"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > yes, but I didn't have to pay a penny for the calls, they come in for
> > free (just a normal landline) and I usually just emailed the answer
> > back, or called them with skype.
> >
> > someday you'll learn about modern technology!
>
> As you're walking down the street, or driving your car.
>
> Right?
call me old fashioned but i disapprove of listening to your ipod or
talking on the phone when walking down a street or driving a car.
> Don't need a computer to carry around, dont need Ovolab's Phlink, don't need
> Skype (What did you do before Skype?), and don't need to find a WiFi hotspot
> and stay connected to it - I just move around for miles and miles and stay
> connected.
yeah, but I don't like to pay for something that is already free, i
guess we differ on that. I like to use modern technology to free me from
old fashioned expenses... you like to pay, and pay, and pay, without
questioning "why".
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > Okay, and I was referring to where I spend 90% of my time. My house,
> > office or any of my clients. I could careless about wireless when I'm
> > out in the woods to get away from it all.
>
> But what about when you're in between your house, your office, or a
> client location?
>
> Your precious "wifi everywhere" model FAILS.
Not really, i can using coconut wifi to find an open wifi point anywhere
I'm at, so if you know how to use tools you are online within minutes.
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > > Better yet: do you know WHY we know who Adele Goldberg is? Do you know
> > > the DETAILS of what brought her into the world of which we're discussing?
> >
> > sure, she had something to do with smalltalk, big deal.
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>
> For someone who claims to know Steve Jobs personally, you don't know
> shit.
i've never said i knew SJ personally, you are digging yourself deeper in
deeper into lies Elmo!
so ms goldberg didn't have anything to do with smalltalk, if i'm wrong,
please educate me.
> > > I'll make it even easier: do you know who Chuck Thacker is? Do you
> > > know why you should know that without looking it up?
> >
> > sure, he worked with bob metcalfe on ethernet if i remember correctly.
>
> STILL don't know shit.
ah, but I have a better grasp on computing history than you do... all
you can do is spout insults, i at least try to educate the uneducated.
> > > Do you know why these people are relevant to this discussion?
> > >
> > > Discuss. Within the next 10 minutes. Go.
> >
> > neither are relevant since we are discussing the iPhone at $399, neither
> > use ethernet or smalltalk.
>
> Gee, and I heard you say we were talking about understanding the history
> of computing.
and I do, you clearly haven't shown the slightest knowledge on the
subject, you just are angry for some reason.
> Are you saying that we were NOT discussing your understanding of the
> history of computing?
i'm staying faithful to the topic at hand, the iPhone. Do you have one?
Can you talk about it's history? Probably not, I rest my case.
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > call me old fashioned but i disapprove of listening to your ipod or
> > talking on the phone when walking down a street
>
> You disapprove of listening to an iPod while walking down the street?
yes
> You disapprove of talking on the phone while walking down the street?
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > Not really, i can using coconut wifi to find an open wifi point anywhere
> > I'm at,
>
> That's your claim. Oh, but a couple sentences later, you say:
>
> > But for me in a modern city, wifi is available 90% of the time during my
> > life, that's enough, 10% is for resting.
>
> Wait a minute. Then you admit that you CANNOT find an open wifi point
> anywhere you are.
No, I claim I don't use WiFi while driving, or walking down the street,
but 90% of the "time", I have full access to wifi.
> Which is it? You can find an open wifi point anywhere, or you can't?
You must be getting up in age? I suspect you are nearing 76 years old?
I can find a wifi point anywhere I want, but since my life is well
constructed, I don't need to "find" it, it's already everywhere I go 90%
of the time, and 100% of the time when I "need it"...
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > > But what about when you're in between your house, your office, or a
> > > client location?
> > >
> > > Your precious "wifi everywhere" model FAILS.
> >
> > Not really, i can using coconut wifi to find an open wifi point anywhere
> > I'm at,
>
> Wifi is ANYWHERE you are?
yes, it has a sound featuure that "plinks" when it has an open
connection, so i can drive a few blocks, (not using wifi while driving)
then "plink", now I know I'm online "where I'm at". done, I'm online.
it's rare i ever need to do this now, but it was fun a year or so ago.
