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Old 02-19-2008, 10:37 PM
4phun
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Default Unlimited voice AND data for only $99 come to a GSM network starting2/21/08

T-Mobile Offers Unlimited Plan, Too
Phone Scoop posted Today, 4:35 PM by Eric M. Zeman

Today T-Mobile also announced that it will offer subscribers an
unlimited plan for $99 per month. T-Mobile's offering is the only plan
announced today that includes both voice and messaging services at the
$99 price point. The new plan will be available beginning February
21.

from T-Mobile

The GSM deal is better than Verizon's.

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Old 02-20-2008, 01:39 AM
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:33:55 -0800, Pegleg <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote
in <0b4nr3pdai3d5s2fvunf20l9uhmb1taaid@4ax.com>:

>On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:37:38 -0800 (PST), 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>The GSM deal is better than Verizon's.

>
>But T-Mobile's service sucks big time!


Depends on where you are. There are many places where T-Mobile service
is good.

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Old 02-20-2008, 02:30 AM
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Pegleg <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in
news:0b4nr3pdai3d5s2fvunf20l9uhmb1taaid@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:37:38 -0800 (PST), 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>The GSM deal is better than Verizon's.

>
> But T-Mobile's service sucks big time!


On Verizon, you have to look carefully at the offer.......

Unlimited voice....................................and data.

It doesn't say unlimited DATA....See?

It would be fun to test "unlimited data" on Verizon, again, though in
conjuction with the NY State Attorney General's office, just to see their
faces. We'll use AG Cuomo's Aircard....(c;




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Old 02-20-2008, 03:02 AM
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:30:18 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote in
<Xns9A49E5D8F3B94noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>:

>Pegleg <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in
>news:0b4nr3pdai3d5s2fvunf20l9uhmb1taaid@4ax.com :
>
>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:37:38 -0800 (PST), 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>The GSM deal is better than Verizon's.

>>
>> But T-Mobile's service sucks big time!

>
>On Verizon, you have to look carefully at the offer.......
>
>Unlimited voice....................................and data.
>
>It doesn't say unlimited DATA....See?


Actually it does -- what the Verizon website says for Nationwide
Premium:

UNLIMITED MESSAGING, VZ NAVIGATOR, MOBILE EMAIL, AND V CAST VPAK PLUS
UNLIMITED MEGABYTES FOR MOBILE WEB 2.0 AND GET IT NOW! ON SELECT
VERIZON WIRELESS PHONES.

>It would be fun to test "unlimited data" on Verizon, again, though in
>conjuction with the NY State Attorney General's office, just to see their
>faces. We'll use AG Cuomo's Aircard....(c;


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difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford

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Old 02-20-2008, 03:31 AM
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Default Re: Unlimited voice AND data for only $99 come to a GSM network starting 2/21/08

John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> amazed us all with the following
in news:c59nr3dt0sem60m7m8s7ln25fb2kad3daa@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:30:18 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote in
> <Xns9A49E5D8F3B94noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>:
>
>>Pegleg <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in
>>news:0b4nr3pdai3d5s2fvunf20l9uhmb1taaid@4ax.co m:
>>
>>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:37:38 -0800 (PST), 4phun
>>> <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The GSM deal is better than Verizon's.
>>>
>>> But T-Mobile's service sucks big time!

>>
>>On Verizon, you have to look carefully at the offer.......
>>
>>Unlimited voice....................................and data.
>>
>>It doesn't say unlimited DATA....See?

>
> Actually it does -- what the Verizon website says for Nationwide
> Premium:
>
> UNLIMITED MESSAGING, VZ NAVIGATOR, MOBILE EMAIL, AND V CAST VPAK
> PLUS UNLIMITED MEGABYTES FOR MOBILE WEB 2.0 AND GET IT NOW! ON
> SELECT VERIZON WIRELESS PHONES.



