Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhone, great reading....
1) David Pogue -
One year and 11 days ago, our nation was swept by iPhone Mania. TV news
coverage was relentless. Hard-core fans camped out to be the first in
line. Bloggers referred to Apple¹s new product as the ³Jesus phone.²
It was a stunning black slab of glass: a cellphone, a brilliant music
and video player and the best pocket Internet terminal the world had
ever seen. The huge, bright, touch-sensitive screen made it addictive
fun to rotate, page through or magnify your photos, videos and Web pages.
Today, the iPhone is in the hands of six million people. Clumsy
touch-screen lookalikes from rival phone makers line the shelves.
Apple Inc.¹s iPhone has been the world¹s most influential smart phone
since its debut a year ago, widely hailed for its beauty and
functionality. It was a true hand-held computer that raised the bar for
all its competitors. But that first iPhone had two big drawbacks: It was
expensive, and it couldn¹t access the fastest cellular-phone networks.
On Friday, Apple is launching a second-generation iPhone, called the
iPhone 3G, which addresses both of those problems, while retaining the
look and feel of the first model¹s hardware and software.
David Moyer wrote:
> In article <MPG.22de5c42e44d68b989841@news.individual.net>,
> Jim Mason <jim.mason@removethisukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon
>> Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia?
>
> proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.
More likely you just don't give a shit about netiquette, bitch.
David Pogue / NYTimes
- Sound is much improved. "In fact, few cellphones sound this good."
- Feels better in your hand due to the curved back
- "According to Apple, the iPhone¹s G.P.S. antenna is much too small to
emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for
example."
- No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS
- "the really big deal is the iPhone 2.0 software and the App Store
Walt Mossberg
- "it mostly keeps its promises."
- "more capable version of an already excellent device"
- Battery drained much more quickly using 3G, as expected
- Greatly improved audio, much louder speaker
- Data speeds 3-5x faster than original iPhone
- Better voice coverage with 3G. "At my neighborhood shopping center,
where the first iPhone got little or no AT&T service, the iPhone 3G
registered strong coverage."
Edward Baig / USA Today
- "iPhone 3G: The Sequel, is worth the wait."
- Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing
- Supports PowerPoint attachments; mass move or delete multiple e-mail
messages
- 10-30 seconds to load popular websites on 3G.
- GPS was very accurate
- Speaker sounded better for both speakerphone and music.
- "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy work
day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as with the
older iPhone."
also quite decent - a sneak peek into the 2.0 software:
I can't tell you how we got ahold of a first-generation iPhone loaded
with version 2.0 of the iPhone operating system. What I can tell you is
that if I do reveal this information, homicidal ninjas will come to my
house and kill my family. Nevertheless, we do have one -- and we were
able to take a look inside and find a few minute yet interesting
changes. Here's a preview of some of the ways in which iPhone 2.0
differs from iPhone 1.0.
iPhone 2.0, of course, is the operating system that will come
preinstalled on iPhone 3G models when those start shipping on Friday,
July 11. iPhone 2.0 will also be available as a free software upgrade to
people who have first-generation iPhones.
In the photo of the iPhone home screen, above, you'll notice at least
two differences from the first-generation OS: there's a new Contacts
application (on the old phone, contacts were accessible only via the
"Phone" icon), and the long-awaited App Store is there (that's where
you'll buy new iPhone-native software and games).
David Moyer wrote:
> In article <MPG.22de5c42e44d68b989841@news.individual.net>,
> Jim Mason <jim.mason@removethisukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon
>> Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia?
>
> proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.
You just don't understand. The fanbois whose entire existence is defined
by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds) that
they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care less.
Hello Oxford, I see that you are using a new pen name.
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, David Moyer posted:
> - Sound is much improved. "In fact, few cellphones sound this good."
Golly gee, this is from the same Oxford who insisted that 3G was useless
and that Steve Jobs destroyed its future. Of course, those of us who have
used 3G for many years knew quite well that 3G had better sound quality.
> - "According to Apple, the iPhone's G.P.S. antenna is much too small to
> emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for
> example."
Golly gee, I have that function on my GPS-enabled cell phone, as does just
about every user of a cell phone in Japan.
> - No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS
Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones.
> - "the really big deal is the iPhone 2.0 software and the App Store
Golly gee, just like what people on all other phones have had for many
years. Too bad it is crippled like Verizon's GetItNow, instead of being
open the way it is on Windows Mobile and any Java phone.
> - "it mostly keeps its promises."
Golly gee, "mostly"? Talk about damning with faint praise.