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > > For someone who claims to know Steve Jobs personally, you don't know
> > > shit.
> >
> > i've never said i knew SJ personally, you are digging yourself deeper in
> > deeper into lies Elmo!
>
> Oh, the archives show otherwise.
then show everyone where I said I knew SJ "personally", I caught you in
a 5th lie today Elmo... too funny.
> > so ms goldberg didn't have anything to do with smalltalk, if i'm wrong,
> > please educate me.
>
> You keep digging yourself EVEN DEEPER.
>
> We're talking about the history of computing. Adele Goldberg is a
> living, breathing, walking, talking part of a very, very, very key piece
> of computing history. She is in fact the only one of her kind, who can
> say she did what she did and was where she was--all very relevant to
> your Steve Jobs.
>
> The history of computing, dude.
but nobody outside the smalltalk realm has ever heard of her, nice
reference, but near-pointless within the history of computing.
> > ah, but I have a better grasp on computing history than you do... all
> > you can do is spout insults, i at least try to educate the uneducated.
>
> Let's see, you make claims that you can't back up--and in response, you
> say that you have a better grasp than others.
>
> That's pure balls, for sure.
You only speak in vague terms, no meat to your matter, you just like to
make stuff up, tell everyone something "serious" you have contributed to
computing...
waiting...
> > and I do, you clearly haven't shown the slightest knowledge on the
> > subject, you just are angry for some reason.
>
> I don't have to show it. I know it. You, on the other hand, made the
> claim--and continue to make the claim--that you know more than others.
> Yet you've proven you don't know shit.
then share that wisdom you have bottled up inside? why do you refuse to
add anything to the discussion? you just like to point to obscure
people, then give up the fight. you are weak, that's all.
> > > Are you saying that we were NOT discussing your understanding of the
> > > history of computing?
> >
> > i'm staying faithful to the topic at hand,
>
> Which is, as you have said before, the history of computing and your
> grasp of it.
name something I don't know in this area, bet you can't...
In alt.cellular.cingular Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > > why? i've always demonstrated top notch understanding of what has
> > > happened with computing over the last 30-40 years, do you have any
> > > examples are just playing dumb again?
> >
> > Of what you don't know?
> >
> > I'll make it even easier: do you know who Chuck Thacker is? Do you
> > know why you should know that without looking it up?
> sure, he worked with bob metcalfe on ethernet if i remember correctly.
> > Do you know why these people are relevant to this discussion?
> >
> > Discuss. Within the next 10 minutes. Go.
> neither are relevant since we are discussing the iPhone at $399, neither
> use ethernet or smalltalk.
> next question please?
Haha, this is funny, I could give a sh*t about the iPhone or this
pissing match, but it is amusing some of it.
If you are so smart and the iPhone is not using ethernet, what type
of frames is it sending over that 802.11 wireless connection? Is it still
using Appletalk? Maybe Tokering? Please, do tell us how it isn't using
ethernet.
In news:colalovesmacs-AF5270.14405408092007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net,
Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> typed:
> "IMHO IIRC" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.NOSPAM> wrote:
>
>> I have Used OLD technology for 10 years
>
> yes, and you just posted this with Microsoft Outlook Express...
>
> very OBSOLETE technology...
>
>> and just forward my home phone to my
>> cell - when it rings I talk to who is calling.
>
> yeah, guess that makes sense... if your computer doesn't work with
> modern software like Phlink.
>
> http://www.ovolab.com/phlink/index.php
>
>> Don't need a computer to carry around, dont need Ovolab's Phlink, don't
>> need Skype (What did you do before Skype?), and don't need to find a
>> WiFi hotspot and stay connected to it - I just move around for miles and
>> miles and stay connected.
>
> yeah, but I don't like to pay for something that is already free, i
> guess we differ on that. I like to use modern technology to free me from
> old fashioned expenses... you like to pay, and pay, and pay, without
> questioning "why".
>
> -
Why did you decide to pay $599 for an iPhone AND pay ATT for cell phone
service.
That is really dumb. I just continue to use my FREE cell phone with a cheap
cell plan.