Really?


http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...aa1ae121c9dbfe
9c453a848.htm

"Three hours later, T-Mobile followed suit, saying it would introduce a
$99.99 plan on Thursday. Unlike the Verizon Wireless and AT&T plans, T-
Mobile's includes unlimited text and picture messaging, which costs $14.99
per month when added to other T-Mobile plans."

>
>>It would be fun to test "unlimited data" on Verizon, again, though in
>>conjuction with the NY State Attorney General's office, just to see
>>their faces. We'll use AG Cuomo's Aircard....(c;

>



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Old 02-20-2008, 03:38 AM
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:31:25 -0600, The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote in
<Xns9A49DAF38664bob@216.196.97.136>:

>John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> amazed us all with the following
>in news:c59nr3dt0sem60m7m8s7ln25fb2kad3daa@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:30:18 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote in
>> <Xns9A49E5D8F3B94noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>:


>>>On Verizon, you have to look carefully at the offer.......
>>>
>>>Unlimited voice....................................and data.
>>>
>>>It doesn't say unlimited DATA....See?

>>
>> Actually it does -- what the Verizon website says for Nationwide
>> Premium:
>>
>> UNLIMITED MESSAGING, VZ NAVIGATOR, MOBILE EMAIL, AND V CAST VPAK
>> PLUS UNLIMITED MEGABYTES FOR MOBILE WEB 2.0 AND GET IT NOW! ON
>> SELECT VERIZON WIRELESS PHONES.

>
>Really?


Really. Go to
<http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=planFirst&action=viewPlanList&sort Option=priceSort&typeId=1&subTypeId=44&catId=929>
and enter an appropriate ZIP code.

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Old 02-20-2008, 06:58 AM
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On Feb 19, 11:02*pm, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:30:18 +0000, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote in
> <Xns9A49E5D8F3B94noonehome...@208.49.80.253>:
>
> >Pegleg <Peg...@usnavyret.mil> wrote in
> >news:0b4nr3pdai3d5s2fvunf20l9uhmb1taaid@4ax.com :

>
> >> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:37:38 -0800 (PST), 4phun <vic.hea...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:

>
> >>>The GSM deal is better than Verizon's.

>
> >> But T-Mobile's service sucks big time!

>
> >On Verizon, you have to look carefully at the offer.......

>
> >Unlimited voice....................................and data.

>
> >It doesn't say unlimited DATA....See?

>
> Actually it does -- what the Verizon website says for Nationwide
> Premium:
>
> * *UNLIMITED MESSAGING, VZ NAVIGATOR, MOBILE EMAIL, AND V CAST VPAK PLUS
> * *UNLIMITED MEGABYTES FOR MOBILE WEB 2.0 AND GET IT NOW! ON SELECT
> * *VERIZON WIRELESS PHONES.
>
> >It would be fun to test "unlimited data" on Verizon, again, though in
> >conjuction with the NY State Attorney General's office, just to see their
> >faces. *We'll use AG Cuomo's Aircard....(c;

>
> --
> Best regards,
> John Navas * * <http:/navasgroup.com>
>
> "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
> difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
> boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford


Wrong John, a discussion by analysists of yesterday's news mentioned
that Verizon's data is now tightly capped at one fo two levels. 50MB
or 5GB at two different price points. You do not get the 5GB at the
$99 price level!

T-Mo is a much bigger bang for the dollar than Verizon at $99!


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Old 02-20-2008, 07:07 AM
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:58:43 -0800 (PST), 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com>
wrote in
<71b1cb15-643f-4314-b08a-a64c395d580c@b29g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>:

>On Feb 19, 11:02*pm, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:


>> Actually it does -- what the Verizon website says for
>> Nationwide Premium:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> * *UNLIMITED MESSAGING, VZ NAVIGATOR, MOBILE EMAIL, AND V CAST VPAK PLUS
>> * *UNLIMITED MEGABYTES FOR MOBILE WEB 2.0 AND GET IT NOW! ON SELECT
>> * *VERIZON WIRELESS PHONES.


