An unexpected number of weekend phone sales overwhelm AT&T activationinfrastructure again

3G S sales expectations shift higher, Apple offers $30 credit for
activation issues
from The Unofficial Apple Weblog (TUAW) by Michael Rose

Filed under: iPhone
It's Father's Day here in the USA, UK and Canada (best wishes to all
the Mac daddies out there!), and if the tea-leaf-reading over the
iPhone 3G S launch is accurate, it looks like quite a few of those
dads may have gotten a shiny new phone as a gift from the spouse and
kids. Which would have been really thoughtful and unexpected. If I had
gotten one. Anyway.

The pre-launch expectation from analyst Gene Munster was for a
comparatively modest 500K units sold over the weekend vs. the 3G
million-phone launch, but now his firm has suggested that may have
been a conservative number, as noted by AppleInsider. Between AT&T's
citing of 'hundreds of thousands' of pre-orders for the phone, and O2
announcing that first-day sales for the 3G S blew past the totals for
the 3G last year, it's possible that the 3G S could creep up towards
that million-phone number and blockbuster territory.

Despite (or perhaps due to) the brisk sales pace, AT&T's activation
infrastructure did not seem to be ready for the influx of account
changes; this is a familiar situation, as last year's 3G launch
triggered similar delays. Many new buyers (including our own Steve
Sande) were faced with activation delays between two hours and two
days. In recognition of the aggravation and inconvenience, Apple has
begun emailing affected users with the offer of a $30 iTunes credit to
be delivered Monday morning, according to Everything iCafe. If you got
a credit email, please let us know.

Maybe next time Apple and AT&T will let online sales be delivered and
activated a week or two before they let the rest get theirs via
retail. Ot maybe release it in waves first in the SE then the NE
working you way across the country for a couple of weeks instead of
all at once.

"There's an app for that...on the $99 iPhone @ AT&T" <vic.healey@gmail.com>
wrote in message
news:316107c5-1cb7-418d-91eb-fbfcc42af1b8@r3g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> Despite (or perhaps due to) the brisk sales pace, AT&T's activation
> infrastructure did not seem to be ready for the influx of account
> changes; this is a familiar situation, as last year's 3G launch
> triggered similar delays. Many new buyers (including our own Steve
> Sande) were faced with activation delays between two hours and two
> days. In recognition of the aggravation and inconvenience, Apple has
> begun emailing affected users with the offer of a $30 iTunes credit to
> be delivered Monday morning, according to Everything iCafe. If you got
> a credit email, please let us know.
>
> Maybe next time Apple and AT&T will let online sales be delivered and
> activated a week or two before they let the rest get theirs via
> retail. Ot maybe release it in waves first in the SE then the NE
> working you way across the country for a couple of weeks instead of
> all at once.

Or maybe next year Apple will allow iPhones to simply work like every other
GSM phone on the planet, and not require "activation." Subtracting the
probable large number of upgraders from the "activation server" would've
probably lightened the load. Why an existing AT&T customer can't just stick
his or her existing working SIM into an iPhone without cradling it to a
computer and "phoning home," just like any other phone, is a mystery I'll
never understand.

"There's an app for that...on the $99 iPhone @ AT&T" <vic.healey@gmail.com>
wrote in news:316107c5-1cb7-418d-91eb-fbfcc42af1b8
@r3g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:

> 3G S sales expectations shift higher, Apple offers $30 credit for
> activation issues
> from The Unofficial Apple Weblog (TUAW) by Michael Rose
>

That's odd. This guy went to the Apple store in San Francisco and he said
they had plenty and there was NOONE waiting!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuikXR_y7Ok

--
-----
Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?

"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in
newsOC%l.43327$9Z.26087@newsfe08.iad:

> Or maybe next year Apple will allow iPhones to simply work like every
> other GSM phone on the planet, and not require "activation."
> Subtracting the probable large number of upgraders from the
> "activation server" would've probably lightened the load. Why an
> existing AT&T customer can't just stick his or her existing working
> SIM into an iPhone without cradling it to a computer and "phoning
> home," just like any other phone, is a mystery I'll never understand.
>
>

It's all about Apple controlling and licensing software to the specific
phone and phone to user....