In article <%6AEi.239376$BX3.185131@newsfe13.lga>, IMHO IIRC
<NOSPAM@NOSPAM.NOSPAM> wrote:
> In news:colalovesmacs-C9EEAC.23012807092007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net,
> Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> typed:
> > "IMHO IIRC" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.NOSPAM> wrote:
> >
> >>> What is your zip code? I'll check out what is wrong with your life.
> >>
> >> Sorry to tell you but Lightbulbs have nothing to do with WiFi.
> >> Lightbulbs are everywhere - FREE WiFi is not available in most places.
> >> Do you have free WiFi at home as your ONLY internet connection?
> >
> > but the analogy is apt, it's roughly year 6 for wifi, year 125 for the
> > lightbulb, check back here in 119 years and free wifi will be
> > "everywhere" (smirk)
>
> But I don't want to wait 119 years to use an iPhone ;-D
>
>
>
What the hell is wrong with a guy who KNOWS that technology changes,
but it absolutely certain that a specific wireless protocol is going to
be around for many many years?
This is a MORONIC conversation, guys -- WiFi simply IS NOT the
equivalent service to cell service. Even the idiots in this
conversation can see it.
So stop, guys. You're making no good points any more.
In article <eDmEi.246946$dA7.94507@newsfe16.lga>, IMHO IIRC
<NOSPAM@NOSPAM.NOSPAM> wrote:
> > 90% is "everywhere" as far as this conversation matters. Not 125 years
> > from now, now.
> >
> > And no, 100% of people do not have free wifi 90% of the time.
No, Justin, 90 percent isn't even a little close to 'everywhere.' The
context of cell phone service means at least matching THAT availability
-- which is much higher than 90 percent of where people are, at all
times.
If they lose a call even once a week, people care enought to switch
carriers even before they know how good the next one will be. It's a
big deal.
90 percent available in only the most dense cities and only the places
where you are two-thirds of your life? Even if you were right, which is
unlikely, and clearly not even CLOSE to an alternative!
In news:colalovesmacs-A3A714.15465408092007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net,
Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> typed:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>>> Not really, i can using coconut wifi to find an open wifi point anywhere
>>> I'm at,
>>
>> That's your claim. Oh, but a couple sentences later, you say:
>>
>>> But for me in a modern city, wifi is available 90% of the time during my
>>> life, that's enough, 10% is for resting.
>>
>> Wait a minute. Then you admit that you CANNOT find an open wifi point
>> anywhere you are.
>
> No, I claim I don't use WiFi while driving, or walking down the street,
> but 90% of the "time", I have full access to wifi.
>
>> Which is it? You can find an open wifi point anywhere, or you can't?
>
> You must be getting up in age? I suspect you are nearing 76 years old?
>
> I can find a wifi point anywhere I want, but since my life is well
> constructed, I don't need to "find" it, it's already everywhere I go 90%
> of the time, and 100% of the time when I "need it"...
>
> is that better for you... old man?
>
> -
My home phone is available 100% of he time I need to use it. And my work
phone is available 100% of the time I need to use it.
I don't use either of these when walking around or driving thus they are
available 100% of the time when I need to use them.
Why do you just give it up fanboy. Contrary to what you posted, they could
not sell enough iPhones at the original price point to make money, so they
cut the price. So much for your change the world theory. Now just shut up.
And yes, I am using Outlook and yes I am top posting. What are you gonna do,
fire me?
"Oxford" <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote in message
news:colalovesmacs-6C501D.18022206092007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net...
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
> > > biggest thing for me has been Google Maps and Mail... I live in a
large
> > > city so trying to find a location with an iPhone is dead simple saving
> > > me much time and gas. I have 8 email accounts and being able to check
> > > them anywhere, anytime is nice.
> >
> > Can't I do that with any mobile device?
>
> not at an acceptable level of quality.
>
> > Sure I can.
>
> and you have low standards, and think a "coupon" is the same as a
> "credit", oops, so you have low education as well.
>
> > The iPhone did not ADD $500 worth of productivity to what I can do today
> > with regard to getting mail.
>
> then you aren't a very important person.
