Why is the iphone going to be offered by Cingular only? I understand that
Verizon is the number-one cell phone service provider both for superb
coverage and high-speed data. Why would Steve Jobs choose Cingular? If I
were Steve Jobs, I would want to release my iphone an the best network and
according to all reviews, that is undeniably Verizon.
"Moustaffa Moustamegwomfa" <Moustaffa@Moustamegwomfa.com> wrote in message
news:Hqlfi.470643$115.448101@newsfe10.phx...
> Why is the iphone going to be offered by Cingular only? I understand that
> Verizon is the number-one cell phone service provider both for superb
> coverage and high-speed data. Why would Steve Jobs choose Cingular? If I
> were Steve Jobs, I would want to release my iphone an the best network and
> according to all reviews, that is undeniably Verizon.
If I were Steve Jobs, I would go with the company that offered me the most
money. And he did.
But you know how verizon cripples there phones and there would be no way
apple could sell these under verizon.
What ever is down the road for verizon that is going to compare to the
iphone is anyone's guess. But with all the things verizon does not allow,
what good is it?
"Moustaffa Moustamegwomfa" <Moustaffa@Moustamegwomfa.com> wrote in message
news:Hqlfi.470643$115.448101@newsfe10.phx...
> Why is the iphone going to be offered by Cingular only? I understand that
> Verizon is the number-one cell phone service provider both for superb
> coverage and high-speed data. Why would Steve Jobs choose Cingular? If I
> were Steve Jobs, I would want to release my iphone an the best network and
> according to all reviews, that is undeniably Verizon.
>
>
>
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:21:11 -0700, "Moustaffa Moustamegwomfa"
<Moustaffa@Moustamegwomfa.com> wrote:
>Why would Steve Jobs choose Cingular?
I'll speculate that this decision was at least in part influenced by
the lack of disparity in service/coverage between Verizon and Cingular
in California. They're roughly equal in most areas.
Contrast that with the East Coast, where Verizon is clearly superior
in most areas.
The Stinkular factor is the one and only reason I'll probably never
own this phone.
Actually, you're all incorrect. If you had followed this you would know
that the reason Apple chose Cingular is that Verizon refused to give
Apple total control of the content. Apple wants to make money not only
selling the iPhone, but selling you content. Verizon said no. Cingular
said yes (presumably for enough money).
Agent_C <Agent-C-hates-spam@nyc.rr.com> wrote in
news:51ss731uqjos12t4il4mnsbk0c0mcc0bks@4ax.com:
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:21:11 -0700, "Moustaffa Moustamegwomfa"
> <Moustaffa@Moustamegwomfa.com> wrote:
>
>>Why would Steve Jobs choose Cingular?
>
> I'll speculate that this decision was at least in part influenced by
> the lack of disparity in service/coverage between Verizon and Cingular
> in California. They're roughly equal in most areas.
>
> Contrast that with the East Coast, where Verizon is clearly superior
> in most areas.
>
> The Stinkular factor is the one and only reason I'll probably never
> own this phone.
>
> A_C
"Moustaffa Moustamegwomfa" <Moustaffa@Moustamegwomfa.com> wrote in message
news:Hqlfi.470643$115.448101@newsfe10.phx...
> Why is the iphone going to be offered by Cingular only? I understand that
> Verizon is the number-one cell phone service provider both for superb
> coverage and high-speed data. Why would Steve Jobs choose Cingular? If I
> were Steve Jobs, I would want to release my iphone an the best network and
> according to all reviews, that is undeniably Verizon.
>
>
I suspect that money was the reason (Apple gave ATT an exclusive 5-year
deal). Although their total number of customers is about equal, Verizon is
considered by most to be the superior network with better coverage and
support in many areas (mine, for example) and many, many more long-term
contracts than ATT. I don't see this changing until Verizon starts losing
customers to ATT due to more versatile phones (fully functional, not
crippled), more and less expensive plan choices, and other technological
advances. Both Europe and Asia are well ahead of the US...again, I suspect
the reason is money. Got to keep those well-paid executives and
stockholders happy.
Moustaffa Moustamegwomfa wrote:
> Why is the iphone going to be offered by Cingular only? I understand that
> Verizon is the number-one cell phone service provider both for superb
> coverage and high-speed data. Why would Steve Jobs choose Cingular? If I
> were Steve Jobs, I would want to release my iphone an the best network and
> according to all reviews, that is undeniably Verizon.