--
-----
Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009, Todd Allcock posted:
> Why an existing AT&T customer can't just stick
> his or her existing working SIM into an iPhone without cradling it to a
> computer and "phoning home," just like any other phone, is a mystery I'll
> never understand.

It is no mystery. The reason is the same that Sauron forged the One Ring;
to dominate all the others. Steve Jobs is a control freak; and Apple
takes its lead from him.

Legally, Apple has no right to control what consumers do with their iToys.
Title transfers to the consumer when they buy it. Apple's claim, such as
it is, is that they are merely enforcing their software license, as if
otherwise someone will run the iToy firmware on a Zune.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

At 22 Jun 2009 03:51:19 +0000 Larry wrote:

> > Or maybe next year Apple will allow iPhones to simply work like every
> > other GSM phone on the planet, and not require "activation."
> > Subtracting the probable large number of upgraders from the
> > "activation server" would've probably lightened the load. Why an
> > existing AT&T customer can't just stick his or her existing working
> > SIM into an iPhone without cradling it to a computer and "phoning
> > home," just like any other phone, is a mystery I'll never understand.
> >
> >
>
> It's all about Apple controlling and licensing software to the specific
> phone and phone to user....


I understand the need for DRM, protection, licensing, etc., but I haven't
figured out the need for "activation." AFAICT, the phone is recognized by
iTunes by serial number, and your iTunes account by username/password- I
don't see where activation comes into play except as a user anoyance.

On 6/21/09 10:49 PM, in article Xns9C31F246AE0F0noonehomecom@74.209.131.13,
"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote:

> "There's an app for that...on the $99 iPhone @ AT&T" <vic.healey@gmail.com>
> wrote in news:316107c5-1cb7-418d-91eb-fbfcc42af1b8
> @r3g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>
>> 3G S sales expectations shift higher, Apple offers $30 credit for
>> activation issues
>> from The Unofficial Apple Weblog (TUAW) by Michael Rose
>>
>
> That's odd. This guy went to the Apple store in San Francisco and he said
> they had plenty and there was NOONE waiting!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuikXR_y7Ok
"NOONE"?!? RAALY?

Here is the reason AT&T was overwhelmed this last weekend...

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/06/22iphone.html
Apple Sells Over One Million iPhone 3GS Models iPhone 3.0 Software
Downloads
Reach Six Million

CUPERTINO, California—June 22, 2009—Apple® today announced that it has
sold
over one million iPhone™ 3GS models through Sunday, June 21, the third
day
after its launch. In addition, six million customers have downloaded
the new
iPhone 3.0 software in the first five days since its release.

“Customers are voting and the iPhone is winning,” said Steve Jobs,
Apple’s
CEO. “With over 50,000 applications available from Apple’s
revolutionary App
Store, iPhone momentum is stronger than ever.”

The new iPhone 3GS is the fastest, most powerful iPhone yet, packed
with
incredible new features including improved speed and performance—up to
twice
as fast as iPhone 3G—with longer battery life, a high-quality 3
megapixel
autofocus camera, easy to use video recording and hands free voice
control.
iPhone 3GS includes the new iPhone OS 3.0, the world’s most advanced
mobile
operating system with over 100 new features such as Cut, Copy and
Paste,
MMS*, Spotlight™ Search, landscape keyboard and more. iPhone 3GS
customers
get access to more than 50,000 applications from Apple’s revolutionary
App
Store, the largest application store in the world where customers have
already downloaded over one billion apps. iPhone 3GS offers twice the
capacity for the same price with a 16GB model for just $199 and a new
32GB
model for just $299.** And iPhone 3G is available at the breakthrough
price
of just $99 for the 8GB model—a huge milestone for the high end
smartphone
market.

*MMS messaging is available only on iPhone 3G or iPhone 3GS; fees may
apply.
MMS may not be available in all areas. MMS support from AT&T will be
available in late summer.

