Interesting news on the latest phones and their operating systems. I have
no particular axe to grind or money
to make , but the news for Nokia is not good. My N95 is working ok but is
of course getting rather old and overdue
replacement. Not sure where I'm going to go at the moment.
Asking people who have the later phones on how they work comes up with a
negative almost every time. The
operating system is slow, buggy and often difficult to update with out a
major blood vessel bursting. And the phones
seem to have been rushed out before they have been properly tested (just
like my N95 when I got it)
My son got an HTC Desire 1 week ago replacing his N95. He's found just a
couple of things that seem a bit more
difficult to sort than his Nokia, but the rest is he says "excellent"
My question is where is Nokia is all this. The R&D seems to have gone to
sleep & their testing systems don't seem to
exist. I'm hoping that they get their act together soon, before these other
phones blow them out of the water completely.
From my business experience this looks like a management/owner problem, as
they sit on their laurels and took the high
profits in the early years, and put little back in. Anyone have a better
understanding of what seems to have gone wrong
with them?
Nokia’s first touch screen phone was the Nokia 7710, launched in 2004.
In May 2007, Nokia’s 1100 handset was the best-selling mobile phone of
all time and the world’s top-selling consumer electronics product.
The Nokia N70, N90 and N91 were released simultaneously and were the
first Nseries devices ever launched. So I think its the issue of
mismanagement that will be resolve very soon.
Malcolm Austin;485336 Wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/5tm2fuy
>
> Interesting news on the latest phones and their operating systems. I
> have
> no particular axe to grind or money
> to make , but the news for Nokia is not good. My N95 is working ok but
> is
> of course getting rather old and overdue
> replacement. Not sure where I'm going to go at the moment.
>
> Asking people who have the later phones on how they work comes up with a
>
> negative almost every time. The
> operating system is slow, buggy and often difficult to update with out a
>
> major blood vessel bursting. And the phones
> seem to have been rushed out before they have been properly tested (just
>
> like my N95 when I got it)
>
> My son got an HTC Desire 1 week ago replacing his N95. He's found just
> a
> couple of things that seem a bit more
> difficult to sort than his Nokia, but the rest is he says "excellent"
>
> My question is where is Nokia is all this. The R&D seems to have gone
> to
> sleep & their testing systems don't seem to
> exist. I'm hoping that they get their act together soon, before these
> other
> phones blow them out of the water completely.
>
> From my business experience this looks like a management/owner problem,
> as
> they sit on their laurels and took the high
> profits in the early years, and put little back in. Anyone have a
> better
> understanding of what seems to have gone wrong
> with them?
>
>
> Malc....
Yes these phones may well have been released some years ago. But I would
guess that
like my N95 (which I am comfortable with btw) they were full of bugs in the
software.
The design of the battery cover on the N95 is a total disaster, mine ends up
with sticky
tape to keep it one now as the clips are so weak. The reports from users of
the latest
Nokia phones have reported real frustration with poor software, enough to
make an instant
upgrade out of the box being required.
These points show that Nokia are not testing things at all before shipping.
That's a shame as
I for one would be more than happy to stay with a Nokia, IF they are up to
the latest standards.
Again, just what are they doing in corporate HQ now-a-days?
"kalsoom" <kalsoom.78f0298@mobile-forum.co.uk> wrote in message
news:kalsoom.78f0298@mobile-forum.co.uk...
>
> Nokia's first touch screen phone was the Nokia 7710, launched in 2004.
> In May 2007, Nokia's 1100 handset was the best-selling mobile phone of
> all time and the world's top-selling consumer electronics product.
> The Nokia N70, N90 and N91 were released simultaneously and were the
> first Nseries devices ever launched. So I think its the issue of
> mismanagement that will be resolve very soon.
> Malcolm Austin;485336 Wrote:
>> http://tinyurl.com/5tm2fuy
>>
>> Interesting news on the latest phones and their operating systems. I
>> have
>> no particular axe to grind or money
>> to make , but the news for Nokia is not good. My N95 is working ok but
>> is
>> of course getting rather old and overdue
>> replacement. Not sure where I'm going to go at the moment.
>>
>> Asking people who have the later phones on how they work comes up with a
>>
>> negative almost every time. The
>> operating system is slow, buggy and often difficult to update with out a
>>
>> major blood vessel bursting. And the phones
>> seem to have been rushed out before they have been properly tested (just
>>
>> like my N95 when I got it)
>>
>> My son got an HTC Desire 1 week ago replacing his N95. He's found just
>> a
>> couple of things that seem a bit more
>> difficult to sort than his Nokia, but the rest is he says "excellent"
>>
>> My question is where is Nokia is all this. The R&D seems to have gone
>> to
>> sleep & their testing systems don't seem to
>> exist. I'm hoping that they get their act together soon, before these
>> other
>> phones blow them out of the water completely.