I don't know, I just use my Samsung SMART PHONE with EVDO and watch my
Slingbox from anywhere for free, and of course it is a PocketPC and can run
all sorts of software and connect via BlueTooth and it has an SD slot and
USB and why does anyone bother with this TROLL??
"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99A2B37BFF882noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
> Steve Mackay <steve_mackay@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:46def326$0$15407$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>
> >> Face it Steve, you got stuck with a sucky Nokia phone and are JEALOUS
> >> of iPhone users. You'll get one in time, don't fret!
> >
> > If I wanted an iPhone, I'd have one. It's too fragile, can't change
> > the battery myself, no GPS, No expense tracking, etc...
> >
> >
>
> Turning off the flamewar for a second.....
>
> I'm curious as to its MobiTV quality. I'm on Alltel EVDO with 45
> channels of MobiTV ($20/mo with unlimited data which also feeds the
> browser access $5.99/mo) I love the TV access with my little Moto E815
> on Alltel. Hell, it even works in the South Carolina boondocks with full
> EVDO!
>
> I stopped to see the iPhone after all the hype and watching some
> Californians camp out all night in line for a look at something they
> couldn't own. My compliments to the advertising staff at Apple for a job
> very well done, like the iPod, a mediocre music player. You're doing it
> right!
>
> The "line" at our ATT store lasted about an hour, so they told me, but I
> showed up at 10AM and noone was looking at the 3 demo units, and, of
> course, nothing was for sale with the "holdbacks" trying, in vain it
> seems, to hold the price to full retail. The ATT guy was very nice but
> refused, for some reason, to load MobiTV on a demo unit so I could see it
> play on the big screen. He, curiously, also had no movies or even
> trailers to show me, just the webpage any phone will render, even mine.
>
> Have any of you seen MobiTV from ATT on the iPhone? Does it play under
> OSX? I think ATT only lets you watch 6 channels and charges like hell
> for it, much more than $20/month I'm paying with unlimited data for it.
>
> I'd like a pocket TV/phone with that sized screen, instead of the tiny
> screen I'm watching, now....THAT part would be most interesting with a
> big MobiTV package and no restrictions.
>
> Larry
> --
> Search youtube for "Depleted Uranium"
> The ultimate dirty bomb......
AND, it is ILLEGAL to connect to someones router without permission.
"ed" <news@atwistedweb.com> wrote in message
news:1189093875.059824.168720@50g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
> On Sep 6, 6:48 am, ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <EkLDi.5492$5D.2...@fe099.usenetserver.com>,
> > Todd Allcock <eleccon...@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
> > > At 05 Sep 2007 19:33:37 -0700 ed wrote:
> >
> > > > that's... interesting... do you forward the calls from one to the
> > > > other when you're without one of them?
> >
> > > As Oxford has enlightened us in past threads, he doesn't use the
> > > phone in his iPhone(s.) His planet is blanketed in ubiquitous wi-fi,
> > > making cellular EDGE data unnecessary.
> >
> > You know, I have to say this appears to be my planet as well. Walking
> > around with a WiFi-enabled device on a regular basis has caused me to
> > realize that just about any random sidewalk location in Manhattan is
> > within range of five or six hotspots, one or two of which are usually
> > open.
> >
> > Sitting with a MacBook Pro in my bedroom, I see nine (9) access points
> > other than my own, two of which are open and have decent signals.
>
> open, as in it isn't broadcasting as requiring a key, or open as in
> you can connect to the internet?
>
> that's one thing i found when i was in manhattan a couple months ago-
> in LA, open spots tend to be OPEN (you can connect and hit the web)-
> in nyc, a lot of the 'open' spots only either let you access the
> router to hit a pay service (a la t-mobile hot spots), or you can't
> connect for some other reason (mac locked or whatever).
>
In article <4AKEi.79328$ax1.54399@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> AND, it is ILLEGAL to connect to someones router without permission.
Not in most jurisdictions.
--
"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
- George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006
"ZnU" <znu@fake.invalid> wrote in message
news:znu-BE945C.00554609092007@news.individual.net...
