effort, we are currently doing
maintenance. We apologize for this inconvenience and ask that you please
try back again later.
Should you require immediate assistance, please call:
> > http://www.wireless.att.com/find-a-store/iphone/
>
> "Maintenance In Progress
> Wireless from AT&T is continually working to improve our internet site
> for our customers. As part of this ongoing effort, we are currently doing
> maintenance. We apologize for this inconvenience and ask that you please
> try back again later.
>
> Should you require immediate assistance, please call:
>
> 1-800-331-0500"
>
> Wow...it crashed already!
>
> Larry
Too FUNNY... I had a little trouble with their main link before I posted
it... but thought it was on my end... but simply knowing it was the
"official" source it didn't matter... but now to learn that even ATT can
keep up is funny on a major scale.
If this is the case with a simple website/database, just think of the
chaos at their stores on Friday. Wow, it really shows how poorly Cell
Companies are run.
Computer World... Welcome to the Cell World... "maintenance in
progress", what a complete joke to computer people, you know Steve is
flying in "real" engineers to fix this problem at this very moment.
ATT can't handle Apple's popularity, hate to say it, but I told them so!
Hey, Cool! It works just like the iPOD I tried - it froze my PC! After
my experience with an iPOD Mini I'd be VERY hesitant to do business with
Apple ever again. It worked almost 3 weeks before having to return it 4
times before they finally replaced it. The replacement never saw the
light of day at my house. I sold the sealed box replacement on ebay the
day it arrived.
Oxford wrote:
> Okay, finally AT&T has posted the list of where you can (try) and get
> an iPhone. Rumor is the highest volume sales stores will be allocated
> the most, but there are only 3 million to be had over the first few
> days, so it's going to be tough to get one.
>
> Good Luck!
>
> http://www.wireless.att.com/find-a-store/iphone/
>
> http://www.wireless.att.com/iphone/
> Hey, Cool! It works just like the iPOD I tried - it froze my PC! After
> my experience with an iPOD Mini I'd be VERY hesitant to do business with
> Apple ever again. It worked almost 3 weeks before having to return it 4
> times before they finally replaced it. The replacement never saw the
> light of day at my house. I sold the sealed box replacement on ebay the
> day it arrived.
but your are forgetting the iPod didn't have anything to do with your
problem, you were still trying to use a PC. please learn how modern tech
works and where the problems actually occur.
the iPod was perfect, your system wasn't, so you need to move up to a
Mac then you'll be fine. Windows just can't handle modern tech, that's
all.
Oh, and don't TOP POST on usenet, it makes you look like a further fool.
"BruceR" <razrbruce@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:4682ed0a$0$26900$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Hey, Cool! It works just like the iPOD I tried - it froze my PC! After my
> experience with an iPOD Mini I'd be VERY hesitant to do business with
> Apple ever again. It worked almost 3 weeks before having to return it 4
> times before they finally replaced it. The replacement never saw the light
> of day at my house. I sold the sealed box replacement on ebay the day it
> arrived.
>
> Oxford wrote:
>> Okay, finally AT&T has posted the list of where you can (try) and get
>> an iPhone. Rumor is the highest volume sales stores will be allocated
>> the most, but there are only 3 million to be had over the first few
>> days, so it's going to be tough to get one.
>>
>> Good Luck!
>>
>> http://www.wireless.att.com/find-a-store/iphone/
>>
>> http://www.wireless.att.com/iphone/
>
>
Mine didn't lock my PC but the battery is only good for a few minutes. iPods
are garbage!
I doubt if there's 3 million idiots who would 'line up' to buy this
over hyped piece of crap. Sure, there are those under endowed fools
who thing this cool thing will get them laid (and they'll run out and
buy one) or those with far too much disposable income that have to
keep up with the Jones, but beyond that it's just another toy for
idiots! If there are 3 million idiots willing to part with $500 I'd
love to take a piece of that action. FUCK CRAPPLE!
SoCalCommie
"The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot
is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud
of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a
feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance
that leads to war." - Sidney J. Harris
"Oxford" <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote in message
news:colalovesmacs-E1DFD9.14090527062007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net...
> Okay, finally AT&T has posted the list of where you can (try) and
get an
> iPhone. Rumor is the highest volume sales stores will be allocated
the
> most, but there are only 3 million to be had over the first few
days, so
> it's going to be tough to get one.
>
> Good Luck!
