iphoneatlas.com — The decryption of the iPhone OS 2.0 software/
firmware package has led to speculation that Apple may add support for
wireless printing to the iPhone and iPod touch.
I found this on the site which is very disturbing news and should be for
all of you....
"Another complaint from developers concerns the restrictions placed on them
by Apple’s SDK. Developers cannot patch into dialing to provide voice
dialing, the camera to allow for video recording, or to add many missing
features to the iPhone. Many developers are abandoning the development of
some quality apps because of the limitations. "
The apps can't use the phone? That's really stupid. Lots of business apps
will want to use the phone, say to dial out from a client database.
What is this fixation about not allowing video recording? Even the cheap
camera phones make movies!
I think a lot of developers are going to abandon it, fed up with the
stupid, rigid SDK omissions.
Maemo developers complain a lot too, but mostly about lack of sleep,
Chinese food in goldfish carry home boxes, warm softdrinks and cold pizza.
>Wireless printing coming to the iPhone?
>
>iphoneatlas.com — The decryption of the iPhone OS 2.0 software/
>firmware package has led to speculation that Apple may add support for
>wireless printing to the iPhone and iPod touch.
>
>That would be a nice 'touch' for the iPhone 3G.
10 years ago a Palm Pilot could wirelessly print to an HP LaserJet via
IR.
On Jul 19, 11:00*pm, Ron <roncliff...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:41:51 -0700 (PDT), 4phun <vic.hea...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Wireless printing coming to the iPhone?
>
> >iphoneatlas.com — The decryption of the iPhone OS 2.0 software/
> >firmware package has led to speculation that Apple may add support for
> >wireless printing to the iPhone and iPod touch.
>
> >That would be a nice 'touch' for the iPhone 3G.
>
> 10 years ago a Palm Pilot could wirelessly print to an HP LaserJet via
> IR.
>
> Hardly new technology.
None of the new laptops or normal cell phones do IR anymore. No
printer I know of recent manufacture does it either. HP?
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, 4phun posted:
> None of the new laptops or normal cell phones do IR anymore. No
> printer I know of recent manufacture does it either. HP?
That's certainly true with low-end phones like iPhone.
Almost all phones sold in Japan have IR. It's the most common way to
exchange contact information or files between phones. Nobody in their
right mind uses Bluetooth in a public place in Japan for that purpose.
-- Mark --
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Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
> That's certainly true with low-end phones like iPhone.
>
> Almost all phones sold in Japan have IR. It's the most common way
> to exchange contact information or files between phones. Nobody
> in their right mind uses Bluetooth in a public place in Japan for that
> purpose.
Personally, I'm a little peeved HTC has been leaving IR off the newer WinMo
phones. Besides being a great "lowest common denominator" wireless
communications format, it means my AT&T Tilt is my first WinMo device that
can't print to my portable Sipix printers, or double as a TV remote in a
pinch!
Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 19 Jul 2008 22:54:15 -0700 Mark Crispin wrote:
>
>> That's certainly true with low-end phones like iPhone.
>>
>> Almost all phones sold in Japan have IR. It's the most common way
>> to exchange contact information or files between phones. Nobody
>> in their right mind uses Bluetooth in a public place in Japan for that
>> purpose.
>
>
> Personally, I'm a little peeved HTC has been leaving IR off the newer WinMo
> phones. Besides being a great "lowest common denominator" wireless
> communications format, it means my AT&T Tilt is my first WinMo device that
> can't print to my portable Sipix printers, or double as a TV remote in a
> pinch!
And I'm peeved that most notebook PCs are leaving IR off.
On Jul 20, 6:09*pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > can't print to my portable Sipix printers, or double as a TV remote in a
> > pinch!
>
> And I'm peeved that most notebook PCs are leaving IR off.
Aside from using it as a TV remote, what practical use is IrDA these
days? It was devised in an era when it was going to be "the" short-
range communication mechanism. Because of its directionality, short
range and susceptibility to light interference, IrDA has kind of died
out in favor of various RF technologies (including, but not limited
to, Bluetooth).