> - Battery drained much more quickly using 3G, as expected
Golly gee, my Japanese 3G phone doesn't drain "much more quickly" using
3G. 3G is only about a 25% hit over GSM for talk time. In standby, it
lasts longer in 3G.
> - Data speeds 3-5x faster than original iPhone
Golly gee, this is from the same Oxford who insisted that 3G was useless
and that Steve Jobs destroyed its future. Of course, those of us who have
used 3G for many years knew quite well that 3G had faster data speeds.
> - Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing
Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones.
> - "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy work
> day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as with the
> older iPhone."
Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery on
iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.
-- Mark --
http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
In article <alpine.OSX.1.10.0807091112520.1537@pangtzu.panda. com>, Mark
Crispin <mrc@Panda.COM> wrote:
> > - "According to Apple, the iPhone's G.P.S. antenna is much too small to
> > emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for
> > example."
>
> Golly gee, I have that function on my GPS-enabled cell phone, as does just
> about every user of a cell phone in Japan.
tomtom announced their software, and it would be surprising if it
didn't do turn by turn.
> > - No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS
>
> Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones.
three of those have been announced already.
> > - Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing
>
> Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones.
you already pointed those out, and other than the stereo bluetooth,
they exist or will exist.
> > - "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy work
> > day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as with the
> > older iPhone."
>
> Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery on
> iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.
there are extended batteries available. most people only have one
battery with their cellphones, so in the grand scheme of things, it's
not a big deal that the battery can't be swapped on the fly. of
course, for someone who needs extended periods of battery use, then the
iphone might not be the best choice.
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:26:44 -0700, Mark Crispin <mrc@Panda.COM> wrote:
>
>Golly gee, my Japanese 3G phone doesn't drain "much more quickly" using
>3G. 3G is only about a 25% hit over GSM for talk time. In standby, it
>lasts longer in 3G.
I realize that you've got other stuff going on in your post,
but I'd like to ask about your phone.
I ask because I'm taking the iPhone seriously, but I'm not an
Apple fan or anything like that. I'm taking it seriously because it is
the only phone available to me here in NYC, to the best of my
knowledge, that will finally allow me to access and input data in
Japanese.
I've been investigating Palm, Win Mob, RIM devices for ages
now, and it's been totally frustrating.
May I ask both where you're posting from and what
instrument/network you're using?
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, David G. Imber posted:
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:26:44 -0700, Mark Crispin <mrc@Panda.COM> wrote:
>> Golly gee, my Japanese 3G phone doesn't drain "much more quickly" using
>> 3G. 3G is only about a 25% hit over GSM for talk time. In standby, it
>> lasts longer in 3G.
> I realize that you've got other stuff going on in your post,
> but I'd like to ask about your phone.
Check out the Japanese Phone section of howardforums and you'll find lots
of people talking about keitais (phones from Japan). Probably lots more
than you ever wanted to know.
You can certainly get access and input data in Japanese on a Windows
Mobile phone; it's just a matter of software.
One of my keitais is a SoftBank X01HT (basically, an HTC Hermes branded
for SoftBank). After unlocking it, I used it with my Verizon SIM (yes,
there is such a thing!) to roam in Japan as a Verizon user. [Of course, I
also used domestic service in Japan -- nobody in their right mind pays
$2.50/minute roaming charges for routine calls!]
Later on, I got tired of the Japanese-only OS. The only thing worse that
Microsoft's perversion of English is their perversion of Japanese; I can
read it and in fact still have the Japanese OS on my laptop, but I don't
want to deal with Microsoft-perverted Japanese on a phone!
Following those instructions, I ended up with a Japanese WM device that
talks to me in English, but is still quite capable of handling Japanese
text.
Many of SoftBank's and NTT DoCoMo's models are bilingual Japanese/English,
and there's quite a grey market of them selling on eBay. If you don't
need anything fancy and just want Japanese support, I suggest getting one
of the basic models such as an 812SH.
However, if you need 3G in the USA, you probably will have to get a
Windows Mobile device since most of the non-WM keitais are 3G in the 2100
band and GSM-only in the US bands.
Be sure that it is unlockable in software. This is the case on the
Windows Mobile devices, but many other keitais require you to use a
HyperSIM which is at best a half-solution. Read the threads on
howardforums to learn all about HyperSIM & such.
The iPhone will give you Japanese language capability out of the box
without playing games, so it may be a good choice for you if you don't
feel like hacking.
I can't give you much advice about using Japanese with Blackberry, at
least not yet.
You have to ask yourself -- what is it that you want besides Japanese
capability? If you want a media player, go with iPhone. If you want a
full-featured smartphone, go with WM. If you want a basic phone, consider
one of the keitais.