>
> http://www.wireless.att.com/find-a-store/iphone/
>
> http://www.wireless.att.com/iphone/
Oxford wrote:
> "BruceR" <razrbruce@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey, Cool! It works just like the iPOD I tried - it froze my PC!
>> After my experience with an iPOD Mini I'd be VERY hesitant to do
>> business with Apple ever again. It worked almost 3 weeks before
>> having to return it 4 times before they finally replaced it. The
>> replacement never saw the light of day at my house. I sold the
>> sealed box replacement on ebay the day it arrived.
>
> but your are forgetting the iPod didn't have anything to do with your
> problem, you were still trying to use a PC. please learn how modern
> tech works and where the problems actually occur.
>
> the iPod was perfect, your system wasn't, so you need to move up to a
> Mac then you'll be fine. Windows just can't handle modern tech, that's
> all.
>
> Oh, and don't TOP POST on usenet, it makes you look like a further
> fool.
>
Well Oxford, explain to me how a battery that wouldn't hold a charge for
more than 24 hours while turned off relates to the fact I use a PC.
While you're at it can you also explain how the fact that it took 4
returns and 6 calls to get Apple to finally "fix" the bad battery
problem by sending a new unit relates to my using a PC?
The iPOD was anything BUT perfect... it had a defective battery and
that's why they had to replace it (of course, if the brilliant Apple
designers had added a battery door I could have just popped in a new
battery but I guess having an easily replaceable battery isn't "modern
tech" - just practical).
Whether a Dual Core Intel PC or Apple machine is better is a subject
for another time and place (as is top vs bottom posting). But based on
my experience with Apple service I'll stick with my Sony PC, Sensa MP3.
Apple has beautiful if not always practical designs and there is no
taking away from the their marketing prowess with the iPOD and the
iPhone and even some of their computer designs. But after such a
horrendous experience with their service deptartment I'll just have to
pass.
MuahMan wrote:
> "BruceR" <razrbruce@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:4682ed0a$0$26900$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Hey, Cool! It works just like the iPOD I tried - it froze my PC!
>> After my experience with an iPOD Mini I'd be VERY hesitant to do
>> business with Apple ever again. It worked almost 3 weeks before
>> having to return it 4 times before they finally replaced it. The
>> replacement never saw the light of day at my house. I sold the
>> sealed box replacement on ebay the day it arrived.
>>
>> Oxford wrote:
>>> Okay, finally AT&T has posted the list of where you can (try) and
>>> get an iPhone. Rumor is the highest volume sales stores will be
>>> allocated the most, but there are only 3 million to be had over the
>>> first few days, so it's going to be tough to get one.
>>>
>>> Good Luck!
>>>
>>> http://www.wireless.att.com/find-a-store/iphone/
>>>
>>> http://www.wireless.att.com/iphone/
>>
>>
> Mine didn't lock my PC but the battery is only good for a few
> minutes. iPods are garbage!
Mine was a battery problem too (see response to Oxford). They finally
realized it on the 4 try. My Sensa MP3 player sounds great and runs 14
hours on a AAA battery. When it dies I pop a new one in in a few
seconds.
> > Oh, and don't TOP POST on usenet, it makes you look like a further
> > fool.
> >
>
> Well Oxford, explain to me how a battery that wouldn't hold a charge for
> more than 24 hours while turned off relates to the fact I use a PC.
Because of the implementation of USB on some PC's it's dicey at best.
You tried to connect a high quality product (the iPod) to a low end
device (a PC) so it's clear the PC was at fault here. What brand of PC
was it?
> While you're at it can you also explain how the fact that it took 4
> returns and 6 calls to get Apple to finally "fix" the bad battery
> problem by sending a new unit relates to my using a PC?
But that wasn't related to Apple, they sent you 4 different iPods? and
the (3,5 one worked) or did you get a new PC / plug it into a different
USB port in the meantime?
Either way, why people continue to beat themselves up with PC's is
beyond reason. Get a Mac and live a better life.
> The iPOD was anything BUT perfect... it had a defective battery and
> that's why they had to replace it (of course, if the brilliant Apple
> designers had added a battery door I could have just popped in a new
> battery but I guess having an easily replaceable battery isn't "modern
> tech" - just practical).
Replacing a battery on the iPod is easy, but adding a door would created
consumer quality issues. iPod batteries last a LONG time. 3-5 years on
average, so it's a cheaper, more eco friendly, more reliable way to go
compared to using old fashioned AA / AAA batteries. Spending $19.95 on 1
iPod battery sure beats spending $90 for the same power using AA/AAA
ones, then you always have to worry about running out of power, with an
iPod, you just plug it into FireWire or USB, done.