>Wrong John, a discussion by analysists of yesterday's news mentioned
>that Verizon's data is now tightly capped at one fo two levels. 50MB
>or 5GB at two different price points.


That's Broadband Connect, not Nationwide Premium.

>ou do not get the 5GB at the
>$99 price level!


I never said you did -- Nationwide Connect is $140.

>T-Mo is a much bigger bang for the dollar than Verizon at $99!


Depends on what you want/need both in terms of service and in terms of
coverage.

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difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford

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Old 02-20-2008, 01:56 PM
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4phun wrote:
> T-Mobile Offers Unlimited Plan, Too
> Phone Scoop posted Today, 4:35 PM by Eric M. Zeman
>
> Today T-Mobile also announced that it will offer subscribers an
> unlimited plan for $99 per month. T-Mobile's offering is the only plan
> announced today that includes both voice and messaging services at the
> $99 price point. The new plan will be available beginning February
> 21.
>
> from T-Mobile
>
> The GSM deal is better than Verizon's.


It's unlimited voice and messaging, not voice and data. You need to
understand the difference.

T-Mobile offers unlimited "voice and messaging" not data. Since they
don't have a data network in the U.S., they don't have to worry about
their network being overwhelmed.

Sprint is now the only carrier without an unlimited plan. If they really
want to trump the competition then they could offer a true unlimited
voice _and_ data plan. Unlikely since the reason AT&T and Verizon have
capped their data plans is because the 3G networks don't have sufficient
capacity for such plans. At $60/month for true unlimited data, a lot of
DSL users might be tempted to use 3G as their primary Internet connection.

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Old 02-20-2008, 02:02 PM
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In alt.cellular.attws SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> At $60/month for true unlimited data, a lot of
> DSL users might be tempted to use 3G as their primary Internet connection.


Nah ... latency is too poor for many applications. The pipe is quite
asymetric as well.

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Old 02-20-2008, 02:29 PM
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 06:56:03 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in <47bc3ed0$0$36411$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:

>4phun wrote:
>> T-Mobile Offers Unlimited Plan, Too
>> Phone Scoop posted Today, 4:35 PM by Eric M. Zeman
>>
>> Today T-Mobile also announced that it will offer subscribers an
>> unlimited plan for $99 per month. T-Mobile's offering is the only plan
>> announced today that includes both voice and messaging services at the
>> $99 price point. The new plan will be available beginning February
>> 21.
>>
>> from T-Mobile
>>
>> The GSM deal is better than Verizon's.

>
>It's unlimited voice and messaging, not voice and data. You need to
>understand the difference.
>
>T-Mobile offers unlimited "voice and messaging" not data. Since they
>don't have a data network in the U.S., they don't have to worry about
>their network being overwhelmed.


T-Mobile most certainly does have a data network in the USA.

>Sprint is now the only carrier without an unlimited plan.


Sprint actually has an unlimited plan in trial.

>If they really
>want to trump the competition then they could offer a true unlimited
>voice _and_ data plan. Unlikely since the reason AT&T and Verizon have
>capped their data plans is because the 3G networks don't have sufficient
>capacity for such plans.


Total nonsense.

>At $60/month for true unlimited data, a lot of
>DSL users might be tempted to use 3G as their primary Internet connection.


Such abuse is the reason for capping.

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Old 02-20-2008, 03:46 PM
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4phun wrote:
> T-Mobile Offers Unlimited Plan, Too
> Phone Scoop posted Today, 4:35 PM by Eric M. Zeman
>
> Today T-Mobile also announced that it will offer subscribers an
> unlimited plan for $99 per month. T-Mobile's offering is the only plan
> announced today that includes both voice and messaging services at the
> $99 price point. The new plan will be available beginning February
> 21.
>
> from T-Mobile
>
> The GSM deal is better than Verizon's.


