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Old 03-08-2008, 09:06 AM
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What the iPhone 2.0 Will Do
This June, Apple will release a major update to its iPhone software,
including new features for businesses and broad support for third-
party software. We examine exactly what this new update will mean to
you.
PC World
Saturday, March 8, 2008; 12:09 AM

Apple is readying significant enhancements to the software in its
iPhone handset for later this year. The company takes cues from both
the business and consumer worlds, finally letting third-party
developers in on the action to bring games, utilities, and other apps
to the phone.

These impending changes promise to radically transform the daily
experience for iPhone users. Based on what we've seen of Apple's
Microsoft Exchange integration and our first-hand look at the new
development kit, here's what you can expect to see when the upgrade
becomes available in June.

Read the long PC WORLD article here
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...030800055.html

Bottom line

"And if the App Store fills up quickly with cool tools and games,
yesterday's announcement may prove to be a major one, even for those
who have no interest in creating their own software. "



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Old 03-08-2008, 12:01 PM
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4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:009e2ef4-d467-4624-b3de-
f555740f19e1@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

> App Store


Nothing like having a BOX OFFICE in your pocket, et, Vic?

Pay, pay and pay more.....Hey, it's SELLular!

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Old 03-08-2008, 06:01 PM
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In article <Xns9A5B547AEEEDAnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:009e2ef4-d467-4624-b3de-
> f555740f19e1@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>
> > App Store

>
> Nothing like having a BOX OFFICE in your pocket, et, Vic?
>
> Pay, pay and pay more.....Hey, it's SELLular!


As noted earlier, the "store" will also include freeware. They will be
hosted by Apple at the "store" for no charge to the developer.

PS- Larry, You're going to have to find something else to hate. Your
creditability in these groups is very low and it is dropping with ever
troll you attempt.

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Old 03-08-2008, 06:43 PM
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"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
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>> App Store

>
> Nothing like having a BOX OFFICE in your pocket, et, Vic?
>
> Pay, pay and pay more.....Hey, it's SELLular!


And you've never said why that's a such bad thing, Larry? The availability
of paid downloadable content doesn't prevent DIY content from being used. I
look at DRM as a "best of both worlds" thing- you have access to both "free"
rip-it-yourself content, as well as purchasable content for convenience.

Frankly, while I rip a lot of kidvid DVDs to entertain my brood on trips
with various MP3/4 players and Pocket PCs, I've never seen much reason to
run, say, an hour long episode of Lost I've recorded on my DVR, through a
two-hour conversion process just to view it once on a 2.8" screen instead of
just watch it on TV- it's too much work. I might, however, pay a buck to
download/stream the same show or movie I missed already converted for mobile
use just for the convenience factor. I USE "Box Offices" occasionally at
the local Bijou. Having one in my pocket would be convenient. Look at the
(relative) success of Amazon's Kindle- a $400 device that let's you read $10
books. I'm sure you laugh hysterically at that since I'll wager every book
ever published since the Rosetta Stone is probably available at
alt.binaries.stolenbooks or whatever, but it offers a convenience factor
many of us are comfortable with paying for.

None of MY complaints about the iPhone have to do with it's ability to
support purchased content. Those are ADVANTAGES, not disadvantages. And I
have no problem with commercial software as long as the price is realistic.
I use a few excellent freeware programs on my PCs or WinMo phones, but the
vast majority of freeware is worth exactly what you pay for it. As long as
Apple has an authorized distribution method for 3rd party apps, more power
to them.

If I were a developer, I'd be happy to pay Apple their 30% (or whatever) cut
to have my work placed in the iTunes store. If that's the only official
source of iPhone software, what a coup that'll be for developers- no
screwing with online advertising and promotion, or trying to rig higher
placement on search engines, etc. Instead, for a commission, you get "shelf
space" on the one and only outlet for your type of product, right next to
the "big guys"? THAT'S a deal!






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Old 03-08-2008, 07:51 PM
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anon <anon@anon.com> wrote in news:anon-875E16.14013608032008
@news.giganews.com:

> They will be
> hosted by Apple at the "store" for no charge to the developer.
>


I'll believe that when I see it.....


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Old 03-08-2008, 08:14 PM
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"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
news:z%BAj.969$Ha5.60@fe089.usenetserver.com:

> And I
> have no problem with commercial software as long as the price is
> realistic.
>


Come on. You don't really like Jobs and Apple controlling and censoring
what you can get and what you can't. It's like Honda making a car you
MUST take back to the dealer to get the oil changed because HE is the
ONLY one with a "key" to drain and refill the engine. It's crazy! It's
stupid!

Some ATT bureaucrat says, "We think that app will use too much data from
our low speed system". It never shows up on App Store. This is about
CONTENT CONTROL and PROFITS.