>
>
>
"Pegleg" <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:26:37 -0700, "stevev" <stevev@addlebrain.com>
> wrote:
>>I suspect that money was the reason (Apple gave ATT an exclusive 5-year
>>deal). Although their total number of customers is about equal, Verizon
>>is
>>considered by most to be the superior network with better coverage and
>>support in many areas (mine, for example) and many, many more long-term
>>contracts than ATT. I don't see this changing until Verizon starts losing
>>customers to ATT due to more versatile phones (fully functional, not
>>crippled), more and less expensive plan choices, and other technological
>>advances. Both Europe and Asia are well ahead of the US...again, I
>>suspect
>>the reason is money. Got to keep those well-paid executives and
>>stockholders happy.
>
> I've been a long time Verizon customer due to their coverage and I think
> they know people will stay with them because of their coverage,
> especially if you travel much. Their prices suck, their hardware
> crippling policy sucks, on the whole their phones suck but their
> coverage is the best overall.
>
> Maybe if they start losing subscribers they will change some things but
> I'm not holding my breath.
> -
>
> Pegleg
> U.S. Navy Retired
> Support Our Troops,
> Question The Policy!
>
> All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words:
> freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope.
> Sir Winston Churchill
And let's not forget the other Verizon Exclusive (Screw Me Now)
Gotta love em.
Al
Yup, they have been able to sustain their business model - crippled phones,
lack of flexibility, costly extras - because their network was better (it
certainly is in my area). Remains to be seen if this will change with the
iPhone. It does have an impressive list of functions in a single device.
Shortly we will know if they are worth it, or even if they work. AT&T
claims that 40% of people expressing interest in the iPhone are NOT
currently AT&T customers. If large numbers of subscribers switch to AT&T
from other carriers, Verizon (and the others) will have to respond or
continue losing customers. Seems to me it will be good for the customer no
matter what, assuming the total cost isn't prohibitive.
"Al Bundy" <johnjr173@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Pegleg" <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in message
> news:bk9t73dsg7m74p46c25rki8ci3pa62ck61@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:26:37 -0700, "stevev" <stevev@addlebrain.com>
>> wrote:
>>>I suspect that money was the reason (Apple gave ATT an exclusive 5-year
>>>deal). Although their total number of customers is about equal, Verizon
>>>is
>>>considered by most to be the superior network with better coverage and
>>>support in many areas (mine, for example) and many, many more long-term
>>>contracts than ATT. I don't see this changing until Verizon starts
>>>losing
>>>customers to ATT due to more versatile phones (fully functional, not
>>>crippled), more and less expensive plan choices, and other technological
>>>advances. Both Europe and Asia are well ahead of the US...again, I
>>>suspect
>>>the reason is money. Got to keep those well-paid executives and
>>>stockholders happy.
>>
>> I've been a long time Verizon customer due to their coverage and I think
>> they know people will stay with them because of their coverage,
>> especially if you travel much. Their prices suck, their hardware
>> crippling policy sucks, on the whole their phones suck but their
>> coverage is the best overall.
>>
>> Maybe if they start losing subscribers they will change some things but
>> I'm not holding my breath.
>> -
>>
>> Pegleg
>> U.S. Navy Retired
>> Support Our Troops,
>> Question The Policy!
>>
>> All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words:
>> freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope.
>> Sir Winston Churchill
>
> And let's not forget the other Verizon Exclusive (Screw Me Now)
> Gotta love em.
> Al
>
"stevev" <stevev@addlebrain.com> wrote in
news:CNEfi.35480$Um6.9662@newssvr12.news.prodigy.n et:
> Verizon (and the others) will have to respond or
> continue losing customers. Seems to me it will be good for the
> customer no matter what, assuming the total cost isn't prohibitive.
>
>
The iPhone's ability to connect to any wifi it finds, bypassing Verizon,
entirely, will never be sold by Verizon unless those features are turned
off. I was amazed to see how many PDAs Alltel sells that will connect to
any wifi that's open or you have a WEP code for.
Agent_C wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:21:11 -0700, "Moustaffa Moustamegwomfa"
> <Moustaffa@Moustamegwomfa.com> wrote:
>
>> Why would Steve Jobs choose Cingular?