Analysts say Sprint will offer unlimited voice and messaging for between
$60 and $80 in the next few weeks. If Sprint went one further, and
offered unlimited voice and (relatively) unlimited 3G data for $100,
that would really shake things up. What does Sprint have to lose at this
point?

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Old 02-20-2008, 04:02 PM
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:46:50 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in <47bc58c6$0$36374$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:

>4phun wrote:
>> T-Mobile Offers Unlimited Plan, Too
>> Phone Scoop posted Today, 4:35 PM by Eric M. Zeman
>>
>> Today T-Mobile also announced that it will offer subscribers an
>> unlimited plan for $99 per month. T-Mobile's offering is the only plan
>> announced today that includes both voice and messaging services at the
>> $99 price point. The new plan will be available beginning February
>> 21.
>>
>> from T-Mobile
>>
>> The GSM deal is better than Verizon's.

>
>Analysts say Sprint will offer unlimited voice and messaging for between
>$60 and $80 in the next few weeks.


Citation? Oh wait ... you almost never have any ... you mostly just
make stuff up.

>If Sprint went one further, and
>offered unlimited voice and (relatively) unlimited 3G data for $100,
>that would really shake things up. What does Sprint have to lose at this
>point?


It's ass. That would make no sense at all.

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Old 02-20-2008, 05:19 PM
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John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> writes:

> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:46:50 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote in <47bc58c6$0$36374$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>
>>4phun wrote:
>>> T-Mobile Offers Unlimited Plan, Too
>>> Phone Scoop posted Today, 4:35 PM by Eric M. Zeman
>>>
>>> Today T-Mobile also announced that it will offer subscribers an
>>> unlimited plan for $99 per month. T-Mobile's offering is the only plan
>>> announced today that includes both voice and messaging services at the
>>> $99 price point. The new plan will be available beginning February
>>> 21.
>>>
>>> from T-Mobile
>>>
>>> The GSM deal is better than Verizon's.

>>
>>Analysts say Sprint will offer unlimited voice and messaging for between
>>$60 and $80 in the next few weeks.

>
> Citation? Oh wait ... you almost never have any ... you mostly just
> make stuff up.


John, only you would set a followup to alt.cellular.cingular on a post
that has to do with multiple carriers pricing. :-)

As for a cite, anyone who visited news.cnet.com today would've tripped
over the headline:

http://www.news.com/Sprint-expected-...l?tag=nefd.top


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Old 02-20-2008, 05:34 PM
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John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
news:c59nr3dt0sem60m7m8s7ln25fb2kad3daa@4ax.com:

> UNLIMITED MEGABYTES FOR MOBILE WEB 2.0 AND GET IT NOW!


This says "unlimited megabytes" for WEB BROWSING and the monthly rental
products VZW sells over their SELLphones.....It does NOT say UNLIMITED DATA
to your FTP client, your Usenet Client, your streaming client you don't pay
them, specifically, to use.

By the way, unlimited DATA to a smartphone on Alltel is $10/mo, with no
funny business. EVDO to a computer over BT from a smartphone is $25/mo,
not $60/mo. It doesn't include unlimited voice during the weekdays, but
the phone plans all included unlimited N/W, unlimited M2M on Alltel. The
plans at HALF the $99/mo Verizon wants, include 5, 10 or 20 number MY
CIRCLE unlimited phone calls 24/7/365, effectively giving you the same
voice coverage to up to 20 numbers YOU can change any time on the
webpage....for about HALF the price Verizon wants. I don't have My Circle
on my cheap $39 regional plan, I have Skype Pro on EVDO. If I can't make
Alltel bitch at me with my Linux tablet streaming XRM TV:
http://75.126.100.178:8000/wrm-tv.nsv?refid=1
and getting my ass whipped, regularly, by the kids in online gaming the
tablet supports, none of you will either. Video and games pretty much max
out EVDO and eat the phone's battery pack pretty fast! I got 5 packs...(c;

Same ol' Verizon.....web browsing and email ONLY, everything else
forbidden.