**Qualified customers only. Requires a new two year AT&T rate plan,
sold
separately.



On Jun 21, 10:52*pm, "There's an app for that...on the $99 iPhone @
AT&T" <vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 3G S sales expectations shift higher, Apple offers $30 credit for
> activation issues
> from The Unofficial Apple Weblog (TUAW) by Michael Rose
>
> Filed under: iPhone
> It's Father's Day here in the USA, UK and Canada (best wishes to all
> the Mac daddies out there!), and if the tea-leaf-reading over the
> iPhone 3G S launch is accurate, it looks like quite a few of those
> dads may have gotten a shiny new phone as a gift from the spouse and
> kids. Which would have been really thoughtful and unexpected. If I had
> gotten one. Anyway.
>
> The pre-launch expectation from analyst Gene Munster was for a
> comparatively modest 500K units sold over the weekend vs. the 3G
> million-phone launch, but now his firm has suggested that may have
> been a conservative number, as noted by AppleInsider. Between AT&T's
> citing of 'hundreds of thousands' of pre-orders for the phone, and O2
> announcing that first-day sales for the 3G S blew past the totals for
> the 3G last year, it's possible that the 3G S could creep up towards
> that million-phone number and blockbuster territory.
>
> Despite (or perhaps due to) the brisk sales pace, AT&T's activation
> infrastructure did not seem to be ready for the influx of account
> changes; this is a familiar situation, as last year's 3G launch
> triggered similar delays. Many new buyers (including our own Steve
> Sande) were faced with activation delays between two hours and two
> days. In recognition of the aggravation and inconvenience, Apple has
> begun emailing affected users with the offer of a $30 iTunes credit to
> be delivered Monday morning, according to Everything iCafe. If you got
> a credit email, please let us know.
>
> Maybe next time Apple and AT&T will let online sales be delivered and
> activated a week or two before they let the rest get theirs via
> retail. Ot maybe release it in waves first in the SE then the NE
> working you way across the country for a couple of weeks instead of
> all at once.

Here is the easier to read version:

Apple Sells Over One Million iPhone 3GS Models
iPhone 3.0 Software Downloads Reach Six Million

CUPERTINO, California‹June 22, 2009‹Apple today announced that it has
sold over one million iPhone 3GS models through Sunday, June 21, the
third day after its launch. In addition, six million customers have
downloaded the new iPhone 3.0 software in the first five days since its
release.

³Customers are voting and the iPhone is winning,² said Steve Jobs,
Apple¹s CEO. ³With over 50,000 applications available from Apple¹s
revolutionary App Store, iPhone momentum is stronger than ever.²

The new iPhone 3GS is the fastest, most powerful iPhone yet, packed with
incredible new features including improved speed and performance‹up to
twice as fast as iPhone 3G‹with longer battery life, a high-quality 3
megapixel autofocus camera, easy to use video recording and hands free
voice control. iPhone 3GS includes the new iPhone OS 3.0, the world¹s
most advanced mobile operating system with over 100 new features such as
Cut, Copy and Paste, MMS*, Spotlight� Search, landscape keyboard and
more. iPhone 3GS customers get access to more than 50,000 applications
from Apple¹s revolutionary App Store, the largest application store in
the world where customers have already downloaded over one billion apps.
iPhone 3GS offers twice the capacity for the same price with a 16GB
model for just $199 and a new 32GB model for just $299.** And iPhone 3G
is available at the breakthrough price of just $99 for the 8GB model‹a
huge milestone for the high end smartphone market.

*MMS messaging is available only on iPhone 3G or iPhone 3GS; fees may
apply. MMS may not be available in all areas. MMS support from AT&T will
be available in late summer.

Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the
Apple II and reinvented the personal computer in the 1980s with the
Macintosh. Today, Apple continues to lead the industry in innovation
with its award-winning computers, OS X operating system and iLife and
professional applications. Apple is also spearheading the digital media
revolution with its iPod portable music and video players and iTunes
online store, and has entered the mobile phone market with its
revolutionary iPhone.

lots more news here:

http://www.macsurfer.com/?left=close

In article <4a3fb2c9$0$48216$815e3792@news.qwest.net>, Mike Hofman
<info@recreate68.org> wrote:

> Apple Sells Over One Million iPhone 3GS Models

So if you include the subsidy price AT&T pays to Apple, Apple pulled in
$600,000,000 or more for the weekend.

Eat that Apple haters........