> Whether a Dual Core Intel PC or Apple machine is better is a subject
> for another time and place (as is top vs bottom posting). But based on
> my experience with Apple service I'll stick with my Sony PC, Sensa MP3.
>
> Apple has beautiful if not always practical designs and there is no
> taking away from the their marketing prowess with the iPOD and the
> iPhone and even some of their computer designs. But after such a
> horrendous experience with their service deptartment I'll just have to
> pass.
Was it Apple's service, or somewhere like Compusa? Just curious.
> I doubt if there's 3 million idiots who would 'line up' to buy this
> over hyped piece of crap. Sure, there are those under endowed fools
> who thing this cool thing will get them laid (and they'll run out and
> buy one) or those with far too much disposable income that have to
> keep up with the Jones, but beyond that it's just another toy for
> idiots! If there are 3 million idiots willing to part with $500 I'd
> love to take a piece of that action. FUCK CRAPPLE!
>
> SoCalCommie
There aren't 3 million idiots, but 3-20 million smart people that want
this smart phone. People that demand the very best in life will want the
iPhone on that first day, you'll get one at some point, but since it
appears you don't have any income you'll have to wait until a less
featured model is created for your economic status level.
What very colorful flavor KoolAid are they serving today?
No sane individual willingly pays-to-beta bleeding edge appliances.
Oxford Fashion Victim wrote:
> There aren't 3 million idiots, but 3-20 million smart people that want
> this smart phone. People that demand the very best in life will want the
> iPhone on that first day
In article <4683C762.8030602@Groups.com>, News <News@Groups.com> wrote:
> No sane individual willingly pays-to-beta bleeding edge appliances.
there really isn't anything "bleeding edge" on the iphone outside of the
multi-touch technology which is working quite well.
the iPhone is running OSX so you need to keep that in mind, all the
battle testing of the phone occurred years ago, so the Apps and services
will be fine.
Plus AT&T at the request of Apple tested this phone twice as long as any
phone they have ever tested. It will work just fine, you'll see.
> > There aren't 3 million idiots, but 3-20 million smart people that want
> > this smart phone. People that demand the very best in life will want the
> > iPhone on that first day, you'll get one at some point, but since it
> > appears you don't have any income you'll have to wait until a less
> > featured model is created for your economic status level.
>
> Here's the perfect phone for his ilk:
> http://tinyurl.com/2h6rou
yes, people that don't get an iphone will fast be using the "equivalent"
of that technology. (as seen in the link above) All cell phones outside
of the iphone become obsolete starting at 6:01pm tomorrow. Nobody will
have a phone this good for 1/2 a decade at least, so congrats to
everyone at Apple all the very hard work.
Oxford wrote:
> "BruceR" <razrbruce@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>> Well Oxford, explain to me how a battery that wouldn't hold a charge
>> for more than 24 hours while turned off relates to the fact I use a
>> PC.
>
> Because of the implementation of USB on some PC's it's dicey at best.
> You tried to connect a high quality product (the iPod) to a low end
> device (a PC) so it's clear the PC was at fault here. What brand of PC
> was it?
It is a Sony PC - not low end and the USB ports have not been
problematic.
>
>> While you're at it can you also explain how the fact that it took 4
>> returns and 6 calls to get Apple to finally "fix" the bad battery
>> problem by sending a new unit relates to my using a PC?
>
> But that wasn't related to Apple, they sent you 4 different iPods? and
> the (3,5 one worked) or did you get a new PC / plug it into a
> different USB port in the meantime?
Of course it's related to Apple! They returned the original iPOD 3 times
(same serial number) with a "firmware update" that did nothing to
correct the problem. They only sent a new unit the 4th time after I made
calls to Apple's corporate offices. I used the same SONY Desktop PC
each time and there is nothing wrong with the PC.
>
> Either way, why people continue to beat themselves up with PC's is
> beyond reason. Get a Mac and live a better life.
That's just arrogant. The PC was not at fault. It works fine with every
other peripheral I have used. Are you saying is that Apple is incapable
of providing a reliable interface to a PC but falsly advertises that
they do? BTW, Apple never pointed to my PC as the problem.
