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4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:6c743fac-bd8e-40f6-b736-
0f284418daff@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/1...-places-s.html

http://www.wired.com/gadgets/gadgetr...t2007/st_essay

Wired has hit the nail on the head in this article from back in October I
missed. Read it then think about your personal experience with ANY
carrier.



Larry
--
I found what I wanted for Christmas at Best Buy,
but she wouldn't stop screaming obscenities while
we were scanning her and forcing her into the bag!

How was I s'posed ta know associate girls weren't
on sale?

In article <Xns9A11764C170A4noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> http://www.wired.com/gadgets/gadgetr...t2007/st_essay
>
> Wired has hit the nail on the head in this article from back in October I
> missed. Read it then think about your personal experience with ANY
> carrier.

NO carrier OTHER THAN Verizon cripples your cell phone itself.

Why do you keep harping on this?

Ron Chapman <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in news:someone-
D01131.11555325122007@nntp1.usenetserver.com:

> Why do you keep harping on this?
>

I didn't write the article, unfortunately. EVERY SELLphone is crippled in
its basic design, on all carriers.

Notice how you can't load programs and run them on ANY carrier's phones?

Larry
--
I found what I wanted for Christmas at Best Buy,
but she wouldn't stop screaming obscenities while
we were scanning her and forcing her into the bag!

How was I s'posed ta know associate girls weren't
on sale?

At 25 Dec 2007 16:35:30 +0000 Larry wrote:

> Wired has hit the nail on the head in this article from back in October I
> missed.


It was interesting, but still makes the typical mistake of lumping all
carriers together in some kind of unholy alliance. These "insights" are
usually written by Verizon (or ex-Verizon) users!


> Read it then think about your personal experience with ANY carrier.

Some of us actually consider a carrier's openness as part of the selection
process.

Personally, I use T-Mobile. I realize other carriers offer more coverage
and more features, but T-Mo represents an excellent value and has an open
network and virtually no TOS restrictions.


My experience with T-Mobile...
2001: bought "uncrippled" (but relatively featureless) Voicestream (T-Mo's
predecessor) Nokia 8290. It's IR port allowed downloading free ringtones
from my PC, and supported tethering my PC or PDA at the blinding speed of
9.6kbps, with no extra cost (other than using minutes.)

2003, upgraded to a T-Mo Nokia 3650. It has uncrippled bluetooth- now I
could tether my laptop and PDA without line of sight at GPRS speed (up to
40k!) Woo-hoo! ("free" 9.6k was still available, but I splurged for the
$4.99 unlimited data plan) It is a Symbian phone, allowing me access to
hundreds of 3rd-party apps, all downloadable and not blocked by my carrier.
It includes a typical crummy ponecamera and a memory card slot. Pictures
and ringtones can be moved from memory to card or to PC via cable, IR, BT
or card reader, all without any restriction.

2005, the ringer on the 3650 craps out, and I buy an unlocked AT&T 3620
(essentially the same phone but with 800-MHz). Runs the same software, and
is also uncrippled in anyway. (Surprising, considering it's an AT&T
Wireless customized phone- maybe they're open too?)

2006, purchase a T-Mo MDA (T-Mo customized HTC Wizard Windows Mobile 5
phone.) It has uncrippled Wi-Fi, BT, the ability to run thousands of 3rd-
party apps, and again, is uncrippled in any way. Frankly, it can do
anything a Nokia Tablet can do, AND it's a phone.

2008- awaiting a T-Mo 3G WinMo phone- rumors point to a T-Mo version of the
HTC Kaiser (sold by AT&T as the Tilt.) I could buy it unlocked/unbranded
now, but why pay $700 now when I can get it unsubsidized later for $300?

At 25 Dec 2007 17:30:50 +0000 Larry wrote:

> I didn't write the article, unfortunately. EVERY SELLphone is
> crippled in its basic design, on all carriers.