--
Charles

"Mike Hofman" <info@recreate68.org> wrote in message
news:4a3fb2c9$0$48216$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
> Here is the easier to read version:
>
> Apple Sells Over One Million iPhone 3GS Models
> iPhone 3.0 Software Downloads Reach Six Million
>
> CUPERTINO, California > sold over one million iPhone 3GS models through
> Sunday, June 21, the
> third day after its launch. In addition, six million customers have
> downloaded the new iPhone 3.0 software in the first five days since its
> release.


While the sales are certainly impressive, I'd suggest in the future, Apple
rethinks their press releases a little better.

> "iPhone 3GS includes the new iPhone OS 3.0, the world¹s
> most advanced mobile operating system with over 100 new features such as
> Cut, Copy and Paste, MMS*..."

....is almost an oxymoron. Better to leave the new features a mystery than
to admit such pedestrian features are actually new to the "world's most
advanced mobile operating system."

"In other news, Ford unveiled a new 2010 Taurus 3GS with over a hundred new
features, like spare tire, speedometer, and fuel gauge..."

Charles wrote:
> In article <4a3fb2c9$0$48216$815e3792@news.qwest.net>, Mike Hofman
> <info@recreate68.org> wrote:
>
>> Apple Sells Over One Million iPhone 3GS Models
>
> So if you include the subsidy price AT&T pays to Apple, Apple pulled in
> $600,000,000 or more for the weekend.
>
> Eat that Apple haters........
>



Wow. And many of those same customers were even able to "activate".

BTW, it's not about AAPL hate, it's about irrational AAPL exuberance.

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:22:26 -0600, "Todd Allcock"
<elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in <pOC%l.43327$9Z.26087@newsfe08.iad>:

>
>"There's an app for that...on the $99 iPhone @ AT&T" <vic.healey@gmail.com>
>wrote in message
>news:316107c5-1cb7-418d-91eb-fbfcc42af1b8@r3g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...

>> Maybe next time Apple and AT&T will let online sales be delivered and
>> activated a week or two before they let the rest get theirs via
>> retail. Ot maybe release it in waves first in the SE then the NE
>> working you way across the country for a couple of weeks instead of
>> all at once.
>
>Or maybe next year Apple will allow iPhones to simply work like every other
>GSM phone on the planet, and not require "activation." Subtracting the
>probable large number of upgraders from the "activation server" would've
>probably lightened the load. Why an existing AT&T customer can't just stick
>his or her existing working SIM into an iPhone without cradling it to a
>computer and "phoning home," just like any other phone, is a mystery I'll
>never understand.

Amen.

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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:04:39 -0600, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@aNOoSPAMl.com> wrote in <rpG%l.32734$IP7.2370@newsfe23.iad>:

>At 22 Jun 2009 03:51:19 +0000 Larry wrote:
>
>> > Or maybe next year Apple will allow iPhones to simply work like every
>> > other GSM phone on the planet, and not require "activation."
>> > Subtracting the probable large number of upgraders from the
>> > "activation server" would've probably lightened the load. Why an
>> > existing AT&T customer can't just stick his or her existing working
>> > SIM into an iPhone without cradling it to a computer and "phoning
>> > home," just like any other phone, is a mystery I'll never understand.
>>
>> It's all about Apple controlling and licensing software to the specific
>> phone and phone to user....
>
>I understand the need for DRM, protection, licensing, etc., but I haven't
>figured out the need for "activation." AFAICT, the phone is recognized by
>iTunes by serial number, and your iTunes account by username/password- I
>don't see where activation comes into play except as a user anoyance.

It could all be controlled by SIM, but Apple and AT&T want even tighter
control by IMEI.

Now let the excuses roll...

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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:47:14 -0600, "Todd Allcock"
<elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in <YAO%l.10127$hE.4596@newsfe13.iad>:

>"Mike Hofman" <info@recreate68.org> wrote in message
>news:4a3fb2c9$0$48216$815e3792@news.qwest.net.. .

>> "iPhone 3GS includes the new iPhone OS 3.0, the world¹s
>> most advanced mobile operating system with over 100 new features such as
>> Cut, Copy and Paste, MMS*..."
>
>...is almost an oxymoron. Better to leave the new features a mystery than
>to admit such pedestrian features are actually new to the "world's most
>advanced mobile operating system."
>
>"In other news, Ford unveiled a new 2010 Taurus 3GS with over a hundred new
>features, like spare tire, speedometer, and fuel gauge..."