>
> I'll speculate that this decision was at least in part influenced by
> the lack of disparity in service/coverage between Verizon and Cingular
> in California. They're roughly equal in most areas.
Hardly. In the urban parts of the urban counties, they are roughly
equal. But go to a rural part of an urban county, and the differences
are significant. These differences are reflected in all the independent
surveys.
If the other Steve founder of Apple, Wozniak, had been consulted, he
would have confirmed this. He actually moved because he couldn't get GSM
coverage in the rural part of Los Gatos where he lived!
In any case, according to all reports, Apple did approach Verizon first,
and Verizon wasn't interested due to the terms that Apple wanted.
Verizon, with it's significantly higher numbers of net additions, could
afford to be choosy.
It goes further than that however. It's also CDMA's superiority over GSM
in terms of coverage, something I experienced several times in the past
week up in some rural areas of Southern Oregon. For whatever reason, the
CDMA carriers in that area have done a very good job of coverage in the
rural areas, while the GSM carriers have not.
> Contrast that with the East Coast, where Verizon is clearly superior
> in most areas.
I've experienced the exact opposite. While Verizon also tops Cingular in
every survey of east coast urban areas, I've not experienced the large
areas of "no-coverage" that exist with Cingular in places like the Bay
Area of California. I attributed it to the more dense demographics of
the Atlantic Seaboard, and Southeast.
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stevev wrote:
> Yup, they have been able to sustain their business model - crippled phones,
> lack of flexibility, costly extras - because their network was better (it
> certainly is in my area). Remains to be seen if this will change with the
> iPhone. It does have an impressive list of functions in a single device.
> Shortly we will know if they are worth it, or even if they work. AT&T
> claims that 40% of people expressing interest in the iPhone are NOT
> currently AT&T customers. If large numbers of subscribers switch to AT&T
> from other carriers, Verizon (and the others) will have to respond or
> continue losing customers. Seems to me it will be good for the customer no
> matter what, assuming the total cost isn't prohibitive.
It'll be hard for Verizon to respond. Certainly they could offer a phone
with similar features, including WiFi, and they almost certainly will do
so. But it won't have the branding advantage of the iPhone, nor will it
have the accessory selection.
> The iPhone's ability to connect to any wifi it finds, bypassing
Verizon,
> entirely, will never be sold by Verizon unless those features are
turned
> off.
Um, the Verizon PPC phone (XV-6700) is a Windows Mobile phone with Wi-Fi.
It connects to any open Wi-Fi network.
> I was amazed to see how many PDAs Alltel sells that will connect to
> any wifi that's open or you have a WEP code for.
So will Verizon's, Sprint's, Cingular's, T-Mo's, etc.
Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 25 Jun 2007 04:06:17 +0000 Larry wrote:
>
>> The iPhone's ability to connect to any wifi it finds, bypassing
> Verizon,
>> entirely, will never be sold by Verizon unless those features are
> turned
>> off.
>
>
> Um, the Verizon PPC phone (XV-6700) is a Windows Mobile phone with Wi-Fi.
> It connects to any open Wi-Fi network.
Yeah, and it's made by HTC which is making the HTC Touch, which is their
iPhone competitor, and is more fully featured than the iPhone. No doubt
there will be a CDMA version of the HTC Touch, though practically
speaking the slide out keyboard on the XV-6700 is more useful for stuff
like e-mail and text messaging than a touch screen.
The big advantage of the HTC Touch is that it's a full PDA and an open
architecture design, running an OS that has an SDK and thousands of
applications. This probably doesn't matter to the typical iPhone user,
who's not using the device for anything other than the phone, web
browser, and music player, but it matters a lot in the corporate
environment.
In article <3Xwfi.7045$bP5.3653@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net> ,
"stevev" <stevev@addlebrain.com> wrote:
> "Moustaffa Moustamegwomfa" <Moustaffa@Moustamegwomfa.com> wrote in message
> news:Hqlfi.470643$115.448101@newsfe10.phx...
> > Why is the iphone going to be offered by Cingular only? I understand that
> > Verizon is the number-one cell phone service provider both for superb
> > coverage and high-speed data. Why would Steve Jobs choose Cingular? If I
> > were Steve Jobs, I would want to release my iphone an the best network and
> > according to all reviews, that is undeniably Verizon.