Again, you're posting from a Verizon/Alltel perspective. Blackberries,
WinMo, Symbian, hell even Java-based dumbphones have extensive libraries of
user-installable apps.

> Notice how you can't load programs and run them on ANY carrier's phones?


No, what are you talking about? I've been installing programs, games,
browsers, etc. on my phones for years.

Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:_accj.480$gt3.236
@fe119.usenetserver.com:

> No, what are you talking about? I've been installing programs, games,
> browsers, etc. on my phones for years.
>
>
>

I apologize. If you can install programs YOURSELF, other than installing
programs from the carrier's bootie of approved programs, that's great.

I can install programs into my ROKR Z6M, too, but only ALLTEL programs from
ALLTEL, not copied off my hard drive. That it will not do.

Did you even read his article?....

Larry
--
I found what I wanted for Christmas at Best Buy,
but she wouldn't stop screaming obscenities while
we were scanning her and forcing her into the bag!

How was I s'posed ta know associate girls weren't
on sale?

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.]
On 2007-12-25, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> I apologize. If you can install programs YOURSELF, other than installing
> programs from the carrier's bootie of approved programs, that's great.

You really need to educate yourself.

Verizon and Alltel use Qualcomm's BREW, which is *designed* to be tightly
locked down.

Sprint Nextel, T-Mobile and AT&T use Java Mobile Edition. I can't
speak for AT&T, but with T-Mo and Sprint I can create a Java M.E. app,
put it on my web server with a small text file describing the
application, point my phone's web browser at that text file (which
describes the app and what files to download), and the carrier will
download it over-the-air and install it.

I've done it many times over the Internet with Sprint, and only haven't done
it with T-Mo because I don't want to pay for T-Mo's slow GPRS Internet access.
I've done it with a data cable with T-Mo.

And there are plenty of free and low-cost Java Mobile Edition apps available
for download from lots of websites.

--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com
Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol

Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:m4ccj.478
$gt3.96@fe119.usenetserver.com:

> It was interesting, but still makes the typical mistake of lumping all
> carriers together in some kind of unholy alliance. These "insights"
are
> usually written by Verizon (or ex-Verizon) users!
>
>

There IS an unholy alliance. http://www.ctia.org/

They do everything they can to make SURE their members are the ONLY link
you have a choice to use through intensive political action and lobbying
to stop any initiative that bypasses them and their archaic sell-it-by-
the-kilobyte bullshit.

Take a look at:
http://www.ctia.org/media/press/body.cfm/prid/1728
What do you know about using the phone cameras as code scanners? I've
seen this from them before and I understand other countries already have
code scanning implemented.

Every time I see something about "Scanning" and "Barcodes" these days, I
wonder what the motivation behind it is, given the Illuminati government
has already pass national ID legislation scheduled for 2008. Will we be
scanning our IDs into some Israeli database to identify ourselves, soon?

What useful purpose would being able to scan anything be to the privacy
of the public? Most interesting........

Larry
--
I found what I wanted for Christmas at Best Buy,
but she wouldn't stop screaming obscenities while
we were scanning her and forcing her into the bag!

How was I s'posed ta know associate girls weren't
on sale?

Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:m4ccj.478$gt3.96
@fe119.usenetserver.com:

> It was interesting, but still makes the typical mistake of lumping all
> carriers together in some kind of unholy alliance. These "insights" are
> usually written by Verizon (or ex-Verizon) users!
>
>

Haven't you ever wondered why so few companies are interested in wireless
broadband across America and Canada? Companies like:
http://www.m2znetworks.com/

Here's why:
http://files.ctia.org/pdf/filings/071126
_CTIA_M2Z_Reply_re_Motion_to_Intervene.pdf

CTIA, doing EVERYTHING it can to squash ANY WiMAX in this country. Their
contention is this 20 Mhz UNUSED spectrum represents some kind of threat to
"adjacent users". That's a common ploy of the bigtime broadcasters talking
about LPFM stations trying to drive them off the public airwaves. Oh,
those nasty bastards that aren't members of NAB should never be allowed to
compete with our monopoly. CTIA is to wireless what NAB is to
broadcasting....a powerful lobby group to make SURE you don't get any new
services THEY don't provide. They file in court to challenge it all,
interminably, until the startup company goes bankrupt. That's the
conspiracy of it.