And, of course:

"CONSENT TO MONITORING AND DISCLOSURE. We are under no obligation to
monitor the information or content available or transmitted through the
Services. You agree that We may monitor e-mails, communications, postings,
data or information periodically, in order to comply with any applicable
laws, regulations or other governmental orders, and/or to operate the
Services properly, or to protect Ourselves and You. We reserve the right to
delete, reject or eliminate, in whole or in part, any information available
or transmitted through the Services that We, in Our sole discretion,
believe is unacceptable or in violation of these Terms and Conditions.
Should You provide Us with information, including, but not limited to
feedback, data, answers, questions, comments, suggestions, plans, ideas or
the like, such information is deemed to be non-confidential, and We assume
no obligation to protect such information from disclosure. The submission
of such information to Us shall in no way prevent the purchase, manufacture
or use of similar products, services, plans and ideas by Us for any purpose
whatsoever. We are free to reproduce, use, disclose and distribute such
information to others without restriction. You agree that You shall have no
recourse against Us for alleged infringement or misappropriation in
connection with any information or materials submitted."

They are watching anyone using too many mega (not giga) bytes.....and
distributing it to anyone they choose...and you agree that's ok.

This new program is for the useless "internet" on the toyphones and NOT the
pseudo-broadband internet service offered for aircards and computer
connections, which goes unchanged. You're STILL not allowed to do anything
but EMAIL and WEB BROWSING on your COMPUTER connections to Verizon as
outlined in:
http://support.vzw.com/terms/product...nalaccess.html
Click on TERMS AND CONDITIONS and pick BROADBAND, which is totally
different legalese:

"DATA PLANS AND FEATURES
Prohibited Uses. While most common uses for Internet are permitted by your
Data Plan, there are certain uses that cause extreme network capacity
issues and interference with the network. These are not uses intended by
our Data Access plans and are therefore prohibited. Examples of prohibited
uses include the following: (i) server devices or host computer
applications, including, but not limited to, continuous Web camera posts or
broadcasts, automatic data feeds, automated machine-to-machine connections
or peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing; (ii) as a substitute or backup for
private lines or dedicated data connections; (iii) "auto-responders,"
"cancel-bots," or similar automated or manual routines which generate
excessive amounts of net traffic, or which disrupt net user groups or email
use by others; (iv) "spam" or unsolicited commercial or bulk email (or
activities that have the effect of facilitating unsolicited commercial
email or unsolicited bulk email); (v) any activity that adversely affects
the ability of other people or systems to use either Verizon Wireless
Services or other parties’ Internet-based resources, including "denial of
service" (DoS) attacks against another network host or individual user;
(vi) accessing, or attempting to access without authority, the accounts of
others, or to penetrate, or attempt to penetrate, security measures of
Verizon Wireless’ or another entity’s network or systems; or (vii) software
or other devices that maintain continuous active Internet connections when
a computer’s connection would otherwise be idle or any "keep alive"
functions, unless they adhere to Verizon Wireless’ data retry requirements,
which may be changed from time to time. This means, by way of example only,
that using these Data Plans or Features for P2P file-sharing services, web
broadcasting, or for the operation of servers, telemetry devices and/or
Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition devices is prohibited.

If usage exceeds 5 GB per line during any billing period, we reserve the
right to reduce throughput speeds of any application that would otherwise
exceed such speed to a maximum of approximately 200 Kbps. These speeds are
subject to change, in our reasonable discretion, in order to address
network issues. In order to assess your usage, you may obtain information
about your usage during a particular billing period, including during the
Return Period under your Worry Free Guarantee, through My Account or by
contacting Customer Service. These Data Plans or Features are for
individual use only and not for resale. We further reserve the right to
take measures to protect our network from harm, compromised capacity or
degradation in performance, any of which may impact permitted data flows.
Accordingly, we reserve the right to deny, modify or terminate service,
without notice, to anyone we believe is using Data Plans or Features in any
manner that adversely impacts our network or service levels, and we also
reserve the right to terminate service upon expiration of the Customer
Agreement term. We may, but are not required to, monitor your compliance,
or the compliance of other subscribers, with the terms, conditions, or
policies of the Customer Agreement.