> >
> >
> I suspect that money was the reason (Apple gave ATT an exclusive 5-year
> deal). Although their total number of customers is about equal, Verizon is
> considered by most to be the superior network with better coverage and
> support in many areas (mine, for example) and many, many more long-term
> contracts than ATT. I don't see this changing until Verizon starts losing
> customers to ATT due to more versatile phones (fully functional, not
> crippled), more and less expensive plan choices, and other technological
> advances. Both Europe and Asia are well ahead of the US...again, I suspect
> the reason is money. Got to keep those well-paid executives and
> stockholders happy.
Jobs is no fool. He's not going to try and save a few bucks going in for
a project that requires long term viablity.
I guarantee Apple crossed their ts and dotted their is on this project.
I think hacing Apple oversee this ATT endevour will shape ATT up pretty
fast.
In article <467fd505$0$27219$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Todd Allcock wrote:
> > At 25 Jun 2007 04:06:17 +0000 Larry wrote:
> >
> >> The iPhone's ability to connect to any wifi it finds, bypassing
> > Verizon,
> >> entirely, will never be sold by Verizon unless those features are
> > turned
> >> off.
> >
> >
> > Um, the Verizon PPC phone (XV-6700) is a Windows Mobile phone with Wi-Fi.
> > It connects to any open Wi-Fi network.
>
> Yeah, and it's made by HTC which is making the HTC Touch, which is their
> iPhone competitor, and is more fully featured than the iPhone. No doubt
> there will be a CDMA version of the HTC Touch, though practically
> speaking the slide out keyboard on the XV-6700 is more useful for stuff
> like e-mail and text messaging than a touch screen.
>
> The big advantage of the HTC Touch is that it's a full PDA and an open
> architecture design, running an OS that has an SDK and thousands of
> applications. This probably doesn't matter to the typical iPhone user,
> who's not using the device for anything other than the phone, web
> browser, and music player, but it matters a lot in the corporate
> environment.
>
> Of course HTC can't match the Apple branding.
What you all don't realize that it's not about the branding as it is
about making a multi-function phone that everyone can easily figure out
how to use.
This is where every other phone mfr has fallen flat on their faces.
The HTC will basically only appeal to techies, as will all the other
similar phones out there.
It's been long overdue for a major player to raise the bar.
In article <467debc2$0$503$815e3792@news.qwest.net>,
"Kevin" <webman6@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Moustaffa Moustamegwomfa" <Moustaffa@Moustamegwomfa.com> wrote in message
> news:Hqlfi.470643$115.448101@newsfe10.phx...
> > Why is the iphone going to be offered by Cingular only? I understand that
> > Verizon is the number-one cell phone service provider both for superb
> > coverage and high-speed data. Why would Steve Jobs choose Cingular? If I
> > were Steve Jobs, I would want to release my iphone an the best network and
> > according to all reviews, that is undeniably Verizon.
>
> If I were Steve Jobs, I would go with the company that offered me the most
> money. And he did.
Wake up.
Apple is doing well.
Jobs is smart. He would never jeopardize a long term project like this
simply to save a couple bucks on the front end.
In article <Hqlfi.470643$115.448101@newsfe10.phx>,
"Moustaffa Moustamegwomfa" <Moustaffa@Moustamegwomfa.com> wrote:
> Why is the iphone going to be offered by Cingular only? I understand that
> Verizon is the number-one cell phone service provider both for superb
> coverage and high-speed data. Why would Steve Jobs choose Cingular? If I
> were Steve Jobs, I would want to release my iphone an the best network and
> according to all reviews, that is undeniably Verizon.
Hmmm. Could it be that the iPhone is quad-band GSM and there are more
GSM phones in the world than there are Verizon phones that run on their
specific flavour of CDMA?
Also that Cingular/ATT would probably NOT cripple the phone's bluetooth
abilities and NOT insist that the wi-fi be taken off...
Yazzan Gable wrote:
> In article <Hqlfi.470643$115.448101@newsfe10.phx>,
> "Moustaffa Moustamegwomfa" <Moustaffa@Moustamegwomfa.com> wrote:
>
>> Why is the iphone going to be offered by Cingular only? I understand that
>> Verizon is the number-one cell phone service provider both for superb
>> coverage and high-speed data. Why would Steve Jobs choose Cingular? If I
>> were Steve Jobs, I would want to release my iphone an the best network and
>> according to all reviews, that is undeniably Verizon.