Even if your notebook had it, what use would it be without other
peripherals to talk to? How many IrDA peripherals do you see in the
stores?
I personally have a lot of equipment that uses an RS232 link, so I
mourn the loss of serial ports from regular computers. But I
understand the reason for it.
> > > can't print to my portable Sipix printers, or double as a TV remote
in a
> > > pinch!
> >
> > And I'm peeved that most notebook PCs are leaving IR off.
>
> Aside from using it as a TV remote, what practical use is IrDA these
> days?
Legacy support for my older non-BT PPCs, phones and printers.
> It was devised in an era when it was going to be "the" short-
> range communication mechanism. Because of its directionality, short
> range and susceptibility to light interference, IrDA has kind of died
> out in favor of various RF technologies (including, but not limited
> to, Bluetooth).
Agreed.
> Even if your notebook had it, what use would it be without other
> peripherals to talk to? How many IrDA peripherals do you see in the
> stores?
Zero, these days...
> I personally have a lot of equipment that uses an RS232 link, so I
> mourn the loss of serial ports from regular computers. But I
> understand the reason for it.
Agreed, but it doesn't mean I have to like it! ;-)
> On Jul 20, 6:09*pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > > can't print to my portable Sipix printers, or double as a TV remote in a
> > > pinch!
> >
> > And I'm peeved that most notebook PCs are leaving IR off.
>
> Aside from using it as a TV remote, what practical use is IrDA these
> days? It was devised in an era when it was going to be "the" short-
> range communication mechanism. Because of its directionality, short
> range and susceptibility to light interference, IrDA has kind of died
> out in favor of various RF technologies (including, but not limited
> to, Bluetooth).
>
> Even if your notebook had it, what use would it be without other
> peripherals to talk to? How many IrDA peripherals do you see in the
> stores?
>
> I personally have a lot of equipment that uses an RS232 link, so I
> mourn the loss of serial ports from regular computers. But I
> understand the reason for it.
yeah, another cool thing about the iphone is it turns into a Remote over
WiFi, so you can be anywhere in your house and control your tv or stereo.
"David Moyer" <davmoy@world.com> wrote in message
news:davmoy-6AD05E.20541520072008@news.qwest.net...
> zwsdotcom@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Jul 20, 6:09 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
>> > > can't print to my portable Sipix printers, or double as a TV remote
>> > > in a
>> > > pinch!
>> >
>> > And I'm peeved that most notebook PCs are leaving IR off.
>>
>> Aside from using it as a TV remote, what practical use is IrDA these
>> days? It was devised in an era when it was going to be "the" short-
>> range communication mechanism. Because of its directionality, short
>> range and susceptibility to light interference, IrDA has kind of died
>> out in favor of various RF technologies (including, but not limited
>> to, Bluetooth).
>>
>> Even if your notebook had it, what use would it be without other
>> peripherals to talk to? How many IrDA peripherals do you see in the
>> stores?
>>
>> I personally have a lot of equipment that uses an RS232 link, so I
>> mourn the loss of serial ports from regular computers. But I
>> understand the reason for it.
>
> yeah, another cool thing about the iphone is it turns into a Remote over
> WiFi, so you can be anywhere in your house and control your tv or stereo.
>
> no more line of sight like you had to do with IR.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gY_ZyeLhYo
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tccbbS0ksiE
Only works with apple iTunes or apple TV. yeah, I can't take no more.
David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote in news:davmoy-BA7383.20435920072008
@news.qwest.net:
> Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
>> 10 years ago a Palm Pilot could wirelessly print to an HP LaserJet via
>> IR.
>>
>> Hardly new technology.
>
> and the Newton did it years before that. And your point is?
>
I can print to a whole line of them on the shelf at Best Buy from my N800
Linux tablet.......and have....(c;
What's fun is to wait until the sales wienie is showing off a big HP
printer to someone, then, over the wifi connection, print out a full page
porn color photo for the astonished, but appreciative, smiling customer!