I would wait awhile before trying to use an iPhone in heavy-duty
enterprise type applications. They did add Exchange support in 2.0, but
the Mail client is still not quite up to speed. Maybe 3.0 or 4.0 will be
better. RIM is, and will remain for some time, the 500 pound gorilla in
this sector. Note that RIM has a Blackberry application for Windows
Mobile, so if you are in an office that standardized on Blackberry, you
can get a WM keitai and install the Blackberry service on it and be good
to go.
> May I ask both where you're posting from and what
> instrument/network you're using?
Right now, I'm in the Seattle area. I am also to be found at times in
rural Alaska or Japan.
I use Verizon in Seattle (with a Motorola Z6C dual CDMA/GSM world phone),
and AT&T in Alaska (with the X01HT). When I'm in Japan, I use the X01HT
with my Verizon SIM to roam with my US service, and a regular keitai with
domestic service.
-- Mark --
http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
> > - "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy work
> > day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as with the
> > older iPhone."
>
> Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery on
> iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.
sure you can, any iPod or iPhone battery extender will work fine.
On Jul 9, 9:01*am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> David Moyer wrote:
> > In article <MPG.22de5c42e44d68b989...@news.individual.net>,
> > *Jim Mason <jim.ma...@removethisukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>> Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon
> >> Why do you think this is *relevant to alt.cellular.nokia?
>
> > proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.
>
> You just don't understand. The fanbois whose entire existence is defined
> by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds) that
> they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care less.
If you do not caare for the iPhone have enough maturity to ignore it
and move on without wasting everyones else's time with comments like
the above when there are those who are looking for information and
appreciate posts on iPhone 3G developments. Another words GET A LIFE.
"4phun" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d8eb18b7-ce87-4a89-bde8-c738fb90b806@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 9, 9:01 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> David Moyer wrote:
> > In article <MPG.22de5c42e44d68b989...@news.individual.net>,
> > Jim Mason <jim.ma...@removethisukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>> Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon
> >> Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia?
>
> > proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.
>
> You just don't understand. The fanbois whose entire existence is defined
> by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds) that
> they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care less.
If you do not caare for the iPhone have enough maturity to ignore it
and move on without wasting everyones else's time with comments like
the above when there are those who are looking for information and
appreciate posts on iPhone 3G developments. Another words GET A LIFE.
There is a difference between the two. Knowing and then the BS you spew over
and over again. It's you that need's to get the life.
> > Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery
on
> > iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.
>
> sure you can, any iPod or iPhone battery extender will work fine.
>
> http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html
So much for thin... Now your iPhone can be as thick as my Tilt!
> geeesh, you know nothing about what you speak.
He was limiting the discussion to swappable, user replaceable batteries, I
assume.
No problem, though- as you've always said, the iPhone battery is certainly
user replaceable- instead of the products you mentioned above, you could
just carry this:
> > > proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.
> >
> > You just don't understand. The fanbois whose entire existence is defined
> > by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds) that
> > they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care less.
>
> If you do not caare for the iPhone have enough maturity to ignore it
> and move on without wasting everyones else's time with comments like
> the above when there are those who are looking for information and
> appreciate posts on iPhone 3G developments. Another words GET A LIFE.
That doesn't excuse Oxford's continued crossposting. Where does your
slippery slope end? Are the Cletus KKK posts here ok because someone might
"appreciate" racist drivel? Maybe the recent Islamaspam is ok because it
might be interesting to someone on a cellphone NG?
The point stands that anyone who might "appreciate posts on iPhone 3G
developments" can go to the SEVERAL groups where such posts are actually ON
TOPIC, and don't need Oxford, you, or I to "deliver" them elsewhere.
David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:davmoy-A59ED3.20124509072008@news.qwest.net:
> Mark Crispin <mrc@Panda.COM> wrote:
>
>> > - "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy
>> > work day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as
>> > with the older iPhone."
>>
>> Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended
>> battery on iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.
>
> sure you can, any iPod or iPhone battery extender will work fine.
Battery extender? I thought the iPhone battery kept a charge for weeks.
At least that's what you were saying a year ago. Right about the same time
you were preaching that wifi would be the 3g killers.
Wow- my laptop would be easier and lighter to use than that amalgamation of
electronic odds and ends. And it shoots the whole"form" argument all to
hell.
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> amazed us all with the following in
newsufdk.13780$xZ.6393@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com:
> David Moyer wrote:
>
>> Edward Baig / USA Today
>> - "iPhone 3G: The Sequel, is worth the wait."
>> - Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing
>
> I can't believe that they still have no voice dialing. Is there _any_
> other current cell phone model that doesn't have voice dialing?