>
>> The iPOD was anything BUT perfect... it had a defective battery and
>> that's why they had to replace it (of course, if the brilliant Apple
>> designers had added a battery door I could have just popped in a new
>> battery but I guess having an easily replaceable battery isn't
>> "modern tech" - just practical).
>
> Replacing a battery on the iPod is easy, but adding a door would
> created consumer quality issues. iPod batteries last a LONG time. 3-5
> years on average, so it's a cheaper, more eco friendly, more reliable
> way to go compared to using old fashioned AA / AAA batteries.
> Spending $19.95 on 1 iPod battery sure beats spending $90 for the
> same power using AA/AAA ones, then you always have to worry about
> running out of power, with an iPod, you just plug it into FireWire or
> USB, done.
Low profile LiOn batteries are available for all kinds of consumer
products. To say that a battery door would create "consumer quality
issues" is just nonsense as vitually every other battery operated
device - including MP3 Players and Mobile phones - have battery doors
that clearly do not create "consumer quality issues." Or are you saying
that Apple is unique in not being able to avoid "creating consumer
quality issues" by adding a battery door? In any case I fail to see how
the addition of a battery door would affect the quality of the consumer . As for the cost of batteries, I pay 40 cents for AAA alkaline
batteries that last me about 3 weeks so I spend about $6 a year. I
don't worry about running out of power because I always keep a few
spares in my briefcase. I do not, however, always have a convenient USB
or FW port handy.
>
>> Whether a Dual Core Intel PC or Apple machine is better is a subject
>> for another time and place (as is top vs bottom posting). But based
>> on my experience with Apple service I'll stick with my Sony PC,
>> Sensa MP3.
>>
>> Apple has beautiful if not always practical designs and there is no
>> taking away from the their marketing prowess with the iPOD and the
>> iPhone and even some of their computer designs. But after such a
>> horrendous experience with their service deptartment I'll just have
>> to pass.
>
> Was it Apple's service, or somewhere like Compusa? Just curious.
It was Apple's direct service. They sent boxes - I returned the unit.
They returned the same serial number unit. 3 TIMES. Only after a call to
Apple corporate did they finally send a refurbed unit. Compare that to
when my Sony laptop needed a new keyboard. I walked into the Sony repair
depot, handed them my laptop and receipt and 25 minutes later walked out
with a new keyboard installed. THAT's the kind of service that keeps me
interested in Sony and COULD have kept me interested in Apple.
Actually, had they just fixed it the first time I would have been happy.
I have been using Motorola phones since 1984 and have never had a
service issue or need for any repair. I have changed the low profile
LiOn batteries myself without experiencing any "consumer quality issues"
whatsoever. I continue to remain a high quality consumer.
"Oxford" <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote in message
news:colalovesmacs-337529.07234228062007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net...
> "Richard Colton" <webmaster@NILSPAMuselessinfo.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Any chance you could crosspost to a few more disintersted groups next
>> time?
>
> no, everyone that this was posted to was interested. you are just
> jealous that you are locked into another servive plan, that's all.
No, I'm not locked into any service plan, nor am I jealous.
> you'll get an iPhone at some point.
Not likely after the fiasco I had with ipods for my kids. I'd rather have a
fully featured phone not locked into proprietry software thanks. Now, if
someone would release a Linux based handset with the features my HTC Hermes
has I could well be convinced to change.
So why don't you hold your breath and I'll tell you "soon enough" when
I've decided to beta the product.
You can start.... now.
I'll be back to you when I've decided to beta.
So hold your breath until then....
Oxford wrote:
> In article <4683D164.8030100@Groups.com>, News <News@Groups.com> wrote:
>
>
>>No, "You'll" see.
>>
>>No sane person will be paying-to-beta in the real world.
>
>
> No, you don't understand. Apple doesn't do "beta" tests, they actually
> ship the full "complete" product unless they "specifically" say "beta".
>
> The beta program was over this spring for the iPhone. So "you'll" get
> the full product, with zero to very, very few bugs.
>
> Apple isn't like other companies in this regard, they have higher
> standards. MUCH higher standards, that's why they have such a solid
> following.
>
> "You'll get one soon enough" so don't be too jealous right now...
If there isn't anything bleeding edge then explain why it will take
others "a half a decade" to introduce something similar? Nokia's roll
out, flexible screen isn't even that far off.
Oxford wrote:
> In article <4683C762.8030602@Groups.com>, News <News@Groups.com>
> wrote:
>
>> No sane individual willingly pays-to-beta bleeding edge appliances.