Larry
--

At 25 Dec 2007 20:02:17 +0000 Larry wrote:

> > No, what are you talking about? I've been installing programs, games,
> > browsers, etc. on my phones for years.
>
> I apologize. If you can install programs YOURSELF, other than installing
> programs from the carrier's bootie of approved programs, that's great.


Again, it's a feature I look for in a phone and carrier.
> I can install programs into my ROKR Z6M, too, but only ALLTEL programs
from
> ALLTEL, not copied off my hard drive. That it will not do.
>
> Did you even read his article?....

Yes. As I said, it was interesting, but sounded like it was written by
someone who's only ever used Verizon. Everything he's setup his Nokia
tablet to do, my WinMo phone does (including run Skype.) Nokia makes
uncrippled phones, too, (the N95 for example) but they're GSM and won't
work on your Alltel service. (But then again, neither does your N800,
without tethering, anyway!)

In article <Xns9A1199A2F310Fnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> I apologize. If you can install programs YOURSELF, other than installing
> programs from the carrier's bootie of approved programs, that's great.

Welcome to the REAL world, tinfoilboy. It's about time you acknowledged
what's been going on outside your window for years now.

Yes, one carrier cripples its phones. So?

I'm sure that one girl turned you down for a date in high school, and
that's why you've never dated since.

At 25 Dec 2007 20:16:29 +0000 Larry wrote:

> There IS an unholy alliance. http://www.ctia.org/


Gasp! An industry has a lobbying group?


> They do everything they can to make SURE their members are the ONLY link
> you have a choice to use through intensive political action and lobbying
> to stop any initiative that bypasses them and their archaic sell-it-by-
> the-kilobyte bullshit.


What archaic sell-by-the-kb BS would that be? T-Mo's $6-20 unlimited
data? Sprint's $15-40 unlimited data or Cingular's $20-40?

> Take a look at:
> http://www.ctia.org/media/press/body.cfm/prid/1728
> What do you know about using the phone cameras as code scanners?

That it's a useful feature for data entry, particularly on camera-equipped
PDAs? Anyone who's spent $300 on a Compact-Flash based barcode scanner
from Symbol would love an essentially free solution.

> I've
> seen this from them before and I understand other countries already have
> code scanning implemented.


It also makes mobile shopping easier. Remember Barpoint.com? It was an
old WAP service (it used to be on Cingular's WAP deck) that let you enter a
UPC code into the WAP browser and get a Pricegrabber/My Simon-like
price/product info/reviews search. The idea was that entering a 10-12
digit UPC code was easier to enter on a phone keyboard than "Samsung 61"
DLP HDTV."


> Every time I see something about "Scanning" and "Barcodes" these days, I
> wonder what the motivation behind it is,

Um, money? Anything that fcilitates mobile online shopping is good for
carriers/the CTIA.

> ...given the Illuminati government
> has already pass national ID legislation scheduled for 2008. Will we be
> scanning our IDs into some Israeli database to identify ourselves, soon?

I'm sure YOU think so.

At 25 Dec 2007 17:51:39 -0500 Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

> Regarding the open network, Cingular/AT&T has had an open network for a
> long time now.

I thought so, but frankly I haven't used Cingular in over 4 years, and
never with GSM. I was impressed, back in the day, that they supported CSD
data on TDMA, something that (the old) AT&T Wireless never did.

Do they allow CSD now on GSM? It's a great last-resort connection for
folks without a (or with a metered) data plan.