Freeware my ***....not with Apple getting 30% of revenues....

I watched the video. I didn't see anyone offering freeware with the
money boys like Electronic Arts. Noone said, "There's going to be lots
of free software on App Store, neat stuff to make your iPhone really
cool."

Let's get the boys to port Abiword http://www.abisource.com/ to iPhone
for free under GNU and get it put in the App Store. Jobs wants to
attract business. Abiword is a full-featured word processor that does
amazing things on my little tablet and the WinXP, Mac and Linux boxes.

Let's get the boys to port Gnumeric to iPhone, too. Then iPhone will
have a nice free word processor AND a really monstrous spreadsheet app
to attract the businessmen. Gnumeric is free, too, of course.
http://www.gnome.org/projects/gnumeric/
Might as well get the database while they're here:
http://www.gnome-db.org/
All these being GNU open source, Apple's coders can add a really cool
accelerometer GUI to it or change anything they like about any aspect of
the code....all they must do is post the changes, free of charge, for
all to use. Hell, you can modify any of these, yourself. App Store can
distribute, share the ports of them to every iPhone owner.....free of
charge ONLY, of course, as stipulated in the GNU agreement.

Don't ever hold your breath this long.....(c;

Download Abiword for Windows or Mac and give it a freeware spin. Hell,
it's a better, faster, lots less bloatware WP than anything in Office
from either company!

But, what terrifies me is we are testing the waters, yet again, where
hardware and software corporations CONTROL what you can do on YOUR
computer....this time without a hardware dongle....or remotely-stored
JAVA app. We want you to buy it so we can rent it to you....



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Old 03-08-2008, 08:25 PM
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In article <Xns9A5BA6173EE55noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry
<noone@home.com> wrote:

> "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
> news:z%BAj.969$Ha5.60@fe089.usenetserver.com:
>
> > And I
> > have no problem with commercial software as long as the price is
> > realistic.

>
> Come on. You don't really like Jobs and Apple controlling and censoring
> what you can get and what you can't.

<snip>

There will of course be LOTS of "unofficial" stuff on the Internet as
well (there already is). Apple's website will simply have what they
consider is the best, just like their website already does with icons,
Dashboard widgets, etc.

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Old 03-08-2008, 09:34 PM
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On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 21:51:22 +0100, Larry wrote
(in article <Xns9A5BA20FD857Bnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>):

> anon <anon@anon.com> wrote in news:anon-875E16.14013608032008
> @news.giganews.com:
>
>> They will be
>> hosted by Apple at the "store" for no charge to the developer.
>>

>
> I'll believe that when I see it.....
>


You better start believing it since it has been explicitly told.



--
A Mac a day, keeps the Trojan away.


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Old 03-08-2008, 09:56 PM
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"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
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>> And I
>> have no problem with commercial software as long as the price is
>> realistic.
>>

>
> Come on. You don't really like Jobs and Apple controlling and censoring
> what you can get and what you can't. It's like Honda making a car you
> MUST take back to the dealer to get the oil changed because HE is the
> ONLY one with a "key" to drain and refill the engine. It's crazy! It's
> stupid!


Nobody changed the rules mid-game- you liken the iPhone to WebTV, I liken it
to a Nintendo or a Playstation- 3rd party hardware and software only through
"official" channels. There are plenty of other products to buy if you don't
like Apple's way- and you and I have some of them. I look at it like an
experiment- I've seen what "open" gives you- lots of mediocre options that
frankly give the OS a bad rep. Everyone loves knocking WinMo because it's
"flakey" and "unstable." Guess what- if you never add any apps and stick to
what it comes with out of the box, WinMo is neither flakey nor unstable.
It's the 3rd-party apps from the school of "anyone with a pulse can code for
WinMo" that leads to instability, lockups and crashes. While _I_ don't
mind- I prefer the flexibility it gives me, and gladly trade a little
stability for it, I understand the other side- "typical" users don't want to
deal with crashes, lockups, etc. Apple's system- while not one I'd choose
to use myself- is a perfectly legitimate one. If you don't like it, says
Apple, don't buy an iPhone.

> Some ATT bureaucrat says, "We think that app will use too much data from
> our low speed system". It never shows up on App Store. This is about
> CONTENT CONTROL and PROFITS.


So? Do you think your setup is different? Sure, your tablet is
""uncrippled," but what happens on the day when Alltel decides $25 is too
cheap to allow tethered devices because of some "abusers" like yourself, and
goes to a Sprint/Verizon like pricing structure and starts whacking
customers $25 extra for tethering? The "openness" of the device becomes
immaterial at that point- the "network" still makes the rules.

> Freeware my ***....not with Apple getting 30% of revenues....