> In article <4AKEi.79328$ax1.54399@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>> AND, it is ILLEGAL to connect to someones router without permission.
>
> Not in most jurisdictions.
actually, case law seems to be leaning towards supporting this view...
On Sep 6, 11:27 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article <2MWdnTAfMdr2TH3bnZ2dnUVZ_vWtn...@comcast.com>,
>
>
>
> "Edwin" <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > "Alan Baker" <alangba...@telus.net> wrote in message
> >news:alangbaker-72896A.20433906092007@news.telus.net...
> > > In article <1189136375.954938.182...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups .com>,
> > > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > >> On Sep 4, 12:30 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > >> > In article <1188926548.938449.61...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.c om>,
>
> > >> > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > >> > > On Sep 4, 12:09 pm, Jim <j...@NOwwa.net> wrote:
> > >> > > > In article <1188923591.837895.170...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups. com>,
>
> > >> > > > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > >> > > > > On Sep 4, 11:25 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > >> > > > > > In article
> > >> > > > > > <1188922899.836476.91...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
>
> > >> > > > > > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > On Sep 4, 10:10 am, Oxford <colalovesm...@mac.com> wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > apple stock up 4.5 points on the news...
>
> > >> > > > > > > > -
>
> > >> > > > > > > > (Reuters) - Apple Inc's iPhone outsold all smartphones in
> > >> > > > > > > > the
> > >> > > > > > > > United
> > >> > > > > > > > States in July, its first full month on sale, accounting
> > >> > > > > > > > for
> > >> > > > > > > > 1.8
> > >> > > > > > > > percent
> > >> > > > > > > > of all U.S. mobile handset sales, research group iSuppli
> > >> > > > > > > > said
> > >> > > > > > > > on
> > >> > > > > > > > Tuesday.
>
> > >> > > > > > > [snip]
>
> > >> > > > > > > "The market researchers used a survey of 2 million people
> > >> > > > > > > which
> > >> > > > > > > estimated that about 1.8 percent of all cellphones sold in
> > >> > > > > > > the US
> > >> > > > > > > during July were iPhones, regardless of class."
>
> > >> > > > > > >http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/09/...sells.in.july/
>
> > >> > > > > > Yes, Edwin. 1.8% of *all* cell phones sold in the U.S. in July
> > >> > > > > > were
> > >> > > > > > iPhones. So?
>
> > >> > > > > No, it's an estimate based on a survey says that 1.8% of all cell
> > >> > > > > phone sales were iPhones, not actual sales figures.
>
> > >> > > > > > Pardon me: So what relevance do you think that fact has?
>
> > >> > > > > It did a good job of getting you to make yourself look stupid...
> > >> > > > > AGAIN!
>
> > >> > > > Do you even know how survey's are done and evaluated?
>
> > >> > > How does the answer to that question change the fact this is only an
> > >> > > estimate based on a survey, and not actual sales figures?
>
> > >> > That's it, Edwin: you hang on to your ludicrous claim that no iPhones
> > >> > were sold after the end of June just as long as you can!
>
> > >> You mistook your lie for an answer to my question.
>
> > > What lie?
>
> > Is your stupidity natural or willful?
>
> What lie?
On Sep 6, 11:36 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article <A5udncM0WpRYT33bnZ2dnUVZ_v-hn...@comcast.com>,
>
>
>
> "Edwin" <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > "Alan Baker" <alangba...@telus.net> wrote in message
> >news:alangbaker-078D78.21055406092007@news.telus.net...
> > > In article <1189136731.093120.156...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups. com>,
> > > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > >> On Sep 4, 3:21 pm, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
> > >> > In article <1188922899.836476.91...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
>
> > >> > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > >> > > On Sep 4, 10:10 am, Oxford <colalovesm...@mac.com> wrote:
> > >> > > > apple stock up 4.5 points on the news...
>
> > >> > > > -
>
> > >> > > > (Reuters) - Apple Inc's iPhone outsold all smartphones in the
> > >> > > > United
> > >> > > > States in July, its first full month on sale, accounting for 1.8
> > >> > > > percent
> > >> > > > of all U.S. mobile handset sales, research group iSuppli said on
> > >> > > > Tuesday.