>
>
> Hmmm. Could it be that the iPhone is quad-band GSM and there are more
> GSM phones in the world than there are Verizon phones that run on their
> specific flavour of CDMA?
No. Apple knew that when it approached Verizon prior to approaching
Cingular.
> Also that Cingular/ATT would probably NOT cripple the phone's bluetooth
> abilities and NOT insist that the wi-fi be taken off...
LOL, yeah that's a real possibility.
One thing I don't like about the iPhone is that the SIM card is
non-removable. If you're traveling overseas you can't stick in a prepaid
SIM card, you have to roam internationally, at considerable cost.
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"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> Yazzan Gable wrote:
>> In article <Hqlfi.470643$115.448101@newsfe10.phx>,
>> "Moustaffa Moustamegwomfa" <Moustaffa@Moustamegwomfa.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Why is the iphone going to be offered by Cingular only? I understand
>>> that Verizon is the number-one cell phone service provider both for
>>> superb coverage and high-speed data. Why would Steve Jobs choose
>>> Cingular? If I were Steve Jobs, I would want to release my iphone an the
>>> best network and according to all reviews, that is undeniably Verizon.
Sprint has better data speeds, but yeah they have good coverage.
>> Hmmm. Could it be that the iPhone is quad-band GSM and there are more
>> GSM phones in the world than there are Verizon phones that run on their
> No. Apple knew that when it approached Verizon prior to approaching
> Cingular.
Yeah far more gsm in the world.
>> Also that Cingular/ATT would probably NOT cripple the phone's bluetooth
>> abilities and NOT insist that the wi-fi be taken off...
thats because you can use any unlocked gsm phones on AT&T (Cingular)'s
network as long as it supports
its frequencies.
> LOL, yeah that's a real possibility.
>
> One thing I don't like about the iPhone is that the SIM card is
> non-removable. If you're traveling overseas you can't stick in a prepaid
> SIM card, you have to roam internationally, at considerable cost.
It has a sim card tray. And I'm sure there will be hacks out rather quickly
that will unlock the iphone, and there's nothing Apple can do about it.
Usually but I'm sure not with the iphone, AT&T will provide unlock codes 90
days after service starts. There is no law that prevents you from unlocking
any
phone, its a DMCA exemption.
Unless you are dying for the iphone, and I admit its nice, I would wait abit
before getting one. My kids Samsung Sync's on AT&T do most of what the
iphone
does with out alot of the pizzazz and it is 3g hsdpa, and has stereo
bluetooth, but no wifi. And they were almost free.
> does with out alot of the pizzazz and it is 3g hsdpa, and has stereo
> bluetooth, but no wifi. And they were almost free.
The next version of the iPhone will almost certainly have 3G. It was
rather amusing to read one reviewers comment about using the iPhone on
AT&T's EDGE network:
"David Pogue of the New York Times called AT&T's EDGE network
"excruciatingly slow." "You almost ache for a dial-up modem," he said."
Of course it's not AT&T's fault that Apple didn't put HSDPA into the
iPhone. I think one of the reasons that Apple approached Verizon first
was because the Verizon EV-DO network has far more coverage than the
AT&T HSDPA network. Apple may have been reluctant to include HSDPA on
the iPhone because of fears of complaints from users that they couldn't
get an HSDPA connection. Or it may have been a compromise to be able to
differentiate service plans, and offer lower cost plans for the iPhone
than are offered for the HSDPA network.
> was because the Verizon EV-DO network has far more coverage than the
> AT&T HSDPA network. Apple may have been reluctant to include HSDPA on the
> iPhone because of fears of complaints from users that they couldn't get an
> HSDPA connection. Or it may have been a compromise to be able to
> differentiate service plans, and offer lower cost plans for the iPhone
> than are offered for the HSDPA network.
I don't think thats the reason but, it could be, but to complain about
AT&T's slow network under edge is not their fault, its the fault of the
phone not supporting 3g. Maybe EVDO is faster then AT&T's , but not to the
point of making much of a difference. And if that is the sole criteria,
Sprints EVDO is faster yet, but again, for a phone, doubtful it would make a
big real world difference. Maybe if tethering.
I do agree, the next iphone will support 3g hsdpa or whatever is out at the
time.