Verizon Wireless Plans, Rate and Coverage Areas, rates, agreement
provisions, business practices, procedures and policies are subject to
change as specified in the Customer Agreement."

---------------------------------------------------------

BROADBAND INTERNET ON VERIZON IS LIMITED TO 5GB/MONTH AND RESTRICTED TO
EMAIL AND WEB BROWSING ONLY!

"Unlimited" continues to be non-existant to Verizon's computer customers.
Toyphone browsers that don't do anything and are not really software
installable have "unlimited" service because Verizon knows damned well you
couldn't get a phone browser to use 5GB if you played with it 24/7/31 days
a month! Nothing has really changed except you can talk to your girlfriend
during weekdays without using airtime for OVER DOUBLE THE PRICE...$99/mo.

Ok....now we'll hear the Navas Rebuttle, Your Honor....


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Old 02-20-2008, 06:00 PM
Larry
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4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:71b1cb15-643f-4314-b08a-
a64c395d580c@b29g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:

> T-Mo is a much bigger bang for the dollar than Verizon at $99!
>
>


Alltel's better than both of them.
700 mins, Unlimited M2M/N-W with the toys $40
UNLIMITED smartphone data $10

Total w/o taxes $50

700 min regional phone plan above $40
UNLIMITED Tethered to computer via
Bluetooth or USB $25

Total to your computer w/o VZW BS $65/mo

Streaming and gaming to the N800 Linux tablet ad nauseum doesn't seem to
bother them at all.... Their Megabyte counter on my bill maxes out at
99,999 Megabytes every month and noone complains....(c;

Alltel's footprint is huge in comparison.

If you get lots of mins on a regional phone plan, you can ADD nationwide
minutes for travel on vacation outside your area. $10 buys 100 minutes
with a 611 call before you leave or anytime during your vacation. You
don't have to pay roaming charges outside your area, and you don't have to
pay for nationwide coverage you rarely use at double the price the other
carriers charge.

My total bill with all the tax loads and charges is about $74/mo for great
phone coverage from MD to FL along the coast, NC/SC complete and into the
surrounding states of GA/TN/VA before I need national
coverage.....including really unlimited internet to my Linux tablet.

$100 my ass.....(c;



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Old 02-20-2008, 06:04 PM
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John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
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>>Wrong John, a discussion by analysists of yesterday's news mentioned
>>that Verizon's data is now tightly capped at one fo two levels. 50MB
>>or 5GB at two different price points.

>
> That's Broadband Connect, not Nationwide Premium.
>
>>ou do not get the 5GB at the
>>$99 price level!

>
> I never said you did -- Nationwide Connect is $140.
>
>>T-Mo is a much bigger bang for the dollar than Verizon at $99!

>
> Depends on what you want/need both in terms of service and in terms of
> coverage.
>
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>


John, this has nothing to do with Broadband to a laptop or computer. This
has to do with WEB 2.0 and email on a smartphone. Look at the webpages!
This plan has nothing to do with Verizon's 5GB aircard/tethered
webpage/email-only service to computers, which hasn't changed.....

WEB 2.0 is to the browsers on the smartphones....no storage, no installable
software, no non-Verizon, pay-per-use streaming/gaming.


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Old 02-20-2008, 06:10 PM
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Pegleg <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in
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> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:58:43 -0800 (PST), 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Wrong John, a discussion by analysists of yesterday's news mentioned
>>that Verizon's data is now tightly capped at one fo two levels. 50MB
>>or 5GB at two different price points. You do not get the 5GB at the
>>$99 price level!
>>
>>T-Mo is a much bigger bang for the dollar than Verizon at $99!