>>
>> From my business experience this looks like a management/owner problem,
>> as
>> they sit on their laurels and took the high
>> profits in the early years, and put little back in. Anyone have a
>> better
>> understanding of what seems to have gone wrong
>> with them?
>>
>>
>> Malc....
>
>
>
>
> --
> kalsoom
Malcolm Austin wrote:
> Yes these phones may well have been released some years ago. But I would
> guess that
> like my N95 (which I am comfortable with btw) they were full of bugs in the
> software.
>
> The design of the battery cover on the N95 is a total disaster, mine ends up
> with sticky
> tape to keep it one now as the clips are so weak. The reports from users of
> the latest
> Nokia phones have reported real frustration with poor software, enough to
> make an instant
> upgrade out of the box being required.
>
> These points show that Nokia are not testing things at all before shipping.
> That's a shame as
> I for one would be more than happy to stay with a Nokia, IF they are up to
> the latest standards.
>
> Again, just what are they doing in corporate HQ now-a-days?
>
>
>
>
> "kalsoom"<kalsoom.78f0298@mobile-forum.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:kalsoom.78f0298@mobile-forum.co.uk...
>>
>> Nokia's first touch screen phone was the Nokia 7710, launched in 2004.
>> In May 2007, Nokia's 1100 handset was the best-selling mobile phone of
>> all time and the world's top-selling consumer electronics product.
>> The Nokia N70, N90 and N91 were released simultaneously and were the
>> first Nseries devices ever launched. So I think its the issue of
>> mismanagement that will be resolve very soon.
>> Malcolm Austin;485336 Wrote:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/5tm2fuy
>>>
>>> Interesting news on the latest phones and their operating systems. I
>>> have
>>> no particular axe to grind or money
>>> to make , but the news for Nokia is not good. My N95 is working ok but
>>> is
>>> of course getting rather old and overdue
>>> replacement. Not sure where I'm going to go at the moment.
>>>
>>> Asking people who have the later phones on how they work comes up with a
>>>
>>> negative almost every time. The
>>> operating system is slow, buggy and often difficult to update with out a
>>>
>>> major blood vessel bursting. And the phones
>>> seem to have been rushed out before they have been properly tested (just
>>>
>>> like my N95 when I got it)
>>>
>>> My son got an HTC Desire 1 week ago replacing his N95. He's found just
>>> a
>>> couple of things that seem a bit more
>>> difficult to sort than his Nokia, but the rest is he says "excellent"
>>>
>>> My question is where is Nokia is all this. The R&D seems to have gone
>>> to
>>> sleep& their testing systems don't seem to
>>> exist. I'm hoping that they get their act together soon, before these
>>> other
>>> phones blow them out of the water completely.
>>>
>>> From my business experience this looks like a management/owner problem,
>>> as
>>> they sit on their laurels and took the high
>>> profits in the early years, and put little back in. Anyone have a
>>> better
>>> understanding of what seems to have gone wrong
>>> with them?
>>>
>>>
>>> Malc....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> kalsoom
>
>
Their OS is definitely not as buggy as you make it out to be. Your N95's
over 3 years old at least, I'd put down the battery cover issue to
regular wear and tear.
Android currently has a ghastly bug where SMSes get sent to the wrong
recipient, not to mention battery life issues and incompatibility of
games and certain applications across handsets. Some of the Android
handsets are stuck on older versions and the manufacturers don't release
updates. Further, there are security exploits and malicious apps - you
won't find any of those on Nokia/Symbian.(not on anything running S60
3rd edition or newer, which is what your N95 runs)
Nokia on the other hand has supported certain phones for well over 2
years with firmware updates that have both fixes and enhancements.
I had an N82 for 2 and a half years - excellent build quality, robust OS
and unmatched camera..till I traded it in for an N8. The new Symbian^3
OS runs very smoothly and the phone has a 12mp camera, xenon flash and
HDMI output among other features.
Speaking of R&D, they're launching a new OS called Meego in
collaboration with Intel, phones will be available later this year.
They support applications using Qt, which will run on both older Symbian
phones as well as Meego.
-------------------------------------
"Where time or intelligence are lacking, a goto may do the job."
-- M.E. Hopkins, "A Case for the GOTO," 1972.
-------------------------------------
"Rex" <rexdudeREMOVEANDREVERSEDOMAIN@liam.ur> wrote in message
news:iidrjg$u91$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Malcolm Austin wrote:
>> Yes these phones may well have been released some years ago. But I would
>> guess that
>> like my N95 (which I am comfortable with btw) they were full of bugs in
>> the
>> software.