>
My daughter's $50 Samsung has voice dialing. The Razr had voice dialing. I
can't think of any phone considered new that doesn't.
In article <pufdk.13780$xZ.6393@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>, SMS
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> > Edward Baig / USA Today
> > - "iPhone 3G: The Sequel, is worth the wait."
> > - Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing
>
> I can't believe that they still have no voice dialing. Is there _any_
> other current cell phone model that doesn't have voice dialing?
i've never seen voice dialing work particularly well, but nevertheless,
at least one third party (and i think more than just one but i can't
remember whom) has announced voice dialing support.
In article <%sfdk.13778$xZ.10956@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> David Moyer wrote:
>
> > "It was a true hand-held computer..."
>
> Huh? In reality it was a web pad/phone/MP3 player. It was _not_ a
> hand-held computer. You couldn't even do a spreadsheet on it.
the official description is:
The iPhone combines three products in one ‹ a revolutionary phone, a
widescreen iPod, and a breakthrough Internet device with rich HTML email
and a desktop-class web browser. i
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:57:38 -0700, Mark Crispin <mrc@Panda.COM> wrote:
>The only thing worse than Microsoft's perversion of English is their perversion of Japanese
SO true! I've never heard others say it, but you are spot on
there.
>there's quite a grey market of them selling on eBay.
I get to Japan often, and have purchased phones for others. It
happens that I've been with Sprint for nine years, which has naturally
limited my options a good deal.
>You have to ask yourself -- what is it that you want besides Japanese
>capability? If you want a media player, go with iPhone.
I do not. I dislike MP3. My wife does, and she holds a slight
edge in the voting, don't ask me how.
One feature of the iPhone that does make a very positive
impression is the Safari mobile browser. I haven't yet seen a RIM or
Palm device with a useful browser. I must admit I haven't really
examined this aspect of the Windows Mobile platform, but I imagine it
would be strong as well.
You've given me a lot of great information and I appreciate it
very much!
> > http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html
>
>
> ...and they said you can't tether an iPhone!
>
> > or there are now several iPhone specific battery packs like this one.
> >
> > http://www.mophie.com/products/juice-pack
>
> So much for thin... Now your iPhone can be as thick as my Tilt!
>
> > geeesh, you know nothing about what you speak.
>
> He was limiting the discussion to swappable, user replaceable batteries, I
> assume.
>
> No problem, though- as you've always said, the iPhone battery is certainly
> user replaceable- instead of the products you mentioned above, you could
> just carry this:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html?ie=UTF8&a=B000EM98KW
(smirk)
i see the new iphone has two small screws at the base, so this possibly
will open more doors for battery options. we'll know friday with the
first take-a-parts.
David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote in news:davmoy-904180.22285409072008
@news.qwest.net:
> i see the new iphone has two small screws at the base, so this possibly
> will open more doors for battery options. we'll know friday with the
> first take-a-parts.
>
>
.....This to be followed by a special YouTube posting of "Will It Blend",
within 24 hours, I'm sure....(c;
"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in message
news:Nlfdk.61300$pe5.8334@fe115.usenetserver.com.. .
> At 09 Jul 2008 19:19:03 -0700 4phun wrote:
>
> > > > proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's
why.
>
> > >
> > > You just don't understand. The fanbois whose entire existence is
defined
> > > by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds) that
> > > they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care less.
> >
> > If you do not caare for the iPhone have enough maturity to ignore it
> > and move on without wasting everyones else's time with comments like
> > the above when there are those who are looking for information and
> > appreciate posts on iPhone 3G developments. Another words GET A LIFE.
>
>
> That doesn't excuse Oxford's continued crossposting. Where does your
> slippery slope end? Are the Cletus KKK posts here ok because someone
might
> "appreciate" racist drivel? Maybe the recent Islamaspam is ok because it
> might be interesting to someone on a cellphone NG?
>
> The point stands that anyone who might "appreciate posts on iPhone 3G
> developments" can go to the SEVERAL groups where such posts are actually
ON
> TOPIC, and don't need Oxford, you, or I to "deliver" them elsewhere.
I wonder what will happen after the iPhone 3G comes out tomorrow.
BTW after all the hype about the iPhone 3G I still don't know if it has
Stereo Bluetooth.
In article <davmoy-904180.22285409072008@news.qwest.net>, David Moyer
<davmoy@world.com> wrote:
> i see the new iphone has two small screws at the base, so this possibly
> will open more doors for battery options. we'll know friday with the
> first take-a-parts.
the first take-apart has been posted and the battery is no longer
soldered.
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