>
> Verizon's Data service continues to be WAY OVERPRICED! 50MB for
> $39.99...you have to be kidding!
>


Alltel - 1X to smartphones $10/mo extra
EVDO to tethered computers $25/mo extra

The bills all say MEGABYTES 99,999 when they come...too funny.

I'm watching XRM-TV videos on it, now:
http://75.126.100.178:8000/xrm-tv.nsv?refid=1
It even plays rolling down the highway at...er, ah....65.

If you buy 1X for your smartphone, it still tethers over BT or USB to your
computer, but you only get 1X speed for $10 if you're cheap...(c; Still no
MB limits...just less MBs/day...




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Old 02-20-2008, 06:17 PM
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John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
news:mebnr3tocpdq9qllsf5s5hf53i95ttr4fc@4ax.com:

> http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/s...planFirst&acti
> on=viewPlanList&sortOption=priceSort&typeId=1&subT ypeId=44&catId=929


Unlimited Text, Picture, Video & Instant Messaging
Mobile Email
VCAST VPak
VZ Navigator
Unlimited Mobile Web 2.0
Unlimited Night & Weekend Minutes
Unlimited National Calling
3-way calling
Voice Mail
Caller ID

Unlimited Mobile Web 2.0 is NOT UNLIMITED DATA FOR INTERNET!

http://products.vzw.com/index.aspx?id=news_web

http://products.vzw.com/index.aspx?i...ging_email_how

Mobile Web 2.0 puts a BROWSER ON SMALL SMARTPHONES and adds email support!

You got that confused with Broadband. Mobile Web runs on 1X on VZW!

Alltel's product is called Celltop....
http://www.mycelltop.com/#home
That Z6m is my tablet's new modem....(c;


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Old 02-20-2008, 06:40 PM
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:19:47 -0600, t@toddh.net (Todd H.) wrote in
<84d4qrfq2k@news.giganews.com>:

>As for a cite, anyone who visited news.cnet.com today would've tripped
>over the headline:


Thanks for the insult.

>http://www.news.com/Sprint-expected-...l?tag=nefd.top


Thanks for that.

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John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> writes:

> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:19:47 -0600, t@toddh.net (Todd H.) wrote in
> <84d4qrfq2k@news.giganews.com>:
>
>>As for a cite, anyone who visited news.cnet.com today would've tripped
>>over the headline:

>
> Thanks for the insult.


It wasn't meant as an insult, but rather criticism of criticism.

Why be a pain in the ass over a cite when a) you rarely give them
yourself, and b) one for this was exceedingly easy to find?"

>>http://www.news.com/Sprint-expected-...l?tag=nefd.top



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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:34:08 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote in
<Xns9A4A8AD821E3Enoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>:

>John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
>news:c59nr3dt0sem60m7m8s7ln25fb2kad3daa@4ax.com :
>
>> UNLIMITED MEGABYTES FOR MOBILE WEB 2.0 AND GET IT NOW!

>
>This says "unlimited megabytes" for WEB BROWSING and the monthly rental
>products VZW sells over their SELLphones.....It does NOT say UNLIMITED DATA
>to your FTP client, your Usenet Client, your streaming client you don't pay
>them, specifically, to use.


Right. It's for the cell phone, not for tethering a laptop.

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Old 02-20-2008, 07:17 PM
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:01:19 -0500, John Thompson
<jthompson@youcant.mail.com> wrote in
<jthompson-A6872B.13011920022008@nntp4.usenetserver.com>:

>In article <36nor39bh5l4r4ahh2nvo877v889u1rmor@4ax.com>,
> John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> Citation? Oh wait ... you almost never have any ... you mostly just
>> make stuff up.

>
>John, you should really stop posting while you're looking in the mirror.


John, you should really learn some manners.

>While we're on the subject, can you provide references to extended GSM
>that you were harping about?


Been there; done that. "Google is your friend."

>And can we see a picture of that phone you're using with extended GSM?