Well, 30% of zero is zero, isn't it? In reality, I suspect that perhaps
even freeware might carry an inconsequential "convenience fee" for
downloading, if only to cover the cost of Apple's "approval" process,
whatever it may be.


> I watched the video. I didn't see anyone offering freeware with the
> money boys like Electronic Arts. Noone said, "There's going to be lots
> of free software on App Store, neat stuff to make your iPhone really
> cool."


Apple gave the SDK early to it's leading commercial software partners for
them to show off their wares- not to guys working out of their basements.

> Let's get the boys to port Abiword http://www.abisource.com/ to iPhone
> for free under GNU and get it put in the App Store. Jobs wants to
> attract business. Abiword is a full-featured word processor that does
> amazing things on my little tablet and the WinXP, Mac and Linux boxes.


Or, considering the device's foray into business, perhaps commercial
projects like MS Office Mobile or DataViz' Docs-to-Go might be more
appropriate. The business world isn't running open source as a rule- they
want/need someone to yell at when things don't work.

> Download Abiword for Windows or Mac and give it a freeware spin. Hell,
> it's a better, faster, lots less bloatware WP than anything in Office
> from either company!


I use Office. Thanks, anyway. I like my bugs documented! ;-)


> But, what terrifies me is we are testing the waters, yet again, where
> hardware and software corporations CONTROL what you can do on YOUR
> computer....this time without a hardware dongle....or remotely-stored
> JAVA app. We want you to buy it so we can rent it to you....


Except the iPhone isn't a computer. It's a "Smartphone for Dummies" (don't
take that the wrong way- Oxford! I mean a Smartphone ostensibly designed to
be as easy to setup, use, and update as an iPod.) Again, it's not my cup of
tea, but all things aren't for all people. Despite your glowing reviews of
the N800, for example, it sounds like a lot of work- and I say that as a
WinMo guy! We supposedly spend as much time tweaking as we do working! (In
reality it's more like 10/90 than 50/50!) ;-)

So, why not a closed system? Let the market try it for a year or two and
see what happens to market share between "closed" and "open."







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Old 03-08-2008, 10:16 PM
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In article <0001HW.C3F8D30A00605DC1B01AD9AF@news.individual.n et>, MrMac
<mrmac@invalid.mail> wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 21:51:22 +0100, Larry wrote
> (in article <Xns9A5BA20FD857Bnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>):
>
> > anon <anon@anon.com> wrote in news:anon-875E16.14013608032008
> > @news.giganews.com:
> >
> >> They will be
> >> hosted by Apple at the "store" for no charge to the developer.
> >>

> >
> > I'll believe that when I see it.....
> >

>
> You better start believing it since it has been explicitly told.


Unfortunately what is "explicity told" today can easily be changed
tomorrow ... "Mac.com address free for life" springs immediately to
mind, but nobody said it was for the very short life of "Mac.com"
itself which they killed and changed it to ".Mac" so they could charge
for it. :-(

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Old 03-09-2008, 12:16 AM
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Anybody <anybody@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in news:090320081025554035%
anybody@anywhere-anytime.com:

> There will of course be LOTS of "unofficial" stuff on the Internet as
> well (there already is). Apple's website will simply have what they
> consider is the best, just like their website already does with icons,
> Dashboard widgets, etc.
>
>


You're NOT gonna download any old freeware into an uncracked iPhone from
"stuff off the internet"! The ONLY way to get it to the phone is App STORE
and for that you must FIRST pay Jobs $99 just to apply.

I'm talking about software the iPhone RUNS, not some WebTV app that's
already running for the browser to call.


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Old 03-09-2008, 12:20 AM
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"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
news:NQEAj.1671$Gd7.1505@fe115.usenetserver.com:

> So? Do you think your setup is different? Sure, your tablet is
> ""uncrippled," but what happens on the day when Alltel decides $25 is
> too cheap to allow tethered devices because of some "abusers" like
> yourself, and goes to a Sprint/Verizon like pricing structure and
> starts whacking customers $25 extra for tethering? The "openness" of
> the device becomes immaterial at that point- the "network" still makes
> the rules.
>
>


I didn't compare it to the tablets because there is no comparison. The
tablets are NOT controlled by a Sellphone company. Alltel has no control
over my Linux tablet, whatsoever. I'm free to BT that tablet to any phone
on any system. Of course, most of the time the tablet is on wifi, where
the bandwidth is. The tablet ISN'T "uncrippled" because there's no
Sellphone carrier involved in the first place. Apples to oranges....er,
ah, let me rephrase that....(c;

As it's NOT part of "the network", it cares less what network it's on. It
only connects to Alltel via BT to the MotoROKR Z6m as a last resort,
usually for streaming and maemo mapper mosaics on the road.


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