That is too funny!

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On 6/22/09 11:43 AM, in article 220620091243306898%fort514@mac.com,
"Charles" <fort514@mac.com> wrote:

> In article <4a3fb2c9$0$48216$815e3792@news.qwest.net>, Mike Hofman
> <info@recreate68.org> wrote:
>
>> Apple Sells Over One Million iPhone 3GS Models
>
> So if you include the subsidy price AT&T pays to Apple, Apple pulled in
> $600,000,000 or more for the weekend.
>
> Eat that Apple haters........
I'm sure some of them will find a worm and complain...

On 6/22/09 12:58 PM, in article lghv35tfo0799sk1qdmk92ibuh4tgccg6e@4ax.com,
"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:47:14 -0600, "Todd Allcock"
> <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in <YAO%l.10127$hE.4596@newsfe13.iad>:
>
>> "Mike Hofman" <info@recreate68.org> wrote in message
>> news:4a3fb2c9$0$48216$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
>
>>> "iPhone 3GS includes the new iPhone OS 3.0, the world¹s
>>> most advanced mobile operating system with over 100 new features such as
>>> Cut, Copy and Paste, MMS*..."
>>
>> ...is almost an oxymoron. Better to leave the new features a mystery than
>> to admit such pedestrian features are actually new to the "world's most
>> advanced mobile operating system."
>>
>> "In other news, Ford unveiled a new 2010 Taurus 3GS with over a hundred new
>> features, like spare tire, speedometer, and fuel gauge..."
>
> That is too funny!
For a double-digiter such as yourself, I'm sure it almost got you
accidentally going in your pants from your glee.

In message <Xns9C31F246AE0F0noonehomecom@74.209.131.13> Larry
<noone@home.com> was claimed to have wrote:

>"There's an app for that...on the $99 iPhone @ AT&T" <vic.healey@gmail.com>
>wrote in news:316107c5-1cb7-418d-91eb-fbfcc42af1b8
>@r3g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>
>> 3G S sales expectations shift higher, Apple offers $30 credit for
>> activation issues
>> from The Unofficial Apple Weblog (TUAW) by Michael Rose
>>
>
>That's odd. This guy went to the Apple store in San Francisco and he said
>they had plenty and there was NOONE waiting!

That was the experience at the Rogers dealer where I went this weekend,
although I spelled it "no one" -- In fact, not a single non-employee
wandered in or out of the store the whole 75 minutes I was there.

Why 75 minutes you ask? Rogers' dealer POS system was down, as was
Apple's activation servers, each took an excessive amount of time to
resolve.

At 22 Jun 2009 10:56:44 -0700 John Navas wrote:

> >> > Or maybe next year Apple will allow iPhones to simply work like every
> >> > other GSM phone on the planet, and not require "activation."
> >> > Subtracting the probable large number of upgraders from the
> >> > "activation server" would've probably lightened the load. Why an
> >> > existing AT&T customer can't just stick his or her existing working
> >> > SIM into an iPhone without cradling it to a computer and "phoning
> >> > home," just like any other phone, is a mystery I'll never understand.
> >>
> >> It's all about Apple controlling and licensing software to the
specific
> >> phone and phone to user....
> >
> >I understand the need for DRM, protection, licensing, etc., but I haven't
> >figured out the need for "activation." AFAICT, the phone is recognized
by
> >iTunes by serial number, and your iTunes account by username/password- I
> >don't see where activation comes into play except as a user anoyance.
>
> It could all be controlled by SIM, but Apple and AT&T want even tighter
> control by IMEI.
>
> Now let the excuses roll...


But even IMEI could be controlled at the network level, without
inconveniencing the customer. E.g. when an iPhone is detected, block data
unless the customer has an appropriate plan. T-Mo handles it that way for
G1 phones. G1 customers don't need Goggle's "permission" to make their
first phone call.