Sure. <http://www.geekz1.com/images/news/SonyEricssonGC82.jpg>

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:01:34 -0600, t@toddh.net (Todd H.) wrote in
<84skznv1lt@news.giganews.com>:

>John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:19:47 -0600, t@toddh.net (Todd H.) wrote in
>> <84d4qrfq2k@news.giganews.com>:
>>
>>>As for a cite, anyone who visited news.cnet.com today would've tripped
>>>over the headline:

>>
>> Thanks for the insult.

>
>It wasn't meant as an insult, but rather criticism of criticism.


It looked like an insult to me, and still does. I've been to several
news sites today, and didn't see anything on this until now. If I had,
then I would not have asked.

>Why be a pain in the ass over a cite when a) you rarely give them
>yourself,


In fact I probably post more links than anyone else here. I just don't
post them over and over.

and b) one for this was exceedingly easy to find?"

I'm not interested in a potential wild goose chase, having been sent on
too many of those already.

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Old 02-20-2008, 07:23 PM
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John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
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> http://www.geekz1.com/images/news/SonyEricssonGC82.jpg


Why does it say EDGE, not Extended GSM?


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Old 02-20-2008, 07:44 PM
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You ask why ? He is full of BS that's why.
He said a phone. Not a card. Once again John show's his Butt.


"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
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> John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
> news:8j2pr3dpcpm1kmahvnq33e5k89nks4g2hp@4ax.com:
>
>> http://www.geekz1.com/images/news/SonyEricssonGC82.jpg

>
> Why does it say EDGE, not Extended GSM?
>



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Todd H. wrote:
> John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:19:47 -0600, t@toddh.net (Todd H.) wrote in
>> <84d4qrfq2k@news.giganews.com>:
>>
>>> As for a cite, anyone who visited news.cnet.com today would've tripped
>>> over the headline:

>> Thanks for the insult.

>
> It wasn't meant as an insult, but rather criticism of criticism.
>
> Why be a pain in the ass over a cite when a) you rarely give them
> yourself, and b) one for this was exceedingly easy to find?"


For such a widely publicized and current news item I didn't see the need
to include a link, but "he who must not be named" isn't happy unless he
has something to complain about. Yet he rarely includes any citations on
anything he posts because when you make up stuff out of thin air it's
tough to find any citations to back you up.

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Old 02-20-2008, 08:57 PM
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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
On 2008-02-20, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> 700 mins, Unlimited M2M/N-W with the toys $40
> UNLIMITED smartphone data $10


That's great for people who use less than 700 minutes every month.

Some people need voice minutes. That plan would make no sense for me,
for example. I use 750-950, average, per month.






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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
On 2008-02-20, Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> They don't exist here.


Nor here; they don't get any closer to California than, roughly, the Grand
Canyon.

Plus, he's crowing about unlimited data... well, the voice minutes are
not unlimited, it's an apples/oranges comparison.


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Old 02-20-2008, 10:18 PM
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:17:24 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote in
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>John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
>news:mebnr3tocpdq9qllsf5s5hf53i95ttr4fc@4ax.com :
>
>> http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/s...planFirst&acti
>> on=viewPlanList&sortOption=priceSort&typeId=1&subT ypeId=44&catId=929

>
>Unlimited Text, Picture, Video & Instant Messaging
>Mobile Email
>VCAST VPak
>VZ Navigator
>Unlimited Mobile Web 2.0
>Unlimited Night & Weekend Minutes
>Unlimited National Calling
>3-way calling
>Voice Mail
>Caller ID
>
>Unlimited Mobile Web 2.0 is NOT UNLIMITED DATA FOR INTERNET!


For a handset it is.

>Mobile Web 2.0 puts a BROWSER ON SMALL SMARTPHONES and adds email support!


Yep.

>You got that confused with Broadband.


Nope.

>Mobile Web runs on 1X on VZW!


Nope. It runs on EV-DO where available if the handset supports it.

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