>
> > >> > > [snip]
>
> > >> > > "The market researchers used a survey of 2 million people which
> > >> > > estimated that about 1.8 percent of all cellphones sold in the US
> > >> > > during July were iPhones, regardless of class."
>
> > >> > >http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/09/...sells.in.july/
>
> > >> > Note "smartphone" in the subject.
>
> > >> Note how it doesn't appear in the paragraph above the URL.
>
> > > Which you claim signifies, what, precisely?
>
> > That your reading skills don't match those of the average third grader.
>
> So you don't know what you were trying to say.
Your poor reading skills are once again your undoing.
>This hardly comes as a surprise.
Your stupidity is no surprise to anybody after all the times you've
displayed it in this NG.
> In news:colalovesmacs-AF5270.14405408092007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net,
> Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> typed:
> > "IMHO IIRC" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.NOSPAM> wrote:
> >
> >> I have Used OLD technology for 10 years
> >
> > yes, and you just posted this with Microsoft Outlook Express...
> >
> > very OBSOLETE technology...
> >
> >> and just forward my home phone to my
> >> cell - when it rings I talk to who is calling.
> >
> > yeah, guess that makes sense... if your computer doesn't work with
> > modern software like Phlink.
> >
> > http://www.ovolab.com/phlink/index.php
> >
> >> Don't need a computer to carry around, dont need Ovolab's Phlink, don't
> >> need Skype (What did you do before Skype?), and don't need to find a
> >> WiFi hotspot and stay connected to it - I just move around for miles and
> >> miles and stay connected.
> >
> > yeah, but I don't like to pay for something that is already free, i
> > guess we differ on that. I like to use modern technology to free me from
> > old fashioned expenses... you like to pay, and pay, and pay, without
> > questioning "why".
> >
> > -
> Why did you decide to pay $599 for an iPhone AND pay ATT for cell phone
> service.
Actually there are. It is theft of services. And there is a prosecution for
it right now in Wisconsin.
"none" <a@bc.com> wrote in message
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> "Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > AND, it is ILLEGAL to connect to someones router without permission.
>
> no it's not, there are no provisions in the law for that. sorry!
> > Why did you decide to pay $599 for an iPhone AND pay ATT for cell phone
> > service.
>
> NINE times...
no i just have 2 phones, 1 activation, the other 7 were sold to clients,
so they are under their names, not mine. but i do get the $100 back
since I bought them
Bruce Markowitz wrote:
> Actually there are. It is theft of services. And there is a prosecution for
> it right now in Wisconsin.
> "none" <a@bc.com> wrote in message
> news:a-917ED4.22484708092007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net...
>> "Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> AND, it is ILLEGAL to connect to someones router without permission.
>> no it's not, there are no provisions in the law for that. sorry!
It varies by state and by interpretation. Intentionally connecting to
someone's router without permission is illegal, but the question is what
constitutes intent and what constitutes permission. Many businesses and
governments provide Wi-Fi and implicitly or explicitly grant permission
to use their networks, but that didn't stop the prosecution of that guy
who sat in his car outside a coffee house using their WiFi connection.
The owner of the coffee house didn't even care, but some cop with
nothing else to do took it upon himself to do some enforcement.
A lot of unauthorized connections are unintentional as well. I have my
own WiFi at home, but sometimes my computer will connect to the local
free WiFI (MetroFi) or to a neighbor's unsecured network.
Many individuals intentionally leave their network unsecured, trying to
create more free WiFi spots. However there is no way to know if an
unsecured network is because someone doesn't know how or doesn't want to
bother to set up secure access, or if it's because they are okay with
others using their network.
> notinuse2@btinternet.com (Peter Hayes) wrote:
>
> > > Why did you decide to pay $599 for an iPhone AND pay ATT for cell phone
> > > service.
> >
> > NINE times...
>
> no i just have 2 phones, 1 activation, the other 7 were sold to clients,
> so they are under their names, not mine. but i do get the $100 back
> since I bought them
And you're not passing this saving along to your clients?
When they realise you've short changed them they'll be ex-clients...
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