>>
>> The design of the battery cover on the N95 is a total disaster, mine ends
>> up
>> with sticky
>> tape to keep it one now as the clips are so weak. The reports from users
>> of
>> the latest
>> Nokia phones have reported real frustration with poor software, enough to
>> make an instant
>> upgrade out of the box being required.
>>
>> These points show that Nokia are not testing things at all before
>> shipping.
>> That's a shame as
>> I for one would be more than happy to stay with a Nokia, IF they are up
>> to
>> the latest standards.
>>
>> Again, just what are they doing in corporate HQ now-a-days?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "kalsoom"<kalsoom.78f0298@mobile-forum.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:kalsoom.78f0298@mobile-forum.co.uk...
>>>
>>> Nokia's first touch screen phone was the Nokia 7710, launched in 2004.
>>> In May 2007, Nokia's 1100 handset was the best-selling mobile phone of
>>> all time and the world's top-selling consumer electronics product.
>>> The Nokia N70, N90 and N91 were released simultaneously and were the
>>> first Nseries devices ever launched. So I think its the issue of
>>> mismanagement that will be resolve very soon.
>>> Malcolm Austin;485336 Wrote:
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/5tm2fuy
>>>>
>>>> Interesting news on the latest phones and their operating systems. I
>>>> have
>>>> no particular axe to grind or money
>>>> to make , but the news for Nokia is not good. My N95 is working ok but
>>>> is
>>>> of course getting rather old and overdue
>>>> replacement. Not sure where I'm going to go at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> Asking people who have the later phones on how they work comes up with
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>> negative almost every time. The
>>>> operating system is slow, buggy and often difficult to update with out
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>> major blood vessel bursting. And the phones
>>>> seem to have been rushed out before they have been properly tested
>>>> (just
>>>>
>>>> like my N95 when I got it)
>>>>
>>>> My son got an HTC Desire 1 week ago replacing his N95. He's found just
>>>> a
>>>> couple of things that seem a bit more
>>>> difficult to sort than his Nokia, but the rest is he says "excellent"
>>>>
>>>> My question is where is Nokia is all this. The R&D seems to have gone
>>>> to
>>>> sleep& their testing systems don't seem to
>>>> exist. I'm hoping that they get their act together soon, before these
>>>> other
>>>> phones blow them out of the water completely.
>>>>
>>>> From my business experience this looks like a management/owner
>>>> problem,
>>>> as
>>>> they sit on their laurels and took the high
>>>> profits in the early years, and put little back in. Anyone have a
>>>> better
>>>> understanding of what seems to have gone wrong
>>>> with them?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Malc....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> kalsoom
>>
>>
>
> Their OS is definitely not as buggy as you make it out to be. Your N95's
> over 3 years old at least, I'd put down the battery cover issue to regular
> wear and tear.
> Android currently has a ghastly bug where SMSes get sent to the wrong
> recipient, not to mention battery life issues and incompatibility of games
> and certain applications across handsets. Some of the Android handsets are
> stuck on older versions and the manufacturers don't release updates.
> Further, there are security exploits and malicious apps - you won't find
> any of those on Nokia/Symbian.(not on anything running S60 3rd edition or
> newer, which is what your N95 runs)
>
> Nokia on the other hand has supported certain phones for well over 2 years
> with firmware updates that have both fixes and enhancements.
>
> I had an N82 for 2 and a half years - excellent build quality, robust OS
> and unmatched camera..till I traded it in for an N8. The new Symbian^3 OS
> runs very smoothly and the phone has a 12mp camera, xenon flash and HDMI
> output among other features.
>
> Speaking of R&D, they're launching a new OS called Meego in collaboration
> with Intel, phones will be available later this year.
> They support applications using Qt, which will run on both older Symbian
> phones as well as Meego.
>
> -------------------------------------
> "Where time or intelligence are lacking, a goto may do the job."
> -- M.E. Hopkins, "A Case for the GOTO," 1972.
> -------------------------------------
Hi Rex,
thanks for the informative and reasonable response.
You obviously have a greater contact with the phones than
mere users like myself.
The bug level in the N95 when it arrived made it useless, and an upgrade was
not
an easy thing to achieve in the warmth of my own home. I was surprised that
the
phone was sent out with such poor software at that time, and yes it is at
least 3
years old.
This same complaint seems to be levelled at newer Nokia phones, which is a
real turn
off for taking up newer phones. The fact that competitors can also make the
same
mistakes helps, but at the sharp end of use it leaves a lot to be desired.
One wonders if these phones are sent out to real world users for a few
months before
sale. Using Nokia people who probably know the systems well is not the
route to good
performance!
One point I would totally disagree with you is the battery cover on the N95.
The 4 lugs
that hold it on are too thin to have any strength, just one drop from a few
cm in the right
way will break all the lugs off immediately. To my mind that sort of design
for a mobile
phone that will get handled badly at times, is poor.