Another critisim is lack of flash, java and aps. Well the first two
probably will be solved by the summers end, the last will take sometime, but
no different then when PalmOS or WM first came out, it will take developers
time.
This phone is a fashion statement as much as being what it is, and this is
nothing new, in phones, watches and other electronic items, I don't intend
on getting one at this time, I don't think those who want one out of the
gate are wrong either, good luck to them, and if you see me, let me play
with it. :-) Meanwhile I will be very happy with my 8525 and my carry light
Samsung SGH-A727 which I switch sims back and forth according to me needs at
the time.
Charles wrote:
> In article <4683dce1$0$27162$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think one of the reasons that Apple approached Verizon first
>
> You keep saying that but you don't know if Apple approached Verizon
> first.
"http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/30/verizon_turned_down_iphone/"
among many other reports.
In article <468469cc$0$27237$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> "http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/30/verizon_turned_down_iphone/"
> among many other reports.
The Register is not reliable, for example the article it states Rogers
has signed up in Canada, which is not confirmed. I think you are
confusing Verizon turning it down, with Verizon being offered it first.
It is more likely that it was offered to both Cingular and Verizon,
probably around the same time.
In article <280620072203091974%fort@his.com.remove.invalid> ,
Charles <fort@his.com.remove.invalid> wrote:
> You keep saying that but you don't know if Apple approached Verizon
> first.
In article <reply_in_group-12EDD9.22372807072007@news.supernews.com>,
Tim Smith <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> In article <280620072203091974%fort@his.com.remove.invalid> ,
> Charles <fort@his.com.remove.invalid> wrote:
> > You keep saying that but you don't know if Apple approached Verizon
> > first.
>
> Yes we do:
>
> <http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2007-01-28-verizon-iphone_x.htm>
That is not proof that they approached Verizon first. It is likely
they negotiated with both Cingular and Verizon, playing both against
each other.
On Jun 23, 8:21 pm, "Moustaffa Moustamegwomfa"
<Mousta...@Moustamegwomfa.com> wrote:
> Why is the iphone going to be offered by Cingular only? I understand that
> Verizon is the number-one cell phone service provider both for superb
> coverage and high-speed data. Why would Steve Jobs choose Cingular? If I
> were Steve Jobs, I would want to release my iphone an the best network and
> according to all reviews, that is undeniably Verizon.
Apple originally offered it to Verizon but Apple wanted a large amount
of money per person who had the iPhone and Verizon didn't like the
requirements Apple put on the contract, so Apple moved on and Cingular
accepted.
Charles <fort@his.com.remove.invalid> wrote in news:080720070800099983% fort@his.com.remove.invalid:
> In article <reply_in_group-12EDD9.22372807072007@news.supernews.com>,
> Tim Smith <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <280620072203091974%fort@his.com.remove.invalid> ,
>> Charles <fort@his.com.remove.invalid> wrote:
>> > You keep saying that but you don't know if Apple approached Verizon
>> > first.
>>
>> Yes we do:
>>
>> <http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2007-01-28-verizon-iphone_x.htm>
>
> That is not proof that they approached Verizon first. It is likely
> they negotiated with both Cingular and Verizon, playing both against
> each other.
Definitely a possibility, if you live under a rock.
Mitchell Regenbogen wrote:
> Charles <fort@his.com.remove.invalid> wrote in news:080720070800099983%
> fort@his.com.remove.invalid:
>
>> In article <reply_in_group-12EDD9.22372807072007@news.supernews.com>,
>> Tim Smith <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <280620072203091974%fort@his.com.remove.invalid> ,
>>> Charles <fort@his.com.remove.invalid> wrote:
>>>> You keep saying that but you don't know if Apple approached Verizon
>>>> first.
>>> Yes we do:
>>>
>>> <http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2007-01-28-verizon-iphone_x.htm>
>> That is not proof that they approached Verizon first. It is likely
>> they negotiated with both Cingular and Verizon, playing both against
>> each other.
>
> Definitely a possibility, if you live under a rock.
There is a lot more evidence that Apple approached Verizon first, and
actually rushed out the GSM design when it didn't work out with Verizon.
Someone in ba.internet was analyzing the FCC applications as well, which
showed the same thing, Cingular was essentially a last-minute switch for
Apple.
Why iPhone for Cingular Only? 
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