On Jun 22, 1:43*pm, News <N...@Group.Name> wrote:
> Charles wrote:
> > In article <4a3fb2c9$0$48216$815e3...@news.qwest.net>, Mike Hofman
> > <i...@recreate68.org> wrote:
>
> >> Apple Sells Over One Million iPhone 3GS Models
>
> > So if you include the subsidy price AT&T pays to Apple, Apple pulled in
> > $600,000,000 or more for the weekend.
>
> > Eat that Apple haters........
>
> Wow. *And many of those same customers were even able to "activate".
>
> BTW, it's not about AAPL hate, it's about irrational AAPL exuberance.

Sounds like they need to release a new model every month and they'll
sell ok.

Mark Crispin <mrc@panda.com> wrote in
news:alpine.OSX.2.00.0906212110190.1934@hsinghsing .panda.com:

> Legally, Apple has no right to control what consumers do with their
> iToys. Title transfers to the consumer when they buy it.

Actually, title would transfer to the consumer when his CONTRACT WAS UP, at
which time the unit has been paid for! People are borrowing money from the
Borg to buy the thing subsidized. It's not YOUR phone until YOU pay the
sum total of the monthly fees!



--
-----
Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?

Charles <fort514@mac.com> wrote in news:220620091243306898%fort514
@mac.com:

> In article <4a3fb2c9$0$48216$815e3792@news.qwest.net>, Mike Hofman
> <info@recreate68.org> wrote:
>
>> Apple Sells Over One Million iPhone 3GS Models
>
> So if you include the subsidy price AT&T pays to Apple, Apple pulled
in
> $600,000,000 or more for the weekend.
>
> Eat that Apple haters........
>

This must have been quite short of investor expectations:

AAPL today:
Last Trade: 137.37
Trade Time: 4:00pm ET
Change: Down 2.11 (1.51%)
Prev Close: 139.48

They are the only people at Apple that actually matter. They own the
place! Some were not amused.....

From CNBC:
"said it sold more than 1 million units of its newest iPhone, the 3GS,
in the first three days of launch. But shares were still lower as
investors remained skittish over the health of CEO Steve Jobs. CNBC
confirmed Jobs had a liver transplant several months ago."

Investors are really pissed off about NOT being told by the Board of
Directors, who MUST tell them the truth or else. Some heads at
Cupertino need to roll on this one. A lot of people risk a lot of money
on AAPL and there's no excuse to shut them out of knowing EXACTLY what
the health of the company brass is at all times.

Someone needs to kick some ass at HQ to remind them this is a PUBLIC
company.....not their private island.


--
-----
Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?

"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in
news:YAO%l.10127$hE.4596@newsfe13.iad:

> "In other news, Ford unveiled a new 2010 Taurus 3GS with over a
> hundred new features, like spare tire, speedometer, and fuel gauge..."
>

....and hoards of Ford fanbois were blogging the net 24/7 touting the new
speedometer as a revolution in automotive transportation that will
revolutionize the entire industry!....(c;]

Next thing you know, EVERYONE will have speedometers, fuel guages and spare
tires (tyres) in the trunk (boot)...


--
-----
Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, Larry posted:
>> Legally, Apple has no right to control what consumers do with their
>> iToys. Title transfers to the consumer when they buy it.
> Actually, title would transfer to the consumer when his CONTRACT WAS UP, at
> which time the unit has been paid for! People are borrowing money from the
> Borg to buy the thing subsidized. It's not YOUR phone until YOU pay the
> sum total of the monthly fees!

Actually, no. But it's a good question.

The way the contact is structured, you get a "free phone" or "discounted
phone" with a "service commitment" and "early termination fee". It's not
a "finance plan" or a "lease to buy", although in some states you'll pay
sales tax as if it was such. Nor is there a lien on the phone or
repossession if you fail to fufill your obligations.

If they want to retain title until contract fufillment, they need to word
the contract that way. But if they did that, they wouldn't be able to
maintain the fantasy of a "free" or "cheap" phone. Oh dear, oh my...

If you fail to hold up your end, they'll piss on your credit rating and
blacklist the phone's IMEI/MSN, but they can't take the actual phone back.

Similarly, if the contract was structed as a finance plan or lease to buy,
then when the contract term is reached the monthly payments would be
reduced by the amount of the finance/lease fees. As we all know, no such
thing happens; you simply become a month-to-month customer with no service
commitment who can cancel at any time.

In short, title to the phone does transfer immediately.