>
> there really isn't anything "bleeding edge" on the iphone outside of
> the multi-touch technology which is working quite well.
>
> the iPhone is running OSX so you need to keep that in mind, all the
> battle testing of the phone occurred years ago, so the Apps and
> services will be fine.
>
> Plus AT&T at the request of Apple tested this phone twice as long as
> any phone they have ever tested. It will work just fine, you'll see.
Oxford wrote:
> In article <4683D164.8030100@Groups.com>, News <News@Groups.com>
> wrote:
>> Apple isn't like other companies in this regard, they have higher
> standards. MUCH higher standards, that's why they have such a solid
> following.
>
> "You'll get one soon enough" so don't be too jealous right now...
"MUCH higher standards?" Can't prove it by my experience.
> If there isn't anything bleeding edge then explain why it will take
> others "a half a decade" to introduce something similar? Nokia's roll
> out, flexible screen isn't even that far off.
first of all, DO NOT TOP post!
it makes you look like a total fool... all usenet replies appear at the
BOTTOM of a reply, or you are dismissed.
Apple has over 200 patents on the iPhone, so it will be at least 17
years before anyone can copy it. Nokia isn't really in the game anymore,
they started it for sure, but they kinda became the IBM, and will leave
the market in the next few years. No way they can compete against Apple
level engineering and design, they simply don't have the resources.
Yes, SONY has shown this flexible screen as well, and Apple showed it
way, way back in 1996/7, so Apple still is the main company that brings
tech to people, so Nokia is pretty much a goner at this point in the
game. They tried, and were good for awhile but they are no match for an
"Apple".
Your "exposition" on patent law makes you the fool to be dismissed.
Not to mention your mindless MacKop toadying to unproductive convention.
Oxford wrote:
> "BruceR" <razrbruce@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>
>>If there isn't anything bleeding edge then explain why it will take
>>others "a half a decade" to introduce something similar? Nokia's roll
>>out, flexible screen isn't even that far off.
>
>
> first of all, DO NOT TOP post!
>
> it makes you look like a total fool... all usenet replies appear at the
> BOTTOM of a reply, or you are dismissed.
>
> Apple has over 200 patents on the iPhone, so it will be at least 17
> years before anyone can copy it.
In article <4684019c$0$30684$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, BruceR
<razrbruce@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote:
> Of course it's related to Apple! They returned the original iPOD 3 times
> (same serial number) with a "firmware update" that did nothing to
> correct the problem. They only sent a new unit the 4th time after I made
> calls to Apple's corporate offices. I used the same SONY Desktop PC
> each time and there is nothing wrong with the PC.
Why is it that everybody who has problems with iPods uses Windows?
> Get a Mac and live a better life.
>
> That's just arrogant. The PC was not at fault. It works fine with every
> other peripheral I have used. Are you saying is that Apple is incapable
> of providing a reliable interface to a PC but falsly advertises that
> they do? BTW, Apple never pointed to my PC as the problem.
No, he's simply trolling outlandishly and laughing at our reasoned
responses. If his precious Mac died he'd blame the country's non-Apple-
built power grid before he blamed Apple.
You can't argue the Dogma of Apple Infallibility with the faithful.
I've been in marketing too long to be brand loyal. If one product (be it
Coke/Pepsi, Ford/Chevy, PC/Mac, whatever) were truely THAT superior to
another in the same category, it'd dominate the market and eliminate the
other...
....or at least relegate the other to a 5% market share... ;-)
> > Of course it's related to Apple! They returned the original iPOD 3 times
> > (same serial number) with a "firmware update" that did nothing to
> > correct the problem. They only sent a new unit the 4th time after I made
> > calls to Apple's corporate offices. I used the same SONY Desktop PC
> > each time and there is nothing wrong with the PC.
>
> Why is it that everybody who has problems with iPods uses Windows?
yes, Windows is the weak link in the chain for most people no matter
what they do in life. The iPod is blamed in this case, but 99.9% of the
time it's actually "MS Windows" or the very poor hardware base on which
Windows tries to run is the actual problem.
PCs are a huge sea of "junk", but since the dumb people of the world
thing "computers should be complicated" and shouldn't work correctly,
PC's win!
Apple "loses" since the societal concept of a problem free PC is foreign
to their experience.
Thankfully, Apple will win in the end, once all the dumb people die.
AT&T's iPhone Store Locator has been posted. 
. As for the cost of batteries, I pay 40 cents for AAA alkaline
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