The 5 mp camera on the N95 is very good and I use it a lot on my business
trips. The
video is also useful and I have lots of videos when flying my glider at
height which gives
lasting memories. Going to 12 mp may be useful although I would expect the
size of
the lens to limit things a bit (in line with all other m/phone camera's of
course)
Malcolm Austin wrote:
> You obviously have a greater contact with the phones than
> mere users like myself.
I didn't directly own an N95, true (I waited for the N82 with the
usual form factor and Xenon flash) but my friend did and he (along with
millions of others) was quite happy with it.
> The bug level in the N95 when it arrived made it useless, and an upgrade was
> not
> an easy thing to achieve in the warmth of my own home. I was surprised that
> the
> phone was sent out with such poor software at that time, and yes it is at
> least 3
> years old.
I don't know what bugs you refer to on the N95, seeing as it was
excellently received (compared to the disastrous launchtime bugs of the
N97), perhaps you wound up with a defective handset. No one is otherwise
complaining about the quality of the phone or its OS, it was quite a
landmark device for its time.
It looks like you ended up with a defective handset. These things
happen, if it really didn't work at all you should've got it replaced
while it was under warranty. It's quite a large jump to blame the whole
company for what was then a very successful and critically acclaimed
flagship device.
They even supported it for a long time, the last firmware update was
released sometime in 2009.
>
> This same complaint seems to be levelled at newer Nokia phones, which is a
> real turn
> off for taking up newer phones. The fact that competitors can also make the
> same
> mistakes helps, but at the sharp end of use it leaves a lot to be desired.
The iPhone 4 was defective by design - the antenna was on the outside
and it would drop signal if you held it in your hand. Steve Jobs'
response: "You're holding it wrong".
Android has tons of exploits and bugs, gobbles battery like nobody's
business and the SMS to wrong recipient bug that I mentioned previously.
Android manufacturers also are slow to provide updates and in some cases
their handsets are not upgradable at all.
Yet somehow Nokia/Symbian is painted out to be the loser, without one
concrete example of a bug. And no, not having a pretty interface does
not count as a bug.
> One point I would totally disagree with you is the battery cover on the N95.
> The 4 lugs
> that hold it on are too thin to have any strength, just one drop from a few
> cm in the right
> way will break all the lugs off immediately. To my mind that sort of design
> for a mobile
> phone that will get handled badly at times, is poor.
Can't comment on that. As again, my friend the N95 user had no
complaints so you might have received a faulty handset. Again it's
unfair to extrapolate to the N95 as a whole based on one data point.
>
> The 5 mp camera on the N95 is very good and I use it a lot on my business
> trips. The
> video is also useful and I have lots of videos when flying my glider at
> height which gives
> lasting memories. Going to 12 mp may be useful although I would expect the
> size of
> the lens to limit things a bit (in line with all other m/phone camera's of
> course)
>
> Malcolm...
Understand that the camera and video that you take for granted on your
N95 are far from perfect on other phones. No one else has Carl Zeiss
optics. N95 supported TV out and a host of other features 4 years ago,
that are making their way felt in iOS/Android land only now.
I have an N8, and the camera is just fantastic, and can give a DSLR a
run for its money (some site ran comparison photos between an N8 and a
Canon Eos DSLR). It has stereo microphones and noise cancellation so you
don't get the noise of the wind when recording outdoor video. And of
course it supports Dolby Digital Plus playback and can both
record/playback video in HD, which you can then watch on your TV using
the HDMI port built in.
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If in the last few years you haven't discarded a major opinion
or acquired a new one, check your pulse. You may be dead.
-- Gelet Burgess
-------------------------------------
Malcolm Austin wrote:
> Yes these phones may well have been released some years ago. But I would
> guess that
> like my N95 (which I am comfortable with btw) they were full of bugs in
> the
> software.
>
> The design of the battery cover on the N95 is a total disaster, mine ends
> up
> with sticky
> tape to keep it one now as the clips are so weak.
Ah, so it wasn`t me, I thought hat I pushed too hard, but others have the
same problems.
Indeed that backcover is way too flimsy, normally you wouldn`t notice but
because I had
two batteries(guess why ;o) ) with me I switched them regularly, and indeed
one of the
clippies broke off.
> The reports from users of
> the latest
> Nokia phones have reported real frustration with poor software, enough to
> make an instant
> upgrade out of the box being required.
>
> These points show that Nokia are not testing things at all before
> shipping.
> That's a shame as
> I for one would be more than happy to stay with a Nokia, IF they are up to
> the latest standards.
>
> Again, just what are they doing in corporate HQ now-a-days?
Ah well, my Xperia X10 is also nice, but again, no more android OS updates.
So basically in 1,5 years when I have to renew my contract, Sony ericsson
and
Nokia are last in list to look at. While it was the other way around before.
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