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"News" <News@Group.Name> wrote in message
news:EYKdncTuRq5ZX6LXnZ2dnUVZ_hxi4p2d@speakeasy.ne t...
> Charles wrote:
>> In article <4a3fb2c9$0$48216$815e3792@news.qwest.net>, Mike Hofman
>> <info@recreate68.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Apple Sells Over One Million iPhone 3GS Models
>>
>> So if you include the subsidy price AT&T pays to Apple, Apple pulled in
>> $600,000,000 or more for the weekend. Eat that Apple haters........
>>
>
>
>
> Wow. And many of those same customers were even able to "activate".
>
> BTW, it's not about AAPL hate, it's about irrational AAPL exuberance.

The operative word here is "irrational".

Main Entry:
1ir·ra·tio·nal
Pronunciation:
\i-'ra-sh(?-)n?l, ?i(r)-\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
Middle English, from Latin irrationalis, from in- + rationalis rational
Date:
14th century
: not rational: as a (1): not endowed with reason or understanding (2):
lacking usual or normal mental clarity or coherence

Describes AppleFreaks accuratly.

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:15:01 -0700, Mark Crispin <mrc@panda.com> wrote
in <alpine.OSX.2.00.0906221439540.1934@hsinghsing.pan da.com>:

>On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, Larry posted:
>>> Legally, Apple has no right to control what consumers do with their
>>> iToys. Title transfers to the consumer when they buy it.
>> Actually, title would transfer to the consumer when his CONTRACT WAS UP, at
>> which time the unit has been paid for! People are borrowing money from the
>> Borg to buy the thing subsidized. It's not YOUR phone until YOU pay the
>> sum total of the monthly fees!
>
>Actually, no. But it's a good question.
>
>The way the contact is structured, you get a "free phone" or "discounted
>phone" with a "service commitment" and "early termination fee". It's not
>a "finance plan" or a "lease to buy", although in some states you'll pay
>sales tax as if it was such. Nor is there a lien on the phone or
>repossession if you fail to fufill your obligations.
>
>If they want to retain title until contract fufillment, they need to word
>the contract that way. But if they did that, they wouldn't be able to
>maintain the fantasy of a "free" or "cheap" phone. Oh dear, oh my...
>
>If you fail to hold up your end, they'll piss on your credit rating and
>blacklist the phone's IMEI/MSN, but they can't take the actual phone back.
>
>Similarly, if the contract was structed as a finance plan or lease to buy,
>then when the contract term is reached the monthly payments would be
>reduced by the amount of the finance/lease fees. As we all know, no such
>thing happens; you simply become a month-to-month customer with no service
>commitment who can cancel at any time.
>
>In short, title to the phone does transfer immediately.

Correct.

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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:38:33 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote in
<Xns9C32B378B6980noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>:

>"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in
>news:YAO%l.10127$hE.4596@newsfe13.iad:
>
>> "In other news, Ford unveiled a new 2010 Taurus 3GS with over a
>> hundred new features, like spare tire, speedometer, and fuel gauge..."
>
>...and hoards of Ford fanbois were blogging the net 24/7 touting the new
>speedometer as a revolution in automotive transportation that will
>revolutionize the entire industry!....(c;]
>
>Next thing you know, EVERYONE will have speedometers, fuel guages and spare
>tires (tyres) in the trunk (boot)...

Even funnier!

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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:27:01 -0400, zara wrote:
> Describes AppleFreaks accuratly.

To bad yer spell chek can't spel accuratly.

Tim Murray wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:27:01 -0400, zara wrote:
>> Describes AppleFreaks accuratly.
>
> To bad yer spell chek can't spel accuratly.
>



....."Excuse typos. Sent from her iPhone".....

Mark Crispin <mrc@panda.com> wrote in
news:alpine.OSX.2.00.0906221439540.1934@hsinghsing .panda.com:

> If you fail to hold up your end, they'll piss on your credit rating and
>

I've always viewed pissing on someone's credit rating as a "feature", not a
bad thing. Anyone in 2009 in debt up to their nose from poorly disciplined
spending on a good credit rating knows what I'm talking about.

My credit rating must be fine. I got 4 pre-approved credit card apps in
the last 7 days....even now!



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is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?