They'll never figure out where it came from. They're just not that
smart...(c;
They got a new Pioneer BT-installed car stereo over in the car stereo
department. When noone was looking, I paired it with my Z6m sellphone.
Then, you wait until some real rappers with their pants hanging halfway
down their asses and doorags over their heads start looking. When they
press the red button to hear that radio, you click PLAY on the coupled
phone and play some real honkytonk shitkickin' country music at full volume
through it....
Great fun these Best Buy stores. I bet that lady that was buyin' the HP
printer has still got that color photo of the Chippendales taped to the
wall over her side of the bed....(c; God those guys are BIG!
David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote in news:davmoy-6AD05E.20541520072008
@news.qwest.net:
> yeah, another cool thing about the iphone is it turns into a Remote over
> WiFi, so you can be anywhere in your house and control your tv or stereo.
>
>
Of course, this works both ways....Wiimote control of the tablets...(c; http://youtube.com/watch?v=jhnZpkeFhGs
(I found out it's not a good idea to play games with Wiimote in a
restaurant, however...)
On Jul 20, 10:54*pm, David Moyer <dav...@world.com> wrote:
> yeah, another cool thing about the iphone is it turns into a Remote over
> WiFi, so you can be anywhere in your house and control your tv or stereo.
If your TV is an AppleTV, and you're only watching pre-recorded
content (not actual TV) and your stereo is something running iTunes,
sure. Maybe someone will hack the PS3 and/or XBox360 to talk to the
iPhone remote, but it's still a far cry from the most important
feature of a TV remote, which is to talk to the TV and the set-top box
to change channels, set volume, and turn power on and off. Not that I
care, of course, because I don't watch TV, but if I did I would not
call the iPhone "a remote that will control my TV" until TV sets have
WiFi built in.
> If your TV is an AppleTV, and you're only watching pre-recorded
> content (not actual TV) and your stereo is something running iTunes,
> sure. Maybe someone will hack the PS3 and/or XBox360 to talk to the
> iPhone remote, but it's still a far cry from the most important
> feature of a TV remote, which is to talk to the TV and the set-top box
> to change channels, set volume, and turn power on and off. Not that I
> care, of course, because I don't watch TV, but if I did I would not
> call the iPhone "a remote that will control my TV" until TV sets have
> WiFi built in.
I don't see anything on that page that says you can use an AppleTV to
talk IR back to a set-top box or a TV set to turn those appliances off
and on and control their other functions. Without a WiFi to IR gateway
an iPhone cannot control a TV set or most STBs. Controlling an AppleTV
is not controlling a TV.
> > http://www.apple.com/appletv/features.html
>
> I don't see anything on that page that says you can use an AppleTV to
> talk IR back to a set-top box or a TV set to turn those appliances off
> and on and control their other functions. Without a WiFi to IR gateway
> an iPhone cannot control a TV set or most STBs. Controlling an AppleTV
> is not controlling a TV.
you'd be shocked to learn how much content you can control via appetv,
so someday you'll see what i'm talking about.
On Jul 21, 7:16*pm, David Moyer <dav...@world.com> wrote:
> you'd be shocked to learn how much content you can control via appetv,
> so someday you'll see what i'm talking about.
You'd be shocked to learn that isn't what we were talking about.
We were talking about whether or not a device without IrDA can act as
a universal remote for the devices people have in their entertainment
center right now. Hey, by the way - guess what technology the Apple
remote that comes with the MacBook etc. uses. Hint - it's still
electromagnetic radiation, but the wavelength is shorter than radio.
I fully agree with you that someday every piece of entertainment you
enjoy will be delivered on an IP network, but we're not there yet.
And furthermore, even when we reach that point, it has nothing to do
with what txcvr will be required to talk to the remote control input
of consumer equipment. IR is cheap to Tx (one LED and a
microcontroller) and cheap to Rx (one photo-FET, an RC notch filter,
maybe an op-amp, and a microcontroller), it works across the world,
and it has no regulatory hurdles (no type approval is required).
Wireless printing coming to the iPhone? 
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